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Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.03.15 01:33:00 - [1] Hey guys, how hard can it be? If you need input on how to fix it fairly ask around, but since its used to make this great game of yours amazingly lame and boring, you might want to think about fixing it before say the end of next year.
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.03.15 01:49:00 - [2] It amazes me that a small company like CCP has the inertia of a glacier when it comes to simple fixes.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.15 01:53:00 - [3] Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.15 01:54:00 - [4] Edited by: Kirex on 15/03/2007 01:53:23 How would you go about fixing this? Can't really control when a pilot can log on and off. edit: I kinda got an idea, how about only x amount of people can log on/off within 30 seconds or so? It should help with mass log off/ons. x can equal 1/10 of the current people in system or something. Click above for my killboard stats.
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.15 02:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Kirex How would you go about fixing this? Can't really control when a pilot can log on and off. Pretty simple fix IMO. Make bubbles aggression, and make it so anyone who gets agressed after they log gets the agression timer. Then fix the fact people warps out of bubbles when they log. Alternatively, introduce a log off timer. When you log out, you get a timer where you can't do diddly squat for a minute. If you do anything, or if anyone do anything to you, the timer resets. Resistance is Fertile.
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.15 02:31:00 - [6] Tons of solutions have been proposed. Anyway, it's CCPs job to implement a solution, if they would ever get around to it....
Arian Snow The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.15 02:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Its not that simple... Eve suffers from lag greatly and wating several minutes only to be blown to bits because you cant control **** is like EVE raping you hard. The only theoretical chance not be be arseraped by the game is to ctrl-Q. CCP knows this and thats why its still possible. ----------------------------------------------- I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.15 02:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Arian Snow Originally by: Dark Shikari Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Its not that simple... Eve suffers from lag greatly and wating several minutes only to be blown to bits because you cant control **** is like EVE raping you hard. The only theoretical chance not be be arseraped by the game is to ctrl-Q. CCP knows this and thats why its still possible. There is no reasonable justification for including a "get out of danger free" card in EVE. Ever. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:15:00 - [9] It wasn't too long ago that a Dev made a forum post about this. IIRC he said they WANT to fix it, and it's pretty high on their list. But the issue is that nobody has come up with anything yet that can prevent folks from doing it intentionally, without penalizing people who really do have an actually legitimate disconnect.
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:19:00 - [10] they are to busy adding and tweaking GTC sales for the website then fixing something important. Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.

Sylai	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Arian Snow Originally by: Dark Shikari Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Its not that simple... Eve suffers from lag greatly and wating several minutes only to be blown to bits because you cant control **** is like EVE raping you hard. The only theoretical chance not be be arseraped by the game is to ctrl-Q. CCP knows this and thats why its still possible. Lol, it IS that simple... The reason people complain in the first place is because people cheat the system by logging off when in all fairness a person should have died or lost their ship due to stupidity or being caught off guard. Like a normal person you'd log off if it was safe, not because oh suddenly you're about to die and you want to be a cheap mofo and cheat death. I'm sorry pal, but that doesn't work in real life, and it sure as heck shouldn't work in this game either :P.
