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PauZotoh Zhaan
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: PauZotoh Zhaan on 15/03/2007 11:40:39
I thinking getting one of those ships, fully pimped (officer stuff etc).
Now question is which is better for pvp? Vindicator have sweet mwd bonus but navy mega have 1 low slot more (better dmg or tank) when hyperion have 8 guns and uber gr8 bonus for repers. Purpose would be solo pvp (pirating yarr:PPP) so tank is important aswell dmg.
Lets say isk isnt issue what ship would you choose?
If I was minmatar choise would be simple Machariel:)
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Pharos Dei
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:48:00 -
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well if isks dont matter, and you want a nice pirating ship with good gank and nber tank, go vindi...
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:52:00 -
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Factioned out vindi ftw.
sgb
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:10:00 -
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Hyp is out of the running purly on looks and the fact its not a pimp faction BS.
Personally i'd take the Navy Mega. That's because im Gallente Specced, have Gallente BS 5 and can't fly Minmatar at all. I also like tanks, and that extra low-slot makes for a really nice tank.
I have to say though, the Vindi's cap bonus would be nice to have too.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:12:00 -
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I wanna know vindi or navy mega, hearing mixed things however most seem to say navy mega>vindi...
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JdJinator
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:13:00 -
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I prefer navy meg. 
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:23:00 -
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Navy mega is superior... 8 lows with all iStab&Nano
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:31:00 -
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 Originally by: LUKEC
Navy mega is superior... 8 lows with all iStab&Nano
Can you say: '(combat) Your Neutron Blaster Cannon II misses *Everything* completely.'?
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan
Vindicator have sweet mwd bonus and an extra mid slot but navy mega have 1 low slot more (better dmg or tank)
Fixed it for you.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:28:00 -
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so WHY prefer the navy meg over teh vindi? less cpu issues? more tank? can't utilise the extra med well?
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:44:00 -
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I certainly prefer the Vindicator.
Though it has a bit less tank than the navy mega, the extra MWD bonus is pretty nice in combination with a blaster setup, plus the extra med slot lets you fit some nasty EW modules which is always handy for PvP.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 15/03/2007 13:44:15
What's the best ship out of a crow, a sniping rokh or an ishtar?
The answer is that it can't be answered without a given situation, only when put into context can you judge what is best.
Same goes with this (though less of a difference). It's impossible to say what's best of the 3 ships in the op without a specific situation. And no, "solo piracy" is far from specific enough.
Pick the ship and configuration that best suits your playstyle.
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Trefnis
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:00:00 -
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I dont fly gallente ships at all, but just gonna say that most ppl will run without a fight if they see vindi or navy mega, but if they see hype they wont.
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Corwain
Gallente
Zero Team
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Posted - 2007.03.15 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Trefnis
I dont fly gallente ships at all, but just gonna say that most ppl will run without a fight if they see vindi or navy mega, but if they see hype they wont.
First reason I've heard so far to choose Hype...
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 16:04:00 -
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Actually that's different.
Ever since i swapped to nightmare from typhoon, i get more kills, since people go "omg i want to kill that ship".
Navy Mega has serious CPU issues afaik, and most people just end up using that last low-slot for co-pro.
Vindicator or Hyperion.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 17:28:00 -
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how does the navy mega have cpu issues and not the vindi, when they both have the same cpu yet the vindi has an extra med slot? (EW=cpu-intensive)
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.15 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Chronus26 on 15/03/2007 17:32:23
Originally by: Deathbarrage
how does the navy mega have cpu issues and not the vindi, when they both have the same cpu yet the vindi has an extra med slot? (EW=cpu-intensive)
It only has CPU issues when you try to fit T2 Ions, but so does a Standard Mega. Drop to Electrons or upgrade to Neutrons and its fine. Electron DPS isn't as bad as people think, and you can fit the most beastly Faction/deadspace tank ever. 
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PauZotoh Zhaan
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Posted - 2007.03.15 17:47:00 -
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isnt for tanking hyperion better? with 3 rigs and bonus to repers?
I love vindicator and navy mega, but I think hyperion can tank better and have same dmg as vindi/navy am I right?
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:05:00 -
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for navy mega I'd figure:
7x electron II, heavy TS nos
gist b-type 100mn, dom web, dom dis, TS inj
2x centum LAR, 2x corpum EANM, DCU II, 3x SS MFS
For the vindi I'd figure
7x electron II, TS Nos
gist b-type 100mn, dom web, dom dis, dom scram, TS inj
2x centum LAR, 2x corpum EANM, DCU II, 2x SS MFS
on both fits fit 3x auxillery nano pump
what about that?
