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Eldon Tyrell	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:18:00 - [1] CCP you are taking way too long to upgrade this very old rendering engine. I been playing off and on since 2003 and was reading up on it for years before its release so I know how old this engine really is. Now I read that the Directx10 upgrade could be over a year away. Even with the snazzy new textures and bump mapping that the DX10 upgrade will offer, I wonder if that's really enough to bring this game up to current industry standards. In any case I have run out of patience and have cancelled my accounts will keep them on ice for now. And walking around in stations in my avatar will not be bringing me back. It's time to overhaul this engine CCP or you will see your original core of players begin to fade away. Your user base will eventually begin to shrink as new more impressive online games begin to appear. upgrades that count: flexible interface:(declutter options etc) some form of in-flight physics (inertia modelling etc). Redo the net code to allow for more interactive combat. customizable sounds (selective)....some of the laser sounds in this game really get on my nerves after 3 years. Across the board use of shaders, advanced rendering techniques etc... I realize you have a lot of people playing this game with 4-5 year old systems that will scream bloody murder if you make a real upgrade but for the rest of us it's time for EVE 2. I made my vote by withdrawing my money support. Don't let the competition pass you by CCP.
Mineral Sales	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:19:00 - [2] Can I have your stuff?
Hypatia Iola Caldari Warhounds	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:23:00 - [3] meh honestly this is a good point,. but there is a lot more to a game than the UI. well most games at least, this game is kinda UI or bust.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:24:00 - [4] you wont be missed :P see ya
BlazeRage Caldari Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:26:00 - [5] theres more to EVE then its graphics m8, explore EVE some, find a niche to make it enjoyable and just be patient for the upgrade. The more you rush a game's development the worse off it turns out to be.
Princess Voodoo Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:30:00 - [6] Who is eve competing with? No one. Good bye.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Eldon Tyrell *customizable sounds (selective)....some of the laser sounds in this game really get on my nerves after 3 years. You know what bugs my ears? When people whine and whine about this and that. It just really grinds my gears. Although I do agree, graphical update would be damn nice, getting fairly tired of the same old graphical bugs after so long. -----
FlameWrath	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:37:00 - [8] Edited by: FlameWrath on 11/03/2007 03:33:59 Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Eldon Tyrell *customizable sounds (selective)....some of the laser sounds in this game really get on my nerves after 3 years. You know what bugs my ears? When people whine and whine about this and that. It just really grinds my gears. Although I do agree, graphical update would be damn nice, getting fairly tired of the same old graphical bugs after so long. i just hope my graphics card can handle the new graphics without a meltdown lol (damn alt BlazeRage btw)
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:44:00 - [9] 2 things - First of all, I think that these sort of threads are supposed to be posted in the off topic forum (out of pod). The reason for this? Nobody in this forum really cares, unless you are SirMolle, Seleene, Dark Shikari, Innonimate Nightmare, or some other EVE celebrity. Second, can I have your stuff? I accept ISK donations and private contracts.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:46:00 - [10] I was under the impression that two graphics updates were in the making. One of them being the DX10/Vista upgrade which is a more than a year off, but the DX9/WinXP update was coming during 2007. The half-dozen or so ship/station models they've shown so far are pretty freakin nice, that's for sure.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:46:00 - [11] Cya. Stop moaning. Nobody likes you anyway. Outbreak Killboard
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:46:00 - [12] So.... something like THIS? ***
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:48:00 - [13] He'll probably come back... unless he finds wow... EvE has some **** points but we still love it, even with all our whinging.
