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Enkryption	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:46:00 - [1] No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:48:00 - [2] Sounds like someone just got doomsdayed. Oh no! Someone forces you to use actual tactics rather than just sit 200 ships on a gate waiting for the enemies to warp in and die? --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Enkryption No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP. Cool isn't it. what did you expect something with DOOMSDAY DEVICE in the name to do anyway? Here's a tip try using some captital ships. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:49:00 - [4] I belive theres a phrase for this kinda situation ummmm PWNED!!! yes thats it. Yeash if your gonna sit around long enough for a titan to fire up the doomsday your quite stupid Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
DarkZaion Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:51:00 - [5] u must be a goon that just got dd'ed ... if u cant handle 0.0 then get the f... out or stop whining
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:52:00 - [6] EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME! - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:53:00 - [7] If having a ship that can kill fleets in a single shot is wrong, I don't want to be right. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Vincent R	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:54:00 - [8] The doomsday devices are such an amazingly unbalanced concept. I don't even go on our fleet ops anymore, because CCP has taken all the fun out of fleet combat. This happens almost EVERY TIME you try to have a fleet battle these days. Either there is a deadlock, because the enemy camps the gates and it's suicide to jump in (you'll just get DD'd) or you actually try to engage and just die without a fight. Also, I'd like to say **** you to all the "LOL! Sounds like SOMEONE just got doomsdayed!" people. There is NO SKILL AT ALL involved in pressing a button and killing 250 ships in one blow, WITHOUT RISK TO YOURSELF OR YOUR FLEET. CCP, the titans are making it impossible for new players to survive in 0.0. You want people to come out of empire, yet with your actions you are cementing the old powers. You are destroying all fun in your game for those without titans!!!
Vincent R	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:55:00 - [9] Originally by: ToxicFire I belive theres a phrase for this kinda situation ummmm PWNED!!! yes thats it. Yeash if your gonna sit around long enough for a titan to fire up the doomsday your quite stupid Have you ever been in a fleet battle? There is often several MINUTES of lag.
Brokeback Jim	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Sounds like someone just got doomsdayed. Oh no! Someone forces you to use actual tactics rather than just sit 200 ships on a gate waiting for the enemies to warp in and die? If the game actually worked and there was no lag, that'd be possible. But it isn't. The game is sucking, now.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Vincent R The doomsday devices are such an amazingly unbalanced concept. I don't even go on our fleet ops anymore, because CCP has taken all the fun out of fleet combat. This happens almost EVERY TIME you try to have a fleet battle these days. Either there is a deadlock, because the enemy camps the gates and it's suicide to jump in (you'll just get DD'd) or you actually try to engage and just die without a fight. Also, I'd like to say **** you to all the "LOL! Sounds like SOMEONE just got doomsdayed!" people. There is NO SKILL AT ALL involved in pressing a button and killing 250 ships in one blow, WITHOUT RISK TO YOURSELF OR YOUR FLEET. CCP, the titans are making it impossible for new players to survive in 0.0. You want people to come out of empire, yet with your actions you are cementing the old powers. You are destroying all fun in your game for those without titans!!! That has to be the biggest pile of crap i've heard on the forums in a long while, how does newbies getting into 0.0 relate to titans and DD's. Yuh the without risk to your own fleet part I dunno if u've ever noticed but DD's are indiscriminate. Also DD's can only cycle one an hour, use a bluff tactic to make them fire off early then send the main body of the fleet in. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2007.03.11 22:59:00 - [12] Doomsdays require more work, more thought and more tactical discipline then having a 500 man blob crash the node does, right ? Doomsdays can't stop a good fleet for more then a minute. It however stops thoughtless zergs quite nicely.
