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VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:15:00 - [1] I was playing around in Quickfit and i came up with 499.92hp/sec passive shield regen on a Hurricane. Here's the setup 6x 425mm Autocannon II (Barrage M) 2x Heavy Missile Launcher II -------------- 4x LSE II -------------- 6x Shield Power Relay II -------------- 3x Shield recharge rigs 4x Hobgoblin II, 1x Hammerhead II Shield hp (regen): 18496.25 (92.5 sec) Max Shield regen: 499.92/sec Total raw DPS: 458.386 This shield passive regen seems ridiculously high to me, is there a limit on max shield regen? Is this viable? That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:22:00 - [2] If thats true thats basically a hurricane running a capital shield repper w/o boost amp. Good lord... It might not do much damage - but who cares? Its not like you'd die.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:26:00 - [3] It would only tank 500 raw em dps,which means its an awesome tank outright yes but wouldnt tank aswell as a domi or hyperion etc....though for a bc thats not bad. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:30:00 - [4] Edited by: VanNostrum on 13/03/2007 05:26:51 I just came up with 575.4 hp/sec shield regen on a myrmiddon with a similar setup, and since myrmiddon can use drones for dmg it's even more fun 6x 425mm Autocannon II (Barrage M) 5x LSE II 6x Shield Power Relay II ------------------ 3x Shield recharge rigs 5x Ogre II Total Raw DPS: 653.775 Total Shield hp (regen): 21288.75 (92.5sec) Max Shield Regen: 575.4 hp/sec obviously cant pvp without nos, WD and web, but that's hell of a tank & DPS! any thoughts? That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:32:00 - [5] Whats the drake capable of doing? I got 100/s playing around with quickfit. Thats using my skills though.
Nether Haze	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:33:00 - [6] I wouldnt fly it even if i was paid Sure, you can tank nicely, but with unbuffed resistances, relatively low dps, its not really worth it Id much prefer a drake, sure, i cant get that high passive regen since i need some cap regen to run invul fields, but still, itll tank more dps after resistances than this setup
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Nether Haze I wouldnt fly it even if i was paid Sure, you can tank nicely, but with unbuffed resistances, relatively low dps, its not really worth it Id much prefer a drake, sure, i cant get that high passive regen since i need some cap regen to run invul fields, but still, itll tank more dps after resistances than this setup I also tried drake with LSE and SPR2 but couldn't get anywhere near 575hp/sec regen like on the Myrmiddon, and leaves no PG for high slots even with maxed shield & AWU skills. Considering you get same base shield resists on all BCs the more lower slots the better since you can fit more SPR2 (for higher hp/sec regen i mean). And myrm here gets better dps due to +10% drone dmg per BC level. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:44:00 - [8] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Nether Haze I wouldnt fly it even if i was paid Sure, you can tank nicely, but with unbuffed resistances, relatively low dps, its not really worth it Id much prefer a drake, sure, i cant get that high passive regen since i need some cap regen to run invul fields, but still, itll tank more dps after resistances than this setup I also tried drake with LSE and SPR2 but couldn't get anywhere near 575hp/sec regen like on the Myrmiddon, and leaves no PG for high slots even with maxed shield & AWU skills. Considering you get same base shield resists on all BCs the more lower slots the better since you can fit more SPR2 (for higher hp/sec regen i mean). And myrm here gets better dps due to +10% drone dmg per BC level. Thats not quite true the drake has better base resists than other BCs (bonus - 5% resists per level)
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:48:00 - [9] Edited by: VanNostrum on 13/03/2007 05:44:25 Ahh true, i missed that Though i swapped 1 LSE2 with an invuln2 on Myrmiddon and still got higher shield resists than the drake, and still with 486.71 hp/sec regen. Not to mention the 3 times higher DPS. nice innit? That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
MikadoK	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:49:00 - [10] Edited by: MikadoK on 13/03/2007 05:49:08 Can get 632 shield/sec on a Titan (avatar) 5 LSE II 8 SPR II recharge rigs or... 600hp/sec with all shield resists at 80%

Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:56:00 - [11] Raw regen alone is almost irrelevant, DPS "tankable" is the only thing that matters. Oh and for the record the max possible passive peak shield regen would be from a maxed-out relevant skills pilot with the 5% Gnome implants plugged in, in a Myrmidon full with T2 LSE/SPR/Purger. Shield amount : (3906 + 52625)1.251.05 = 22353.1875 HP Recharge time : 12500.750.95 0.76^6 * 0.75^3 = 72.403610859 seconds Peak recharge : aprox 771 shield HP / second DPS tanked: 771/1927/1285/963 Extra style points for siege-mindlinked squad commander flying a Vulture running a siege warfare resists link (25.875% resists, wasn't it?), and a wing/fleet commander in a Leviathan with L5 Caldari Titan (+37.5% maxshield). Not like it will happend soon, just saying In this "ultrastylish" setup, you'd get 30735.63 shield HP recharge in 72.4 sec. That's a peak recharge of 1061 shield/second. Resists 25.88/70.35/55.53/40.70. DPS tanked : 1431/3578/2385/1789 Aaaand, cut. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:10:00 - [12] Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 13/03/2007 05:26:51 I just came up with 575.4 hp/sec shield regen on a myrmiddon with a similar setup, and since myrmiddon can use drones for dmg it's even more fun 6x 425mm Autocannon II (Barrage M) 5x LSE II 6x Shield Power Relay II ------------------ 3x Shield recharge rigs 5x Ogre II Total Raw DPS: 653.775 Total Shield hp (regen): 21288.75 (92.5sec) Max Shield Regen: 575.4 hp/sec obviously cant pvp without nos, WD and web, but that's hell of a tank & DPS! any thoughts? That would be a tough nut to ***** in a decent amount of time!
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:19:00 - [13] ohh yes, I didn't even calculate myrmiddon's regen with full implants lol That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:09:00 - [14] Dont forgot 10% hitpoints from gang skills and another 5% from mindlink. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Pottsey Dont forgot 10% hitpoints from gang skills and another 5% from mindlink. Well, more like 10% from siege warfare, overriden by 15% from mindlink, overriden by anything past L2 in Caldari Titan But yeah, a 15% from mindlinked squad leader is a feasable bonus to add. ~771 per sec peak regen -> ~887 per sec peak regen. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Vellaron	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Vellaron on 13/03/2007 08:09:28 Drake can get up to 330 hp/s with 75-85% to all resists (100% passive), which means it can take a lot more damage than your passive hurricane (since you're on default resists) AND it doesnt need cap to fire.
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Vellaron Edited by: Vellaron on 13/03/2007 08:09:28 Drake can get up to 330 hp/s with 75-85% to all resists (100% passive), which means it can take a lot more damage than your passive hurricane (since you're on default resists) AND it doesnt need cap to fire. Care to share that setup? I fail to come up with that shield regen and those resists on a drake in Quickfit using maxed skills. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Uzriel	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:30:00 - [18] well, the hurricane does not need any cap to fire projectiles. too.
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Uzriel well, the hurricane does not need any cap to fire projectiles. too. indeed projectiles can also be used on myrmidon, as myrmidon doesn't get bonus on hybrid turrets anyway. drake might get +5% shield resist per BC level but still fails to come up with a shield regen close to myrm put an invuln II on myrm and myrm still gets higher resists and regen. Plus, drake PG is so low, with a high shield regen using LSE II in mid slots it has no PG left for decent DPS. Even with decent DPS, will still get 1/3 the DPS of a myrm. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:07:00 - [20] Nighthawk High Slots whatever fits (rack of Assault Missile Launcher II's) Medium Slots Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Low Slots Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Rigs Core Defense Field Purger II Core Defense Field Purger II Assuming max. skills and the 5% implants for HP and regen: 20087 HP / 127.02s -> 395 HP/s EM 66.25 Exp 70.0% Kin 71.88% Thm 77.5% Assuming 15% mindlink bonus and a 25% resistance bonus from the warfare link (actually 25.8...blah I was way too lazy): 23100 HP / 127.02s -> 454.65 HP/s EM 74.69% Exp 77.5% Kin 78.91% Thm 83.13% This translates into: EM 1796 tanked dps Exp 2020 tanked dps Kin 2155 tanked dps Thm 2695 tanked dps Vulture High Slots whatever fits, still plenty grid & cpu Medium Slots Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Low Slots Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Assuming max. skills and the 5% implants for HP and regen: 23533 HP / 167.14s -> 352 HP/s EM 66.25 Exp 70.0% Kin 77.5% The 85.0% Assuming 15% mindlink bonus and a 25% (again, lazy) resistance bonus from the warfare link: 27062 HP / 167.14s -> 405.12 HP/s EM 74.69% Exp 77.5% Kin 83.13% Thm 88.75% This translates into: EM 1600 tanked dps Exp 1800 tanked dps Kin 2400 tanked dps Thm 3600 tanked dps The implants and rigs are pretty costly no doubt and it's very skill intensive. But hey, if you choose the vulture for passive tanking you only need an ibis as gangmate to receive the bonus. Actually, I don't know why I even started calculating all that with those two ships... I think I wanted to prove ... ... something. Yes. Well, something should be proven I guess.

