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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:57:00 -
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*Sticks a bulls-eye sign on his back*
So......I've been curious, what's the problem with ore thieving?
Thieving = A Form of Piracy
This I understand, it just seems they get a lot more flak than standard pew-pew pirates.
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:03:00 -
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i dont know... 
 Originally by: Merkanas
To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun. 
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Darcy Killar
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:06:00 -
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I donno we don't get much flak... And we steal ore just to get you mad so we can blow you up...
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:15:00 -
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Well, I don't do it so much for that, more to get the ore for my manufacturing buddy. A hauler with a cargo cap of 10k can get a good bit into a station. That is, if you're running back and forth between belts fast enough.
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Jei'son Bladesmith
Caldari
Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:20:00 -
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I think the miners get upset because a lot of miners stick to hi-sec because its safer, but ore-theiving is the one form of piracy thats actually EASIER in high-sec; in low sec somebody shows up near your mining op a gangmate can blast em, in high-sec even if you KNOW they're an ore-thief there ain't a damned thing you can do until he actually steals your ore, and even only you and corpmates can shoot, AND if the thief knows what he's doing its still tough to stop him. Having spent many a night orejacking macros, I developed a very effective technique, if I BM a jetcan beforehand and am careful about my warp-in vector, I can warp in, nab the can, and warp out within seconds. Executed properly the miner/corpmates dont have time to lock much less open fire.
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Paul Steelman
Amarr
Soubeyran Family Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:36:00 -
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The problem with ore thieving is that we take what they think is theirs. They feel entitled to it.
Last night I had some fool with quite an attitude convo me about my thievery. The way he talked to me made him seem like he thought I was a ten-year-old. He asked me "Do you know what hinder means, little booyyyy?"
I intend to return and continue stealing, despite his threats of uber "alternates" (doesn't abbreviate that fsr) that would kill me.
Of course then he'd be hindering that mining operation that he cares so much about. Either way he loses, though I don't necessarily win.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:39:00 -
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Because it takes no skill; as much as I hate gate campers, they atleast shoot you when you're down, and there are ways to get away. Ore Thieves are like that fat kid who steals your lunch. You can try and fight back in your mining barge, but they will just walk off to eat your food.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:43:00 -
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Paul,
You mean, he got mad enough he threatened to kill you? You better back off then, don't you know that contributing to the delinquency of a *miner* is illegal?
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Darcy Killar
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Sheath
Well, I don't do it so much for that, more to get the ore for my manufacturing buddy. A hauler with a cargo cap of 10k can get a good bit into a station. That is, if you're running back and forth between belts fast enough.
We do that too so that my alt can make cheap ships for my corp. More mins in the corp hanger means cheaper ships!!
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Lal QelThyr
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:51:00 -
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Which means more suicidal raids on Battleships and Battlecruisers
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Paul Steelman
Amarr
Soubeyran Family Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shiva Shane
Paul,
You mean, he got mad enough he threatened to kill you? You better back off then, don't you know that contributing to the delinquency of a *miner* is illegal?
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:55:00 -
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It was intended to be humorous, never mind then.
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Lal QelThyr
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:00:00 -
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I think that the destruction of ore rocks is wrong. Thus I liberate that which has been mined and return it to its natural enviroment. Sometime. Its probably gonna get blown up into a wreck in a astroib belt, it can find its own way from there
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jex Jast on 12/03/2007 19:59:38
Originally by: Shiva Shane
It was intended to be humorous, never mind then.
I know, I just didn't get it.
It went like this:
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.....^that's my head
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Darcy Killar
Originally by: Silver Sheath
Well, I don't do it so much for that, more to get the ore for my manufacturing buddy. A hauler with a cargo cap of 10k can get a good bit into a station. That is, if you're running back and forth between belts fast enough.
We do that too so that my alt can make cheap ships for my corp. More mins in the corp hanger means cheaper ships!!
Yeah! Easiest thing for a "real" pirate to do is get BPCs of all your standard equipment, steal enough ore for a million (or so :) ) of each, and then you can steal so you can steal some more! Then you can steal even more! And guess what THAt leads to!?!?!?!?
Thief + Ore = Ore Thief + New guns = Pirate + More Ore = Better Pirate = Better Thief + More Ore = Better Ore Thief + Single Malt Liquor = Me
Er.........yeah
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:09:00 -
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Hehe, when we mention a "mining op" in our corp, it means finding a barge and stealing the ore. It's so much faster (and more fun).
The reason it gets so much flak is people feel safe in hisec, and they get all ****y when something happens to them. Boo-frickity-hoo. You'll see an equal number of complaints against hisec ganking and Privateers.
As a member of the Asteroid Rights Group it is my duty to stop the evil miners from stripping the environment bare. 
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:35:00 -
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I just feel bad for those haulers, they are so overworked. And those poor jetcans wake up every morning to some guys stuffing things into his......ore-ifices... We must save these abused pieces of equipment.....and the ore too.....yeah....thats good
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
As a member of the Asteroid Rights Group it is my duty to stop the evil miners from stripping the environment bare.
I too am a member of ARG ;)
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 23:46:00 -
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i actually dont steal it but just put the ore in my can and blow it up while they can look at it, its just so much more fun they actually did all their work for nothing except for my pleasure to blow it up. they still dont realize that smacking me for that brings even more joy into my life
Originally by: Merkanas
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.13 00:27:00 -
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Ah, theres that nasty line between griefing and stealing XD
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Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2007.03.13 01:27:00 -
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Pffff honestly, who cares if the miner gets PO'd thats the whole dam point, hell I do it half the time for the great convos in local afterwards
Plus yeah like someone said, easy way to get minirals, lot more fun than just buyin it
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UnAlT
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:01:00 -
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oh you stupid little kids , u under estimate the poor miner .... where do you think u get your minerals to build your ships ? or to make the ammo...?? i'd love to see all the miners stop mining, the builders to stop building ...u'll have 3 "options" :
1.start mining so u can build new ships (and when that will happen , we'll come and steal your ore)
2.beg us to go back and mine/build
3.fight with your pod's .... bumping pod's .
the miner is the one that keeps that universe running ....no miners--->no minerals--->no ships/ammo/mods--->no YOU ! 
