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Grindyll Jackdaw Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:08:13 - [1] - Quote I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 861	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:12:24 - [2] - Quote If you joined FW, there should be plenty of assistance available in chat. Start asking there and hopefully someone will help. The game can be very frustrating when you first play. If you don't find the thing that hooks you, that frustration causes quite a few to leave, even though the game is the greatest, once you do find they hook. But yeah, it's not great at helping people find the experience that makes them want to subscribe. Your frustration is well founded. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
eveyn 6	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:13:07 - [3] - Quote so.... what is it, exactly, that you want to do? o.O
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17615	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:15:11 - [4] - Quote 1)Calm down, cool off then ask for help in new citizens Q&A , it's backup in the index one up from here. 2) do not open this thread again as it's about to be set ablaze. May Bob have mercy on your soul. =]\|[=
Solecist Project 32351	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:16:16 - [5] - Quote Hello and welcome to the forums ... I guess. For literally everything there is, google helps, as long as you use the appropriate words. For a lot of gameplay there are youtube videos available from CCP directly. The point is that it's fun figuring things out for oneself. The first opportunities sufficiently introduce you to the fundamentals like flying, shooting,docking, etc ... ... though all I personally needed for that was mass clicking everything possible. Free hint: limitting the searches to everything post 2013 will definitely help. Edit: By the way, tens of thousands don't have your issue. Can you consider that you're just doing it wrong? That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17621	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:20:12 - [6] - Quote Also , f12 menu now has help videos on various topics, these are also available on CCP's YouTube channel should you prefer them there. =]\|[=
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 424	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:41:10 - [7] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration. You joined one of the FW militias. You get access to a "Militia" chat channel, where you can chat with anyone within your faction. You should probably ask some of your questions there. Also, if you are a new account, then you have access to the "Rookie chat:. Great place for asking all your different questions. Furthermore, you should consider joining a newbie friendly corp. As for the questions you have listed in here, then I can say that FW is a fine place for frigates and such. You will probably not be very successful doing solo PvP to begin with, given your amount of SP and in-game knowledge. So I will advise you again to find a corp to join. While EvE sure could still use some UI improvements, it's not nearly as bad as it has been. However, EvE is still a community-based game, so you limit yourself and your player experience if you just try to solo around, like most other MMO out there. It can still be done, but for a newbie the game becomes so much less frustrating if you play it together with other people.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2242	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:45:06 - [8] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. I think part of your frustration is that you don't really "get" Eve yet, as a concept. The reason you do not know the answer to the question you've posed isn't because it is not explained - it's because it's an inherently nonsensical question. The answer is, "Simultaneously both, and neither." There is no such delineation in the game. Ship classes are not a "leveling ladder" that you climb - they're tools that you use to perform tasks to which they are suited. Just as you don't "graduate" from a screwdriver to a hammer, "Basic frigates" or "50 million isk ships" are not an either/or thing. There is not much to explain, with regard to the militia. There are very few special mechanics that are specific to that particular system. You've basically just joined a permanent alliance war, and are now free to shoot and be shot by the guys on the other side. That's the main thing that happened. It didn't tell you to put on your Tier 6 PvP suit and queue up for the battleground because that isn't a thing. It's not a special mode of play, it's little more than a flag. There are some special mechanics around the complexes and capturing of systems, but they don't wildly differ from many other in-game systems. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 424	Posted - 2016.08.23 20:52:48 - [9] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: There is no such delineation in the game. Ship classes are not a "leveling ladder" that you climb - they're tools that you use to perform tasks to which they are suited. Just as you don't "graduate" from a screwdriver to a hammer, "Basic frigates" or "50 million isk ships" are not an either/or thing. Understanding this concept is very important. Bigger is not better. Ships are just tools as SurrenderMonkey mentioned. Note the following points taken from the 8 Golden Rules for EvE Online: Experience matters, not ISK or Skills * Just because some character is just a few minutes old doesn't mean he's a newbie. Many people have alts. The reverse is also possible, people come back after very long breaks, and characters are sold. You could see year-old newbies around too. * Skills that take less than 1 day to train are short skills. Over one week is long. * You're in this game for the long haul. Don't expect to do something meaningful in the grand scheme of things in the first day of your first trial account ever. * All other things being equal (experience, skills), superior numbers more often win a fight rather than superior ship value. However, things are hardly ever equal. * Total skillpoints count doesn't matter much either, it's level of relevant skills to the current situation that does. Yes, that does mean a 2 mil SP combat-oriented newbie could badly beat up a 60 mil SP industry-oriented veteran. Bigger is not always better * More expensive stuff is not always better stuff. * Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely. * Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it's not better. Other times it's not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better. * There are no "solopwnmobiles" in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it's shot hard enough. * With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn't matter all that much. So don't think that just cause something is more expensive, it necessarily is better. Anyway, everything gets so much easier if you find a corp.