Great Artista Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:46:00 - [21] OMFG NURF MINMATAR^TM!!!!11eleven!1 ___________________________________
Grytok	Posted - 2007.03.13 12:07:00 - [22] All your calculations are made by: (Shield HPs / ShieldRecharge) x 2.4 Thats not quiet correct, as the multiplier in the end has to be 2.3 I tested this on a few Ships and different Fittings, and the 2.3 is more close to the reality in EvE. But thats not so relevant, it lowers your HP/s only by 60 or so. The bigger Problem I have with your setups, that you won't catch a fish on the beach with this thingy. With no Scram/Web and AB your opponents will just run away .
VanNostrum Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.13 12:13:00 - [23] True, need a tackler m8 for PVP but still would tank the world in missions That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:14:00 - [24] ôAll your calculations are made by: (Shield HPs / ShieldRecharge) x 2.4 Thats not quiet correct, as the multiplier in the end has to be 2.3 I tested this on a few Ships and different Fittings, and the 2.3 is more close to the reality in EvE.ö No its x2.5. You can use 2.2 or 2.3 as an average over a battle but x2.5 is the peak and if dps is under that your tanks holds. You can still fit a Scram,Web and AB myrmiddon's and have a very good tank. Passive shield tanking guide click here
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.03.13 19:08:00 - [25] Adding two Invulnerability Field IIs to the Myrmidon setup will increase your effective tankable DPS. Even though you take a hit on the raw amount of shield hp restored per second the added resists allows you to tank more DPS for each of the 4 damage types. The difference is of course the fact that now you have to run the two invuln fields. Even with great cap skills you can't regen enough to run the two fields non-stop, so you have to fit a NOS and suck your enemy whenever you turn on the fields. In PvE, I think you're better off just fitting 1 passive EM amplifier instead and you can do pretty much any level 4 mission if you're playing smart (e.g.: avoiding the drone mass agro missions and not doing things like summoning the extra waves for Blockade mission before clearing the current NPCs, etc.) Wred ----- If everyone had to have at least a room-temperature IQ in order to post in these forums, we'd all end up reading a hell of a lot less verbal-diarrhea.
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.13 19:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Pottsey You can still fit a Scram,Web and AB myrmiddon's and have a very good tank. just not a good passive tank ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Jackal79 If thats true thats basically a hurricane running a capital shield repper w/o boost amp. Good lord... It might not do much damage - but who cares? Its not like you'd die. That Hurricane would get utterly destroyed by any damage oriented battleship. Even a Raven will break that (with Mjolnir torps) tank. Don't get me wrong, 500shield for a peak regen is huge, but it's not nearly as uber as it seems. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:45:00 - [28] Originally by: MikadoK Edited by: MikadoK on 13/03/2007 05:49:08 Can get 632 shield/sec on a Titan (avatar) 5 LSE II 8 SPR II recharge rigs or... 600hp/sec with all shield resists at 80% Why are you fitting LSE IIs on a titan? Fit the Shield rechargers since they'll actually boost the regen. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:48:00 - [29] öjust not a good passive tankö http://www.dissonance-corp.com/Files/pvpsetup.JPG Why is that not good? Web, scam, AB and cap to use it all along with almost 190 HP/s regen with good resistance (knock of a few % from each due to a dread field which would be T2 when PvPing) Passive shield tanking guide click here
Fswd	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:52:00 - [30] Never knew you could get a tank line that by using only raw HP and some energy rerouting --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?



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