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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.27 22:57:00 -
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It would be really nice if CCP showed any love for missile pilots.. so I am all for anything that will make an affordable missile boat with good damage. Nerfing the naga before it launched was really mean, I trained for t2 torps in anticipation  even tested it on sisi. So a faction/navy drake will make me happy... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
245
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Posted - 2011.12.27 22:59:00 -
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drdxie wrote:It would be really nice if CCP showed any love for missile pilots.. so I am all for anything that will make an affordable missile boat with good damage. Nerfing the naga before it launched was really mean, I trained for t2 torps in anticipation even tested it on sisi. So a faction/navy drake will make me happy...
I'm not sure what you think the Drake is.... ? Also, the Torp Naga was a steaming pile of ****... its removal wasn't a nerf.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Capital T
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:29:00 -
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Fine... then can I just have a customizable paint scheme so I can make my cane or drake look like a Navy issue or look cooler? lol |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:44:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
So basically what you're telling me is that T1 frigates are useless as DPS ships because tier 2 battlecruisers make them so.
Ok.
-Liang
No, I'm saying outside of a few specific roles and/or BS-hulls, the cane, drake and harby are your goto hulls for all situations. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
57
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:10:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:
So basically what you're telling me is that T1 frigates are useless as DPS ships because tier 2 battlecruisers make them so.
Ok.
-Liang
No, I'm saying outside of a few specific roles and/or BS-hulls, the cane, drake and harby are your goto hulls for all situations.
Nope ares or stiletto are my go to hulls......
Just saying. |
Songbird
46
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:32:00 -
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we should compromise - instead of navy we should get pirate BC's .
serpentis one gets webs and hybrids - basically a buffed up brutix
angel one speed and falloff
blood raider one gets web range + neuting
guristas get missiles + 125mb drones (if the cruiser has that I doubt the bc will have less)
sansha shield + lazors + tracking.
Did I miss something? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
248
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:37:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:
So basically what you're telling me is that T1 frigates are useless as DPS ships because tier 2 battlecruisers make them so.
Ok.
-Liang
No, I'm saying outside of a few specific roles and/or BS-hulls, the cane, drake and harby are your goto hulls for all situations.
I disagree rather strongly with this statement. Just because they're YOUR goto hulls doesn't mean that they're mine, or that they cover the majority of the situations reasonably encountered in Eve. They are strong tank and spank hulls, I admit. But they aren't nearly as goto as you claim.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
92
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Posted - 2011.12.31 06:06:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
So basically what you're telling me is that T1 frigates are useless as DPS ships because tier 2 battlecruisers make them so.
Ok.
-Liang
I know, right?
Logic--he haz it...
...NOT!!!
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
28
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Posted - 2012.01.01 14:23:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:ElCholo wrote:I would rather see the tier 1 BCs as faction issues. It would be fun to have a Fleet Cyclone. Maybe make them a little more viable since the tier 2 BCs usually make the tier 1 BCs obsolete. Clearly sir, you've never fought a properly fitted Cyclone. Or fought against one for that matter. Does a "properly fitted Cyclone" include a faction fit, blue pill, crystal set, and tengu+loki booster? -Liang
If you're comparing it to every other "solo" PVPer out there then you clearly know the answer to your own question. |
lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
3
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Posted - 2012.01.04 08:21:00 -
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Really don't get the "nerf drake/cane/harb because XXX sucks" crowd. The tier 2 BC's are very well-balanced IMO, Myrm might be slightly underwhelming, but that's not due to the other 3 ships, more to do with the current state of the game.
Also, fail logic is fail. IMO, most BS can do the tank and spank role better than tier 2 BC (more EHP more DPS) therefore BS should be nerfed too amirite? And let's not forget about capitals, those have even bigger EHP and more DPS than tier 2 BC's. In fact, let's make ALL ships have the same EHP and DPS, regardless of ship size, that would be 'balanced' amirite?
