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TrueGrits Chris OMGWTFBBQTIME 0	Posted - 2011.12.21 16:22:00 - [1] - Quote Who else thinks this would be a good add on to the game faction battlecruiser. I love to see a fleet issue hurricane or navy issue drake
Alara IonStorm 663	Posted - 2011.12.21 16:26:00 - [2] - Quote TrueGrits Chris wrote: I love to see a fleet issue hurricane or navy issue drake Lets take the two ships that are ruining the game and make better versions. That way no one will have to fly anything else ever.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba Perkone Caldari State 15	Posted - 2011.12.21 16:34:00 - [3] - Quote Only if the drake is swapped out for Hybrids instead.....
Noopy Nemra 4	Posted - 2011.12.21 16:38:00 - [4] - Quote I'd like a navy myrm. Maybe it could be un-drone-bw-nerfed as a navy hull.
Arrigo Glokta 2	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:00:00 - [5] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: TrueGrits Chris wrote: I love to see a fleet issue hurricane or navy issue drake Lets take the two ships that are ruining the game and make better versions. That way no one will have to fly anything else ever. This. And more of this. To OP... why would you choose THOSE 2 ships? shakes head & wonders if troll
Duchess Starbuckington Starbuckington Manor 57	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:41:00 - [6] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: TrueGrits Chris wrote: I love to see a fleet issue hurricane or navy issue drake Lets take the two ships that are ruining the game and make better versions. That way no one will have to fly anything else ever. ^ Quoted for infinite truth. This game needs many things, more battlecruisers are not one of them.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 244	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:09:00 - [7] - Quote Noopy Nemra wrote: I'd like a navy myrm. Maybe it could be un-drone-bw-nerfed as a navy hull. if the myrm could field 4 sentries, like the navy vex, it would be a really solid ship.
Max Von Sydow Droneboat Diplomacy 90	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:11:00 - [8] - Quote Why not navy versions of the tier 1 BCs? Navy Ferox, Brutix, Cyclone and Prophecy wouldn't be as overpowered as a navy drake or cane.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 358	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:19:00 - [9] - Quote Max Von Sydow wrote: Why not navy versions of the tier 1 BCs? Navy Ferox, Brutix, Cyclone and Prophecy wouldn't be as overpowered as a navy drake or cane. And then the navy Cyclone will be like a more expensive cane, and the other 3 for ship spinning. Fix and balance existing ships first.
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 278	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote Not just 'No'... But- 'Oh F***g Hell No!' Current Tier 2 Battle Cruisers are more then fine if your max skilled for them. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.**
Berluth Luthian 14th Legion Sanctuary Pact 0	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:40:00 - [11] - Quote Would game mechanics allow something like a 'deep space battlecruiser'? You could make something that operated akin to a capital ship in that it couldn't travel into high-sec, maybe had some scanning bonuses, +1 default warp core stabilizer, was a little nerfed for a BC, but had like an outrageously low mass so that you could take them in and out of WH's without worrying about collapsing them... Just trying to get creative, don't know if it is necessary...
Masamune Dekoro School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 27	Posted - 2011.12.21 20:31:00 - [12] - Quote Navy versions of Tier 1 BCs would be nice - although I'll admit I'd prefer they buffed the originals rather than introduce more.
Max Von Sydow Droneboat Diplomacy 90	Posted - 2011.12.21 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote Masamune Dekoro wrote: Navy versions of Tier 1 BCs would be nice - although I'll admit I'd prefer they buffed the originals rather than introduce more. Oh yes, I'm with you on that one. The tier system just has to go.
madsamo Nova Ops The 0rphanage 2	Posted - 2011.12.21 21:12:00 - [14] - Quote Actually yes: It would give Tier 1 battlecruisers a porpose in the game.
The Renner Canadian Operations 2	Posted - 2011.12.21 22:54:00 - [15] - Quote Navy Prophecy yes please, with 2 bonuses this time. (lol @ laser cap use with no damage bonus)
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide. 56	Posted - 2011.12.21 23:07:00 - [16] - Quote In terms of permormance tier2s are already as good as faction BCs should be. 1) fix tier2s to bring them in line with tier1s 2) then consider anything else By no means you can skip 1) 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys.
SpaceSquirrels 34	Posted - 2011.12.21 23:12:00 - [17] - Quote Fine but I want a navy Rokh and don too. Although navy t1 BC's might not be op.
Alexa Coates LNTC 24	Posted - 2011.12.21 23:22:00 - [18] - Quote I want more navy/pirate frigates if we're doing any more faction ships. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships!
Leonova Klystra Disingenuous Duality 2	Posted - 2011.12.21 23:31:00 - [19] - Quote You want navy BCs? Take the tier 2 BCs, paint them with some camo. Poof, there's your navy ships.