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:54:00 - [14] fleet warfare, pos, outposts, and cap ships... need changes. Battleship class and lower is really great balance. But the cap ships are too easy to get now, especially with so many titans which makes fighting retarded. There needs to be a change in the game, its at the point where you cant make anything more powerful than a titan . Maybe just make cap ships way more expensive, and allow the ability to blow up outposts.. that way huge alliance like bob cant just sit around wait for someone to take over a system then take back their outposts. There will actually be losses other than ships if you allow outposts to be blown up. people dont really care to lose an outpost cause you can just recapture it later. anyhow cap ships, pos, and outposts really need a tune up -- would liek to see some drastic changes, battleship class ships and lower are awesome though
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:57:00 - [15] I've never seen this particular whine on the Eve-O fora. Appears in reviews of sequels a lot. Eve was a great game. Certain aspects which were great have remained unchanged. These aspects are now bad for no apparent reason. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the core playerbase are the one group who aren't going to leave over this, because they play because they like Eve not because they like the latest greatest game which, for a period of time, happens to be Eve. It's people like you, who just want shiny new graphics and gameplay ever five minutes, who will leave. And good riddance. Many great series of games have died trying to continually change to appease the short attention span of the masses, rather than staying true to the original core idea. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:02:00 - [16] I find stuff like this baffling. The one thing Eve does is look good. There are problems in Eve and around Eve -- but the way it looks isn't particularly one of them. So, I guess see you around. Or not. Whatever.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:05:00 - [17] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/03/2007 04:01:44 Originally by: Taedrin 2 things - First of all, I think that these sort of threads are supposed to be posted in the off topic forum (out of pod). The reason for this? Nobody in this forum really cares, unless you are SirMolle, Seleene, Dark Shikari, Innonimate Nightmare, or some other EVE celebrity. IBDS... oh wait! Seriously though, you're complaining about the graphics? EVE's are still quite good... better than most modern MMORPGs by a long shot. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Eldon Tyrell CCP you are taking way too long to upgrade this very old rendering engine. I been playing off and on since 2003 and was reading up on it for years before its release so I know how old this engine really is. Now I read that the Directx10 upgrade could be over a year away. Even with the snazzy new textures and bump mapping that the DX10 upgrade will offer, I wonder if that's really enough to bring this game up to current industry standards. In any case I have run out of patience and have cancelled my accounts will keep them on ice for now. And walking around in stations in my avatar will not be bringing me back. It's time to overhaul this engine CCP or you will see your original core of players begin to fade away. Your user base will eventually begin to shrink as new more impressive online games begin to appear. upgrades that count: flexible interface:(declutter options etc) some form of in-flight physics (inertia modelling etc). Redo the net code to allow for more interactive combat. customizable sounds (selective)....some of the laser sounds in this game really get on my nerves after 3 years. Across the board use of shaders, advanced rendering techniques etc... I realize you have a lot of people playing this game with 4-5 year old systems that will scream bloody murder if you make a real upgrade but for the rest of us it's time for EVE 2. I made my vote by withdrawing my money support. Don't let the competition pass you by CCP. So the 2 million + dollars they've already spent on redoing the oh, 300+ models in the game means they're not working hard enough to get the graphics engine update done. This is a complete revamp of the engine. It's being rebuilt from the ground up. It's not something you can slap together in a month or two. EVERYTHING we've seen of the new engine looks amazing and in most cases should run a hell of a lot better than currently because it's actually going to USE the hardware available to it, instead of mostly relying on the CPU. Also they've said they've hired someone to redo the sound engine, which should help out a hell of a lot as well. God I **en hate arm-chair developers. Originally by:** Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
Luc Guerrier Aliastra	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Taedrin ...Nobody in this forum really cares, unless you are SirMolle, Seleene, Dark Shikari, Innonimate Nightmare, or some other EVE celebrity. Even then I wouldn't give a ****.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:23:00 - [20] graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. -----
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Out of the two, his is the more correct way of putting it. I would actually say that graphics age, gameplay lasts forever. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Imas Pi	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:59:00 - [23] to OP: LOL
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 05:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Out of the two, his is the more correct way of putting it. I would actually say that graphics age, gameplay lasts forever. I think the words you're looking for are "slightly less wrong." Neither expression is correct. Graphics are a direct part of gameplay, the same way camera control and character interaction would be, since they directly effect your gameplay experience. -----
Rick Thwaites A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.11 05:17:00 - [25] To OP, people used to play text-based MUDs. Next, if you are leaving because of the graphics, leave by all means. Because you don't belong then. If you can't see the in depth parts of this game, good riddance. Even the roid suckers have fun, with graphics as they are (I think they are on drugs, myself...). Go try WoW, I heard their graphics are the pizzown, or maybe Everquest, Final Fantasy (insert number). Because their graphics are clearly better than EvE's. --
Jekaterine Gallente Virtucon	Posted - 2007.03.11 05:34:00 - [26] Someone else has said it but it's good enough to say again. How come the only people posting about quitting seem to have at least 3 accounts ? Either way good luck to you and I hope you find a game that suits you better. -------------- I can love my fellow man but I'm damned if I love yours.
