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Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Vincent R The doomsday devices are such an amazingly unbalanced concept. The only thing what's unbalanced is that a Titan shakes like a mininature model when ganked.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:26:00 - [32] My alliance has a Titan. I am still not for Titans. As someone a few posts up mentioned, what happens when we have 20 titans? Or 50? Fleet battles will be non-existant(if nodes ever allow fleet battles at all these days), and it will come down to those individuals who have played a lifetime, and their titans. It seriously removes the average EVE player from the battles, which is a shame, in my eyes. And you don't just gank a titan out of nowhere. I doubt a node could even hold the number of attackers and defenders, if a titan was to be attacked. It would be great if we could get past the "OMG, we just got DD'ed" and "LOL, you got pwned, stop whining" and actually had a sensible discussion on whether this is the way EVE is meant to go. 1-shot battles, and that's the end of an evening of PVP. There will only come more titans as time goes on. Is that the way CCP wants this game to evolve? Is it the way the players want it to evolve?
Last Mohicans	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:30:00 - [33] from actually LOOKING at the killboards (instead of just yapping about it) there were 2 fleet fights and one DD blast. You got pwnd own up to it. It's only a computer game.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Brokeback Jim Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Brokeback Jim Originally by: Dark Shikari Sounds like someone just got doomsdayed. Oh no! Someone forces you to use actual tactics rather than just sit 200 ships on a gate waiting for the enemies to warp in and die? If the game actually worked and there was no lag, that'd be possible. But it isn't. The game is sucking, now. I've gotten hit by a lagged-out Doomsday too. Welcome to the club Learn to read, Pro Forum dude. I never said you didn't get hit by it. I said lag is too prevalent to really work around it. Which you just added more evidence of.... What's funny is even the Star Wars Death Star was only killing one or two ships per shot.....:) Okay, first, I think DS was agreeing with you... Second, the Death Star could only kill a few ships at a time, but it could kill billions of people on a planet. Therefore my analogy still stands. QED. ----- Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows. Fixed it. Happy?
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Jex Jast Unfortunately, the entire way Eve is set up forbids some heroic mission to destroy one while it's being made... I can think of a couple of alliances who'd disagree with you on that point... ***
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:33:00 - [36] i fully endorse titans and doomsday devices. I hate big slow laggy blobs, it should be reduced into wrecks anyway. Actually i think it is rediculous to see all those pods after ddd so me thinks there should be something like backfire ot aftershock or residual radiation or whatever that would do enought damage to kill the pods also. However i can say that as i dont wanna go shoot anyposes or large blobs and such plus. If i wanted to dominate the universe in ibises id probably be against it. EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Jex Jast Unfortunately, the entire way Eve is set up forbids some heroic mission to destroy one while it's being made... I can think of a couple of alliances who'd disagree with you on that point... Pray tell. I'm not challenging you, I'm looking to gain advantage through knowledge. ----- Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows. Fixed it. Happy?
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:36:00 - [38] I think that the more titans that are launched, there will come a time when a titan loss is like a carrier loss, somewhat common yet rare enough to post of the forums. Titans are very skill intensive and expensive, meaning only a handful of alliance leaders can fly them, this means that if one was to target those leaders, force their titan to be online and flying from dt to dt allways having aggro, the persistant enemy can gank it when its pilot logs off due to lack of sleep/food. How does this change your tactics? Dont blob, run around in highly mobile squads and spread the battlefront out over many systems. I think there was a blog on blobing that stated that this is what they wanted. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Enkryption No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP. hahaha, I saw this complaint and there wasnt a post on the alliance forums, so i went surfing killboards, looking at the BoB killboard, i can see the goons didnt actually crash the node this time, so what you really meant to say was, DAMN CCP STOP MAKING THESE NODES SO DAMN UNCRASHABLE! oh and btw, looks like the DD only got 80 of you, so what happened to the other 200 that died?? I seriously cant believe BoB hasnt made a forum post saying OMGWTFPWN we killed 290 and lost 2. That has to be the most decisive fleet victory of the war so far, and the coalition make a battle report for we OMGWTFPWN a carrier!! Or is that just the different standards that we see on the forums between the coalition and BoB+friends?