Prophet Jurah Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Arian Snow Originally by: Dark Shikari Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Its not that simple... Eve suffers from lag greatly and wating several minutes only to be blown to bits because you cant control ** is like EVE raping you hard. The only theoretical chance not be be arseraped by the game is to ctrl-Q. CCP knows this and thats why its still possible. Bull**. You can use the map to avoid camps and you can use scouts. If you ran into a camp in the first place you did something wrong. Logoffski is NOT the only thing you can do about it. What you can do is use the tools available to you to avoid the camp in the first place. Logoffski is an excuse for lazy people that couldn't be arsed to take precautions for their safety.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:44:00 - [13] God knows why they don't seem to give a crap about this issue. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Arian Snow The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:10:00 - [14] mmm I am not talking about avoiding camps .. I am talking about fleetbattles. I dont give a rats arse if someone gets shafted in by a gatecamp, its fair game. I am talking about gamecrippling lag. I have been in several fleets these past months and my shiplosses can nearly allways be contributed to lag. Now thats the real problem. I am sorry if you dont get that shuttle that log offs. I mark those that do if I'm in a gatecamp myself. I sincerely dont hope that any of the IAC exploit by doing a logoffski! It is not that simple. EVE is severely flawed with its lag, and CCP reimbursement is completely random it seems. I dont care about ctrl-q except if EVE lags out on me, then I use it and stop playing EVE for a day... LAG is the priority here, not its only if halfarsed solution ctrl-q ----------------------------------------------- I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:23:00 - [15] Edited by: Mortania on 15/03/2007 04:19:58 As much as I hate the logoffski, I hate the logonski too, the purposeful crashing of nodes (I know, I know, it was all accidental), the new passive targetting agression timer, etc. All the metagaming BS. It's sad. Somewhere along the line people decided it was the only way to keep up with the joneses, CCP failed to act for years, and it's become the norm. Welcome to the new EVE. (some will say, same as the old EVE) ---
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:31:00 - [16] Currently there is no other real counter to a warp bubble field. I assume we'll see a fix for it around the same time a more legitimate counter to warp bubbles is introduced.... Idea: Treaties
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.15 06:42:00 - [17] well... those static bubbles that have to be anchored could be spotted on the map, i guess it's the interdiction spheres i've come to despise... four +5's in gone in 10 secs and the map didn't help at all... "new guy in local? launch"
Anna Grahm Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.15 06:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Dark Shikari There is no reasonable justification for including a "get out of danger free" card in EVE. Ever. What, like docking? Or logging out in general? I am NOT an alt!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.15 06:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Currently there is no other real counter to a warp bubble field. I assume we'll see a fix for it around the same time a more legitimate counter to warp bubbles is introduced.... Eve is proof that Evolution is only just a theory. Case in point. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Star Commander Got Corp?
Viliny Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.15 06:59:00 - [20] I'we recently enjoyed more and more situations where i genuinely loose connection to the server. Even had to reinstall os yesterday to fix not being able to log on ... Im just saying that some of the suggestions here/other threads could really **** on me

Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.15 07:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Kirex How would you go about fixing this? Can't really control when a pilot can log on and off. Pretty simple fix IMO. Make bubbles aggression, and make it so anyone who gets agressed after they log gets the agression timer. Then fix the fact people warps out of bubbles when they log. Alternatively, introduce a log off timer. When you log out, you get a timer where you can't do diddly squat for a minute. If you do anything, or if anyone do anything to you, the timer resets. Both bad solutions: bubble doing aggression = immediatle de-cloaking after jumping in system = killed before loading the grid = tons of petition and big boost to defending forces 1 minute time = tons of mission runners dead in PvE to DC = tons of petitions
Jenn Atreides	Posted - 2007.03.15 07:24:00 - [22] True that you can't control when you a person wants to stop playing however my son plays runscape and even that simple game has a feature that disallows you to log of during combat etc. In eve you could do it simply by having the agro timer always on when ever you haev an agro and not let the game log you off. In runscape a message comes up saying that your not able to log off due to current combat or words to that effect. Also you could make it such that you cannot not log off during a session change. Jumping through a stargate is a session change. Next you can, I would hope in this day and age of computing teach your client to recognize the difference between a disconnect and a ctrl q. Ie the absence of ctrl q is the signal of a disconnect. Go one step further and make a confirmation box appear. So you haev to confirm your intention to log off. So if you confirm your intention to log off then you should be disallowed to log on again for 60 minutes. Also build in a signal to GM's when log off's are used in close proximity to log on's ( if you use the confirm log off box) and the GM's can appply a temp ban (24 hours) for attempting to use an exploit. I mean really logoff right after you initiate a jump to log in and out 4 -5 times to get past gate camps is an exploit, and the game mechanics should not allow it. But until such a time as CCP decides that is is an exploit certain people and groups will say it is a valid tactic.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.03.15 07:27:00 - [23] I have a real life and when I don't want to spend 15 minutes and do 30 steps so that I can log off and being sure that my ship is out of danger! Not everyone lives in 0.0 btw. Do an aggression countdown when you enter a bubble and DISPLAY THE AGGRESSION COUNTDOWN!