T'Laar Bok Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.11 06:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Eldon Tyrell ... have cancelled my accounts ... CCP needs to introduce 6 month non-refundable pre-cancelled accounts as a convenient option for people to express their displeasure.
Eeyore Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.11 06:38:00 - [28] Eldon Tyrell, bye .... ! Hope we will not see you again, whiners are .... well not pleasant ppl. I've been waiting for few years for openGL of some sort ... not gonna happen ..... well .. maybe openAL for the sound .... nope .... DX10, who cares about that sh1t? How many of you have the systems ready for vista? How many of you want M$ spyware on your systems which come with vista? How many of you want DRM ? I don't want any of that sh1t and i can deal with somewhat nice but old and slow graphic engine, I can deal playing without sound, cause there is just nothing better. Oh and walking in stations .... if IF they'll make it possible to shoot ppl in station , imagine how many more customers they will get from those FPS fans ..... :)) ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.03.11 06:49:00 - [29] Wait, you're leaving because they're taking too long to upgrade the graphics!? Um.......what the hell? ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.11 06:50:00 - [30] Graphics are not important. The UI is though, as is gameplay, and those two need fixing. Can I have the stuff from one of your other accounts? Like numbers 2-3? - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Ranita Drell	Posted - 2007.03.11 07:02:00 - [31] Quote: Graphics are not important. Agreed. Well, sort of agreed. Quote: The UI is though, as is gameplay, and those two need fixing. I don't feel qualified to comment much on the gameplay, but the UI could indeed use a lot of improvement. New textures and models are nice and I look forward to them, but what I really want is a way of controlling drones and my ship that isn't so mouse-intensive, more customization options, etc.
Bluestealth Minmatar Star Scream Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.11 07:17:00 - [32] Graphics matter when I am playing a game (made) in 2007 that looks like its textures were from 1992... Eve has made incremental changes over the years to improve its graphics, it looks a lot better then beta imho. They are also well underway with a big project to catch them up completely with modern games. Gameplay is FAR and away more important then graphics in my mind. Graphics only matter when they interfere with gameplay. In my case it would take a very long time for Eve's graphics to interfere with my gameplay, for you apparently not. I myself enjoy firing up some VERY old games from time to time, because I love the game, I could care less about graphics. The best example I can give of this would be system shock 2, where fans made updated textures to make the game "more enjoyable", however they did this because it is a great game.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:49:00 - [33] I've found that content is a lot more important than graphics. UI is important as well. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:56:00 - [34] Of all the reasons to quit, this is actually one of the ones I wouldn't think of. 10/10 for originality. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:58:00 - [35] yet eve still wins awards for its graphics? ------------
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.03.11 10:06:00 - [36] Originally by: sakana yet eve still wins awards for its graphics? They would win awards for the lag if they advertised in the right places. I'd appreciate a better UI myself, maybe if EVE were up to today's standards we would also get new players. I'm a bit tired of the bitterness and hatred the mindless addicts here on EVE-O are spreading ("STFU", "go away, noone likes you", "noone cares about your whining" etc. etc.).
