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Darcy Killar Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.13 12:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Sidrat Flush Haven't mined in empire for a long time. Even when I did secure giant cans are the only way to go. However I thought with the kill rights that was added to the game, that would be the end to ore thieves. Seems I was wrong... I thought the kill rights went to the entire corp? Granted if it's to a sole person then only an uber miner would be able to take on an indy pilot in a mining barge or semi ratting/mining setup ship. The whole corp gets agg on you when you steal from a members jet can (excluding NPC ones) However most people don't fight back. Why? Well a cheap fit (Pvp) on a T1 frig can down any T1 barge in seconds. I decked out Itty V or Badger Mk II can take down a barge. See the thing is, barges are weak. So why risk you 10-40 mil investment over 1 can I pyro? There are the few that bring in reinforcements. And the other day I saw a mining op guarded by and Enyo and two Drakes... In high sec. Guess we are making them nervous. About me! My kills!
Jase Sola Amarr Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.03.13 15:47:00 - [32] Ok, so I have a question to ask.... Does it count as stealing ore when you stick it in your can from their's and then blow your can up? Or is that just regulating the EVE ore market by screwing over jet can miners? Also, I got a war decced on my corp for that... and blowing up a hauler.... and having one of their friends get concordukkened cause they didn't have revenge on me and tried to get it anyway...
Silver Sheath	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:22:00 - [33] As I've said before, ore thieves make jetmining possible. If using a can like that didnt open you to thieves, then CCP would have probably nerfed the can size. But instead, I can yank 10k m3 of the ore from a 27k can, so they dont bother. (Most people don't manage to fill them that much though)
Saint Lazarus	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Jase Sola Ok, so I have a question to ask.... Does it count as stealing ore when you stick it in your can from their's and then blow your can up? Or is that just regulating the EVE ore market by screwing over jet can miners? Also, I got a war decced on my corp for that... and blowing up a hauler.... and having one of their friends get concordukkened cause they didn't have revenge on me and tried to get it anyway... I only do that as a last resort and I cant get the ore back to a station. And congrats on the war dec, I bet it was alot more fun for you than them ;) :insert cool signature here:
Jaymine	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:51:00 - [35] Oh man, if you guys really want to get some flack go steal ore in Gulfondi, I have been doing it the last few days and the carebears there take it VERY personal. I have been called so many things in local that I cannot remember all of them, I'm a 10 year old, my mommies gone and im on the computer, lots of bad mom jokes etc. etc. They litterly smack local the entire time I am there stealing ore, one of them even hired a MERC to quote "take me out" lmao, its great fun for any ore theif, come down sometime and help me run all the miners out of there, plenty of barges!
Niton Stormrider HCD	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:47:00 - [36] shakes head oh, my poor fellow miners, raising a ruckus about ore thievery. As if EvE wasn't a PvP game for crying out loud! When you jetcan mine, ore thieving happens. Most of the time it doesn't even dent a miner's profits anyway, unless you gank his ore in an Indy. Last time a pirate rolled up to my can in a frigate and stole a hundred m3 of scord, I patted him on the head, transfered a million to his account and told him to buy a REAL ship. Empire mining would be even more boring without ore thieves. Hell, I love 'em, they keep me awake. :) That said, real miners do it in lowsec. Cuz if you don't have to dodge 35 pirates and 5 scan probes to bring the ore home, where's the fun?
Speed Devil Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 01:15:00 - [37] ow u know whats fun too, go in a 0.5 system, look for some retriever that mines with his drones too, wait till the rats show up and bump the retriever so he cant warp and dies. then steal his can :p my caracal just got popped while typing this Originally by: Merkanas To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun.
nikhan Amarr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.14 01:18:00 - [38] I love ore thieving. Especially from the miners that do nothing when you take their stuff. We just flip the cans and I jump in my bestower and start hauling away. Hell, Id do it for a few hours if it means cheaper ships for the corp :) pew pew pew
Devian 666 Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.14 02:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Niton Stormrider shakes head oh, my poor fellow miners, raising a ruckus about ore thievery. As if EvE wasn't a PvP game for crying out loud! When you jetcan mine, ore thieving happens. Most of the time it doesn't even dent a miner's profits anyway, unless you gank his ore in an Indy. Last time a pirate rolled up to my can in a frigate and stole a hundred m3 of scord, I patted him on the head, transfered a million to his account and told him to buy a REAL ship. Empire mining would be even more boring without ore thieves. Hell, I love 'em, they keep me awake. :) That said, real miners do it in lowsec. Cuz if you don't have to dodge 35 pirates and 5 scan probes to bring the ore home, where's the fun? The ore thieves stealing low volumes just haven't worked out the mechanics. Often I've flipped a can just to be flagged. Some of the more daring farmers have stolen the ore back with an itty 5. It can be stolen back with align and steal. A while later I switched to flip can and tow with a tractor beam while running a mwd. An itty 5 with expanders has trouble chasing a can flying at 300 m/s. Cool an orange sig
Rick Essence Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.14 02:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Devian 666 An itty 5 with expanders has trouble chasing a can flying at 300 m/s. That is just twisted and evil. You are a sick man. I salute you sir! Ebil Piewat Haiku I've interrupted A happy little carebear. His tears taste like wine. My kills and losses
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.14 02:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Devian 666 I switched to flip can and tow with a tractor beam while running a mwd. An itty 5 with expanders has trouble chasing a can flying at 300 m/s. Ah that's great... ----- Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows. Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Speed Devil ow u know whats fun too, go in a 0.5 system, look for some retriever that mines with his drones too, wait till the rats show up and bump the retriever so he cant warp and dies. then steal his can :p my caracal just got popped while typing this Dambit you made me laugh now everyone in the office is looking at me...