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:47:00 - [40] Titans will never become as common as dreads and carriers simply due to the fact that they take such vast amounts of resources to build. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Titans will never become as common as dreads and carriers simply due to the fact that they take such vast amounts of resources to build. Can I quote you on this in, oh, say, 6 months time? - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Lithalnas I think that the more titans that are launched, there will come a time when a titan loss is like a carrier loss, somewhat common yet rare enough to post of the forums. Titans are very skill intensive and expensive, meaning only a handful of alliance leaders can fly them, this means that if one was to target those leaders, force their titan to be online and flying from dt to dt allways having aggro, the persistant enemy can gank it when its pilot logs off due to lack of sleep/food. How does this change your tactics? Dont blob, run around in highly mobile squads and spread the battlefront out over many systems. I think there was a blog on blobing that stated that this is what they wanted. Seems like a good idea, if you've got enough people who have enough time to spend hours on end playing Eve. And by hours on end I really mean 10+, because I do play for hours, but anyway. The only issue I see here is if the pilot pulls a "Korean-gamers-who-drank-energy-drinks-for-a-week-to-avoid-sleep-then-died-due-to-game" stunt, and tries so hard to protect their in-game investment that they hurt themself IRL. I don't see it as being impossible. ----- Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows. Fixed it. Happy?
Princess Minnie	Posted - 2007.03.12 00:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Lithalnas I think that the more titans that are launched, there will come a time when a titan loss is like a carrier loss, somewhat common yet rare enough to post of the forums. Titans are very skill intensive and expensive, meaning only a handful of alliance leaders can fly them, this means that if one was to target those leaders, force their titan to be online and flying from dt to dt allways having aggro, the persistant enemy can gank it when its pilot logs off due to lack of sleep/food. How does this change your tactics? Dont blob, run around in highly mobile squads and spread the battlefront out over many systems. I think there was a blog on blobing that stated that this is what they wanted. dude, this post makes no sense whatsoever. a) a loan carrier kill isnt enough to post on the forums anymore, and a titan loss will never be like a carrier loss, for the simple fact that you need 50 bill isk worth of minerals, so the logistics of mining and hauling is still a huge effort. Sure there will be more titans in game, but they will always be valued. b) how do you always agro a titan? the pilot sits the titan inside a POS shield for 15 minutes and then logs? or flys to a ss and cloaks? there is no way you can keep a titan agro'd. And even if you want to do the didgy shoot his cans to keep him agro'd exploit, the cans still disappear after 1-2 hours. c) how does this change your tactic? well if you tactic was to run 200-500 man gangs through gates and try to lag the node so much that it crashes, then yes you are in trouble when it doesnt crash. All other tactics it doesnt change it too much.
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.03.12 00:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Enkryption No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP. You lost over 200 ships and the DD was responsible for 80 of those. That means 120 ships were killed by the opposing fleet. No matter how you try to shift blame the fact is you got schooled. Maybe you should accept that your own tactics and abilities were at fault, not CCP's. Theres a lot of merit in the calls for titan changes but as we can see from the above, the titan was only 40% of the story. Skilless zerg blobs can't win all the time
Kaalen Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.12 01:06:00 - [45] Edited by: Kaalen on 12/03/2007 01:03:07 Your fleet got owned by a doomsday device because a doomsday device is an anti-blob weapon, if you're facing a titan split your fleet up so that if you DO get hit you don't lose everyone. Be aligned to warp out should you fear a DDD is on it's way. Do SOMETHING to lure the thing into launching it's attack without taking significant losses and the rest of your fleet is safe until it charges up again. EVE battles are not supposed to be two sides gathering up as many ships as possible and throwing them at each other to see who wins and I for one am thankful that there is a deterrant for this tactic, as there is no skill involved there at all. You lost because you were outsmarted, not because a titan is an I-WIN button. Deal with it.