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.11 10:10:00 - [37] I was wondering why CCP were even bothering with new graphics tbh. I've played Eve since release and I've yet even to set it to high detail mode other then to take a short look at some structures. If you play or leave eve because of graphics then I believe you should have left ages ago already because of not seeing the massively more important appeal of its gameplay. [center] Old blog
Sensor Error 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.11 10:15:00 - [38] 1) The graphics update is OPTIONAL. You can't have eye watering OMFG IT'S BEAUTIFUL graphics in an MMO... 2) Why do people who quit always have multiple accounts? Someone pointed this out in another thread, and it's bloody true! 3) Can I have your stuff? RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.03.11 10:18:00 - [39] Gameplay > Eye candy. The "Ooo Ah" factor graphics bring to the overall experience is not that lasting and do more to attract new players than keep older ones. CCP could make EVE CGI movie quality and after a month or so, once the novelty wore off, people would be back to complaining about logoffskis or what have you. Sexy graphics are like a one night stand. Can be a fun little ride, but hardly determines the success of the long term relationship. ------------------- Say What?
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.11 10:18:00 - [40] I'll just be happy when CCP finaly understands what a graphics card is. -------------------------------------------- Welcome to the best slideshow on Earth!
Galifardeua Gallente Completament Tarats	Posted - 2007.03.11 11:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Out of the two, his is the more correct way of putting it. I would actually say that graphics age, gameplay lasts forever. I think the words you're looking for are "slightly less wrong." Neither expression is correct. Graphics are a direct part of gameplay, the same way camera control and character interaction would be, since they directly effect your gameplay experience. Nah, He is right, graphics are not important, gameplay is. Of course user interface is important, but that resides more in the gameplay section than the graphics one. For example check ADOM or any other good roguelike. I don't think you'll even call them graphical, but they are good and have a cult-like following. Have fun.
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.11 11:55:00 - [42] Awwwww RUN TO MUMMY AND OCMPLAIN No on wants poeple like u in this game, CCP isnt here to please u, get used to it can i hav eur stuff?
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.03.11 11:58:00 - [43] To the OP. Can I have your stuff? And please tell me which MMORPG out there looks better than Eve?
Daemon Jax Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:02:00 - [44] I adjusted my gamma, brightness, and contrast using ATI Tray Tools... it was kinda like a miniature graphics update for me :D Eve still looks sexy to me... Maybe not as eye candy as it did back in 2003, but it still looks really good to me. *I made the above post with the full understanding that I would probably be flamed for my opinions*
SPIONKOP Caldari Under The Edge	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:05:00 - [45] So Graphics are more important than gameplay, I think not. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to the lastest Dual Core CPU's with twin graphics cards and the lastest OS. I think most people would rather CCP invest in fixing bugs, performance and other issues. Sure a nice looking game adds to the overall gaming experiance but not worth quiting over. Good look in finding a game that looks better than Eve. Maybe you should concentrate on Single player FPS games.
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Sensor Error 1 2) Why do people who quit always have multiple accounts? Someone pointed this out in another thread, and it's bloody true! interesting, always fitting the topic dont you guys... last time it was "why do ppl quit always have only 1 account" make up your fucking mind? BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Linerra Tedora Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:10:00 - [47] 4-5 years old graphics engine... wow.. that's young still.. if a company had to upgrade every 2nd year, it would be all they could ever do... and not give new content then.. but have you even read the recent dev blogs.. they are working on a full graphics update... so stop whining and give me your stuff instead...
Lady Ganker	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:11:00 - [48] Not everyone has the lastest hardware and gfx card to get that all running, what you want. Besides I think eve is good and beautifull enough as it is now.
Lord Boxxer	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:16:00 - [49] great, less lag for us.