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Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: UnAlT
oh you stupid little kids , u under estimate the poor miner .... where do you think u get your minerals to build your ships ? or to make the ammo...?? i'd love to see all the miners stop mining, the builders to stop building ...u'll have 3 "options" :
1.start mining so u can build new ships (and when that will happen , we'll come and steal your ore)
2.beg us to go back and mine/build
3.fight with your pod's .... bumping pod's .
the miner is the one that keeps that universe running ....no miners--->no minerals--->no ships/ammo/mods--->no YOU !
Yeah well I'd love for all pirates to stop piratin for a week and watch what happens to the market, without ships goin BOOM theres no people buyin replacements or new equipment, hence mining for minerals would pretty soon be pointless
no pirates to keep the economy runnin = no POINT to minin
Think a little harder next time before ya try to act smart
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Lal QelThyr
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:20:00 -
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Good thing that with the ore we "mine" *cough steal* we build replacement ships
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:40:00 -
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WCS II and cheap cargo expanders and a blaser. You can get away when you have to, get a good chunk of their ore and shoot back and destroy them is some poor soul decides to take you on.
Also, get someone in a noob corp to get in your gang and flip the can, then just use a regular hualler fitted for max capacity to empty it, i also suggest going after macros and isk farmers, sometimes you can sit there and just take from their can all day without them noticeing.
Ice is also very profitable.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:36:00 -
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As a miner and an Ore Thief I find nothing wrong with Ore Thieving. Sometimes you see an AFK miner and need to bring them into your stable. You got to tell that -----, "-- I don't love you, where is my scrodite?" And then they respond, "I'm with a pimp!" Then you gotta tell em, "-----! Where is that mark --- trick now? If he was a real pimp, then he would be watching over you, --! Gimme my scratch!" If they give you trouble, sometimes you gotta smack em. Hit em in the stomach, you don't want to bruise the face. Also, take your rings off first, they cause too much damage. Now if they keep causing trouble, like trying to hide some ore on you, then you gotta take a wingtip shoe to their ---.
But yeah, ore theft ain't easy. Too many scandelous AFK --s!
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Landrassa
Astral Resource Cartel
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Posted - 2007.03.13 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Hehe, when we mention a "mining op" in our corp, it means finding a barge and stealing the ore. It's so much faster (and more fun).
The reason it gets so much flak is people feel safe in hisec, and they get all ****y when something happens to them. Boo-frickity-hoo. You'll see an equal number of complaints against hisec ganking and Privateers.
As a member of the Asteroid Rights Group it is my duty to stop the evil miners from stripping the environment bare.
And as a miner it is my duty to stop those damn rocks from growing all the time and give the ore inside a chance to roam the universe as a battleship some day. You're keeping the poor ore down....you're..... The Man(tm) 
Anywayz, don't just toss all high-sec miners onto the same heap. Yeah, I got a bit miffed the first time someone took off with my can full of pyro, but it's just one of the things you have to learn to deal with. Ore thieves are as much a part of mining as belt rats and you need to take appropriate measures to defend yourself against them. Acting like an ass after failing to do so has nothing to do with being a miner, and everything to do with being an ass who sits in his barge feeling stupid.
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Vogon
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Posted - 2007.03.13 09:40:00 -
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There are ore thieves and there are ore removal artists...
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Galaxy Punks
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:38:00 -
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Haven't mined in empire for a long time. Even when I did secure giant cans are the only way to go.
However I thought with the kill rights that was added to the game, that would be the end to ore theives.
Seems I was wrong...
I thought the kill rights went to the entire corp? Granted if it's to a sole person then only an uber miner would be able to take on an indy pilot in a mining barge or semi ratting/mining setup ship.
For those that don't mine direct into a giant can - You are a fool. Giant sec can prices are.... pretty much fixed so it's an investment that can pay itself off over time, and not that long a time either. The real isk is getting giant sec cans up to 0.0 though.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:07:00 -
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I was under the impression the entire corp gets kill rights. The player is criminally flagged to their Corp, so that;s how it should work.
The exception being NPC corps.
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Darcy Killar
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Haven't mined in empire for a long time. Even when I did secure giant cans are the only way to go.
However I thought with the kill rights that was added to the game, that would be the end to ore thieves.
Seems I was wrong...
I thought the kill rights went to the entire corp? Granted if it's to a sole person then only an uber miner would be able to take on an indy pilot in a mining barge or semi ratting/mining setup ship.
The whole corp gets agg on you when you steal from a members jet can (excluding NPC ones) However most people don't fight back. Why? Well a cheap fit (Pvp) on a T1 frig can down any T1 barge in seconds. I decked out Itty V or Badger Mk II can take down a barge. See the thing is, barges are weak. So why risk you 10-40 mil investment over 1 can I pyro?
There are the few that bring in reinforcements. And the other day I saw a mining op guarded by and Enyo and two Drakes... In high sec. Guess we are making them nervous.
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Jase Sola
Amarr
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:47:00 -
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Ok, so I have a question to ask.... Does it count as stealing ore when you stick it in your can from their's and then blow your can up? Or is that just regulating the EVE ore market by screwing over jet can miners?
Also, I got a war decced on my corp for that... and blowing up a hauler.... and having one of their friends get concordukkened cause they didn't have revenge on me and tried to get it anyway...
