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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 19:07:00 -
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I'd have to say that I am mercenary by nature. I condone the acquisition of wealth.
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Ebusitanus
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.16 22:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Crinos Childflayer
The miners never put to as good of use as I can, they should be friggin honored that THIER ore gets to be part of my grand plans!!!! AHHHHHHHAAHAAHAAHAA!
I have to shut so that you can utter this? Yeah...I start to understand where your maturity comes from. Next!
FYI, I was not talking about automated mining but those fellows who sit 16 hours straight at the screen and get paid (not much) for doing that. I¦m sure with your vast experience you must know the difference.
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.16 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Crinos Childflayer on 16/03/2007 22:44:05
Originally by: Ebusitanus
I have to shut so that you can utter this? Yeah...I start to understand where your maturity comes from. Next!
FYI, I was not talking about automated mining but those fellows who sit 16 hours straight at the screen and get paid (not much) for doing that. I¦m sure with your vast experience you must know the difference.
More education for the masses!!! Psst.....Macro and Chinese are not synonyms.....
Macro = A program written to perform the same actions over and over through the program it was written for. (At least as far as this is concerned)
Chinese = A term for people from China.
See the difference? Btw, how does him sitting in front of the computer for 16 hours mining make him a "big boy"? I just don't understand how the fact that he's Chinese makes him a better (worse? I don't know what you've been trying to say about the Chinese, but I don't like racists) target.
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Bleys Vontagen
Gallente
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:24:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Originally by: UnAlT
oh you stupid little kids , u under estimate the poor miner .... where do you think u get your minerals to build your ships ? or to make the ammo...?? i'd love to see all the miners stop mining, the builders to stop building ...u'll have 3 "options" :
1.start mining so u can build new ships (and when that will happen , we'll come and steal your ore)
2.beg us to go back and mine/build
3.fight with your pod's .... bumping pod's .
the miner is the one that keeps that universe running ....no miners--->no minerals--->no ships/ammo/mods--->no YOU !  
Yeah well I'd love for all pirates to stop piratin for a week and watch what happens to the market, without ships goin BOOM theres no people buyin replacements or new equipment, hence mining for minerals would pretty soon be pointless
no pirates to keep the economy runnin = no POINT to minin
Think a little harder next time before ya try to act smart 
Kind of a lame comeback, especially as you closed it with an insult to his intelligence, because, despite your ego, mining is essential while the market for ships, ammo, etc will continue on without "pirate make boom-boom." Plenty of idiots still doing PvP or blowing themselves in complexs/ratting/mission running/whatever.
So, really, if you're going to call someone stupid. Be right. It's much less embarrassing.
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Bleys Vontagen
Gallente
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Landrassa
And as a miner it is my duty to stop those damn rocks from growing all the time and give the ore inside a chance to roam the universe as a battleship some day. You're keeping the poor ore down....you're..... The Man(tm) 
Anywayz, don't just toss all high-sec miners onto the same heap. Yeah, I got a bit miffed the first time someone took off with my can full of pyro, but it's just one of the things you have to learn to deal with. Ore thieves are as much a part of mining as belt rats and you need to take appropriate measures to defend yourself against them. Acting like an ass after failing to do so has nothing to do with being a miner, and everything to do with being an ass who sits in his barge feeling stupid.
Pretty much. No point in getting whiney and making threats. It's pretty much just petty larceny by kids who don't have the balls to be real pirates and still want a cheap thrill.
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Menod Penter
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:52:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Bleys Vontagen
....It's pretty much just petty larceny by kids who don't have the balls to be real pirates and still want a cheap thrill.
Excuse me(nod).... but as a professional thief I can assure you that it's not "petty larceny". I have made countless billions from theft alone... which has been invested in the market to make me(nod) a self sufficient entity. Please get you facts straight before posting such rubbish, thank you.
Have a Nice Day :)
Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.03.17 03:11:00 -
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pff i spent a week ore theiving and had 17 corperations threaten to wardec mine.. to be perfectly honest i think carebears deserve it and shouldnt **** around in high sec and come out to low sec like real players rather than having sissy fits every time someone touches "their" ore.. as far as im concerned it is everyone's ore... you just moved it off the rock.
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Niina
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.17 06:12:00 -
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Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.03.17 07:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Niina
Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
Yaar!