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. I don't see how EVE have a bad graphics. Old - yes. Bad looking - no. What really needs an improvement is a user interface, but it have nothing to do with graphics engine itself. Originally by: Haffrage Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Well you might consider playing a single player games if you value modern visual effects so much. This game is four years old, but check a Rookie help channel - the first impression of EVE graphics is still on a high level. Why would CCP need to bother about fixing something which is not broken?
heheheh Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:18:00 - [51] Edited by: heheheh on 11/03/2007 12:16:12 i dont aggree with the OP at all, the game is awsome, the graphics are ok. just because OP has a cutting edge system does not mean the graphics needed updating. MUMMY MUMMY I WANT IT NOW syndrome this is.
Lucas Kell	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:27:00 - [52] OP: I'm sure CCP are gonna cry themselves to sleep over your 3 accounts. If they upgraded to a DX10 engine i'm absolutely positive they'd lose a lot more players since a lot of people just simply aren't ready for that upgrade.
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Out of the two, his is the more correct way of putting it. I would actually say that graphics age, gameplay lasts forever. Starcraft ftw :)
Casseia Majumdar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:41:00 - [54] Of all the things to cancel an account for...
Aero089 Exiled.	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:56:00 - [55] No offense, but such a reason is beyond me, seriously. Eyecandy isn't what makes a game good. Eyecandy is nice for maybe the first week after being confronted with it, then you start to take it for granted and focus more on the gameplay. To tell you the truth, EVE is still one of the most beautiful games around and it still amazes all the friends that I show it to. You've gotten used to it, and that's how you start deeming it out-dated. I do agree with the netcode issue however, as I'm a close-up-and-personal fighter prefering speed and manoeuvring over a slow and sluggish tank. Unfortunately, nearly all my fights end up in a lagfest where it takes short of a minute to lock something not to mention activate modules on it, and that really blew it for me. I have moved out of 0.0 because of this, as fleet battles are common there now. I have thought about quitting EVE because of it too, lowsec skirmish warfare is EVE's last card for me. If that also turns out to be broken in certain ways, I'll be in the market for a new game. CCP, I really like your company. You have a great workspace culture that many companies can envy, but sometimes I feel that you're working on an already broken game engine that seriously needs replacing. I can recall that you have once said that the programming structure you work with is a very easy one, may this easy language also be the cause of all these problems due to possible inefficiency? Is it not time for a replacement? I'll be honest, it's a mind-boggling idea to convert EVE's current code to a new programming language and hell, I doubt it's even profitable. My mind is scattered between business and dreams at the moment. Your signature is too coo so we nerfed it.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.11 13:48:00 - [56] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/03/2007 13:44:51 Originally by: Eldon Tyrell CCP you are taking way too long to upgrade this very old rendering engine. I been playing off and on since 2003 and was reading up on it for years before its release so I know how old this engine really is. Now I read that the Directx10 upgrade could be over a year away. Even with the snazzy new textures and bump mapping that the DX10 upgrade will offer, I wonder if that's really enough to bring this game up to current industry standards. In any case I have run out of patience and have cancelled my accounts will keep them on ice for now. And walking around in stations in my avatar will not be bringing me back. It's time to overhaul this engine CCP or you will see your original core of players begin to fade away. Your user base will eventually begin to shrink as new more impressive online games begin to appear. upgrades that count: flexible interface:(declutter options etc) some form of in-flight physics (inertia modelling etc). Redo the net code to allow for more interactive combat. customizable sounds (selective)....some of the laser sounds in this game really get on my nerves after 3 years. Across the board use of shaders, advanced rendering techniques etc... I realize you have a lot of people playing this game with 4-5 year old systems that will scream bloody murder if you make a real upgrade but for the rest of us it's time for EVE 2. I made my vote by withdrawing my money support. Don't let the competition pass you by CCP. This is the most pathetic reason to leave a game over I have read for a good time now! Congratulation! Oh, BTW. You say you got 3 accounts. Please name your characters there. For some reason, everyone who is leaving and making posts about it have many accounts.... Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Fayn Trak Gallente Myridian Trading Systems	Posted - 2007.03.11 13:50:00 - [57] But...but it has been upgraded since 03, atleast once maybe twice.. More interactive combat would be nice though. I suppose we'll be seeing you in a few months. A herd of cattle A flock of geese A lot of isk remember when sigs were text?
