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xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 469	Posted - 2016.08.19 13:30:12 - [31] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: I just want people thoughts if CCP should change from Subscription to F2P or P2W. Thank You No and you're welcome.
Caco De'mon New Order Logistics CODE. 48	Posted - 2016.08.19 13:57:26 - [32] - Quote Now I'm not arguing for a pure F2P system and you can go back to the second post to see exactly what I'm suggesting... That being said, there are two other high view/responded threads on page one of the forums also addressing the player issue so it *could* be said that this is a bit of a pressing issue, maybe not a short-term issue but and issue nonetheless. EVE is a pretty well known game with a well established reputation. This will not change. CCP has also tried some big content changes but failed to bring in new (read increase) players. This will not change. The general industry shift has been away from subs to alternate pay systems. This will not change. Life-lesson everyone must learn to deal with: Things change....This will not change. I think it's pretty obvious that what worked for CCP 13 years ago re:sub and in the intern to a declining degree will not work forever and at some point they will enter the death spiral where content/support suffers due to laid-off staff which accelerates the loss of sub which forces more layoffs etc... The REAL question is "What can CCP to INCREASE the player count which will intern increase income?" F2P is a horrible option but a greatly hobbled F2P (IMO) is not. But what else can be done to address the core issue? I mean at the time of writing this there are 17200 people online and I'm guessing t hat's actually means about 6000 people are playing (1/3). This is an issue... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 82	Posted - 2016.08.19 13:59:27 - [33] - Quote F2P would be abused to all hell. People would make loads of alts to the point where you have to completely cripple the F2P players to the point where the game isn't fun for them, at which point they leave. If you seriously think EvE should be pay2win please give me all your stuff and just biomass. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Omar Alharazaad Nefarious Porpoise 3063	Posted - 2016.08.19 14:09:11 - [34] - Quote People already make loads of alts and PLEX the heck out of them as it is. People already use the excess ISK they earn to buy skill injectors and fast track alts into the roles of their choice. Hell, I occasionally see two week old marauder pilots out there nowadays. Some are alts of veteran players. Some are what I consider 'space veal'... yummy victims driving something too shiny and sophisticated for them to understand. Those are my favorites. It is only just. Screw the entitled, hard and long. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 195	Posted - 2016.08.19 14:15:34 - [35] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: If EVE ever goes to a F2P model I'll stop playing. I don't play F2P MMO's for a reason. Microtransactions are a ******* addicting, horrific model, that I personally do not trust myself with. And if EVE goes to it, for my sake I'll have to quit. Apparel? SKINS? Skill injectors? Why are you still playing?
Omar Alharazaad Nefarious Porpoise 3064	Posted - 2016.08.19 15:00:48 - [36] - Quote Two of these things are not like the others. Skill injectors are actually turning out to be an engine for derps to come to the horrified realization that SKILLS do not equal 'skill'. The numbers on your character are not as important as what your player understands. CCP is creating a new generation of overpowered victims, and it's absolutely delicious... so long as they don't try to protect their sorry asses from the consequences of their own actions. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Elijah Sool Extended Operations 13	Posted - 2016.08.19 16:30:54 - [37] - Quote Posting in a stealth Eve is dying thread
Trevize Demerzel 14	Posted - 2016.08.19 17:57:42 - [38] - Quote Yokai Mitsuhide wrote: Game already has a free to play model built in via PLEX...you just have to work for it. This ^^ Only thing I would add is make the trial account last long enough such that it is feasible to start making enough ISK to buy PLEX. That way a motivated new player can start playing on trial and say in 90? 60? days buy a PLEX to sub their account. -
Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 590	Posted - 2016.08.19 18:05:44 - [39] - Quote CCP does not need to change anything : EVE is already : - a subscription based game. - a free to play game : buy a PLEX with your ISK. - a pay to win game : buy PLEX with real money and sell it in game for ISK, which you can even turn after into skill injectors. CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
Caco De'mon New Order Logistics CODE. 49	Posted - 2016.08.19 18:14:46 - [40] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: CCP does not need to change anything So do the same will fix the issues.... I know change is scary but something will force CCP's hand one day if the trend continues... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 438	Posted - 2016.08.19 18:17:59 - [41] - Quote If f2p just meant your account has like trial-like restrictions placed on it, I say who cares. @lunettelulu7
Kei Nagasai X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans 20	Posted - 2016.08.19 20:16:05 - [42] - Quote How about just cutting the cost of the subscription? at the moment its -ú10, which, to be frank, is a bit on the expensive side, once you factor in alts. I'd say cut it down to -ú6 or -ú7, the lower it is the more likely people are going to say, "meh, its only X amount"
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 470	Posted - 2016.08.19 21:16:16 - [43] - Quote Kei Nagasai wrote: How about just cutting the cost of the subscription? at the moment its -ú10, which, to be frank, is a bit on the expensive side, once you factor in alts. I'd say cut it down to -ú6 or -ú7, the lower it is the more likely people are going to say, "meh, its only X amount" you mean like when i look at 15 euros and say meh it's only 15 euro.