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:22:00 -
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As I've said before, ore thieves make jetmining possible. If using a can like that didnt open you to thieves, then CCP would have probably nerfed the can size. But instead, I can yank 10k m3 of the ore from a 27k can, so they dont bother. (Most people don't manage to fill them that much though)
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Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jase Sola
Ok, so I have a question to ask.... Does it count as stealing ore when you stick it in your can from their's and then blow your can up? Or is that just regulating the EVE ore market by screwing over jet can miners?
Also, I got a war decced on my corp for that... and blowing up a hauler.... and having one of their friends get concordukkened cause they didn't have revenge on me and tried to get it anyway...
I only do that as a last resort and I cant get the ore back to a station.
And congrats on the war dec, I bet it was alot more fun for you than them ;)
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Jaymine
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:51:00 -
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Oh man, if you guys really want to get some flack go steal ore in Gulfondi, I have been doing it the last few days and the carebears there take it VERY personal.
I have been called so many things in local that I cannot remember all of them, I'm a 10 year old, my mommies gone and im on the computer, lots of bad mom jokes etc. etc.
They litterly smack local the entire time I am there stealing ore, one of them even hired a MERC to quote "take me out" lmao, its great fun for any ore theif, come down sometime and help me run all the miners out of there, plenty of barges!
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Niton Stormrider
HCD
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Posted - 2007.03.13 21:47:00 -
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*shakes head* oh, my poor fellow miners, raising a ruckus about ore thievery. As if EvE wasn't a PvP game for crying out loud! When you jetcan mine, ore thieving happens. Most of the time it doesn't even dent a miner's profits anyway, unless you gank his ore in an Indy. Last time a pirate rolled up to my can in a frigate and stole a hundred m3 of scord, I patted him on the head, transfered a million to his account and told him to buy a REAL ship.
Empire mining would be even more boring without ore thieves. Hell, I love 'em, they keep me awake. :) That said, real miners do it in lowsec. Cuz if you don't have to dodge 35 pirates and 5 scan probes to bring the ore home, where's the fun?
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 01:15:00 -
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ow u know whats fun too, go in a 0.5 system, look for some retriever that mines with his drones too, wait till the rats show up and bump the retriever so he cant warp and dies.
then steal his can :p
my caracal just got popped while typing this 
Originally by: Merkanas
To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun. |
nikhan
Amarr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.14 01:18:00 -
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I love ore thieving. Especially from the miners that do nothing when you take their stuff. We just flip the cans and I jump in my bestower and start hauling away. Hell, Id do it for a few hours if it means cheaper ships for the corp :)
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Devian 666
Ocean Dynamics
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.14 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Niton Stormrider
*shakes head* oh, my poor fellow miners, raising a ruckus about ore thievery. As if EvE wasn't a PvP game for crying out loud! When you jetcan mine, ore thieving happens. Most of the time it doesn't even dent a miner's profits anyway, unless you gank his ore in an Indy. Last time a pirate rolled up to my can in a frigate and stole a hundred m3 of scord, I patted him on the head, transfered a million to his account and told him to buy a REAL ship.
Empire mining would be even more boring without ore thieves. Hell, I love 'em, they keep me awake. :) That said, real miners do it in lowsec. Cuz if you don't have to dodge 35 pirates and 5 scan probes to bring the ore home, where's the fun?
The ore thieves stealing low volumes just haven't worked out the mechanics.
Often I've flipped a can just to be flagged. Some of the more daring farmers have stolen the ore back with an itty 5. It can be stolen back with align and steal. A while later I switched to flip can and tow with a tractor beam while running a mwd. An itty 5 with expanders has trouble chasing a can flying at 300 m/s.
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Rick Essence
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.14 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
An itty 5 with expanders has trouble chasing a can flying at 300 m/s.
That is just twisted and evil. You are a sick man.
I salute you sir!
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.14 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
I switched to flip can and tow with a tractor beam while running a mwd. An itty 5 with expanders has trouble chasing a can flying at 300 m/s.
Ah that's great...
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil
ow u know whats fun too, go in a 0.5 system, look for some retriever that mines with his drones too, wait till the rats show up and bump the retriever so he cant warp and dies.
then steal his can :p
my caracal just got popped while typing this
Dambit you made me laugh now everyone in the office is looking at me...
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:51:00 -
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Actually the other night i watched someone bumping a macro miner's hauler for about 30 mins and got him stuck. That was funny as hell.
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Ohoboho
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Posted - 2007.03.15 09:41:00 -
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Heheh. Mine 2 cans of hemo. Leave them. Wait in hext sistem for someone to steal. Jump. Warp to station. Pop him. Take back the ore and wait for another one :)
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Misanth
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Posted - 2007.03.15 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Because it takes no skill; as much as I hate gate campers, they atleast shoot you when you're down, and there are ways to get away. Ore Thieves are like that fat kid who steals your lunch. You can try and fight back in your mining barge, but they will just walk off to eat your food.
You got a point.
When I started EvE I had no clue where to start, didn't know anything about the game system, what skills to get, whether to run missions or just rat or mine, and/or when/how you could do to be a successful pirate, etc. I found out the most simple way to make money fast was to learn amarr industrial 1 and to steal/haul ore, so I did. Also tried some basic bookmark schemes, selling bookmarks was quite lucrative back then.
My point being the same as the post I quoted; it's too damn easy. Would be nice if there was some kind of added security by, for example, adding a 5sec timer to 'open' a can that doesn't belong to you.
