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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.04 08:45:00 - [61] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic o rly? then its my fault but then the numbers are not correct anyway. slap the fit on your hurricane and it will have more than 92.5 recharge time (about 103 with max skills) Have you accounted for the fact back then the base shield recharge time for battlecruisers was 1250 sec (same as cruisers), but now it's 1400 seconds ? _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.04 09:53:00 - [62] *"1 Capacitor Flux Coil II"** That seems odd, wouldnt you be better off with a Cap relay or even another PDS. Passive shield tanking guide click here
ilah	Posted - 2007.09.04 10:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Pottsey ôWell, skills. yes; iş heard that. But there is just one skill that changes te recharge rate. Am i wrongö One skill changeÆs recharge rate. 3 skills boost shield HP regen. And the names please ?
Rib0 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:38:00 - [64] i was considering using this setup for the myrmidon (calculated on EFT) --------- hi: 4x medium dim nos, 1x energy neut, 1x siege warfare shield harmonizing (+shield resistance) --------- mid: 2x LSE II, 1x MWD, 1x 24km scram, 1x invuln II --------- low: 6x shield power relay II --------- rigs: 3x shield purger I --------- drones: 5x ogre II --------- statistics: average dps tanked (uniform damage distribution) = 855 EM damage tanked = 598 THERM damage tanked = 748 KIN damage tanked = 997 EXP damage tanked = 1496 shield amount = 13820 hp recharge time = 98.4 s peak recharge rate = 337 hp/s damage dealt = 475 dps (thermal) capacitor drained = 39 cap/s i havent actualy tried this setup on tranquilty, does anyone think it would perform less favourably than the armour tanked equivilent?
Arakidias Murky Inc. FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 12:07:00 - [65] navy hookbill, with its shield bonus, should make for a pretty nifty passive shield tank, no?
Thorek Ironbrow	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:15:00 - [66] Where is this "quickfit" you speak of?
Lux Exterior Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:36:00 - [67] Vulture has the ultimate passive tank followed by Nighthawk and Rattlesnake, Drake is next closely followed by Myrmidon then the Ferox. Anything can be passive tanked but the Moa is probably the best T1 cruiser for it (a use for the Moa?), any T1 Battlecruiser is ok as long as it has at least four midslots for 3 x LSE2 plus a T2 Invuln. Most T2 ships do it quite well due to the resists. Passive tanking is pants for PvP since you cannot fit MWD, Web, Scram etc. might be useful for immortal gang fire support vessel (read Drake) but the DPS suffers too much for much else.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.04 16:03:00 - [68] ôVulture has the ultimate passive tank followed by Nighthawk ....ö What about the Eos? I put that ahead of the Vulture my self. ôAnd the names please ?ö Shield Management Shield Operation Siege Warfare - only works in gang/fleets Siege Warfare - Specialist doesnt do anything to boost HP regen but at lvl 5 you can fit a mindlink implant for a hitpoint boost. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Ather Ialeas Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.04 16:24:00 - [69] Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 04/09/2007 16:26:34 Originally by: Pottsey *"1 Capacitor Flux Coil II"** That seems odd, wouldnt you be better off with a Cap relay or even another PDS. Can't run the dg invufield without it since Shield Power Relays nerf cap recharge. OK, Capacitor Power Relay II would be just as good but I think flux coil II is cheaper atm...
Odium47	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:14:00 - [70] Stop complaining about the shield regeneration of the battlecruisers. Battlecruisers are the most used ships in war. So it should be in Eve. They should be the answer to everything. Legions of frigs, commandos of battleships, swarms of destroyers or any god damn bunch of lowlifes. Invincible regeneration you say ? LoL How can you be invincible when 10 peaople is shooting upon you ? There are missions in which i got fired upon with more than 7000 dps. I really dont want to thing again at 10 ravens shooting with torps... Anyway, the amount of money put by anyone in a Bc varies, from 40 mils. to 2 digit bils. So shut up about bc regeneration rates. Anyway it is too slow ! Ah, yes. And more BC introduced in game would be a blessing. 50-60 more bc would indeed a cool thing.

Lux Exterior Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Pottsey "What about the Eos? I put that ahead of the Vulture my self."[/quote The Vulture has higher resistances with the ship bonus remember, the Eos ain't even close (about a third down). On Battlecruisers one extra midslot > one extra lowslot since the patch. The Drake can stll tank better than the Eos, and also is now better than the Myrmidon due to the extra midslot.