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
for navy mega I'd figure:
7x electron II, heavy TS nos
gist b-type 100mn, dom web, dom dis, TS inj
2x centum LAR, 2x corpum EANM, DCU II, 3x SS MFS
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on both fits fit 3x auxillery nano pump
what about that?
Meh not enough tank 
2x Centum LAR, 3x Core X hardners, DCU II, Centum EANM, SS mag Stab.
Hybrid damage rig, Aux Nano, *something else*
^ Navy Mega. Should tank a small fleet 
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Fuglife
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:24:00 -
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Take a hyperion, fully insurable and has a serious tank on it. 3 t1 armour ammount rigs and 2 cormack rigs would give you 4600 a cycle. Sold my vindicator as i never used it, hyp ftw
Please note, these are purely my opinions, not those of my next door neighbours cat.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Deathbarrage
for navy mega I'd figure:
7x electron II, heavy TS nos
gist b-type 100mn, dom web, dom dis, TS inj
2x centum LAR, 2x corpum EANM, DCU II, 3x SS MFS
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on both fits fit 3x auxillery nano pump
what about that?
Meh not enough tank
2x Centum LAR, 3x Core X hardners, DCU II, Centum EANM, SS mag Stab.
Hybrid damage rig, Aux Nano, *something else*
^ Navy Mega. Should tank a small fleet
tbh yours has too little dmg lol =P tbh mine setup with the 3x auxillery nano pumps should tank a whole lot
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Chronus26 on 15/03/2007 18:35:04
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Deathbarrage
for navy mega I'd figure:
7x electron II, heavy TS nos
gist b-type 100mn, dom web, dom dis, TS inj
2x centum LAR, 2x corpum EANM, DCU II, 3x SS MFS
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on both fits fit 3x auxillery nano pump
what about that?
Meh not enough tank
2x Centum LAR, 3x Core X hardners, DCU II, Centum EANM, SS mag Stab.
Hybrid damage rig, Aux Nano, *something else*
^ Navy Mega. Should tank a small fleet
tbh yours has too little dmg lol =P tbh mine setup with the 3x auxillery nano pumps should tank a whole lot
The hybrid damage rig is almost as good as another mag stab (just realized, mag stab has ROF bonus too, rig doesnt ). So damage is almost-kinda-just about as good, just mine has decent resists. If you want damage, just fit Neutrons. 
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Edited by: Chronus26 on 15/03/2007 18:35:04
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Deathbarrage
for navy mega I'd figure:
7x electron II, heavy TS nos
gist b-type 100mn, dom web, dom dis, TS inj
2x centum LAR, 2x corpum EANM, DCU II, 3x SS MFS
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on both fits fit 3x auxillery nano pump
what about that?
Meh not enough tank
2x Centum LAR, 3x Core X hardners, DCU II, Centum EANM, SS mag Stab.
Hybrid damage rig, Aux Nano, *something else*
^ Navy Mega. Should tank a small fleet
tbh yours has too little dmg lol =P tbh mine setup with the 3x auxillery nano pumps should tank a whole lot
The hybrid damage rig is almost as good as another mag stab (just realized, mag stab has ROF bonus too, rig doesnt ). So damage is almost-kinda-just about as good, just mine has decent resists. If you want damage, just fit Neutrons.
yours has crazy resists, mine's got decent resist with crazy rep amount on the reppers and way more dps i think
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FraXy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:57:00 -
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Navy Mega:
7x Electron II, TS/DB Medium Neut
Gist Mwd, Domi Web, Domi 30k, TS/DB Injector
2x Centus X Reps, 3x Centus X Hardeners, 2x Corpum EANM, IFFA I/DCU II
3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I`s
This does tank a small fleet.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Navy Mega:
7x Electron II, TS/DB Medium Neut
Gist Mwd, Domi Web, Domi 30k, TS/DB Injector
2x Centus X Reps, 3x Centus X Hardeners, 2x Corpum EANM, IFFA I/DCU II
3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I`s
This does tank a small fleet.
I don't get it... Why buy a navy mega if you just wanna tank.... I'd rather get an abbadon if i wanted to do that
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R'adeh
Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Navy Mega:
7x Electron II, TS/DB Medium Neut
Gist Mwd, Domi Web, Domi 30k, TS/DB Injector
2x Centus X Reps, 3x Centus X Hardeners, 2x Corpum EANM, IFFA I/DCU II
3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I`s
This does tank a small fleet.