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 85	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:08:01 - [10] - Quote eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it. TL;DR you're lazy, move your a**
Grindyll Jackdaw Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:10:11 - [11] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it. TL;DR you're lazy, move your a Convolution =/= Complexity Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ***** annoying to deal with that.
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2436	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:12:59 - [12] - Quote bye, gl in your future endeavors EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf A wise man sums up EvE Smoke me a Kipper...
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 424	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:15:33 - [13] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: Convolution =/= Complexity Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ******* annoying to deal with that. The game ain't that convoluted. And the retention rates are fine, it's just not a game for everyone. I don't know all the questions you have, but the one you've posted in your OP don't have a real answer. So how could this non-existent information be more easily accessible? If you ask questions that don't make sense in the context of EvE, then you will have an obvious hard time finding the answers within the UI.
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 88	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:15:48 - [14] - Quote dude i dunno you... but for me was pretty easy at the start. info were everywhere! found a nice person ingame that teached me some things. (only basis) from there i moved up watching videos on youtube, reading the forum (even trolling post), playing, etc. nothing very difficult. i don't see the problem oh and i posted even a couple of questions on the Q&A of the forum. you won't find a manual if it's what you are looking for... by chance are you an engineer? that would explain many things (no racism)
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 463	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:16:01 - [15] - Quote We've all come from humble beginnings, my original trial account didn't make it to subscription. I ran around doing missions and I mined in an exploration Frigate, totally clueless. I think why I stuck this time as Lulu was because I had someone actually take me and mentor me on how stuff sort of works. They saved me from another grind of level II missions and they showed me how to probe, how to find DED sites, and escalations. The game was far more interesting sharing bookmarks with a small community I met .. and well.. here I am. Maybe it's just not for you. @lunettelulu7
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17630	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:20:30 - [16] - Quote I did try, you all saw , I tried. Now then Cracks knuckles =]\|[=
Solecist Project 32355	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:22:20 - [17] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: Soel Reit wrote: eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it. TL;DR you're lazy, move your a Convolution =/= Complexity Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ***** annoying to deal with that. Excuses, because you're too low abilitied* to do what TENS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHERS were able to do. Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D *(this just HAS to be a word lol) That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Grindyll Jackdaw Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:24:50 - [18] - Quote So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 425	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:27:51 - [19] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. Aight, we all tried. Can I have your stuff when you leave? Just contract it to my character. If you want hand-holding, then you have a sea of generic free MMOs just to your liking. o/
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 88	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:28:15 - [20] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. this ^ and you are too lacking in some areas to search it by yourself Kappa 123
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17635	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:41:55 - [21] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. That or you're too thoroughly concussed from being beaten with the wrong end of the stick to bother explaining anything to. Let's apply Occam's razor for a moment Either a) the game that's been going since 2003 and has been infamous for its complexity for years is run by incompetent devs Or b) the couple of day old newbie might be talking out his arse. On balance now , which do you honestly think is more likely the case... =]\|[=
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 89	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:45:35 - [22] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. That or you're too thoroughly concussed from being beaten with the wrong end of the stick to bother explaining anything to. Let's apply Occam's razor for a moment Either a) the game that's been going since 2003 and has been infamous for its complexity for years is run by incompetent devs Or b) the couple of day old newbie might be talking out his arse. On balance now , which do you honestly think is more likely the case... i choose A, 100%, no doubts on my mind p.s. and btw using the occam's razor don't help to keep the conversation at low elo