I still consider this a very fun way of pirating for new players so it'd be sad if it was killed, and seriously don't understand why they get such a bashing - but yeah, it's too easy, give the poor miner some way of defending themselves. ;)
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Serret Nevets
Puppets on Steroids
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:10:00 -
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Make it harder? Give me a break. If miner's don't want to get their stuff pinched, they shouldn't mine into jetcans. It's really that simple. You're just another carebear wanting to make the game easier for you and your kind. Blah ---throws up into the toilet---
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Korethius
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:13:00 -
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Hee, hee, Im new here and this sounds interesting
Couple of questions tho if I may:
i) Is a jetcan not a secure container?
ii) How do you know if its a jetcan?
iii) How do you know if someone is macro mining, or afk?
iv) Can u unanchor and scoop secure containers?
Cheers
Zeke
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Korethius
Hee, hee, Im new here and this sounds interesting
Couple of questions tho if I may:
i) Is a jetcan not a secure container?
ii) How do you know if its a jetcan?
iii) How do you know if someone is macro mining, or afk?
iv) Can u unanchor and scoop secure containers?
Cheers
Zeke
1. No, anyone can open it.
2. It'll show up on your overview.
3. They say nothing, have names like abc3 or facexxx
4. Not when anchored
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Serret Nevets
Make it harder? Give me a break. If miner's don't want to get their stuff pinched, they shouldn't mine into jetcans. It's really that simple. You're just another carebear wanting to make the game easier for you and your kind. Blah ---throws up into the toilet---
I would like to elaborate on this point by stressing the fact that it already was made harder. They didn't have the flagging when I joined Eve, and that was fine by me, but then again, I was the theif. When they added it, I was fine with that; the miners got their way through much whining and are now allowed to shoot the thieves.
You've already gotten your chance to fight back people. Use it and don't whine for more.
It's like people whining for more pirate nerfs even though they got their damn gate guns already...
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
My point being the same as the post I quoted; it's too damn easy. Would be nice if there was some kind of added security by, for example, adding a 5sec timer to 'open' a can that doesn't belong to you.
No skills? Too easy? You obviously haven't met someone who turned it into an art form.
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Serret Nevets
Make it harder? Give me a break. If miner's don't want to get their stuff pinched, they shouldn't mine into jetcans. It's really that simple. You're just another carebear wanting to make the game easier for you and your kind. Blah ---throws up into the toilet---
Exactly. BTW where a the pre-RMR miner whiners now?
You got the criminal flagging system to have a chance fighting ore thiefs. But instead you still prefer sitting in NPC corps mining in jetcans.
Co-operation is the key. Get a player corp, get a hauler, get protection.
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Ebusitanus
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:03:00 -
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Instead of hunting n00bs in high sec for a cheap thrill maybe the real thieves should do the whole community a service and hunt for Chinese farmers types but I guess hunting the big boys is to hard.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:32:00 -
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Easy or hard, big or small, I've never really thought the nationality of the player made any differences to the purpose of my activities.
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Ebusitanus
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.16 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shiva Shane
Easy or hard, big or small, I've never really thought the nationality of the player made any differences to the purpose of my activities.
Extra points for quick political correctness score win, check!
Now, since you know what I meant, any inteligent reply?
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 15:19:00 -
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Sure, the reply was part of my original, but not that obvious, here it is more obviously:
Easy or hard, big or small, I hunt what I hunt. If the person happens to be chinese or any other nationality makes no difference to me.
In other words, no, I'm not afraid to go against the "big boys".
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.03.16 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Because it takes no skill; as much as I hate gate campers, they atleast shoot you when you're down, and there are ways to get away. Ore Thieves are like that fat kid who steals your lunch. You can try and fight back in your mining barge, but they will just walk off to eat your food.
You got a point.
When I started EvE I had no clue where to start, didn't know anything about the game system, what skills to get, whether to run missions or just rat or mine, and/or when/how you could do to be a successful pirate, etc. I found out the most simple way to make money fast was to learn amarr industrial 1 and to steal/haul ore, so I did. Also tried some basic bookmark schemes, selling bookmarks was quite lucrative back then.
My point being the same as the post I quoted; it's too damn easy. Would be nice if there was some kind of added security by, for example, adding a 5sec timer to 'open' a can that doesn't belong to you.
I still consider this a very fun way of pirating for new players so it'd be sad if it was killed, and seriously don't understand why they get such a bashing - but yeah, it's too easy, give the poor miner some way of defending themselves. ;)
Want to know why ore-thieving is easy? Because it is the least efficient way to make isk in Eve. An ore thief jumps into system, then jumps into your belt, what likelyhood is it that your can is going to be full? Well it is on a curve and the curve has y coordinates of time and x coordinates of ship being used. In a Bataam, not dam likely, your thief just stole about 5K of scordite. In an Osprey, ok slightly better odds, but not by much. With a retriever, it still takes you an hour to fill up a can about, so not that likely either. Now when you get to a covetor, yeah maybe it is at a point where they will steal a full to near full can from you frequently, but still, the y (time it takes you to fill a can) coordinate is so small at this point, who cares? It no longer takes a bataam's worth of time to fill up a can. What I am saying is, your profit is not being impacted by ore thieves, they are just a minor cost for doing business.
The only time Ore Thieving is profitable is when the thief runs into a system of jet-can miners with the names "fguisdfgh," "tyfdis," ect... Then you just bookmark all the cans, bookmark a station and warp-to-0 from can, to station, to next can... Repeat it until the AFK miners do something about it. You can make many many millions, in an hour stealing scordite, probably even Veldspar
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.16 16:22:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ebusitanus
Instead of hunting n00bs in high sec for a cheap thrill maybe the real thieves should do the whole community a service and hunt for Chinese farmers types but I guess hunting the big boys is to hard.