Let me tell you a little story:
Long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, CCP introduced a whole new class of battlecruisers. Back then, everyone thought, "WOW hurricane, WOW myrmidon, WOW harbinger, meh PVE drake poo poo"... Since that mythical time when tier 2 battlecruisers were introduced, we've seen myrm drone bandwidth nerf, nano-balancing, scorch OP buff, AC OP buff... Those were the days when flying a drake meant you were a PVE noob. Since then, we have had no changes to the drake, while the mindset of people playing have changed according to buffs/nerfs to the other races.
So all of a sudden, people start realizing the drake is actually a pretty damn good ship, and therefore must be nerfed? Give me a break. Maybe the other ships should be looked at again, seeing as how the drake has not been as greatly affected by all the changes in the past.
Also, my heart says YES to navy/faction/t2 drake, but my head says NO. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
558
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:02:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Really don't get the "nerf drake/cane/harb because XXX sucks" crowd. The tier 2 BC's are very well-balanced IMO, Myrm might be slightly underwhelming, but that's not due to the other 3 ships, more to do with the current state of the game.
Also, fail logic is fail. IMO, most BS can do the tank and spank role better than tier 2 BC (more EHP more DPS) therefore BS should be nerfed too amirite? And let's not forget about capitals, those have even bigger EHP and more DPS than tier 2 BC's. In fact, let's make ALL ships have the same EHP and DPS, regardless of ship size, that would be 'balanced' amirite?
Let me tell you a little story:
Long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, CCP introduced a whole new class of battlecruisers. Back then, everyone thought, "WOW hurricane, WOW myrmidon, WOW harbinger, meh PVE drake poo poo"... Since that mythical time when tier 2 battlecruisers were introduced, we've seen myrm drone bandwidth nerf, nano-balancing, scorch OP buff, AC OP buff... Those were the days when flying a drake meant you were a PVE noob. Since then, we have had no changes to the drake, while the mindset of people playing have changed according to buffs/nerfs to the other races.
So all of a sudden, people start realizing the drake is actually a pretty damn good ship, and therefore must be nerfed? Give me a break. Maybe the other ships should be looked at again, seeing as how the drake has not been as greatly affected by all the changes in the past.
Also, my heart says YES to navy/faction/t2 drake, but my head says NO. You should be ashamed of yourself.
A few comments:
- The BC shield recharge nerf hit the Drake's tank quite hard.
- "You hit for 0.01 damage" ad naseum doesn't happen anymore. This greatly increased the range of **** you could feasibly engage with your Drake.
- The nano Drake took a big hit. :(
- The nano damp Drake took a big hit. :(
- The Drake has always been better than the Myrm. It was even better than the infamous 5 Ogre Myrm (way better in fact).
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Salvia Olima
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
25
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Posted - 2012.01.04 11:39:00 -
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IMHO a corvette class should be more fun: with a role ability to fit a webbing-sphere generator (much like the HIC bubble), backdraw is targeting disabled while websphere is active. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
93
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:00:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Really don't get the "nerf drake/cane/harb because XXX sucks" crowd. The tier 2 BC's are very well-balanced IMO, Myrm might be slightly underwhelming, but that's not due to the other 3 ships, more to do with the current state of the game.
Also, fail logic is fail. IMO, most BS can do the tank and spank role better than tier 2 BC (more EHP more DPS) therefore BS should be nerfed too amirite?
You fail to notice battleships being slow. Tier 2 battlecruisers are as fast as tier 1's while being plain better in every aspect. Make tier2 slower and they will become really interesting. Hell, I might even start using Drake myself - atm it's like playing on easy mode.
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:46:00 -
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It's not the speed. It's the mass.
Destroyers have about 50% higher mass then frigates but BC's have about the same mass as cruisers which gives them similar mobility (both MWD speed and manoevrablility)
BC's are very strong not because of their EHP/DPS ability, but because of their EHP/DPS/mobility/range, mostly/especially the builds that take advantage of this mobility. They're also very strong in their versatility due to high slot amount and grid/CPU/cap for medium sized modules. These things should be possible ofcourse, but not to the extend that they obsolete too much other ships/fittings.
TL,DR: increase BC mass by 50%, then we'll talk navy issues. Fix tier 1 BC's while you're at it. |
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