eveyn 6	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:54:11 - [23] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. Intuitive Learning Curve: oooh cool. that ship looks badass! I wonder how much it will cost to fl... holy hell, it's THAT much?! How will I ever earn enou...wait. the tutorials showed me how to mine, rat, mission, and there's this annoying blinking thing on my screen tha... WOAH! a chat group? HAIGUYZ!! u wot m8?? Join your corp? Iderno =\ I don't know muc.... you'll show me the ropes?!111!? thereRropes?!!? or. cool ship. what do you mean "I don't have the prerequisite skills to fly this ship"? looksit skills ooh, I see. So to fly this muther-doo-hickey, I need X, Y, and Z skills. What about gun...oh. nm. I see it now. Looks like a game plan to me! Well. Not to you I suppose. I was speaking in the universal sense. Also: not for nothin', but I kinda think this was bait. +/-1 to the OP if so? iderno.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 246	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:54:58 - [24] - Quote Eve world is just "old school", 'cause it's kinda... old. Back in time it was normal to have no explanation on what the drek's goin' on and no guide or tutorial. People were forced to discover everything by themselves or to acquire information from others. Info was valuable. People worked hard to collect it and bring to others - sometimes just for "thanks". Now things are quite more simple: we got a lot of already made guides and explanations almost on everything around the net, so all you need is just open any wiki and read all you need to know. If ya wanna know what REAL troubles are, try something like THIS. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17637	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:56:42 - [25] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. That or you're too thoroughly concussed from being beaten with the wrong end of the stick to bother explaining anything to. Let's apply Occam's razor for a moment Either a) the game that's been going since 2003 and has been infamous for its complexity for years is run by incompetent devs Or b) the couple of day old newbie might be talking out his arse. On balance now , which do you honestly think is more likely the case... i choose A, 100%, no doubts on my mind p.s. and btw using the occam's razor don't help to keep the conversation at low elo Here, I'm going out of my way not to flat out call him a dumbass, still insulting him granted but not directly. Pissing and moaning, calling the devs incompetent in general discussion is basically burning one of the easiest, most accessable avenues of learning how not to such at eve, particularly after being told so. =]\|[=
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 91	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:58:45 - [26] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Here, I'm going out of my way not to flat out call him a dumbass, still insulting him granted but not directly. you just did
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17637	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:04:01 - [27] - Quote Well damn. =]\|[=
Cien Banchiere Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution 105	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:07:27 - [28] - Quote I am going ti take you at face value as a truely new, disgruntled pilot. First advice: calm down. Second, press F12. If that doesnt give you any help please use the Q&A section, EVE Uni, or reddit. Third, hace you ever thought about what you want to do? There is a cliff to climb, not a curve. It takes time and research to be good ajd efficient at tasks in this game. Find a corp, using the handy in-game search feature for recruitment, to find a group that does similar things. The road after that is long, fun, and vicious. Even when you "figure out" someone with better understanding will cockslap you and break your toys. Welcome to New Eden.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5801	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:10:33 - [29] - Quote Sadly EvE removed its own EvEPedia, glad there's a "sort of" version on my EvE fansite. Stuff is still current as of 2016. That being said, EvE is "old school" and also a sandbox. Sandboxes are inherently made to be explored by trial and error, if you give a "guide" or "walkthrough" a sandbox gets quite spoiled imo. Old school means, it's made for another generation of players, who to be honest, had what it takes to play those challenging games of old. I am perma-subscribed to another 2003 sandbox MMO too, where: 1) Quest NPCs don't appear on map. You need to find them visually. 2) Even when you are in the general vicinity, they won't show if they have quests on them or not. You have to get really close. 3) They give this kind of direction: "Your stuff is below a rock somewhere in the southern portion of [continent name]", where by continent we mean some ultra-massive area you could take weeks to walk through. 4) Close to ZERO online "guides". EVERYTHING is community knowledge, you either get to know somebody who has done the quest and kindly takes you there, or you are on your own. EvE is easy mode. EvE Online portal \| EvE markets tutorials