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:28:00 - [72] Originally by: ilah Originally by: Akita T Raw regen alone is almost irrelevant, DPS "tankable" is the only thing that matters. Oh and for the record the max possible passive peak shield regen would be from a maxed-out relevant skills pilot with the 5% Gnome implants plugged in, in a Myrmidon full with T2 LSE/SPR/Purger. Shield amount : (3906 + 52625)1.251.05 = 22353.1875 HP Recharge time : 12500.750.95 0.76^6 * 0.75^3 = 72.403610859 seconds Peak recharge : aprox 771 shield HP / second DPS tanked: 771/1927/1285/963 Extra style points for siege-mindlinked squad commander flying a Vulture running a siege warfare resists link (25.875% resists, wasn't it?), and a wing/fleet commander in a Leviathan with L5 Caldari Titan (+37.5% maxshield). Not like it will happend soon, just saying In this "ultrastylish" setup, you'd get 30735.63 shield HP recharge in 72.4 sec. That's a peak recharge of 1061 shield/second. Resists 25.88/70.35/55.53/40.70. DPS tanked : 1431/3578/2385/1789 Aaaand, cut. Howcome that myrm fitting can be possible ?! I did exactly the same thing, ended up with about 17000 shield hp, 127 sec. recharge time... What am i doing wrong ?! Oi necroing much? __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:45:00 - [73] ôThe Vulture has higher resistances with the ship bonus remember, the Eos ain't even close (about a third down).ö The Eos has higher HP regen making up for less resistance. Not to mention double DPS output. Overall I much prefer an Eos over a Vulture. Am Eos also gets extra points for its green paint work :) Passive shield tanking guide click here
grab man Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:39:00 - [74] the eos's extra regen doesnt make up for crappy resists, the vulture is hit with smaller numbersvs eos hit with big numbers and a little bit more regen. Theres no competion vulture has best tank, eos is down a ways.
Murtific Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:18:00 - [75] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Jackal79 If thats true thats basically a hurricane running a capital shield repper w/o boost amp. Good lord... It might not do much damage - but who cares? Its not like you'd die. That Hurricane would get utterly destroyed by any damage oriented battleship. Even a Raven will break that (with Mjolnir torps) tank. Don't get me wrong, 500shield for a peak regen is huge, but it's not nearly as uber as it seems. my friend. you forget taht minmitar get 70% base resist for EM =] That raven will still have a hard time breaking the tank. Althought after ur peak dies.. Ur toast anywho =/
Aretmis	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:30:00 - [76] Originally by: VanNostrum I was playing around in Quickfit and i came up with 499.92hp/sec passive shield regen on a Hurricane. Here's the setup 6x 425mm Autocannon II (Barrage M) 2x Heavy Missile Launcher II -------------- 4x LSE II -------------- 6x Shield Power Relay II -------------- 3x Shield recharge rigs 4x Hobgoblin II, 1x Hammerhead II Shield hp (regen): 18496.25 (92.5 sec) Max Shield regen: 499.92/sec Total raw DPS: 458.386 This shield passive regen seems ridiculously high to me, is there a limit on max shield regen? Is this viable? How in Zues' butt hole do you get around with no AB and using Auto's? not to mention its a great tank I am sure but what do you to, make coffee while you chew a NPC down slowly?
port22 The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:41:00 - [77] Originally by: Aretmis Originally by: VanNostrum I was playing around in Quickfit and i came up with 499.92hp/sec passive shield regen on a Hurricane. Here's the setup 6x 425mm Autocannon II (Barrage M) 2x Heavy Missile Launcher II -------------- 4x LSE II -------------- 6x Shield Power Relay II -------------- 3x Shield recharge rigs 4x Hobgoblin II, 1x Hammerhead II Shield hp (regen): 18496.25 (92.5 sec) Max Shield regen: 499.92/sec Total raw DPS: 458.386 This shield passive regen seems ridiculously high to me, is there a limit on max shield regen? Is this viable? How in Zues' butt hole do you get around with no AB and using Auto's? not to mention its a great tank I am sure but what do you to, make coffee while you chew a NPC down slowly? Not to troll your post but i seem to remember the thread is about tanks not dps. No one argues that ships that are fully passive (all shield rigs, spr II's and large shield exenders) do not have good dps. In saying that my passive rattlesnake still puts out some numbers. Originally by: Temp Boi Port FTMFW Period.
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Murtific Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Jackal79 If thats true thats basically a hurricane running a capital shield repper w/o boost amp. Good lord... It might not do much damage - but who cares? Its not like you'd die. That Hurricane would get utterly destroyed by any damage oriented battleship. Even a Raven will break that (with Mjolnir torps) tank. Don't get me wrong, 500shield for a peak regen is huge, but it's not nearly as uber as it seems. my friend. you forget taht minmitar get 70% base resist for EM =] That raven will still have a hard time breaking the tank. Althought after ur peak dies.. Ur toast anywho =/ no...just no minmatar get 70% base ARMOR EM resist, shield is still 0. Meatwad FTW
ilah	Posted - 2007.09.05 09:43:00 - [79] What about the best DPS - WITHOUT drones with a similar passive fitting on myrm ? How will we do it ? I can just hold them, not kill them.
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.05 11:11:00 - [80] Apoc Imperial Issue (no imps, no gang mods) 28.3k shield 83s recharge 769 hp / s



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