Took you long enough to find that thread 
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FraXy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: FraXy
Navy Mega:
7x Electron II, TS/DB Medium Neut
Gist Mwd, Domi Web, Domi 30k, TS/DB Injector
2x Centus X Reps, 3x Centus X Hardeners, 2x Corpum EANM, IFFA I/DCU II
3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I`s
This does tank a small fleet.
I don't get it... Why buy a navy mega if you just wanna tank.... I'd rather get an abbadon if i wanted to do that
And who`s stopping you to get one?
That was my setup and how i fitted it, nothing more and nothing less.
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Ikvar
I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:43:00 -
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This is how I fit my Navy Meg:
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II, 1x TS NOS
Gist X-Type 100MN MWD, Domination Warp Disruptor, Domination Stasis Web, Heavy Cap Booster II (I prefer to be able to load 5 charges)
2x Centus X-Type LAR, 3x Corpum or Centum A-Type EANM, Damage Control II, Co-Processor II, Shadow Serp Mag Stab
2x Ancillary Current Router I, 1x Nanobot Accelerator I
4x Beserker II, 5x Warrior II
Full high grade slave set (just under 20k armor)
1. Dont' say 'Eww a co-processor', the thing has **** all CPU and you'll find most people with really high end setups on Navy Megs (back me up here DeMundus) have to fit one.
2. The tank is extremely strong and I much prefer eanms to actives, however if you do want to go active I'd go 3x 64% (exp kin therm), a DCU and an EANM.
3. I prefer the extra low and armor on the Navy Meg to the Vindi's cap bonus.
4. 2 Centus X-Type LARs on a Hyperion with BS 5 is roughly equivalent to 4 T2 LARs.
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FraXy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
This is how I fit my Navy Meg:
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II, 1x TS NOS
Gist X-Type 100MN MWD, Domination Warp Disruptor, Domination Stasis Web, Heavy Cap Booster II (I prefer to be able to load 5 charges)
2x Centus X-Type LAR, 3x Corpum or Centum A-Type EANM, Damage Control II, Co-Processor II, Shadow Serp Mag Stab
2x Ancillary Current Router I, 1x Nanobot Accelerator I
4x Beserker II, 5x Warrior II
Full high grade slave set (just under 20k armor)
Ewwww, Co-Processor...
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Ikvar
I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Ewwww, Co-Processor...
Coming from you, FraXy, it doesn't bother me
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FraXy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 15/03/2007 20:01:54
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: FraXy
Ewwww, Co-Processor...
Coming from you, FraXy, it doesn't bother me
Dude...
My setups are uber i tell ya.. UBER!!!
You seen the structure tanked Dominix without scrambler? Passivetanked PvP Eos? Passivetanked Ganka_Myrmidon?
And my personal favorite being the Smartbombing, Passivetanked Inertia_Scorp.
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About that Co-Processor, was too easy to not do it 
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
This is how I fit my Navy Meg:
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II, 1x TS NOS
Gist X-Type 100MN MWD, Domination Warp Disruptor, Domination Stasis Web, Heavy Cap Booster II (I prefer to be able to load 5 charges)
2x Centus X-Type LAR, 3x Corpum or Centum A-Type EANM, Damage Control II, Co-Processor II, Shadow Serp Mag Stab
2x Ancillary Current Router I, 1x Nanobot Accelerator I
4x Beserker II, 5x Warrior II
Full high grade slave set (just under 20k armor)
1. Dont' say 'Eww a co-processor', the thing has **** all CPU and you'll find most people with really high end setups on Navy Megs (back me up here DeMundus) have to fit one.
2. The tank is extremely strong and I much prefer eanms to actives, however if you do want to go active I'd go 3x 64% (exp kin therm), a DCU and an EANM.
3. I prefer the extra low and armor on the Navy Meg to the Vindi's cap bonus.
4. 2 Centus X-Type LARs on a Hyperion with BS 5 is roughly equivalent to 4 T2 LARs.
I'm quite positive that if you drop a corpum EANM, fit an RCU II, drop an ancillery current unit and fit an auxillery nano pump, you'll have a stronger tank...
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Ikvar
I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
I'm quite positive that if you drop a corpum EANM, fit an RCU II, drop an ancillery current unit and fit an auxillery nano pump, you'll have a stronger tank...