Nicolai Serkanner Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 525	Posted - 2016.08.19 21:52:36 - [44] - Quote Kei Nagasai wrote: How about just cutting the cost of the subscription? at the moment its -ú10, which, to be frank, is a bit on the expensive side, once you factor in alts. I'd say cut it down to -ú6 or -ú7, the lower it is the more likely people are going to say, "meh, its only X amount" Your way of reasoning would mean, eventually, free to pay. So, no.
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 291	Posted - 2016.08.20 02:07:10 - [45] - Quote You will find people here are against the F2P/P2W model including me. Honestly, if $15 a month is hard for you, then you dont need to be playing video games anyway you need to be focused on your financial situation.The sub model keeps out a lot of the riff raft and younger people. If you havent noticed a majority of the players in this game are old enough to drink and some are retired. It's not a game for kids. In F2P/P2W, which i have much experience playing, free players are always farms for those willing to swipe the credit card regularly. The devs in those games cut corners, leaving major gameplay affecting bugs in the game for months at a time sometimes never fixing them. Customer support is pretty close to non existent. Thats why i never complain about CCPs customer support because compared to those games, its like having my own concierge. FOTM is always changing and you have to constantly buy in paying 10x the amount you would pay fora month of eve or more just to stay competitive. The devs in those games focus on the next special item or upgrade you need to stay competitive. NO THANKS. I like Eve as a sub game and if it went to F2P, the chances of me quitting are extremely likely.
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2016.08.20 02:33:31 - [46] - Quote Subscription model: developers try to make an interesting game so people will subscribe. F2P model: developers try to make an annoying game so the company can sell ways around the annoyance.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7739	Posted - 2016.08.20 02:41:12 - [47] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost. Let me stop you there. If the 'people you know' can't afford 50c a day, that is their problem, and their's alone. There is no business on the face of the planet that is responsible for catering to their failure to have 50c a day available in the first ******* world. If their poverty is such a problem that they can't afford EVE, then their poverty is such a problem that they have much bigger priorities in the first place. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jacques d'Orleans Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 2817	Posted - 2016.08.20 03:09:23 - [48] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: 45thtiger 0109 wrote: I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost. Let me stop you there. If the 'people you know' can't afford 50c a day, that is their problem, and their's alone. There is no business on the face of the planet that is responsible for catering to their failure to have 50c a day available in the first ******* world. If their poverty is such a problem that they can't afford EVE, then their poverty is such a problem that they have much bigger priorities in the first place. Most possibly those "poor sods" are the same guys who then spend 8$ at Starbucks without even thinking about it. The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 292	Posted - 2016.08.20 04:03:56 - [49] - Quote Princess Adhara wrote: Subscription model: developers try to make an interesting game so people will subscribe. F2P model: developers try to make an annoying game so the company can sell ways around the annoyance. that is one of the best comparisons i have seen between the two. In one f2p model ive played , i started playing a year ago because of all the hype and advertising about the game. So i started playing and the deals were $10 to $100 for a list of various items you NEEDED in game to progress. The $100 deals had speed ups up to 50 days, and a couple of dozen types of chests each type giving you several hundred chest. So you ended up with a couple of thousand chests total. The items in the chest were mostly worthless. You could turn them into better items, but you needed a lot of the same item to make it better. you had to open 1 chest at time which required 2 clicks per chest to open. You would also get about 250k of the special currency. I stopped playing after a month but still have it on my phone. So logging in now. For the same price you get 20 mil of the special currency. They have 2000 day speeds, which means they have skills and buildings that take stupid amounts of time to level. And you get about 250k chests. Now you can open these chests all at once, but you have to be a VIP. that requires leveling VIP by buying a stupid amount of VIP points AND then paying to make VIP active for x amount of time. So if you dont want to open 250k chest 1 at time then you are forced to