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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.08.30 02:53:37 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.
Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.
So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.
If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.
Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.
At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
What you are complaining about is actually the best part of EVE. If you don't have the patience to learn things for your self, why did you choose a game built upon the idea of figuring things out? If you need instant gratification why not play some shooter or MOBA? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.08.30 03:35:35 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:I agree. I started this account around 2005, so when the articles from 2007 came out, I was able to get good info on questions. Now, it's like F the new guy, maybe we can get him to do something stupid with his ship for a quick KM. The game seems complex, but really it's all just smoke and mirrors with the cryptic way it's displayed and played out. No one wants you to really get the mechanics because if you do, you might actually win a fight.
Yeah, flame me for telling it like it is, but this is EVE. There's so much wrong in this post that it's difficult to know where to start.
The info is still out there, and for the most part it's current. Eve University provides a wiki that is public access and covers pretty much everything. It explains ships, modules, structures, activities, mechanics etc in depth and provides all of the relevant materials that they use internally.
The best thing that any newbro can do after being killed by another player is ask questions, people don't do themselves any favours by flying off the handle; the only thing that's good for is amusing corp mails and public ridicule over on minerbumping or mittens.com. Most of the PvPers I know will quite happily answer questions, give advice and generally show someone the ropes if they're willing to learn.
We, as players, do want newbies to learn the mechanics; hence the existence of Eve Uni and the other player run projects such as public roams, the Agony Unleashed PvP classes, the various stuff that players in CAS organise, RvB etc etc. Older players totally recognise that newbies are the lifeblood of Eve, however Eve's architecture, freedoms and open-world PvP sandbox nature means that it's not a game that everybody will enjoy.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.08.30 15:58:32 -
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Caco De'mon wrote:May Arethusa wrote:In order to get anywhere in EVE, you'll need friends. Not saying your other info is wrong but that statement above is...a solo capsuleer, as long as that's how they want to play, can be 100% fine by themselves....They need to know how to look and learn on their own of course...
True. It's certainly an option, but one that is often quite restrictive and a hell of a lot more difficult to see through. How many solo pilots do you suppose exist entirely within their own bubble? I'd be willing to bet that outside of high-sec mission running, that number is very low, and even they have access to the NPC Corp if they're feeling lonely or have a question they need answering.
My point wasn't necessarily that soloing isn't viable, just that the game isn't built in a way that encourages it. Yet the NPE fails to address other players entirely, or acknowledges them in a very hands-off way.
Going through the process of joining a corp, flying with other people, and learning the ropes that way then choosing a solo career should, if statistics are to be believed, be the better option. And this is coming from someone who has lone wolved through just about every MMO available quite happily, 90% of the time I prefer it, but EVE is different. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2016.08.31 04:51:36 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
so a low abilitied person, no?
-nope nope nope-
Dysabilified is the correct term. |
flakeys
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.08.31 07:26:38 -
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Soel Reit wrote:eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game 
There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it.  TL;DR you're lazy, move your a**
Can confirm playing since 2003 and i don't even know half of it.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.31 12:16:33 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.
I've been sliding down the learning curve for the last 4 years.
As far as I can tell, it's not so much about graduating from the learning curve as it is realizing that many other players haven't figured it out either.
I'm starting to wonder if anyone really knows how to play this game... |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.31 12:25:04 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:I'm starting to wonder if anyone really knows how to play this game...
this!!!
no one know how to play it! and the game is changing constantly!
new RnK can appear anywhere in space, with new tactics and stupid stuff that actually work!
i'm a romantic, i know, but ehy.... dreaming is gratis |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.31 12:28:36 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
so a low abilitied person, no?
-nope nope nope- Dysabilified is the correct term.
That makes no sense. It imples someone disabilitied someone else.
Disabiliteed? Hm.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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aldhura
The Locker Room
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:19:44 -
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flakeys wrote:Soel Reit wrote:eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game
There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it. TL;DR you're lazy, move your a** Can confirm playing since 2003 and i don't even know half of it.
For 3 years I ran 5 accounts, 2 in wh, 2 in null, and a FW toon. I probably spent an equal amount of playing as I did research, reading and watching videos.
I like to think I know a little.. and the little I know is.... join a corp, learn from others.
solo eve is like solo sex(can you call it that ?).. its OK but it gets a whole lot better when you not solo 
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