I'm quite positive that I find your idea horrible.
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Spoony Brook
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Navy Mega:
7x Electron II, TS/DB Medium Neut
Gist Mwd, Domi Web, Domi 30k, TS/DB Injector
2x Centus X Reps, 3x Centus X Hardeners, 2x Corpum EANM, IFFA I/DCU II
3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I`s
This does tank a small fleet.
It certainly does 
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Deathbarrage
I'm quite positive that if you drop a corpum EANM, fit an RCU II, drop an ancillery current unit and fit an auxillery nano pump, you'll have a stronger tank...
I'm quite positive that I find your idea horrible.
why? because it saves you 350mil or because you have to fit 2 fitting mods?
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Dol Amroth
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:27:00 -
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Or you get around from having to use CPU fitting a Corpum EANM and fit a high end office Adaptive Nano, thus saving CPU enough to fit officer mag stabs instead of Shadow Serpentis and perhaps if you tweak it just right enough to not need to fit a CPU mod in the last low slot.
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Dol Amroth
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:32:00 -
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Meant to say this also but forgot to mention that High Grade Snakes and a Gistii X-type AB do a world of wonder over an equivalent MWD for not gimping your cap and still allowing you use within deadspace to kill [people] inside.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:40:00 -
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Since my latest fad is T2 rail fleet snipers. Navy megathron. 27k armor with ease.
And yes I would fly such a ship in fleet fights.
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Royaldo
Old Farts
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:46:00 -
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vindi, 1 extra bonus over the other 2 ships.
the mwd bonus is great.
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Terrak2
Definition Of Destruction
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:10:00 -
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Hyperion with a decent setup is best, but Vindi is more flexible.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:29:00 -
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tbh I can't really see how the hype is better at anything but tanking...
lack of tracking bonus ****s you up REAL bad if using void, what is what you should be using imho
You're using 5x med drones versus the 5x heavy drones of the mega so I'm not sure you have more dps (certainly not actually since most people on a hyp just fit 1 MFS II)
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
tbh I can't really see how the hype is better at anything but tanking...
lack of tracking bonus ****s you up REAL bad if using void, what is what you should be using imho
You're using 5x med drones versus the 5x heavy drones of the mega so I'm not sure you have more dps (certainly not actually since most people on a hyp just fit 1 MFS II)
Just because you can't fit a full set doesn't mean you can't fit them at all, 4 heavies works.
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Natheniel
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.17 19:40:00 -
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Hyperion is great for playing bait when trying to get some one to engage your gang. vindicator is awsome for EW in the sence you can fit 1 - 3 points in the mids, which is good for going after people who love their stabs to much, or fitting two faction webs for those pesky nano ships. in pvp flexable mid slots are very very useful for going after people. the navy mega is an awsome tank with 8 lows but not expendable like hyperion is so it cant be bait, but its an awsome mission runner. also the vindi has the 25% bonus to turret damage right off the bat, so if your like me and dont wanna train 50 days for gal BS 5 it works out nicely
My suggestion for use?
Hyperion -> expendable bait ship
Vindicator -> solo pwnmobiel
Navy Mega-> mission runner
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THRASHER23
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 14:49:00 -
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I'm having the same issue on what to fly atm. I like both the navy mega and the vindi the hyperion is just a ****ty ship imo cause it dosen't have a tracking bonus, thx ccp. anyway the extra low on the navy mega is very nice since you can fit for extra dmg/tank but the vindi has a cap bonus so...I'm really torn between the two. also i hate using electrons or ions on my bs, it drives me crazy. Is there a way to fit some officer/faction blasters w/ the dps of neutrons but w/ less pg? Reason I'm asking is if I run across a Mach I think the mach wil out dmg me 1vs1 since im using the freak'n electrons and such. This is mainly where my delima lies, what gun to use for max dmg and what ship is best for solo.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.18 15:16:00 -
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for me it depends on 2 thing.
Pre kali every frickin ship u would engage seemed to have a multi spec which could turn the tide of a fight so eccm on such an expensive ship was important so vindi ftw. also if u fit a decent multi spec urself then it was insanely good. post kali this isn't very important and ecm is used much less so i would much prefer the extra dmg/tank slot to a eccm, sensor booster, tracking disruptor or random other ewar mod.
also the vindicator bear in mind is a short cut to gallente bs5. u get a 25% damage bonus for the ship which is basically like having %5 per lvl of bs on the navy mega. if u don't have bs5 then i'd go vindicator as a 5% drop in damage from guns is a fair bit of dps. if u have bs5 then the navy mega for me, no question these days.