Silver Sheath	Posted - 2007.03.14 17:51:00 - [43] Actually the other night i watched someone bumping a macro miner's hauler for about 30 mins and got him stuck. That was funny as hell.
Ohoboho	Posted - 2007.03.15 09:41:00 - [44] Heheh. Mine 2 cans of hemo. Leave them. Wait in hext sistem for someone to steal. Jump. Warp to station. Pop him. Take back the ore and wait for another one :)
Misanth	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Because it takes no skill; as much as I hate gate campers, they atleast shoot you when you're down, and there are ways to get away. Ore Thieves are like that fat kid who steals your lunch. You can try and fight back in your mining barge, but they will just walk off to eat your food. You got a point. When I started EvE I had no clue where to start, didn't know anything about the game system, what skills to get, whether to run missions or just rat or mine, and/or when/how you could do to be a successful pirate, etc. I found out the most simple way to make money fast was to learn amarr industrial 1 and to steal/haul ore, so I did. Also tried some basic bookmark schemes, selling bookmarks was quite lucrative back then. My point being the same as the post I quoted; it's too damn easy. Would be nice if there was some kind of added security by, for example, adding a 5sec timer to 'open' a can that doesn't belong to you. I still consider this a very fun way of pirating for new players so it'd be sad if it was killed, and seriously don't understand why they get such a bashing - but yeah, it's too easy, give the poor miner some way of defending themselves. ;)
Serret Nevets Puppets on Steroids	Posted - 2007.03.15 14:10:00 - [46] Make it harder? Give me a break. If miner's don't want to get their stuff pinched, they shouldn't mine into jetcans. It's really that simple. You're just another carebear wanting to make the game easier for you and your kind. Blah ---throws up into the toilet--- Spanking or being spanked... it's up to you.
Korethius	Posted - 2007.03.15 19:13:00 - [47] Hee, hee, Im new here and this sounds interesting Couple of questions tho if I may: i) Is a jetcan not a secure container? ii) How do you know if its a jetcan? iii) How do you know if someone is macro mining, or afk? iv) Can u unanchor and scoop secure containers? Cheers Zeke
Crinos Childflayer	Posted - 2007.03.15 19:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Korethius Hee, hee, Im new here and this sounds interesting Couple of questions tho if I may: i) Is a jetcan not a secure container? ii) How do you know if its a jetcan? iii) How do you know if someone is macro mining, or afk? iv) Can u unanchor and scoop secure containers? Cheers Zeke 1. No, anyone can open it. 2. It'll show up on your overview. 3. They say nothing, have names like abc3 or facexxx 4. Not when anchored "The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat side first!" -Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.15 20:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Serret Nevets Make it harder? Give me a break. If miner's don't want to get their stuff pinched, they shouldn't mine into jetcans. It's really that simple. You're just another carebear wanting to make the game easier for you and your kind. Blah ---throws up into the toilet--- I would like to elaborate on this point by stressing the fact that it already was made harder. They didn't have the flagging when I joined Eve, and that was fine by me, but then again, I was the theif. When they added it, I was fine with that; the miners got their way through much whining and are now allowed to shoot the thieves. You've already gotten your chance to fight back people. Use it and don't whine for more. It's like people whining for more pirate nerfs even though they got their damn gate guns already... ----- Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows. Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog
Ladyah Liandri VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.03.16 12:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Misanth My point being the same as the post I quoted; it's too damn easy. Would be nice if there was some kind of added security by, for example, adding a 5sec timer to 'open' a can that doesn't belong to you. No skills? Too easy? You obviously haven't met someone who turned it into an art form.
Ladyah Liandri VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.03.16 12:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Serret Nevets Make it harder? Give me a break. If miner's don't want to get their stuff pinched, they shouldn't mine into jetcans. It's really that simple. You're just another carebear wanting to make the game easier for you and your kind. Blah ---throws up into the toilet--- Exactly. BTW where a the pre-RMR miner whiners now? You got the criminal flagging system to have a chance fighting ore thiefs. But instead you still prefer sitting in NPC corps mining in jetcans. Co-operation is the key. Get a player corp, get a hauler, get protection.