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17644	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:19:57 - [30] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D (this just HAS to be a word lol) Ralph's gpu drivers are ***ed at the moment so no house calls for now, not that he's worth it. "Abled" is the word you are looking for =]\|[=
Solecist Project 32365	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:21:36 - [31] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D (this just HAS to be a word lol) Ralph's gpu drivers are ***ed at the moment so no house calls for now, not that he's worth it. "Abled" is the word you are looking for Low abled? That sounds even worse! :D Are you using an ati? That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17645	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:27:56 - [32] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D (this just HAS to be a word lol) Ralph's gpu drivers are **ed at the moment so no house calls for now, not that he's worth it. "Abled" is the word you are looking for Low abled? That sounds even worse! :D Are you using an ati? Dis*abled Or Of low ability Much like my AMD card right now, working grand most of the time but there's something about my home station (where Ralph is) making it squirrelly. Have an open bug report on it. =]\|[=
Solecist Project 32365	Posted - 2016.08.23 22:39:26 - [33] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Disabled Or Of low ability Much like my AMD card right now, working grand most of the time but there's something about my home station (where Ralph is) making it squirrelly. Have an open bug report on it. so a low abilitied person, no? This really should be a thing! It would make the english language so much easier to comprehend, especially for children! I wish you luck on the bug report! Maybe check if omega drivers exist nowadays, they might have that sorted out! :D That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1510	Posted - 2016.08.24 00:08:23 - [34] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: 1)I don't know what to do... 2) ...do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer... 3)So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. 4)At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration. 1) Most people don't know what to do, in games or life. If you have any direction, keep it secret, since wrecking what you're trying to do is what instinctively replaces direction for directionless people. The zombie apocalypse is permanent and everywhere. 2) I regularly help people out with a few seconds searching Google for them. You need to search for hours? Nah. 3) Actually a common thing that people do looking for rails and fences. 4) You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 99	Posted - 2016.08.24 00:14:39 - [35] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó. ehi dude, this one is awesome it's yours? if not you have to pay the copyrights
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17662	Posted - 2016.08.24 00:23:22 - [36] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó. ehi dude, this one is awesome it's yours? if not you have to pay the copyrights Yeah I'm stealing that one too. =]\|[=
Discordia Duenna Control-Space DARKNESS. 81	Posted - 2016.08.24 00:24:45 - [37] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration. "This book is not for you" - Book store keeper, The Neverending Story.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 868	Posted - 2016.08.24 00:47:32 - [38] - Quote Further to my previous post OP, stick with it. Eve is a game where you can check in, but never leave. If you quit in frustration now, it's going to eat in the back of your mind, even subconsciously, that you can't let it beat you. In 1, 2, 3 or more years you'll be back; and then you'll be cursing not having all those years training under your belt already. (more in jest than anything....kind of) Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7788	Posted - 2016.08.24 01:03:51 - [39] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I hate figuring things out for myself, and that's somehow everyone else's fault. Literally what you sound like to me. There is a lot of information in this game that the helps people learn how to play it, and a lot more today than what I had, or others before me had. But here we are. We figured it out, and guess what, we're still figuring. If you're expecting the devs to provide step-by-step instructions on how to tie your shoelaces, then EVE is not for you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4630	Posted - 2016.08.24 01:04:15 - [40] - Quote OP, FW is not a good place to start. I've been in and out of Min militia for a few years, and it's not a group. It's a revolving door of individuals who happen to sort of be doing the same thing. Actually they're kind of in competition with each other (get all of the LP from hanging on a timer solo, and not dividing it with another button humper). You'll get little or no help from FW guys-- at least Min FW guys. It's not a group of friends, it's mostly a collection of random strangers. It used to be different, but that's the current state, IMO. If you want to skip PVE and go straight to PVP, RVB is good. People will try] to help you out. They may not be experienced or pro, so it might be more like hanging out in a newbro discussions roundtable. But you'll get introduced to a lot of stuff quick, by ambitious guys who have a kind of a sportsman/athlete attitude. (I was less ambitious as a new guy myself, I learned ships, mods, game mech, etc. through PVE first. Had a great time doing it too, and it wasn't a given. The Epic Arcs missions can put a boot on your arse. Was good stuff though. Learned to how to use long range vs. short range DPS, using drones, when it's time to bug out, etc. Fun as hell really, might do it again). Start the bubble machine! -Lawrence Welk