Nothing personal, I hate correcting the same person multiple time, but you're proving to have an irritating viewpoint. I'm gonna put this simply, MACRO MINERS ARE EASY AS HELL TO FIND! You apparently have no idea how any of the system works if you don't realize that it is not hard to steal from MACRO miners who ARE NOT AT THE COMPUTER. However, a year old miner with a corp and buddies who can kill you make the theft a little harder. So, just......stop......talking.....if you don't understand.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 16:29:00 -
[58]
If the bantam and osprey miners both mine 'til jetcan is full before hauling it off, if I steal from 10 miners the average can fullness will be 50%, more or less. How fast they extract makes no difference at all, unless I am trying to go back to the same miner for "repeat business".
The average 1/2 jet can per miner is not bad if you ask me.
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.16 16:48:00 -
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The miners never put to as good of use as I can, they should be friggin honored that THIER ore gets to be part of my grand plans!!!! AHHHHHHHAAHAAHAAHAA!
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Maxine Blade
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:04:00 -
[60]
I have no problem with "honorable" Ore Thieving, but there are some P U S S Y Ore Thieves out there.
All the posts above don't reference this method so props to you ore thieves who don't do the below.
Ore Thief Main flips a jet can into their own jet can, and warps away (we've found this ore thief also uses warp stabs in his frig which makes this guy even more sad).
Then either another NPC corp member or alt shows up to haul the flip can away while the main ore thief is sitting cowering in a station.
Do any of you condone this way of thieving? There is no chance to fight back.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 19:07:00 -
[61]
I'd have to say that I am mercenary by nature. I condone the acquisition of wealth.
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Ebusitanus
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.16 22:33:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Crinos Childflayer
The miners never put to as good of use as I can, they should be friggin honored that THIER ore gets to be part of my grand plans!!!! AHHHHHHHAAHAAHAAHAA!
I have to shut so that you can utter this? Yeah...I start to understand where your maturity comes from. Next!
FYI, I was not talking about automated mining but those fellows who sit 16 hours straight at the screen and get paid (not much) for doing that. I¦m sure with your vast experience you must know the difference.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Crinos Childflayer on 16/03/2007 22:44:05
Originally by: Ebusitanus
I have to shut so that you can utter this? Yeah...I start to understand where your maturity comes from. Next!
FYI, I was not talking about automated mining but those fellows who sit 16 hours straight at the screen and get paid (not much) for doing that. I¦m sure with your vast experience you must know the difference.
More education for the masses!!! Psst.....Macro and Chinese are not synonyms.....
Macro = A program written to perform the same actions over and over through the program it was written for. (At least as far as this is concerned)
Chinese = A term for people from China.
See the difference? Btw, how does him sitting in front of the computer for 16 hours mining make him a "big boy"? I just don't understand how the fact that he's Chinese makes him a better (worse? I don't know what you've been trying to say about the Chinese, but I don't like racists) target.
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Bleys Vontagen
Gallente
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:24:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Originally by: UnAlT
oh you stupid little kids , u under estimate the poor miner .... where do you think u get your minerals to build your ships ? or to make the ammo...?? i'd love to see all the miners stop mining, the builders to stop building ...u'll have 3 "options" :
1.start mining so u can build new ships (and when that will happen , we'll come and steal your ore)
2.beg us to go back and mine/build
3.fight with your pod's .... bumping pod's .
the miner is the one that keeps that universe running ....no miners--->no minerals--->no ships/ammo/mods--->no YOU !
Yeah well I'd love for all pirates to stop piratin for a week and watch what happens to the market, without ships goin BOOM theres no people buyin replacements or new equipment, hence mining for minerals would pretty soon be pointless
no pirates to keep the economy runnin = no POINT to minin
Think a little harder next time before ya try to act smart
Kind of a lame comeback, especially as you closed it with an insult to his intelligence, because, despite your ego, mining is essential while the market for ships, ammo, etc will continue on without "pirate make boom-boom." Plenty of idiots still doing PvP or blowing themselves in complexs/ratting/mission running/whatever.
So, really, if you're going to call someone stupid. Be right. It's much less embarrassing.
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Bleys Vontagen
Gallente
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Landrassa
And as a miner it is my duty to stop those damn rocks from growing all the time and give the ore inside a chance to roam the universe as a battleship some day. You're keeping the poor ore down....you're..... The Man(tm)
Anywayz, don't just toss all high-sec miners onto the same heap. Yeah, I got a bit miffed the first time someone took off with my can full of pyro, but it's just one of the things you have to learn to deal with. Ore thieves are as much a part of mining as belt rats and you need to take appropriate measures to defend yourself against them. Acting like an ass after failing to do so has nothing to do with being a miner, and everything to do with being an ass who sits in his barge feeling stupid.
Pretty much. No point in getting whiney and making threats. It's pretty much just petty larceny by kids who don't have the balls to be real pirates and still want a cheap thrill.
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Menod Penter
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bleys Vontagen
....It's pretty much just petty larceny by kids who don't have the balls to be real pirates and still want a cheap thrill.
Excuse me(nod).... but as a professional thief I can assure you that it's not "petty larceny". I have made countless billions from theft alone... which has been invested in the market to make me(nod) a self sufficient entity. Please get you facts straight before posting such rubbish, thank you.
Have a Nice Day :)
Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.03.17 03:11:00 -
[67]
pff i spent a week ore theiving and had 17 corperations threaten to wardec mine.. to be perfectly honest i think carebears deserve it and shouldnt **** around in high sec and come out to low sec like real players rather than having sissy fits every time someone touches "their" ore.. as far as im concerned it is everyone's ore... you just moved it off the rock.
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Niina
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.17 06:12:00 -
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Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.03.17 07:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Niina
Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
Yaar!
Making real isk by ore theft requires skills and planning too. Sure you can just steal a little ore and be an ore thief, but is that gonna put antimatter hybrid ammunition on the table?