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.12 02:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Kaalen Edited by: Kaalen on 12/03/2007 01:03:07 Your fleet got owned by a doomsday device because a doomsday device is an anti-blob weapon, if you're facing a titan split your fleet up so that if you DO get hit you don't lose everyone. Be aligned to warp out should you fear a DDD is on it's way. Do SOMETHING to lure the thing into launching it's attack without taking significant losses and the rest of your fleet is safe until it charges up again. EVE battles are not supposed to be two sides gathering up as many ships as possible and throwing them at each other to see who wins and I for one am thankful that there is a deterrant for this tactic, as there is no skill involved there at all. You lost because you were outsmarted, not because a titan is an I-WIN button. Deal with it. I love posts like these with all sorts of hypotheticals on what you should do. 1. Fleets are laggy, most of the time the lag is bad enough that you cannot warp out despite having mashed the button and being aligned. 2. Split fleets rarely work, lag means the enemy can and will warp in their own fleet on one half of your fleet to pwn it, while your other half gets DDed. 3. Blobs are the only way to take down POSes. You cant take down a deathstar POS without a fleet of capitals and a fleet of support to defend the capitals. Let me know when your roaming gangs can claim soverignty...oh wait, they cant. "Blob less" is possibly the dumbest reply ever. How do you propose we take down POSes and enemy blobs without our own blob? Magic?
SumDum Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 02:48:00 - [47] Quote: No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP. It was said before, I'll say it again. You were pwned. Want to pwn too? How to pwn How to pwn
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.12 03:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Lithalnas How does this change your tactics? Dont blob, run around in highly mobile squads and spread the battlefront out over many systems. I think there was a blog on blobing that stated that this is what they wanted. Gank squads do not effect territorial claims. "blobs" do. This is the way EVE has been designed. If CCP did not intend for blobs to be necessary to claim territory, then they have failed horribly at game design. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
qvacky AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.12 03:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Kaalen Edited by: Kaalen on 12/03/2007 01:03:07 Your fleet got owned by a doomsday device because a doomsday device is an anti-blob weapon, if you're facing a titan split your fleet up so that if you DO get hit you don't lose everyone. Be aligned to warp out should you fear a DDD is on it's way. Do SOMETHING to lure the thing into launching it's attack without taking significant losses and the rest of your fleet is safe until it charges up again. EVE battles are not supposed to be two sides gathering up as many ships as possible and throwing them at each other to see who wins and I for one am thankful that there is a deterrant for this tactic, as there is no skill involved there at all. You lost because you were outsmarted, not because a titan is an I-WIN button. Deal with it. Ok then genius, what wonderful suggestions do you have on how to kill poses without a blob? Its all nice and dandy to say 'lolz stop blobbing then,' but the fact of the matter is that its currently the only way to really achieve anything with the way the game mechanics are set up.
Arcadia1701 Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.12 03:22:00 - [50] Use a capital blob :D, the new blob fashion. But seriously the DDs and titans are fine. Maybe if we end up haveing 40, 50, 70 + titans then CCP can look at re-ajusting them. But for now things seem ok. My sig> Post with your main or STFU
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.12 03:56:00 - [51] Edited by: Xeliya on 12/03/2007 03:53:00 DD's are fine, if you didn't use blobs of 300 people then they wouldn't be so effective. The time training the skills, time to build, logistics to build and the cost and logistics to move a titan is beyond your comprehension. Only thing that needs to be changed is a capital warp scrambler to scramble MS/Titans but the scrams can only fit on other MS/Titans. And you guys knew BoB would be sieging there and if you didn't your intel blows so why weren't you in system ahead of time? ----------
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:21:00 - [52] Guys guys!! There's nothing wrong with Titans! You should get your own Titan! And move to the UK next to the cluster so you can warp out w/o lag! And don't use blobs to attack POS's! However, in the interests of being slightly more constructive, I will post two ideas: 1. Could Titans be made bigger? Like, a lot bigger. Like, spans multiple grids and can only DDD in one of them bigger? 2. Can we allow skill requirement reductions to fly ships by docking multiple pods in them? Strictly super-capital only, but ensures everyone who can bankroll it can have a Titan (seeing as there's virtually 0 chance of any individual ever owning a Titan independantly).
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:26:00 - [53] Heh, Heh. Triple D's.
Terrak2 The Aforementioned	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:26:00 - [54] You mean blobbing is VERY slowly losing its status as the be-all end-all of EVE? Oh darn! I'm hard to come by like a straight guy workin' at Starbucks.