Making real isk by ore theft requires skills and planning too. Sure you can just steal a little ore and be an ore thief, but is that gonna put antimatter hybrid ammunition on the table?
And I don't see how "low risk" mining has anything to do with the screwed up mineral market... Unless you are saying tritanium should cost more, like 5 isk per unit. Low end minerals are at highs currently, how is the fact that they are easily mined driving up the cost?
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Niina
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.17 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
Originally by: Niina
Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
Yaar!
Making real isk by ore theft requires skills and planning too. Sure you can just steal a little ore and be an ore thief, but is that gonna put antimatter hybrid ammunition on the table?
And I don't see how "low risk" mining has anything to do with the screwed up mineral market... Unless you are saying tritanium should cost more, like 5 isk per unit. Low end minerals are at highs currently, how is the fact that they are easily mined driving up the cost?
Its not the price of them, but more the quanties of them, how often do you see sell order for more than say 25M units of tritanium in one spot? since everyone can mine it whitout a risk theres allways just few invidual and no "group activity" behind it. if it was low sec only there would be allways better quanties avaible since no-one would dare to mine some AFK veld in a hauler and put it up for sale. And to note theres plenty of other ore types in empire space too that can be mined whitout risk than just veldaspar :) im happy to pay 3isk/unit for tritanium if its really worth it (as it would be if mined in low sec) but for someone doing it AFK in jita? nope, 3isk is way too much for it.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade
I have no problem with "honorable" Ore Thieving, but there are some P U S S Y Ore Thieves out there.
All the posts above don't reference this method so props to you ore thieves who don't do the below.
Ore Thief Main flips a jet can into their own jet can, and warps away (we've found this ore thief also uses warp stabs in his frig which makes this guy even more sad).
Then either another NPC corp member or alt shows up to haul the flip can away while the main ore thief is sitting cowering in a station.
Do any of you condone this way of thieving? There is no chance to fight back.
First of all, it's a good idea. I have no problem with it.
Second, FFS stop trying to evade the damn filters. They're there for a reason and I hope you get banned for thinking you're above moderation. If I want to say something like that I go ahead and say it, and let it get filtered. People will know what it says. Bypassing filters is going to get you banned and frankly I'll be glad when that happens.
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Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows.
Fixed it. Happy? 
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.17 12:24:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Niina
Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
Originally by: Niina
Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
Yaar!
Making real isk by ore theft requires skills and planning too. Sure you can just steal a little ore and be an ore thief, but is that gonna put antimatter hybrid ammunition on the table?
And I don't see how "low risk" mining has anything to do with the screwed up mineral market... Unless you are saying tritanium should cost more, like 5 isk per unit. Low end minerals are at highs currently, how is the fact that they are easily mined driving up the cost?
Its not the price of them, but more the quanties of them, how often do you see sell order for more than say 25M units of tritanium in one spot? since everyone can mine it whitout a risk theres allways just few invidual and no "group activity" behind it. if it was low sec only there would be allways better quanties avaible since no-one would dare to mine some AFK veld in a hauler and put it up for sale. And to note theres plenty of other ore types in empire space too that can be mined whitout risk than just veldaspar :) im happy to pay 3isk/unit for tritanium if its really worth it (as it would be if mined in low sec) but for someone doing it AFK in jita? nope, 3isk is way too much for it.
So...you'd rather pay more for minerals if it was harder to get for the miner? Okay...suit yourself.
But you can't possibly take asteroid belts out of high sec. A lot of newbies get their first good amount of ISK mining. I did. Killing those cheap pirate automatons in the training complexes doesn't pay well, and there are already a million others doing it. At least there are a million rocks to mine, not just ten like the bots.
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Don't add a pool to sell a house. Fix the windows.
Fixed it. Happy?
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Kha0s
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 03:03:00 -
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Although I'm a little ashamed to admit it, I have been doing this more and more recently. Well, not exactly theiving the ore, more of can flipping as a means to gain agro. I suppose it's a little unfair to pick on the miner's, as they aren't exactly kitted out for combat, but I have had many of them come back in a fully equiped ships, and had quite a few decent fights out of it.