And I don't see how "low risk" mining has anything to do with the screwed up mineral market... Unless you are saying tritanium should cost more, like 5 isk per unit. Low end minerals are at highs currently, how is the fact that they are easily mined driving up the cost?
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Niina
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.17 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
Originally by: Niina
Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
Yaar!
Making real isk by ore theft requires skills and planning too. Sure you can just steal a little ore and be an ore thief, but is that gonna put antimatter hybrid ammunition on the table?
And I don't see how "low risk" mining has anything to do with the screwed up mineral market... Unless you are saying tritanium should cost more, like 5 isk per unit. Low end minerals are at highs currently, how is the fact that they are easily mined driving up the cost?
Its not the price of them, but more the quanties of them, how often do you see sell order for more than say 25M units of tritanium in one spot? since everyone can mine it whitout a risk theres allways just few invidual and no "group activity" behind it. if it was low sec only there would be allways better quanties avaible since no-one would dare to mine some AFK veld in a hauler and put it up for sale. And to note theres plenty of other ore types in empire space too that can be mined whitout risk than just veldaspar :) im happy to pay 3isk/unit for tritanium if its really worth it (as it would be if mined in low sec) but for someone doing it AFK in jita? nope, 3isk is way too much for it.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade
I have no problem with "honorable" Ore Thieving, but there are some P U S S Y Ore Thieves out there.
All the posts above don't reference this method so props to you ore thieves who don't do the below.
Ore Thief Main flips a jet can into their own jet can, and warps away (we've found this ore thief also uses warp stabs in his frig which makes this guy even more sad).
Then either another NPC corp member or alt shows up to haul the flip can away while the main ore thief is sitting cowering in a station.
Do any of you condone this way of thieving? There is no chance to fight back.
First of all, it's a good idea. I have no problem with it.
Second, FFS stop trying to evade the damn filters. They're there for a reason and I hope you get banned for thinking you're above moderation. If I want to say something like that I go ahead and say it, and let it get filtered. People will know what it says. Bypassing filters is going to get you banned and frankly I'll be glad when that happens.
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Fixed it. Happy?
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.17 12:24:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Niina
Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
Originally by: Niina
Nothing bad in it as long as you keep in mind that ore thieving can be done by 2 days old alt and real piracy requires some skills and experience.
Flipping can for agro's is just a method of getting a fight and i would do it if i had access to high sec ( -9.4 while writing this).
Current marketprices are so screwd bcos anyone can produce risk free minerals in high sec by mining.
Yet again as i have sayd in other thread i will also say here: "remove high sec and make all empire low sec" or just remove belts from high sec. Then we dont have to worry about ore thieves anymore, theres just pirates.
Yaar!
Making real isk by ore theft requires skills and planning too. Sure you can just steal a little ore and be an ore thief, but is that gonna put antimatter hybrid ammunition on the table?
And I don't see how "low risk" mining has anything to do with the screwed up mineral market... Unless you are saying tritanium should cost more, like 5 isk per unit. Low end minerals are at highs currently, how is the fact that they are easily mined driving up the cost?
Its not the price of them, but more the quanties of them, how often do you see sell order for more than say 25M units of tritanium in one spot? since everyone can mine it whitout a risk theres allways just few invidual and no "group activity" behind it. if it was low sec only there would be allways better quanties avaible since no-one would dare to mine some AFK veld in a hauler and put it up for sale. And to note theres plenty of other ore types in empire space too that can be mined whitout risk than just veldaspar :) im happy to pay 3isk/unit for tritanium if its really worth it (as it would be if mined in low sec) but for someone doing it AFK in jita? nope, 3isk is way too much for it.
So...you'd rather pay more for minerals if it was harder to get for the miner? Okay...suit yourself.
But you can't possibly take asteroid belts out of high sec. A lot of newbies get their first good amount of ISK mining. I did. Killing those cheap pirate automatons in the training complexes doesn't pay well, and there are already a million others doing it. At least there are a million rocks to mine, not just ten like the bots.
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Fixed it. Happy?
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Kha0s
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 03:03:00 -
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Although I'm a little ashamed to admit it, I have been doing this more and more recently. Well, not exactly theiving the ore, more of can flipping as a means to gain agro. I suppose it's a little unfair to pick on the miner's, as they aren't exactly kitted out for combat, but I have had many of them come back in a fully equiped ships, and had quite a few decent fights out of it.
I've just been flying about in a throwaway frig, targetting the people I see with jet cans out. They can't really complain however, if they don't want people to steal, their ore, they should put it in secure containers. Even if they don't want to protect their ore in that way, they don't have to attack me. They could sit there for 30 seconds and do nothing, chances are I would get bored and warp off, leaving them to their ore.
I did buy a hauler recently with the intention of stealing some ore, but it's never in large enough quantities to be worth it really. For the most part, it's more fun just shooting them. I had a really good opportunity to make a decent amount of isk today though, when I see a omen / retriver duo with almost 3 jet cans full of ore. I flipped the omen's can, just to see his response. He attacked me almost instantly, firing away with his single civilian weapon. Needless to say he was dead about 30 seconds later. I tried the same with the Retriever, only this time, it didn't go as planned. After flipping the can, I saw his combat drones pop out, he had my shields and a good portion of my armor down almost instantly. A little dismayed, I warped off. I was intending to greab my badger at this point, stick a decent tank on it, and set about taking his hard earned minerals.
That's not exactly what happened though, instead, I returned to the belt in my frigate to find he had swapped the ore I stole before hand back to a container of his own. We can't be having that, so I flipped it back. F1, F2, F3. Pop. He just lost half of his ore. The drones came out again, but I warped to a spot I had bookmarked 150km off the belt before they could do any real damage. As soon as I came out of warp, i was back in again, heading for the belt. Flipped the other can, pop. Same with the last.