buy even more stuff just to use the stuff you already have. In another game ive played its the same concept. They have major bugs in the game and it has a huge memory leak. Instead of fixing the game, they constantly develop new things for you to buy. Deals are constant and buying anything off deal is extortionately priced. The PVP system is majorly out of balance to the point were the only thing people do in that game is open chests and make power challenges. You can open 20 or 50 chest at a time but they have went from a few chest a couple of years ago to chests that spawn masses of chests that spawn masses of other chest. On average opening a spawner chest, i would get 22 more chests for every one i opened. There would be several levels of spawners some giving mix of prizes and more chests and some giving just more chests. Now people in that game have millions of chest and have been complaining for 6 months they need to be able to open more at a time because they just keep getting more and more and its taking forever to open them all. You have to keep buying new chests though to keep meeting the challenges. And the new items can only be found in those chests. That is what F2P is like. Ive played many and they are all pretty similar regardless of genre or device its played on. F2P games are throwaway games that take very little effort to make or manage. They milk them until they are no longer profitable then shut the servers down. and make one that is almost like it and start over. F2P games are nothing but ponzi schemes that are meant to annoy you to the point you pay for it to stop annoying you. You dont pay to be entertained, you pay to not be frustrated. i dont need to pay someone to stop frustrating me.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17891	Posted - 2016.08.20 04:35:46 - [50] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Hey EvE Players A thought came to mind about subs, Free To Play or Pay To Win. I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost. I am asking the EvE Community of your thoughts should EvE continue to do Subscription. 1. Continue paying Subscription or do the grind for isk in game to pay for your characters. 2. Free To Play and those players could only use T1 mods and ships and if they want better items from the market like T2 or T3 Items or ships & Capital Ships they would use Aurium instead of ISK. 3 And this one was knocked back quite a few years ago was Pay To Win. CCP its time to make EvE online allot better and to get more people motavated to play EvE and get rid of the Subscription base and have a look at the MMO's out there and allot of them are Free To Play. One Game I also play is Warframe and they are Free To Play and you buy platinum if you want better Items from the market. I just want people thoughts if CCP should change from Subscription to F2P or P2W. Thank You I can't afford to play F2P games "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Solecist Project 32253	Posted - 2016.08.20 07:06:38 - [51] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: i dont need to pay someone to stop frustrating me. bro don't challenge me yo! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Kenrailae The Scope Gallente Federation 572	Posted - 2016.08.20 07:37:42 - [52] - Quote F2P and P2W are both bad. That's not Eve. I'm amongst that number that would have a good hard think on whether I wanted to continue with this game if it went either way. I would be open to discussing some very restricted F2P concepts, as there is nothing harmed nor gained in simple discussion, but I would wager I would still end up being against them. I already am on the fence about how much time CCP spends on the Aurum store and not important things like T3 and T3D rebalance. The Law is a point of View The NPE IS a big deal
Elite Harvester Elite Harvesters 64	Posted - 2016.08.20 09:58:03 - [53] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost. I would think those people have more pressing matters than a computer game to worry about such as eating and keeping a roof over their head if $15 USD a month is too expensive for 30 days of entertainment. Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how *you can help* save Highsec.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17961	Posted - 2016.08.20 10:19:20 - [54] - Quote Kei Nagasai wrote: How about just cutting the cost of the subscription? at the moment its -ú10, which, to be frank, is a bit on the expensive side, once you factor in alts. I'd say cut it down to -ú6 or -ú7, the lower it is the more likely people are going to say, "meh, its only X amount" -ú10 a month for unlimited access and free upgrades. Name another hobby that offers that.