I've just been flying about in a throwaway frig, targetting the people I see with jet cans out. They can't really complain however, if they don't want people to steal, their ore, they should put it in secure containers. Even if they don't want to protect their ore in that way, they don't have to attack me. They could sit there for 30 seconds and do nothing, chances are I would get bored and warp off, leaving them to their ore.
I did buy a hauler recently with the intention of stealing some ore, but it's never in large enough quantities to be worth it really. For the most part, it's more fun just shooting them. I had a really good opportunity to make a decent amount of isk today though, when I see a omen / retriver duo with almost 3 jet cans full of ore. I flipped the omen's can, just to see his response. He attacked me almost instantly, firing away with his single civilian weapon. Needless to say he was dead about 30 seconds later. I tried the same with the Retriever, only this time, it didn't go as planned. After flipping the can, I saw his combat drones pop out, he had my shields and a good portion of my armor down almost instantly. A little dismayed, I warped off. I was intending to greab my badger at this point, stick a decent tank on it, and set about taking his hard earned minerals.
That's not exactly what happened though, instead, I returned to the belt in my frigate to find he had swapped the ore I stole before hand back to a container of his own. We can't be having that, so I flipped it back. F1, F2, F3. Pop. He just lost half of his ore. The drones came out again, but I warped to a spot I had bookmarked 150km off the belt before they could do any real damage. As soon as I came out of warp, i was back in again, heading for the belt. Flipped the other can, pop. Same with the last.
In the end, I didn't make any profit, but it did provide some excitement between the times where the system is devoid of any war targets. I'm sure he didn't see the funny side of it though. I wonder how long it took him to mine...
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Qolde
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.18 07:57:00 -
[74]
It's pretty fun, and it does take a little skill if you want to get real money from it.
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Psorion
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Posted - 2007.03.18 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade
I have no problem with "honorable" Ore Thieving, but there are some P U S S Y Ore Thieves out there.
All the posts above don't reference this method so props to you ore thieves who don't do the below.
Ore Thief Main flips a jet can into their own jet can, and warps away (we've found this ore thief also uses warp stabs in his frig which makes this guy even more sad).
Then either another NPC corp member or alt shows up to haul the flip can away while the main ore thief is sitting cowering in a station.
Do any of you condone this way of thieving? There is no chance to fight back.
So whats the problem, flip the can back to your own can and wait for them to come and try to take it. Sounds like your more 'afraid' then they are.
BTW.. Dont use the P word in vain.. Its one of my favorite words to say slowly...
"Hey baby, give me some of that..."
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:43:00 -
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Ah, the beauty of the system. Being able to take it and run, the entire point. When I robbed macro miners, you could take 10000 m3 per trip back to station. Then come back and find them for another 10k. Yeah, the only people with the problem are too lazy to set up security measures (But energetic enough to ***** about it) or they simply don't understand. Either way, not my damn problem.
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Atsuko Yamamoto
Caldari
The Nietzian Way
Peons of Doom
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Posted - 2007.03.19 19:51:00 -
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Ore thievery is working as intended IMO. This coming from someone who has an industrial alt and does lots of the damn rock chewing. If the miner doesn't have a guard, that's his risk. Though if he does ore thieves would be prudent to check the can's owner, just in case he finds that the can belonged not to the covetor but the HAC sitting next to him...
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto
Ore thievery is working as intended IMO. This coming from someone who has an industrial alt and does lots of the damn rock chewing. If the miner doesn't have a guard, that's his risk. Though if he does ore thieves would be prudent to check the can's owner, just in case he finds that the can belonged not to the covetor but the HAC sitting next to him...
a guard ? a thief can jump in, take the ore and move out, before your supposed guard would even have him locked.
my only real problem with ore thiefs is that thieving ore is to easy. the fact this game might mostly be a PVP game doesnt mean EVERYTHING should lead to it. ive seen a few people leave because some people in elite ships taking ore from a new player over and over again.. what did you do ? you won.. maybe 1K ore, and made a few people leave
the secure cans are simply to small, and jet cans are simply not save enougn. and taking back "your" ore will only lead to certain death
the thing is that in low sec you can lock/shoot whatever.. anything that enters the belt you have a opp in, while in high sec, you might have a false sence of safety, but even a guard wont keep anyone from taking your ore. and as theft is practicly legal, they can take it jump to station and cool down for 15 minutes to let the timer wear of and go at it again.
while you might be stealing for the "supposed" carebears, i cant find a more carebear way of being a pirate then the 99% failsafe ore thiefen, tricking newbs into flagging hostile.. etc.