Ebusitanus Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.16 13:03:00 - [52] Instead of hunting n00bs in high sec for a cheap thrill maybe the real thieves should do the whole community a service and hunt for Chinese farmers types but I guess hunting the big boys is to hard. ------------------------------------------------ "Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!" Pompey the Great to the defenders of a besieged city who were crying outrage.
Shiva Shane Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.16 13:32:00 - [53] Easy or hard, big or small, I've never really thought the nationality of the player made any differences to the purpose of my activities.
Ebusitanus Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.16 15:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Shiva Shane Easy or hard, big or small, I've never really thought the nationality of the player made any differences to the purpose of my activities. Extra points for quick political correctness score win, check! Now, since you know what I meant, any inteligent reply? ------------------------------------------------ "Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!" Pompey the Great to the defenders of a besieged city who were crying outrage.
Shiva Shane Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.16 15:19:00 - [55] Sure, the reply was part of my original, but not that obvious, here it is more obviously: Easy or hard, big or small, I hunt what I hunt. If the person happens to be chinese or any other nationality makes no difference to me. In other words, no, I'm not afraid to go against the "big boys".
Lavinrac Krad	Posted - 2007.03.16 15:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Because it takes no skill; as much as I hate gate campers, they atleast shoot you when you're down, and there are ways to get away. Ore Thieves are like that fat kid who steals your lunch. You can try and fight back in your mining barge, but they will just walk off to eat your food. You got a point. When I started EvE I had no clue where to start, didn't know anything about the game system, what skills to get, whether to run missions or just rat or mine, and/or when/how you could do to be a successful pirate, etc. I found out the most simple way to make money fast was to learn amarr industrial 1 and to steal/haul ore, so I did. Also tried some basic bookmark schemes, selling bookmarks was quite lucrative back then. My point being the same as the post I quoted; it's too damn easy. Would be nice if there was some kind of added security by, for example, adding a 5sec timer to 'open' a can that doesn't belong to you. I still consider this a very fun way of pirating for new players so it'd be sad if it was killed, and seriously don't understand why they get such a bashing - but yeah, it's too easy, give the poor miner some way of defending themselves. ;) Want to know why ore-thieving is easy? Because it is the least efficient way to make isk in Eve. An ore thief jumps into system, then jumps into your belt, what likelyhood is it that your can is going to be full? Well it is on a curve and the curve has y coordinates of time and x coordinates of ship being used. In a Bataam, not dam likely, your thief just stole about 5K of scordite. In an Osprey, ok slightly better odds, but not by much. With a retriever, it still takes you an hour to fill up a can about, so not that likely either. Now when you get to a covetor, yeah maybe it is at a point where they will steal a full to near full can from you frequently, but still, the y (time it takes you to fill a can) coordinate is so small at this point, who cares? It no longer takes a bataam's worth of time to fill up a can. What I am saying is, your profit is not being impacted by ore thieves, they are just a minor cost for doing business. The only time Ore Thieving is profitable is when the thief runs into a system of jet-can miners with the names "fguisdfgh," "tyfdis," ect... Then you just bookmark all the cans, bookmark a station and warp-to-0 from can, to station, to next can... Repeat it until the AFK miners do something about it. You can make many many millions, in an hour stealing scordite, probably even Veldspar
Crinos Childflayer	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Ebusitanus Instead of hunting n00bs in high sec for a cheap thrill maybe the real thieves should do the whole community a service and hunt for Chinese farmers types but I guess hunting the big boys is to hard. Nothing personal, I hate correcting the same person multiple time, but you're proving to have an irritating viewpoint. I'm gonna put this simply, MACRO MINERS ARE EASY AS HELL TO FIND! You apparently have no idea how any of the system works if you don't realize that it is not hard to steal from MACRO miners who ARE NOT AT THE COMPUTER. However, a year old miner with a corp and buddies who can kill you make the theft a little harder. So, just......stop......talking.....if you don't understand. - "The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!" -Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos
Shiva Shane Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:29:00 - [58] If the bantam and osprey miners both mine 'til jetcan is full before hauling it off, if I steal from 10 miners the average can fullness will be 50%, more or less. How fast they extract makes no difference at all, unless I am trying to go back to the same miner for "repeat business". The average 1/2 jet can per miner is not bad if you ask me.
Crinos Childflayer	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:48:00 - [59] The miners never put to as good of use as I can, they should be friggin honored that THIER ore gets to be part of my grand plans!!!! AHHHHHHHAAHAAHAAHAA! - "The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!" -Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos
Maxine Blade	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:04:00 - [60] I have no problem with "honorable" Ore Thieving, but there are some P U S S Y Ore Thieves out there. All the posts above don't reference this method so props to you ore thieves who don't do the below. Ore Thief Main flips a jet can into their own jet can, and warps away (we've found this ore thief also uses warp stabs in his frig which makes this guy even more sad). Then either another NPC corp member or alt shows up to haul the flip can away while the main ore thief is sitting cowering in a station. Do any of you condone this way of thieving? There is no chance to fight back.

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