Winter Archipelago Autumn Industrial Enterprises 567	Posted - 2016.08.24 01:30:22 - [41] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: Convolution =/= Complexity Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ******* annoying to deal with that. EVE isn't exactly a simple game. There's a lot going on in a lot of different ways. It isn't really feasible for one group (even the developers) to have guides on every last little thing. The changes and updates that are necessary to keep it up-to-date are simply too many. EVE University have a wiki that does a good general overview of the game (wiki.eveuniversity.org). Other groups have information oriented towards other parts of the game. Blogs and Vlogs are plentiful, and information on which are valuable to your own preferences are as easy to find as posting to the New Player Question & Answer board asking (politely) which places have good info on x profession. You mention earlier about having to ask other players, but the way you mention it, it sounds as if you're saying that's a bad thing. It isn't. Don't look at EVE as a normal MMO, because it isn't. It's social more than anything else, to the point where I feel it quite safe to call it a social hobby more than a social game. Ask (politely) questions in corp and militia chat. If you feel you aren't getting decent responses, ask (politely) in the many, many help channels that exist (you can find them in the channel list by clicking the little "talky bubble" at the top of any chat window). If channels such as E-UNI and the English (or your preferred language) Help chat aren't able to help you, ask (politely) in the NPQ&A board. If you can't get help there, ask (politely) on Reddit at /r/eve and /r/evenewbies. If even that manages to yield no viable answers, make a support ticket that (politely) asks your question, explaining that you've asked everywhere else but have not received satisfactory information. The two key things to take away are (1) to ask questions, and (2) to be polite about it. This thread is miraculously tame considering you're in General Discussion and came out swinging and whining. Normally, someone who approaches other EVE players with an attitude will usually get an attitude returned many times worse. Conversely, a polite approach will usually receive a polite and helpful reply. Calm down, state (politely) what it is you're trying to do (I strongly advise making a new thread in the New Player Question & Answer board to do this) and you'll receive ample information. Khergit Deserters wrote: OP, FW is not a good place to start. I've been in and out of Min militia for a few years, and it's not a group. It's a revolving door of individuals who happen to sort of be doing the same thing. Actually they're kind of in competition with each other (get all of the LP from hanging on a timer solo, and not dividing it with another button humper). You'll get little or no help from FW guys-- at least Min FW guys. It's not a group of friends, it's mostly a collection of random strangers. It used to be different, but that's the current state, IMO. Khergit is very, very accurate in his description of MinMil. Grindyll, if you want to do FW, I would advise looking into joining the Gallente Militia. They're much more organized and group-oriented (though they have their moments...) and, since they're allied with MinMil, your actions in MinMil won't have had a negative effect on your standings with them. Planning a trip to Thera? Check out http://eve-scout.com/ for a list of the current connections. Once you've made your choice, join the *EvE-Scout* channel and request a scout to make sure your connection is clear!
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1514	Posted - 2016.08.24 01:34:30 - [42] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó. ehi dude, this one is awesome it's yours? if not you have to pay the copyrights https://youtu.be/8j0WNUayx3U?t=58 Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Caleb Seremshur Black Scorpions Inc Infensus 839	Posted - 2016.08.24 04:21:16 - [43] - Quote Is this thread an example of why new players should default to the newb subforum?
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1875	Posted - 2016.08.24 04:42:41 - [44] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". I cannot speak for you but where i live RL has no manuals too. You leave the house? Good. Where you should go? Only you can answer. Why? It's up to up again. Eve is real The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kaybella Hakaari State War Academy Caldari State 29	Posted - 2016.08.24 06:04:42 - [45] - Quote Plan: Make a newbie alt, make one of these posts on here or Reddit, wait a couple of hours for people to notice it and who posted it. Copy Spaceship Barbie's scam.