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Donna Maria
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Donna Maria on 20/03/2007 14:14:40
Originally by: Darqion Zenix
Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto
Ore thievery is working as intended IMO. This coming from someone who has an industrial alt and does lots of the damn rock chewing. If the miner doesn't have a guard, that's his risk. Though if he does ore thieves would be prudent to check the can's owner, just in case he finds that the can belonged not to the covetor but the HAC sitting next to him...
a guard ? a thief can jump in, take the ore and move out, before your supposed guard would even have him locked.
my only real problem with ore thiefs is that thieving ore is to easy. the fact this game might mostly be a PVP game doesnt mean EVERYTHING should lead to it. ive seen a few people leave because some people in elite ships taking ore from a new player over and over again.. what did you do ? you won.. maybe 1K ore, and made a few people leave
the secure cans are simply to small, and jet cans are simply not save enougn. and taking back "your" ore will only lead to certain death
the thing is that in low sec you can lock/shoot whatever.. anything that enters the belt you have a opp in, while in high sec, you might have a false sence of safety, but even a guard wont keep anyone from taking your ore. and as theft is practicly legal, they can take it jump to station and cool down for 15 minutes to let the timer wear of and go at it again.
while you might be stealing for the "supposed" carebears, i cant find a more carebear way of being a pirate then the 99% failsafe ore thiefen, tricking newbs into flagging hostile.. etc.
Bah! If you steal my ore you will be scrammed and webbed and my corp will ransom your pod.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:26:00 -
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Quote:
Bah! If you steal my ore you will be scrammed and webbed and my corp will ransom your pod.
well i for one am not keeping attention to my mining lasers as they slowly eat away some ore. im sure some people enjoying watching every incomming and outgoing person in a belt etc, but its not that exiting imo.
we did catch a few ore thiefs a few times, but once they know what they are doing there is little, very little you can do about it
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix
<snip>the fact this game might mostly be a PVP game doesnt mean EVERYTHING should lead to it. ive seen a few people leave because some people in elite ships taking ore from a new player over and over again.</snip>
Sorry but mining per se *IS* PvP unless you bunker your ore 'till the end of EVE. So it seems reasonable that getting your *free* mins together may include at least some risk like everything else in EVE.
You think ore stealing is too easy? Well yes - to steal from a T1 mining bardge solo-mining in a jetcan is easy (and personally I believe that any such miner is a personified invitation for robbery).
If an alert hauler waits aside that very jetcan it's almost impossible. And if that can is a secure can it is definetly impossible (if you don't forget to password-protect). I am not even mentioning combat ships covering your ass.
You get my drift? If you want water-proof secure mining you'll have to co-operate in one way or another. It's like flying World's Collide Level 4. Wanna fly it solo with only medium skills? Better prepare to die.
So in a nutshell: ore thieving IMO totally fits into EVE's balancing scheme.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:43:00 -
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yes but the proiblem there as in the fact.. i know that, you know that.. VERY new players dont, and lets not forget secure cans fill up in a handfull of minutes only
not every mining session can (ok it can but its not that reasonable to expect) with full corp backup. especially newer players wanna be able to mine some just to get some cash, but in my last corp someone could not mind atall because someone decided to move all the ore around in his own can. he wasnt even planning on taking the ore, just griefing people dumb enough to take it back. its THERE where the problem is
buttt i got no troubles with this myself. i have a hauling alt most the time, and am starting to look into secure cans, altho their size makes me cry
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix
yes but the proiblem there as in the fact.. i know that, you know that.. VERY new players dont, and lets not forget secure cans fill up in a handfull of minutes only
not every mining session can (ok it can but its not that reasonable to expect) with full corp backup. especially newer players wanna be able to mine some just to get some cash, but in my last corp someone could not mind atall because someone decided to move all the ore around in his own can. he wasnt even planning on taking the ore, just griefing people dumb enough to take it back. its THERE where the problem is
buttt i got no troubles with this myself. i have a hauling alt most the time, and am starting to look into secure cans, altho their size makes me cry
You want a security blanket for beginners? OK. So shouldn't newbies running missions get a security blanket as well? Like NPCs only dealing 50% damage. And what about traders? Shouldn't their haulers have like 40.000 HP ... just in case? And while we're at it: let CONCORD blow up any player with a weird ship name ... </irony>
Sorry but I find your argument rather weak. Most people are surprisingly quick learners when you give 'em a hard time.