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17898	Posted - 2016.08.20 10:33:42 - [55] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kei Nagasai wrote: How about just cutting the cost of the subscription? at the moment its -ú10, which, to be frank, is a bit on the expensive side, once you factor in alts. I'd say cut it down to -ú6 or -ú7, the lower it is the more likely people are going to say, "meh, its only X amount" -ú10 a month for unlimited access and free upgrades. Name another hobby that offers that. It's also worth noting that CCP, unlinke other subscription MMO publishers, don't charge for the client. Want to play WoW? Then you have to fork out for the game & expansions, and then pay a subscription. Expansions are free also. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Bruce Kemp Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten. 141	Posted - 2016.08.20 12:01:16 - [56] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Caco De'mon wrote: I would have no problem with a free entry level that's heavily restricted such as: - T1's only - Up to frigates only - Only the basic industry ships - Only HS - Industrial restriction - only T1 mods - SecStatus of -2.5 results in character suspension - no reverting from a sub'ed or PLEX'ed account to this "beginner" account - limit skill able to train and levels - etc - (ps put the damn torches away these are just ideas....) Enough to let people get a real feel over months rather than the short 14 day (or whatever). I agree with your Idea Thumbs up from me too. -áIf people played EVE as much as they posted rubbish on these forums, they might enjoy the game.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1579	Posted - 2016.08.20 12:12:52 - [57] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: If EVE ever goes to a F2P model I'll stop playing. I don't play F2P MMO's for a reason. Microtransactions are a ******* addicting, horrific model, that I personally do not trust myself with. And if EVE goes to it, for my sake I'll have to quit. Then you better start looking for a different game to play, because EVE will go F2P at some point in some form. It has to or it will get left behind. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 476	Posted - 2016.08.20 12:33:53 - [58] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: If EVE ever goes to a F2P model I'll stop playing. I don't play F2P MMO's for a reason. Microtransactions are a ******* addicting, horrific model, that I personally do not trust myself with. And if EVE goes to it, for my sake I'll have to quit. Then you better start looking for a different game to play, because EVE will go F2P at some point in some form. It has to or it will get left behind. being left behind in a race to the bottom isn't a bad thing
Max Fubarticus K Diamond Holding LTD. Bullets Bombs and Blondes 163	Posted - 2016.08.20 13:14:08 - [59] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Hey EvE Players A thought came to mind about subs, Free To Play or Pay To Win. I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost. I am asking the EvE Community of your thoughts should EvE continue to do Subscription. 1. Continue paying Subscription or do the grind for isk in game to pay for your characters. 2. Free To Play and those players could only use T1 mods and ships and if they want better items from the market like T2 or T3 Items or ships & Capital Ships they would use Aurium instead of ISK. 3 And this one was knocked back quite a few years ago was Pay To Win. CCP its time to make EvE online allot better and to get more people motavated to play EvE and get rid of the Subscription base and have a look at the MMO's out there and allot of them are Free To Play. One Game I also play is Warframe and they are Free To Play and you buy platinum if you want better Items from the market. I just want people thoughts if CCP should change from Subscription to F2P or P2W. Thank You Not this again! Okay, here is some free advice... Nothing is free Max Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
Kalpel KBM 134	Posted - 2016.08.20 13:30:27 - [60] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Hey EvE Players A thought came to mind about subs, Free To Play or Pay To Win. I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost. I am asking the EvE Community of your thoughts should EvE continue to do Subscription. 1. Continue paying Subscription or do the grind for isk in game to pay for your characters. 2. Free To Play and those players could only use T1 mods and ships and if they want better items from the market like T2 or T3 Items or ships & Capital Ships they would use Aurium instead of ISK. 3 And this one was knocked back quite a few years ago was Pay To Win. CCP its time to make EvE online allot better and to get more people motavated to play EvE and get rid of the Subscription base and have a look at the MMO's out there and allot of them are Free To Play. One Game I also play is Warframe and they are Free To Play and you buy platinum if you want better Items from the market. I just want people thoughts if CCP should change from Subscription to F2P or P2W. Thank You I believe that if you cannot afford the cost of a subscription than internet gaming is the least of your problems! You failed to target nothing! GëívGëí online ... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+

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