Shang Tung The Black Hand Nerfed Alliance Go Away 2	Posted - 2016.08.29 19:33:10 - [46] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration. You remind me of my friend who tried EVE and had a similar breakdown. He then bashed the for being crap and uninteresting for an hour. He then went back to playing WoW. EVE does not cater to all audiences, understandably so being the complex and unforgiving sandbox game it is. By complex I don't only mean the UI and bazillion of menus you have to play around with, but that it actually requires a person to be social and creative to progress and enjoy it
Elenahina agony unleashed Agony Empire 1069	Posted - 2016.08.29 19:48:52 - [47] - Quote eveyn wrote: Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. Intuitive Learning Curve: oooh cool. that ship looks badass! I wonder how much it will cost to fl... holy hell, it's THAT much?! How will I ever earn enou...wait. the tutorials showed me how to mine, rat, mission, and there's this annoying blinking thing on my screen tha... WOAH! a chat group? HAIGUYZ!! u wot m8?? Join your corp? Iderno =\ I don't know muc.... you'll show me the ropes?!111!? thereRropes?!!? or. cool ship. what do you mean "I don't have the prerequisite skills to fly this ship"? looksit skills ooh, I see. So to fly this muther-doo-hickey, I need X, Y, and Z skills. What about gun...oh. nm. I see it now. Looks like a game plan to me! Well. Not to you I suppose. I was speaking in the universal sense. Also: not for nothin', but I kinda think this was bait. +/-1 to the OP if so? iderno. iderno is now my new favorite word. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina agony unleashed Agony Empire 1069	Posted - 2016.08.29 19:51:31 - [48] - Quote Winter Archipelago wrote: EVE isn't exactly a simple game. That's like saying the ocean is a bit damp or space may be somewhat chilly. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Jacques d'Orleans 2830	Posted - 2016.08.29 20:07:03 - [49] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration. Did you seriously just stamp your foot? I thought only girls did that on TV. Anyways, when you want to learn the ropes maybe EvE-University would be a good start for a young Padawan like you. Let me say it this way.
May Arethusa The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 200	Posted - 2016.08.29 20:34:12 - [50] - Quote Quote: So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. Actually the rules are laid out very clearly on the FW page in-game. You would have noticed those if you'd given it even a cursory glance. Beyond those rules, everything else you want to know is determined by players and any structured tutorial beyond basic plex mechanics is out-dated almost instantly. In order to get anywhere in EVE, you'll need friends. If you're falling at the first hurdle by expecting the game to tell you everything, you won't be around for long. There are myriad avenues open for you to get the information you desire, most of them are far more valuable than the ancient guides you're looking at. The NPE is terrible, it always has been, it probably always will be. The issue has always been it explains how to perform simple tasks like mining, probing, ratting, etc; but fails to progress beyond that. In spite of endlessly stating that even "negative" interactions with other players drastically increases retention rates, CCP has never incorporated methods of subtly forcing these interactions upon new players via the tutorial, either because they expect it to happen naturally given enough time or because they're simply blind to their own statistics. Sure, it's been streamlined and beautified with each iteration, but it still doesn't come close to helping a new player intergrate with the existing community.
Esrevid Nekkeg Justified and Ancient 2175	Posted - 2016.08.29 20:44:57 - [51] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Winter Archipelago wrote: EVE isn't exactly a simple game. That's like saying the ocean is a bit damp or space may be somewhat chilly. He might be British. They are known for their slight understatements. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
aldhura The Locker Room 94	Posted - 2016.08.29 20:57:22 - [52] - Quote The best thing any new player, or player embarking on a new adventure can do.. is join an appropriate corp. The militia is terrible for any help. Best to go with cheap ships at the start of anything you do.
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 67	Posted - 2016.08.29 20:59:47 - [53] - Quote May Arethusa wrote: In order to get anywhere in EVE, you'll need friends. Not saying your other info is wrong but that statement above is...a solo capsuleer, as long as that's how they want to play, can be 100% fine by themselves....They need to know how to look and learn on their own of course... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Ocean Ormand Bagel and Lox 22	Posted - 2016.08.29 21:16:24 - [54] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration. Just to put it into terms you might understand - in wow there are two type of players - those that when an expansion comes out they want to figure everything out for themselves and those that want to goggle everything and have it spoonfed to them. In eve, we dont really have that type of division. Most of what matters in the game is you learning how to play the game from practical experience. Eve is constantly involving so what happened last year, last month or even yesterday, may not matter tomorrow. Moreover even if someone could right everything down to explain it to you - how best to do something in eve is open to debate - people argue about what is best approach to everything in this game. Eve is a sandbox and thus the journey just as important as what you do when you get there.