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:32:00 - [55] yeah i pretty much only read the first page of this thread, but here's the problem with titans. there is no problem with titans. yes, i have been doomsdayed, i lost a fully T2 fitted mega. the problem is the lag. from what i heard today, IAC and friends jumped 200+ gangmembers into 90 bob camping a gate, and every IAC/friend told me they could not activate modules the first 5+ minutes of the fight, while the bob fleet pounded on them, then they got DD. "yeah, sucks for you jumping 200 into 90, shoulda expected that" i said. "they didn't have to load the grid like you did" i casually added. you fix the lag, you fix the MAJORITY of titan problems. BS's can MWD out of bubbles and warp, you can activate modules (such as DC's and hardners, the only way to survive a direct DD blast) and even attempt to shoot back. until then yeah, titans suck. my opinion anyways
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:38:00 - [56] Originally by: nickky01 yeah i pretty much only read the first page of this thread, but here's the problem with titans. there is no problem with titans. yes, i have been doomsdayed, i lost a fully T2 fitted mega. the problem is the lag. from what i heard today, IAC and friends jumped 200+ gangmembers into 90 bob camping a gate, and every IAC/friend told me they could not activate modules the first 5+ minutes of the fight, while the bob fleet pounded on them, then they got DD. "yeah, sucks for you jumping 200 into 90, shoulda expected that" i said. "they didn't have to load the grid like you did" i casually added. you fix the lag, you fix the MAJORITY of titan problems. BS's can MWD out of bubbles and warp, you can activate modules (such as DC's and hardners, the only way to survive a direct DD blast) and even attempt to shoot back. QFT I can still remember the AAA DD on us and pretty much everyone who died was lagged out. ----------
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:50:00 - [57] I may not be the first one to say this, BUT! To all the people who say the DD is unbalanced: SO - FECKING - WHAT?!?! It's a doomsday device!! It's SUPPOSED to be unbalanced. It's SUPPOSED to turn you until small chunks of wreck! Why does every single thing have to be balanced anyway??? As a matter of fact, the DD IS balanced. You know why? Because ALL DD's regardless of race, will wipe you, your ship, your fleet and probably a lot of other things out too. So quit yer yapping and face the music! Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.12 04:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Xeliya Originally by: nickky01 yeah i pretty much only read the first page of this thread, but here's the problem with titans. there is no problem with titans. yes, i have been doomsdayed, i lost a fully T2 fitted mega. the problem is the lag. from what i heard today, IAC and friends jumped 200+ gangmembers into 90 bob camping a gate, and every IAC/friend told me they could not activate modules the first 5+ minutes of the fight, while the bob fleet pounded on them, then they got DD. "yeah, sucks for you jumping 200 into 90, shoulda expected that" i said. "they didn't have to load the grid like you did" i casually added. you fix the lag, you fix the MAJORITY of titan problems. BS's can MWD out of bubbles and warp, you can activate modules (such as DC's and hardners, the only way to survive a direct DD blast) and even attempt to shoot back. QFT I can still remember the AAA DD on us and pretty much everyone who died was lagged out. I'm seconding this QFT. If the lag isn't bad then you can flip on the tank/warp before it gets you. Doesn't solve some of the balance issues multiple Titans might bring but definitely would greatly fix most of the complaints.
Srvin Taisorgky	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:17:00 - [59] Having never been fortunate enough to see one in action, do they also destroy whole stations en masse? That would be a great isk sink and would enliven the 0.0 space wars. Doomsday devices exploding everything back into the stone age. (pictures please) Then we could start to conquer the universe over again in ibises. And if they don't do this, may I suggest microbe warfare -- the type that attack the structures of space so that they disentergrate (another great isk sink) over time ( like 2 days) and planetary collision warfare where you change the orbit of a planet, asteroid or moon and let it smash into and destroy these ugly unnatural structures. And where is the back to nature movent in the storylines? Doesn't anyone realize that these structures are polluting space?
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:27:00 - [60] I saw DDD's in the title of this thread and I got a bit excited. So I clicked on the link. And then my excitement vanished. Bleh. We need more threads on triple-d's and less threads on doomsday devices I say.

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