Lili Lu 70	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:33:00 - [20] - Quote Yep, it was too quiet. Surprised another of these **** "I wanna wanna tech II, tech III, faction, pirate Draek" threads took so long to hit S&M again. But here it is. No, no you can't have a better draek with which to load more LSE and SPR and tank more pve content with. Get lost.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 201	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:35:00 - [21] - Quote Lili Lu wrote: Yep, it was too quiet. Surprised another of these **** "I wanna wanna tech II, tech III, faction, pirate Draek" threads took so long to hit S&M again. But here it is. No, no you can't have a better draek with which to load more LSE and SPR and tank more pve content with. Get lost. I want a Brutix with an 8th high (incl turret) and 6th (or even 7th!) low. I can haz? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 360	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:42:00 - [22] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Lili Lu wrote: Yep, it was too quiet. Surprised another of these **** "I wanna wanna tech II, tech III, faction, pirate Draek" threads took so long to hit S&M again. But here it is. No, no you can't have a better draek with which to load more LSE and SPR and tank more pve content with. Get lost. I want a Brutix with an 8th high (incl turret) and 6th (or even 7th!) low. I can haz? -Liang And it will produce a hilarious killmail for somebody's cane.
Alara IonStorm 672	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:48:00 - [23] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Lili Lu wrote: Yep, it was too quiet. Surprised another of these ** "I wanna wanna tech II, tech III, faction, pirate Draek" threads took so long to hit S&M again. But here it is. No, no you can't have a better draek with which to load more LSE and SPR and tank more pve content with. Get lost. I want a Brutix with an 8th high (incl turret) and 6th (or even 7th!) low. I can haz? -Liang And it will produce a hilarious killmail for somebody's cane. So it ***** begins. See you two on page ten... =/
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 201	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:50:00 - [24] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: So it ******* begins. See you two on page ten... =/ Its a faction battlecruiser thread. There can be nothing said that hasn't been said a thousand times before. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liam Mirren 38	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:57:00 - [25] - Quote The fact that I don't have to go "are you ********? Tier 2s are already so imbalanced it's sick, they should actually be nerfed. And you want BETTER ones?" because others already did so restored some of my faith in humanity. If only a little bit. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 201	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:59:00 - [26] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: The fact that I don't have to go "are you ********? Tier 2s are already so imbalanced it's sick, they should actually be nerfed. And you want BETTER ones?" because others already did so restored some of my faith in humanity. If only a little bit. What roles to Tier 2 BCs take from other ships that they would ever have legitimately filled? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
ElCholo BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 26	Posted - 2011.12.22 03:07:00 - [27] - Quote I would rather see the tier 1 BCs as faction issues. It would be fun to have a Fleet Cyclone. Maybe make them a little more viable since the tier 2 BCs usually make the tier 1 BCs obsolete.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 360	Posted - 2011.12.22 03:08:00 - [28] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Liam Mirren wrote: The fact that I don't have to go "are you ********? Tier 2s are already so imbalanced it's sick, they should actually be nerfed. And you want BETTER ones?" because others already did so restored some of my faith in humanity. If only a little bit. What roles to Tier 2 BCs take from other ships that they would ever have legitimately filled? -Liang Yes, canes and drakes are the lucky recipient of the role "pwnage on the cheap," to the detriment of tier 1s, might I add. And it's not all tier 2s, btw. Harby is fine as is. And Myrm needs a drone buff.
Liam Mirren 38	Posted - 2011.12.22 03:13:00 - [29] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Liam Mirren wrote: The fact that I don't have to go "are you ********? Tier 2s are already so imbalanced it's sick, they should actually be nerfed. And you want BETTER ones?" because others already did so restored some of my faith in humanity. If only a little bit. What roles to Tier 2 BCs take from other ships that they would ever have legitimately filled? -Liang Diversity. When they got introduced they completely messed up the balance between cruisers/HACS and BCs, Then the Myrm got nerfed (too harshly imo, should have kept 100m3 bandwidth) but it's still out of whack. I'm sure I don't have to explain that if a certain ship type is the go-to answer for just about any question it needs adjustment. Drakes and Canes are too good, Harb is only good because Scorch is OP and the Myrm is actually a tad weak. Dropping a mid slot from the Drake and removing the damage bonus from the Cane while allowing for a 7th turret slot would make them less OP and still more than good enough. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Alara IonStorm 672	Posted - 2011.12.22 03:21:00 - [30] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: What roles to Tier 2 BCs take from other ships that they would ever have legitimately filled? -Liang The Cane fitting a couple of Nano's can pretty much out run any non Minmatar Cruisers and Armor Cruisers. It has 1.5-2x the DPS 1.5-3x the tank and better range them most cruisers. The Drake hangs around lobbing incredible accurate Missiles to ridiculous ranges that match or out dmg most Cruisers with a massive battleship tank and it is not exactly slow. The only cruisers that get serious use are EWAR, Logi, Kiters and Sig Tankers. Leaves a lot of Slow Armor Cruisers sitting around wondering why Capsuleers just don't touch them like they used too. The Tier System and bad roles have kept a lot of Cruisers out of the fight. Now Battlecruisers... 2 Battlecruisers to be accurate have become what is akin to the Standard of EVE while what should be the standard (Cruisers) are left to rot. I hope they rebalance Cruiser roles so the Nanocane can not "Do it all but better" for every non Cynabal out there.

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