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 682	Posted - 2016.08.29 21:29:30 - [55] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: Convolution =/= Complexity The Dictionary wrote: con-+vo-+lut-+ed -êk+ñnv+Ö-îlo-Pod+Öd/ adjective 1. (especially of an argument, story, or sentence) extremely complex and difficult to follow. Not only is he smarter than CCP - he is re-writing the dictionary as well I see The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 682	Posted - 2016.08.29 21:34:03 - [56] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Is this thread an example of why new players should default to the newb subforum? Ralph really did warn him... The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 312	Posted - 2016.08.29 22:36:16 - [57] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. Most things in game dont have a one off answer. Its not a A>B>C>D game. Its a sandbox game. The UI is pretty self explanatory. The buttons are marked as far as i remember if you hover of them. And like everything else on a PC right click brings up a menu. There is a nifty little chat box on the UI and one of the tabs on that says "ROOKIE HELP" . That would be a great place to start asking questions if your stuck. If for some reason that fails you the forums have a newbie Q&A sub forum. Both of these are moderated to keep the trash out. If that fails a search for pretty much any Eve with bring up both youtube videos and sites with an "eve university" address. Common sense tells one that perhaps we should look into this eve university thing and see what it is about...could it be... could it... be... something very similar to a wiki? I think perhaps it might. Ultimately Eve requires you to have basic problem solving skills. This would be the same sort of problem solving skills that are required to fit the properly shaped block in the properly shaped hole in toddler toys. This is the level of problem solving you need to "figure out" the basics in eve. It seems your problem solving skills failed you on many levels and instead of asking us here in the forums " Hey, i cant seem to find the answer im looking for on this, can someone tell me...." You decided instead to have a little rant about your inability to problem solve using simple logic. Eve is not a game in which your hand is held, Eve is not a game in which you are given a direction. Your story is yours, its not pre written by a dev and then you follow along acting it out while reading lengthy conversations between your character and NPCs . You decide what you want to do and how you want to do it. You decide your own fate and your own story. You learn to use logic and problem solving and to use the resources available to you in and out of the game to be successful. Im sorry Eve is to hard for you to learn. Good luck on your next game.
Solecist Project 32655	Posted - 2016.08.29 22:38:26 - [58] - Quote ahem IT'S A TROLL! bows That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 97	Posted - 2016.08.30 00:06:05 - [59] - Quote Troll or not, EVE requires certain traits to enjoy I think - mainly, traits associated with 'geeks'. When I started, there was just so much stuff to read & digest. And I loved it. I loved checking out all the modules, Show Info and comparing the stats & etc. I spent a lot of time just browsing the market and reading Item Descriptions and attributes, all the while thinking 'this is so cool!'. I experimented a lot and lost a lot. Some told me to 'experiment on SiSi', but I never found appeal of experimenting on SiSI (at least when it comes to PVP fits and such). I always enjoyed theorycrafting & putting something together, and commit real ISK and assets to the 'experiment' on Tranquility. No intuitive learning curve? I like that. And many 'geeks' like me probably like that too. If you give a complete walk-through to a geek and ask him to read it from cover to cover, he probably won't enjoy it too much. You give a big mess of tangled stuff to a geek, and say 'hey here you go. See what you can do with this', then it could be hours (or even years...) of fun. :) Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697 Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
Conrad Makbure Trident Expedition 100	Posted - 2016.08.30 01:06:41 - [60] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration. I agree. I started this account around 2005, so when the articles from 2007 came out, I was able to get good info on questions. Now, it's like F the new guy, maybe we can get him to do something stupid with his ship for a quick KM. The game seems complex, but really it's all just smoke and mirrors with the cryptic way it's displayed and played out. No one wants you to really get the mechanics because if you do, you might actually win a fight. Yeah, flame me for telling it like it is, but this is EVE.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14520	Posted - 2016.08.30 02:53:37 - [61] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a ** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable. Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity. Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun. At this point I'm about to say ** it. It's not worth the frustration. What you are complaining about is actually the best part of EVE. If you don't have the patience to learn things for your self, why did you choose a game built upon the idea of figuring things out? If you need instant gratification why not play some shooter or MOBA?