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.11 13:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Aero089 I'll be honest, it's a mind-boggling idea to convert EVE's current code to a new programming language and hell, I doubt it's even profitable. It simply impossible. Much easier to make a EVE Online 2 then to rewrite...
Pantheon Lea Farmer Boyz	Posted - 2007.03.11 14:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Eldon Tyrell CCP you are taking way too long to upgrade this very old rendering engine. It's time to overhaul this engine CCP or you will see your original core of players begin to fade away. Your user base will eventually begin to shrink as new more impressive online games begin to appear. Sure, just like Quake I and Half-Life lost almost it's players when spiffy new graphics appeared in new games. It's about seeing trough what is 20 inch in front of your nose tip. Pantheon Lea
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.11 14:03:00 - [60] Quote: If you play or leave eve because of graphics then I believe you should have left ages ago already because of not seeing the massively more important appeal of its gameplay. Spot on tbh. To the OP, do you really think that the "veteran user base" has played for 4 years because of pretty ships? Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.11 14:14:00 - [61] Well I think the graphics are pretty good :) Better than elite... ______ Catch the Pigeon!
d026 WIPE INC	Posted - 2007.03.11 14:25:00 - [62] im only going to leave if they nerf missiles!!!!111 ohh fu they allready did -.-
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.03.11 15:53:00 - [63] Edited by: Galk on 11/03/2007 15:50:55 Originally by: Karunel To the OP, do you really think that the "veteran user base" has played for 4 years because of pretty ships? Indeed. In fact, seem to remember a thread from 2-3 years ago, guy puts the question... would you see away with graphical ships and such like.. as a posible way of improving playability in large group actions..(kinda like q3 did with the simple icons replacing models.. i think) just about every hardcore person in the thread... said yes to it. From that i think it's fair to say people are more interested in outcomes.. pretty much what keeps alot a people dialed in to eve.... never grows old: it's like rod said, doesn't matter what it looks like... all that matters is functionalilty to achieve. (aka win)... if thats your game... graphics don't realy matter ______
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:02:00 - [64] Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 11/03/2007 15:59:06 Graphics?! GRAPHICS?! THAT is your complaint!? What about the lag, the stutters on aggro, the inability to conduct large fleet battles, the (arguably) screwed up market/escrow system and the myriad other issues that need to be addressed before they worry about graphics or content? Of all the things... how dare you sir. How dare you.
NotASerpinator	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:07:00 - [65] i;d like to see the upgrade soon too. And thinking there are no other games in the making that cant challenge EVE is wrong. People notice how EVE is working,and they will try to make their own EVE. also thos 150k active accounts are a lot 150,000x14$ a month. Convert that into the icelandic currency and thats how much they make a month
Jacobz Caldari Tyrannia Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:14:00 - [66] If the OP got something right is when hes talking about Eve's UI. They really need to accept the modern standards of UI moding. I want DPS-Meters and others mods, I want a UI that I can fully customize etc. The hot key menu and setup needs to be completely redone to todays standards. One of the biggest flaws in Eve for me, compared to other MMO is that I can have a UI that is comfortable to play with. All I get is a UI built with a very clear "build-as-you-go" attitude, that makes it one of the worst on the market ergonomically.
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:26:00 - [67] Yes the dx10 update is a bit away, but be patient, dont moan and cancel your accounts because people who need to remodel....everything. Aren't going to your liking. Also the dx9 update isn't that far behinds. I would love to see you model dx10 objects faster. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:38:00 - [68] Eve has pretty nice graphics for an engine so old. Especialy considering some of the new games coming out like Vanguard that have a brand new engine and 15gb of models and textures which just looks like Luclin era EQ.
zeroh Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:55:00 - [69] Can i have your stuff snip, your sig exceeds 24000 bytes and lacks sufficient EVE content. -HornFrog
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:59:00 - [70] Edited by: DubanFP on 11/03/2007 16:55:43 There's more, MUCH MUCH MORE to a game then graphics. Graphics are icing on the cake. And if you quit a game because of graphics then why are you even playing in the first place? ______________________ Interested?