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:00:00 - [13] Thank you CCP the anti-blob module actually works!!! "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:01:00 - [14] Note that I am speaking here as a person who knows sweet **** all about fleet combat, seeing as how I avoid it and all. Nonetheless, the impression I have is that while DDDs are an attempt to discourage blobs, the other mechanics in the game like POSspam and focused fire not only encourage but actually require blobbing in order to succeed. DDDs may actually serve a good purpose in ended the use of blobs if and when other tactics become as viable. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Brokeback Jim	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:02:00 - [15] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Vincent R The doomsday devices are such an amazingly unbalanced concept. I don't even go on our fleet ops anymore, because CCP has taken all the fun out of fleet combat. This happens almost EVERY TIME you try to have a fleet battle these days. Either there is a deadlock, because the enemy camps the gates and it's suicide to jump in (you'll just get DD'd) or you actually try to engage and just die without a fight. Also, I'd like to say **** you to all the "LOL! Sounds like SOMEONE just got doomsdayed!" people. There is NO SKILL AT ALL involved in pressing a button and killing 250 ships in one blow, WITHOUT RISK TO YOURSELF OR YOUR FLEET. CCP, the titans are making it impossible for new players to survive in 0.0. You want people to come out of empire, yet with your actions you are cementing the old powers. You are destroying all fun in your game for those without titans!!! That has to be the biggest pile of crap i've heard on the forums in a long while, how does newbies getting into 0.0 relate to titans and DD's. Yuh the without risk to your own fleet part I dunno if u've ever noticed but DD's are indiscriminate. Also DD's can only cycle one an hour, use a bluff tactic to make them fire off early then send the main body of the fleet in. 5 titans mean - you could remote DD every 12 minutes ... 10 titans mean - you could remote DD every 6 minutes ... 20 titans mean - you could remote DD every 3 minutes ... Whether now or later, they need fixed. They'll probably wait until the Coalition is crushed under their weight, though. To be honest, I could really care less about them. I just wish the Devs would comment on them.
Joan Smith Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Vincent R The doomsday devices are such an amazingly unbalanced concept. Also, I'd like to say **** you to all the "LOL! Sounds like SOMEONE just got doomsdayed!" people. There is NO SKILL AT ALL involved in pressing a button and killing 250 ships in one blow, WITHOUT RISK TO YOURSELF OR YOUR FLEET. hey stupid goon DD does needs skill and lots of it..and yes lots of skill points soo stfu. whats that no risk to ur self ? wts clue ofc there is titan pretty much def less for 1 hr and no risk to ur fleet??? can i remind u DD kills everything in area!!! jeeezzz
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:07:00 - [17] Apart from BoB didnt remote detonate the titan was on the field with 240 hostiles along with the BoB fleet.
Andriela	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:07:00 - [18] remote DD is an exploit. Really don't know why GM is not aware!
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Crumplecorn EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME! Extreeeeeeeme! linky January's Film
OMGROFL CEO Amarr OMG ROFL	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Vincent R The doomsday devices are such an amazingly unbalanced concept. I don't even go on our fleet ops anymore, because CCP has taken all the fun out of fleet combat. This happens almost EVERY TIME you try to have a fleet battle these days. Either there is a deadlock, because the enemy camps the gates and it's suicide to jump in (you'll just get DD'd) or you actually try to engage and just die without a fight. Also, I'd like to say **** you to all the "LOL! Sounds like SOMEONE just got doomsdayed!" people. There is NO SKILL AT ALL involved in pressing a button and killing 250 ships in one blow, WITHOUT RISK TO YOURSELF OR YOUR FLEET. CCP, the titans are making it impossible for new players to survive in 0.0. You want people to come out of empire, yet with your actions you are cementing the old powers. You are destroying all fun in your game for those without titans!!! also no skill required to node crash with 250 tech 1 fitted frigs. get some skills noobs. omgrofl since 1337
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:09:00 - [21] I think it's clear that Titans are like Death Stars. They can't be allowed to exist, but they're possible. Unfortunately, the entire way Eve is set up forbids some heroic mission to destroy one while it's being made, or once it's finished. Meaning if someone has the money and resources, they will get a titan and that's that. If CCP wants to make something that takes hundreds upon hundreds of ships to destroy, they ought not to have placed it before making extremely efficient nodes throughout the universe. I've said it before, but I'll repeat myself. Enough new content until you get the hardware and software issues fixed. And I mean FIXED, not "explained away by some stupid coverstory", sidestepped, or half-patched. CCP, you've got a significant job on your hands. If I'm trying to sell somebody a house that has broken windows, do I add an extra chimney, an indoor swimming pool, and a tennis court? No, I fix the ******* windows. ----- Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows. Fixed it. Happy?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/03/2007 23:08:49 Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Crumplecorn EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME! Extreeeeeeeme! linky Not supposed to link them on the forum D: Funny thing it, last time I saw that I didn't know what ship that was, whose that face was, or what the whole thing was about. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari Sounds like someone just got doomsdayed. Oh no! Someone forces you to use actual tactics rather than just sit 200 ships on a gate waiting for the enemies to warp in and die? No offence but what exactly do FiX do? Use amazing split fleet tactics to minamalize DD losses? No, you don't, because it generally doesn't work. So what do you do? You get in your 100 man fleet, wait for your pal to DD their 200 man fleet and then you warp in once you outnumber them. Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Brokeback Jim Originally by: Dark Shikari Sounds like someone just got doomsdayed. Oh no! Someone forces you to use actual tactics rather than just sit 200 ships on a gate waiting for the enemies to warp in and die? If the game actually worked and there was no lag, that'd be possible. But it isn't. The game is sucking, now. I've gotten hit by a lagged-out Doomsday too. Welcome to the club --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Squirrrel Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Enkryption No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP. There WAS a battle. For whatever reason you were too close to a big ship that has a big stick to whack you over the head with. God forbid people have to employ tactics in a game!