In the end, I didn't make any profit, but it did provide some excitement between the times where the system is devoid of any war targets. I'm sure he didn't see the funny side of it though. I wonder how long it took him to mine...
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Qolde
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.18 07:57:00 -
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It's pretty fun, and it does take a little skill if you want to get real money from it.
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Psorion
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Posted - 2007.03.18 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade
I have no problem with "honorable" Ore Thieving, but there are some P U S S Y Ore Thieves out there.
All the posts above don't reference this method so props to you ore thieves who don't do the below.
Ore Thief Main flips a jet can into their own jet can, and warps away (we've found this ore thief also uses warp stabs in his frig which makes this guy even more sad).
Then either another NPC corp member or alt shows up to haul the flip can away while the main ore thief is sitting cowering in a station.
Do any of you condone this way of thieving? There is no chance to fight back.
So whats the problem, flip the can back to your own can and wait for them to come and try to take it. Sounds like your more 'afraid' then they are.
BTW.. Dont use the P word in vain.. Its one of my favorite words to say slowly...
"Hey baby, give me some of that..."
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:43:00 -
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Ah, the beauty of the system. Being able to take it and run, the entire point. When I robbed macro miners, you could take 10000 m3 per trip back to station. Then come back and find them for another 10k. Yeah, the only people with the problem are too lazy to set up security measures (But energetic enough to ***** about it) or they simply don't understand. Either way, not my damn problem.
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Atsuko Yamamoto
Caldari
The Nietzian Way
Peons of Doom
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Posted - 2007.03.19 19:51:00 -
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Ore thievery is working as intended IMO. This coming from someone who has an industrial alt and does lots of the damn rock chewing. If the miner doesn't have a guard, that's his risk. Though if he does ore thieves would be prudent to check the can's owner, just in case he finds that the can belonged not to the covetor but the HAC sitting next to him...
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto
Ore thievery is working as intended IMO. This coming from someone who has an industrial alt and does lots of the damn rock chewing. If the miner doesn't have a guard, that's his risk. Though if he does ore thieves would be prudent to check the can's owner, just in case he finds that the can belonged not to the covetor but the HAC sitting next to him...
a guard ? a thief can jump in, take the ore and move out, before your supposed guard would even have him locked.
my only real problem with ore thiefs is that thieving ore is to easy. the fact this game might mostly be a PVP game doesnt mean EVERYTHING should lead to it. ive seen a few people leave because some people in elite ships taking ore from a new player over and over again.. what did you do ? you won.. maybe 1K ore, and made a few people leave
the secure cans are simply to small, and jet cans are simply not save enougn. and taking back "your" ore will only lead to certain death
the thing is that in low sec you can lock/shoot whatever.. anything that enters the belt you have a opp in, while in high sec, you might have a false sence of safety, but even a guard wont keep anyone from taking your ore. and as theft is practicly legal, they can take it jump to station and cool down for 15 minutes to let the timer wear of and go at it again.
while you might be stealing for the "supposed" carebears, i cant find a more carebear way of being a pirate then the 99% failsafe ore thiefen, tricking newbs into flagging hostile.. etc.
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Donna Maria
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Donna Maria on 20/03/2007 14:14:40
Originally by: Darqion Zenix
Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto
Ore thievery is working as intended IMO. This coming from someone who has an industrial alt and does lots of the damn rock chewing. If the miner doesn't have a guard, that's his risk. Though if he does ore thieves would be prudent to check the can's owner, just in case he finds that the can belonged not to the covetor but the HAC sitting next to him...
a guard ? a thief can jump in, take the ore and move out, before your supposed guard would even have him locked.
my only real problem with ore thiefs is that thieving ore is to easy. the fact this game might mostly be a PVP game doesnt mean EVERYTHING should lead to it. ive seen a few people leave because some people in elite ships taking ore from a new player over and over again.. what did you do ? you won.. maybe 1K ore, and made a few people leave
the secure cans are simply to small, and jet cans are simply not save enougn. and taking back "your" ore will only lead to certain death
the thing is that in low sec you can lock/shoot whatever.. anything that enters the belt you have a opp in, while in high sec, you might have a false sence of safety, but even a guard wont keep anyone from taking your ore. and as theft is practicly legal, they can take it jump to station and cool down for 15 minutes to let the timer wear of and go at it again.
while you might be stealing for the "supposed" carebears, i cant find a more carebear way of being a pirate then the 99% failsafe ore thiefen, tricking newbs into flagging hostile.. etc.
Bah! If you steal my ore you will be scrammed and webbed and my corp will ransom your pod.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:26:00 -
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Quote:
Bah! If you steal my ore you will be scrammed and webbed and my corp will ransom your pod.
well i for one am not keeping attention to my mining lasers as they slowly eat away some ore. im sure some people enjoying watching every incomming and outgoing person in a belt etc, but its not that exiting imo.
we did catch a few ore thiefs a few times, but once they know what they are doing there is little, very little you can do about it
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix
<snip>the fact this game might mostly be a PVP game doesnt mean EVERYTHING should lead to it. ive seen a few people leave because some people in elite ships taking ore from a new player over and over again.</snip>
Sorry but mining per se *IS* PvP unless you bunker your ore 'till the end of EVE. So it seems reasonable that getting your *free* mins together may include at least some risk like everything else in EVE.
You think ore stealing is too easy? Well yes - to steal from a T1 mining bardge solo-mining in a jetcan is easy (and personally I believe that any such miner is a personified invitation for robbery).