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.11 17:20:00 - [71] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 11/03/2007 17:17:00 I'm happy that I can still play EVE on my old PC. If a PC from 2006/2007 and a high speed connection was required, then it would cost CCP more old customers than they could gain new ones. MMORPGs are different. A lot less 1337 gamers, who pay 500 bucks for a new graphics card each year and things like that. Good that the DirectX-10 client is optional for some time, otherwise it would be suicide in my eyes for CCP, if they would force people to switch to it already this year.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 17:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Indiano Arko Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. I don't see how EVE have a bad graphics. Old - yes. Bad looking - no. What really needs an improvement is a user interface, but it have nothing to do with graphics engine itself. Originally by: Haffrage Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Well you might consider playing a single player games if you value modern visual effects so much. This game is four years old, but check a Rookie help channel - the first impression of EVE graphics is still on a high level. Why would CCP need to bother about fixing something which is not broken? And you might consider reading what you quote. Nowhere did I say graphics are more important than gameplay. I say they were part of gameplay, and whether just because people say they aren't doesn't mean they aren't, they're a main attraction to a large part of the eve community and CCP simply wouldn't be where it is if Eve didn't look so good. And while you're rereading it, show me where I said Eve's graphics are bad, because as far as I can tell I wasn't talking about Eve. On top of that, when one talks about graphics, they don't talk about just the graphics engine, otherwise they would have specified that, they talk about the graphics in their entirety. This includes the graphics user interface. The graphics are broken in so many ways, and that's the problem. The fact is, they shouldn't lag so much just to have basic things on, and you should be able to disable even more basic things. We can turn off turrets and effects like nos and webs, but what about missiles? Should turrets and effects even cause the immense lag they already do? How is that not broken? What about gang effects, the entire client locks up for everybody in your squad if somebody else in your squad enters or undocks in a system. Then there's sun occlusion, why won't it just stay hidden behind ALL of the planets? Why won't all planet rings stay hidden behind all the planets, instead of blinking in and out? Why do engine trails chop themselves up and shoot off in random directions when you zoom in and out? And don't even try to say the overview isn't totally ******. All of those are things that are broken, and AFAIK CCP IS fixing it. It's a retarded defense to say "don't fix it if it ain't broken" when it IS broken and CCP IS fixing it. (And don't gimme any of that "quit if you don't like it" crap, I play the game because it does keep me visually entertained and it does provide a gameplay challenge, if it didn't do either I'd probably be playing another game that did) -----
Blue Tsunami	Posted - 2007.03.11 17:55:00 - [73] Originally by: Princess Voodoo Who is eve competing with? No one. Actually Star Trek online is coming soon and it looks amazing. I would make the switch but I can't stand there concept of using crews for the larger sized ships, enabling players to only pilot ships like the Defiant and similarly sized ships.