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:14:00 - [26] while my experance with titans is looking at strike in the MN5N astroid belt, it seems pretty crappy that you can wipe out a entire fleet without bothering to fight. I mean, wars aside and all, the troops are coming to have fun, and with titans the only person having fun is the titan pilot. The 2 fleets that turned up to shoot eachother got no fun at all. Originally by: Graalum Thats a caldari juggernaut torpedo fired by an ibis.
Liklin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:14:00 - [27] Originally by: DarkZaion u must be a goon that just got dd'ed ... if u cant handle 0.0 then get the f... out or stop whining If everyone played on a level playing field that "might" be a valid point, however since some people are simply "special" in this game, thats not the case is it........
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:18:00 - [28] The skill lies in defending the assembly array from attack and gathering the immense resources required to construct one, while all the time there are (probably) people intriguing against you. The war wagon provides an interesting historical parallel: Originally by: Wikipedia The first victory against the Wagenburg at the Battle of Tachov showed that the best ways to defeat a Wagenburg were to either prevent it from being erected in the first place, or to get the men inside of it to charge out of it, by means of a feint retreat. Thus, the fortification would lose its prime advantage. So far, those are the only means by which any Titan has ever been destroyed - the second tactic is comparable to attacking while the pilot is logged off. ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - feedback welcome :) Army of doom headcount: 26,045
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Kerfira on 11/03/2007 23:23:09 Originally by: Enkryption No, I mean it! Destroying a 200 man fleet in the blink of an eye is just completely awesome! I mean god forbid there actually be a battle! Why when you can destroy that many ships with the push of a single button on a single ship!? Awesome! Good job on this one CCP. Yeah, it is. Why don't you build one yourself instead of just whining??? Then you could use the jump-bridge ability to get your fleet in without the risk. You could use a DD too. My guess is that you wouldn't whine over that. If I understand the situation correctly, your main characters fleet jumped into a system (why don't you post with your main?), got lagged out, and DD'd?? First of all, if you knew there was a Titan there, why did you choose such a stupid strategy? Secondly, If you jump in 200+ ships, you KNOW there'll be lag, so again a stupid decision to jump. Third, that Titan probably cost (much) more than your fleet combined. So, yes, it should be able to PWN you when you present yourself gift-wrapped like that. Fourth, from BoB's killboard (I assume that's the DD blast you're talking about), it seems like the Titan got a good shot at you with very few friendly casualties. This indicates they planned and setup a trap, and you walked straight into it. In conclusion: Your - Own - Fault !!!! General advice: Stop whining!
Brokeback Jim	Posted - 2007.03.11 23:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Brokeback Jim Originally by: Dark Shikari Sounds like someone just got doomsdayed. Oh no! Someone forces you to use actual tactics rather than just sit 200 ships on a gate waiting for the enemies to warp in and die? If the game actually worked and there was no lag, that'd be possible. But it isn't. The game is sucking, now. I've gotten hit by a lagged-out Doomsday too. Welcome to the club Learn to read, Pro Forum dude. I never said you didn't get hit by it. I said lag is too prevalent to really work around it. Which you just added more evidence of.... What's funny is even the Star Wars Death Star was only killing one or two ships per shot.....:)

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