If an alert hauler waits aside that very jetcan it's almost impossible. And if that can is a secure can it is definetly impossible (if you don't forget to password-protect). I am not even mentioning combat ships covering your ass.
You get my drift? If you want water-proof secure mining you'll have to co-operate in one way or another. It's like flying World's Collide Level 4. Wanna fly it solo with only medium skills? Better prepare to die.
So in a nutshell: ore thieving IMO totally fits into EVE's balancing scheme.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:43:00 -
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yes but the proiblem there as in the fact.. i know that, you know that.. VERY new players dont, and lets not forget secure cans fill up in a handfull of minutes only
not every mining session can (ok it can but its not that reasonable to expect) with full corp backup. especially newer players wanna be able to mine some just to get some cash, but in my last corp someone could not mind atall because someone decided to move all the ore around in his own can. he wasnt even planning on taking the ore, just griefing people dumb enough to take it back. its THERE where the problem is
buttt i got no troubles with this myself. i have a hauling alt most the time, and am starting to look into secure cans, altho their size makes me cry
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix
yes but the proiblem there as in the fact.. i know that, you know that.. VERY new players dont, and lets not forget secure cans fill up in a handfull of minutes only
not every mining session can (ok it can but its not that reasonable to expect) with full corp backup. especially newer players wanna be able to mine some just to get some cash, but in my last corp someone could not mind atall because someone decided to move all the ore around in his own can. he wasnt even planning on taking the ore, just griefing people dumb enough to take it back. its THERE where the problem is
buttt i got no troubles with this myself. i have a hauling alt most the time, and am starting to look into secure cans, altho their size makes me cry
You want a security blanket for beginners? OK. So shouldn't newbies running missions get a security blanket as well? Like NPCs only dealing 50% damage. And what about traders? Shouldn't their haulers have like 40.000 HP ... just in case? And while we're at it: let CONCORD blow up any player with a weird ship name ... </irony>
Sorry but I find your argument rather weak. Most people are surprisingly quick learners when you give 'em a hard time.
Haven't met a say Retriever pilot yet who did try to kill my Punisher with just 5 T1 med drones more than once for example.
Yeah it's annoying getting robbed - I can see that. Yet there's no reason that would justify to ease a specific career.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:46:00 -
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The same old "I want 100% security" arguement. It's not that we're stealing that irritates them, it's that we (other players to them) are PROFITTING from the theft. They wouldn't be so ****ed if rats flew by and blew them the eff up. But, if I flew by and blew them up, now they have a face in thier head that they can focus all that anger on. It's not just some NPC, but "that motherf--- Silver, you SOB, I ******* hate you!" Repression and redirection.
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.20 18:46:00 -
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Lots of confusion here. I hope I can clear a few things up. I fly around high sec (mostly in heimatar/metropolis plying my trade). Here comes the low down on agro based on your situation :)
1) A player cannot put things into a can that belongs to another player UNLESS that player is in their gang, has a high enough positive standing with them, or is in their corp.
2) The mere act of opening a can will not cause agro. However, If you look inside the can, click one of the contents and drag it somewhere else in the can you are now aggressed. (you may not even drag it from its spot, but if you attempt to click and drag you are now aggressed.
I spend a lot of my free time wandering empire in my hauler, hopefuly I've cleared things up, as there is no way besides you accidentally trying to move something in your attackers can that he would have agro on you.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gruxella
Lots of confusion here. I hope I can clear a few things up. I fly around high sec (mostly in heimatar/metropolis plying my trade). Here comes the low down on agro based on your situation :)
1) A player cannot put things into a can that belongs to another player UNLESS that player is in their gang, has a high enough positive standing with them, or is in their corp.
2) The mere act of opening a can will not cause agro. However, If you look inside the can, click one of the contents and drag it somewhere else in the can you are now aggressed. (you may not even drag it from its spot, but if you attempt to click and drag you are now aggressed.
I spend a lot of my free time wandering empire in my hauler, hopefuly I've cleared things up, as there is no way besides you accidentally trying to move something in your attackers can that he would have agro on you.
And it's those rules that let me steal. *Wipes away a tear* Thank you....*sob*.....thank you CCP....
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:55:00 -
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If you know there is an ore thief operating in the high sec belts you are mining why dont you:
Have someone in a PvP fitted ship drop the tin(s) you are mining into.
And when they steal from this person... boom, no more ore thief.
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Kha0s
Privateers
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kha0s on 20/03/2007 20:58:04
And that's the reason why I show info on the can to see who it belongs to before I touch it. if they've left it unattended, it get's flipped and blown up anyway. I don't have any use for 10k veld to be honest.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sphynix
If you know there is an ore thief operating in the high sec belts you are mining why dont you:
Have someone in a PvP fitted ship drop the tin(s) you are mining into.
And when they steal from this person... boom, no more ore thief.
Well, one reason is that it is possible to grab a jet can with a hauler without much risk of target locking and scrambling before the hauler warps off.
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happymappy
Amarr
BloodBath 'N Beyond
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: happymappy on 20/03/2007 22:56:16
Originally by: UnAlT
oh you stupid little kids , u under estimate the poor miner .... where do you think u get your minerals to build your ships ? or to make the ammo...?? i'd love to see all the miners stop mining, the builders to stop building ...u'll have 3 "options" :
1.start mining so u can build new ships (and when that will happen , we'll come and steal your ore)
2.beg us to go back and mine/build
3.fight with your pod's .... bumping pod's .
the miner is the one that keeps that universe running ....no miners--->no minerals--->no ships/ammo/mods--->no YOU !
Wrong 3 hours in 0.0 = tier two bs or 2 tier one's hell miners are important but im preaty sure i could get buy without them, as long as some1 makes me my t2 mods im happy
(edit beacause it wasnt to clear i reprosess loot to make things) 
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