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.11 19:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Haffrage And you might consider reading what you quote. Nowhere did I say graphics are more important than gameplay. You said you don't care about gameplay if graphics aren't best. Originally by: Haffrage I say they were part of gameplay, Graphics is graphics and gameplay is a gameplay. No need to mix them up. I still remember text based games in 80s which had a wonderful gameplay even without a graphics engine. Originally by: Haffrage and whether just because people say they aren't doesn't mean they aren't, they're a main attraction to a large part of the eve community and CCP simply wouldn't be where it is if Eve didn't look so good. You contradict here with yourself, don't you think so? Originally by: Haffrage And while you're rereading it, show me where I said Eve's graphics are bad, A simple conclusion after reading a topic subject and your phrase about I don't care about gameplay if there is no graphics. Basically, you have canceled your EVE accounts because of EVE graphics, but now you are saying that EVE graphics at least "aren't bad". Am I confusing something? Originally by: Haffrage because as far as I can tell I wasn't talking about Eve. Ehm... Now I am confused. What were you talking about if not about EVE? I honestly thought we are talking about EVE. Hmm? Originally by: Haffrage On top of that, when one talks about graphics, they don't talk about just the graphics engine, otherwise they would have specified that, they talk about the graphics in their entirety. This includes the graphics user interface. Ah, so we have a missunderstood terms. Sorry, "graphics" and "user interface" is a bit different things. You should not mix em up. User interface by far not only consist of graphic. User interface is how you interact with game. Originally by: Haffrage The graphics are broken in so many ways, and that's the problem. The fact is, they shouldn't lag so much just to have basic things on, and you should be able to disable even more basic things. We can turn off turrets and effects like nos and webs, but what about missiles? Should turrets and effects even cause the immense lag they already do? How is that not broken? It's not exactly a graphics engine problem. Just related to it. EVE is being heavy on CPU. Switching to DX10 it self won't fix this problem. Originally by: Haffrage What about gang effects, the entire client locks up for everybody in your squad if somebody else in your squad enters or undocks in a system. This is not a graphics problem. Originally by: Haffrage Then there's sun occlusion, why won't it just stay hidden behind ALL of the planets? Why won't all planet rings stay hidden behind all the planets, instead of blinking in and out? That's your graphical card problem with how it works with Z-buffer. Just a minor a bit annoying issue. Originally by: Haffrage Why do engine trails chop themselves up and shoot off in random directions when you zoom in and out? Confirmed, but hardly noticeable. Originally by: Haffrage And don't even try to say the overview isn't totally ****. Well, OV and graphics is not same. OV is a user interface part and I agree UI in EVE is not good. Even bad. But game is playable and gameplay it self overvalues UI issues. At least in my eyes. Originally by:** Haffrage All of those are things that are broken, and AFAIK CCP IS fixing it. It's a retarded defense to say "don't fix it if it ain't broken" when it IS broken and CCP IS fixing it. No need for swearing. I have partly missunderstood you.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 20:25:00 - [75] Originally by: Indiano Arko stuff Assumptions make an ass of you and me. But this time mostly you :X Quote: You said you don't care about gameplay if graphics aren't best. Way, way, way off, I don't even know why I'm reading the rest of your post after this. Wasn't talking about eve, was talking about games in general. If I was talking about Eve I would have said Eve in specific. But I didn't. You might as well be saying controls and gameplay are two different things. If graphics cause lag, graphics effect gameplay. If graphics inspire awe in you and you love it when ships explode, graphics are a part of gameplay for you. Etc. Graphics directly impact your perception of what is happening. Something tells me nowhere near as many people would be so into PVP if there weren't any explosions, bangs, shiny lights, and little drones zipping around. It's a major part of what gets the adrenaline going like it does in this game. It's the same thing that draws people to monster truck shows. It wouldn't be nearly the same game if we were all flying around in unshaded spheres and cubes with no visual effects whatsoever, and there is no argument with that. We also wouldn't have so many videos being put up and downloaded in a forum made just for that, we would have a story telling or combat log exchange forum. Switching to the new trinity graphics engine will switch the graphics engine from running primarily on the CPU to the GPU, which as far as I've ever known is the main problem with graphics lag. Eve runs almost entirely on the CPU. The gang issue is a graphics problem if it locks up the entire client, because it's the graphics that lock up ;p While the overview has little to nothing to do with graphics, it obstructs your view of the graphics if you, say, have a gang and you stretch it all the way to the bottom. Something tells me most of the overview problems will go away in the new client. You seem to claim I'm contradicting myself because, you even admit this, you're misinterpreting my posts. And yet all you've done here is contradict yourself by admitting eve is broken with X, Y, and Z, but still saying it's not broken. Way to go :P PS: Retarded isn't a swear word. **** is, though. -----

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