Haven't met a say Retriever pilot yet who did try to kill my Punisher with just 5 T1 med drones more than once for example.
Yeah it's annoying getting robbed - I can see that. Yet there's no reason that would justify to ease a specific career.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:46:00 -
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The same old "I want 100% security" arguement. It's not that we're stealing that irritates them, it's that we (other players to them) are PROFITTING from the theft. They wouldn't be so ****ed if rats flew by and blew them the eff up. But, if I flew by and blew them up, now they have a face in thier head that they can focus all that anger on. It's not just some NPC, but "that motherf--- Silver, you SOB, I ******* hate you!" Repression and redirection.
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.20 18:46:00 -
[85]
Lots of confusion here. I hope I can clear a few things up. I fly around high sec (mostly in heimatar/metropolis plying my trade). Here comes the low down on agro based on your situation :)
1) A player cannot put things into a can that belongs to another player UNLESS that player is in their gang, has a high enough positive standing with them, or is in their corp.
2) The mere act of opening a can will not cause agro. However, If you look inside the can, click one of the contents and drag it somewhere else in the can you are now aggressed. (you may not even drag it from its spot, but if you attempt to click and drag you are now aggressed.
I spend a lot of my free time wandering empire in my hauler, hopefuly I've cleared things up, as there is no way besides you accidentally trying to move something in your attackers can that he would have agro on you.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gruxella
Lots of confusion here. I hope I can clear a few things up. I fly around high sec (mostly in heimatar/metropolis plying my trade). Here comes the low down on agro based on your situation :)
1) A player cannot put things into a can that belongs to another player UNLESS that player is in their gang, has a high enough positive standing with them, or is in their corp.
2) The mere act of opening a can will not cause agro. However, If you look inside the can, click one of the contents and drag it somewhere else in the can you are now aggressed. (you may not even drag it from its spot, but if you attempt to click and drag you are now aggressed.
I spend a lot of my free time wandering empire in my hauler, hopefuly I've cleared things up, as there is no way besides you accidentally trying to move something in your attackers can that he would have agro on you.
And it's those rules that let me steal. *Wipes away a tear* Thank you....*sob*.....thank you CCP....
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:55:00 -
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If you know there is an ore thief operating in the high sec belts you are mining why dont you:
Have someone in a PvP fitted ship drop the tin(s) you are mining into.
And when they steal from this person... boom, no more ore thief.
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Kha0s
Privateers
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:01:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Kha0s on 20/03/2007 20:58:04
And that's the reason why I show info on the can to see who it belongs to before I touch it. if they've left it unattended, it get's flipped and blown up anyway. I don't have any use for 10k veld to be honest.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:32:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Sphynix
If you know there is an ore thief operating in the high sec belts you are mining why dont you:
Have someone in a PvP fitted ship drop the tin(s) you are mining into.
And when they steal from this person... boom, no more ore thief.
Well, one reason is that it is possible to grab a jet can with a hauler without much risk of target locking and scrambling before the hauler warps off.
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happymappy
Amarr
BloodBath 'N Beyond
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:58:00 -
[90]
Edited by: happymappy on 20/03/2007 22:56:16
Originally by: UnAlT
oh you stupid little kids , u under estimate the poor miner .... where do you think u get your minerals to build your ships ? or to make the ammo...?? i'd love to see all the miners stop mining, the builders to stop building ...u'll have 3 "options" :
1.start mining so u can build new ships (and when that will happen , we'll come and steal your ore)
2.beg us to go back and mine/build
3.fight with your pod's .... bumping pod's .
the miner is the one that keeps that universe running ....no miners--->no minerals--->no ships/ammo/mods--->no YOU !
Wrong 3 hours in 0.0 = tier two bs or 2 tier one's hell miners are important but im preaty sure i could get buy without them, as long as some1 makes me my t2 mods im happy
(edit beacause it wasnt to clear i reprosess loot to make things) 
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