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.15 07:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. rofl mew sig right there!.. 100% truth as well. Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier.
Aries Acheron The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.03.15 07:52:00 - [25] The solution seems more or less simple. Many people have brought it up. If you log/lose connection while inside a bubble or dictor sphere... you warp off like now, but with the 15 minute timer. So if you're just being a coward trying to save your ship, you'll get probed down easilly. If you have bad luck, you probably can log back in within a minute in non-superlagged systems (IE, a gank at a gate), and either fight your way out of the bubble again, or fight enemies that are probing you. Either way, you're most likely dead as they'll outnumber you. If you're in a large battle situation with opposing blobs (more than 100 v 100) and a large number of your force lose connection.. not bad. You can return as soon as possible, and since there's so many people, you won't all get probed out unless you hide for 15 minutes like certain metagaming gangs. Everyone wins. Sure, an occasional poor chum will get killed, but it's a lot better to discourage Ctl-Q as a combat evasion strategy for the same reason WCS and now Nano-setups are getting nerfed. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.15 08:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Aries Acheron The solution seems more or less simple. Many people have brought it up. If you log/lose connection while inside a bubble or dictor sphere... you warp off like now, but with the 15 minute timer. So if you're just being a coward trying to save your ship, you'll get probed down easilly. If you have bad luck, you probably can log back in within a minute in non-superlagged systems (IE, a gank at a gate), and either fight your way out of the bubble again, or fight enemies that are probing you. Either way, you're most likely dead as they'll outnumber you. If you're in a large battle situation with opposing blobs (more than 100 v 100) and a large number of your force lose connection.. not bad. You can return as soon as possible, and since there's so many people, you won't all get probed out unless you hide for 15 minutes like certain metagaming gangs. Everyone wins. Sure, an occasional poor chum will get killed, but it's a lot better to discourage Ctl-Q as a combat evasion strategy for the same reason WCS and now Nano-setups are getting nerfed. On a "disconnect" have the aggro time as you say but make the ship stay in warp for 60 seconds or so (maybe emergency warps aren't very fast?) - that's plenty of time to log back in if you really did disconnect - before coming to rest for the 15 mins. So the guy with bad luck can come back & resume the fight; the cheater still gets killed.
Anna Grahm Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.15 08:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Malcanis On a "disconnect" have the aggro time as you say but make the ship stay in warp for 60 seconds or so (maybe emergency warps aren't very fast?) - that's plenty of time to log back in if you really did disconnect - before coming to rest for the 15 mins. So the guy with bad luck can come back & resume the fight; the cheater still gets killed. "Cheater" ? CCP has stated again and again that logging out of Eve Online isn't cheating. I am NOT an alt!
Laboratus Gallente BGG Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.15 08:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Shikari Being able to log off and warp away when in a warp bubble was confirmed as a bug over a year ago. And guess what. CCP hasn't even announced that they plan to fix it. They haven't made it into a "feature" either. Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. I don't think they ever will... since IRL >> game the removal of a mechanic, that enables you to walk away from the game to take care of real issues without game penalties would blow big time... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.15 09:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Jenn Atreides Next you can, I would hope in this day and age of computing teach your client to recognize the difference between a disconnect and a ctrl q. Ie the absence of ctrl q is the signal of a disconnect. You have just highlighted why this is such a difficult problem to solve. You have come up with a solution, which at first glance looks to have solved the problem, but in fact can be worked around in several trivial ways. From unplugging your network cable, switching off your modem/router/hub or the easiest of all, the three fingered salute followed by killing the Eve Client. The Green Banana Corporation is Recruiting
Ashaz	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:19:00 - [30] From what I understood, the game knows the difference between realy dropping the connection and hitting ctrl+q. If you get disconnected you achtually stick around LONGER then if you just logoff. so, why not take these two things and swap them? If someone gets disconnected. fine. save them. fair enough. if someone logs off. let THEM have the delay. I hardly think as many people will start pulling the cord, as are abuseing the ctrl+q. also someone pulling the cord would dropp from teamspeak servers aswell...



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