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26707	Posted - 2016.08.30 03:35:35 - [62] - Quote Conrad Makbure wrote: I agree. I started this account around 2005, so when the articles from 2007 came out, I was able to get good info on questions. Now, it's like F the new guy, maybe we can get him to do something stupid with his ship for a quick KM. The game seems complex, but really it's all just smoke and mirrors with the cryptic way it's displayed and played out. No one wants you to really get the mechanics because if you do, you might actually win a fight. Yeah, flame me for telling it like it is, but this is EVE. There's so much wrong in this post that it's difficult to know where to start. The info is still out there, and for the most part it's current. Eve University provides a wiki that is public access and covers pretty much everything. It explains ships, modules, structures, activities, mechanics etc in depth and provides all of the relevant materials that they use internally. The best thing that any newbro can do after being killed by another player is ask questions, people don't do themselves any favours by flying off the handle; the only thing that's good for is amusing corp mails and public ridicule over on minerbumping or mittens.com. Most of the PvPers I know will quite happily answer questions, give advice and generally show someone the ropes if they're willing to learn. We, as players, do want newbies to learn the mechanics; hence the existence of Eve Uni and the other player run projects such as public roams, the Agony Unleashed PvP classes, the various stuff that players in CAS organise, RvB etc etc. Older players totally recognise that newbies are the lifeblood of Eve, however Eve's architecture, freedoms and open-world PvP sandbox nature means that it's not a game that everybody will enjoy. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
May Arethusa The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 202	Posted - 2016.08.30 15:58:32 - [63] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: May Arethusa wrote: In order to get anywhere in EVE, you'll need friends. Not saying your other info is wrong but that statement above is...a solo capsuleer, as long as that's how they want to play, can be 100% fine by themselves....They need to know how to look and learn on their own of course... True. It's certainly an option, but one that is often quite restrictive and a hell of a lot more difficult to see through. How many solo pilots do you suppose exist entirely within their own bubble? I'd be willing to bet that outside of high-sec mission running, that number is very low, and even they have access to the NPC Corp if they're feeling lonely or have a question they need answering. My point wasn't necessarily that soloing isn't viable, just that the game isn't built in a way that encourages it. Yet the NPE fails to address other players entirely, or acknowledges them in a very hands-off way. Going through the process of joining a corp, flying with other people, and learning the ropes that way then choosing a solo career should, if statistics are to be believed, be the better option. And this is coming from someone who has lone wolved through just about every MMO available quite happily, 90% of the time I prefer it, but EVE is different.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony 676	Posted - 2016.08.31 04:51:36 - [64] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: so a low abilitied person, no? -nope nope nope- Dysabilified is the correct term.
flakeys Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 3276	Posted - 2016.08.31 07:26:38 - [65] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it. TL;DR you're lazy, move your a** Can confirm playing since 2003 and i don't even know half of it. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Sitting Bull Lakota Ministry of War Amarr Empire 133	Posted - 2016.08.31 12:16:33 - [66] - Quote Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice. I've been sliding down the learning curve for the last 4 years. As far as I can tell, it's not so much about graduating from the learning curve as it is realizing that many other players haven't figured it out either. I'm starting to wonder if anyone really knows how to play this game...
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 196	Posted - 2016.08.31 12:25:04 - [67] - Quote Sitting Bull Lakota wrote: I'm starting to wonder if anyone really knows how to play this game... this!!! no one know how to play it! and the game is changing constantly! new RnK can appear anywhere in space, with new tactics and stupid stuff that actually work! i'm a romantic, i know, but ehy.... dreaming is gratis
Solecist Project 32747	Posted - 2016.08.31 12:28:36 - [68] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Solecist Project wrote: so a low abilitied person, no? -nope nope nope- Dysabilified is the correct term. That makes no sense. It imples someone disabilitied someone else. Disabiliteed? Hm. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
aldhura The Locker Room 94	Posted - 2016.08.31 20:19:44 - [69] - Quote flakeys wrote: Soel Reit wrote: eheheheh you lack of only 1 thing... ... the will to learn. there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit. learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info. infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read). Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions. there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it. TL;DR you're lazy, move your a** Can confirm playing since 2003 and i don't even know half of it. For 3 years I ran 5 accounts, 2 in wh, 2 in null, and a FW toon. I probably spent an equal amount of playing as I did research, reading and watching videos. I like to think I know a little.. and the little I know is.... join a corp, learn from others. solo eve is like solo sex(can you call it that ?).. its OK but it gets a whole lot better when you not solo

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