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thesulei
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.18 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: thesulei on 18/03/2007 16:46:20
One cap injector (even officer) can't keep up with dual 450cap-repairers by long shot...just a remark for alot of the setups posted here.
Edit:
Imo, it just shows that alot of the posted setups are theoretical and only few people have experience flying multibillion blaster setups in pvp. Fitting dual centus repairers with 1 injector is nothing but an enormous waste of isk.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.18 16:59:00 -
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btw wouldn't an adaptive nano plating (TS or officer) give better res then 3x corpum EANM due to the stacking penalty?
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.03.18 17:25:00 -
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I actually really like both the Vindicator and the Navy Megathron, though you can do something quite different with the Vindicator to the Navy Megathron these days...
Oh and as pointed out, Dual Centus/Corpus LAR setups, with all guns blazing = OMGWTFCAP!!
(around -100/sec all in)
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.18 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
btw wouldn't an adaptive nano plating (TS or officer) give better res then 3x corpum EANM due to the stacking penalty?
confused. u realise that platings still get stacking penalties against the eanm's right? so same penalty, less resists.
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PauZotoh Zhaan
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Posted - 2007.03.18 22:06:00 -
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You can always switch to core x-type armore reps, they "eat" 400cap per cycle, but you will still need cap for guns and hardeners,
You said TS nos but which one? heavy or medium? I can put ions with medium one, but for heavy I have to sacrifice dmg and switch to electrons.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.18 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: thesulei
Edited by: thesulei on 18/03/2007 16:46:20
One cap injector (even officer) can't keep up with dual 450cap-repairers by long shot...just a remark for alot of the setups posted here.
Edit:
Imo, it just shows that alot of the posted setups are theoretical and only few people have experience flying multibillion blaster setups in pvp. Fitting dual centus repairers with 1 injector is nothing but an enormous waste of isk.
too bloody right.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.19 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Navy mega is superior... 8 lows with all iStab&Nano
Not all that superior for long.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.19 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: thesulei
Edited by: thesulei on 18/03/2007 16:46:20
One cap injector (even officer) can't keep up with dual 450cap-repairers by long shot...just a remark for alot of the setups posted here.
Edit:
Imo, it just shows that alot of the posted setups are theoretical and only few people have experience flying multibillion blaster setups in pvp. Fitting dual centus repairers with 1 injector is nothing but an enormous waste of isk.
The heavy nos cycle plus the 800 charge gives you the cap for both does it not?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan
Edited by: PauZotoh Zhaan on 18/03/2007 22:32:21
Edited by: PauZotoh Zhaan on 18/03/2007 22:28:15
Edited by: PauZotoh Zhaan on 18/03/2007 22:23:32
Edited by: PauZotoh Zhaan on 18/03/2007 22:13:57
You can always switch to core x-type armore reps, they "eat" 400cap per cycle, but you will still need cap for guns and hardeners,
You said TS nos but which one? heavy or medium? I can put ions with medium one, but for heavy I have to sacrifice dmg and switch to electrons.
Test setup for vinid:
Vindicator
True Sansha Medium Nosferatu
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Domination Warp Disruptor
Domination Stasis Webifier
Raysere's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Internal Force Field Array I
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Rigs : Ancillary Current Router I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \
Ogre II
Ogre II
Ogre II
Ogre II
Ogre II
9999 shield, 12.5/s, E/T/K/Ex=11/29/46/64
11622 armor, E/T/K/Ex=65/79/79/71
6581.250000000001 cap, +18.62/s, -153.442/s
1812.0 m/s (with snakes)
953.8 DPS (raw dmg, no resistance including t2 drones)
Navy Mega
Megathron Navy Issue
True Sansha Medium Nosferatu
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Ion Blaster Cannon II [120xVoid L]
Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Raysere's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster
Domination Warp Disruptor
Domination Stasis Webifier
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Internal Force Field Array I
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Ancillary Current Router I \
Ogre II
Ogre II
Ogre II
Ogre II
Ogre II
10713 shield, 13.39/s, E/T/K/Ex=11/29/46/64
12451 armor, E/T/K/Ex=77/85/85/80
5062.5 cap, +14.32/s, -152.942/s
1812.0 m/s
926.7 DPS
-13,8CPU short :/
This with 5% less cpu for guns imps, 5% dmg for all guns, 5% dmg for large guns imps.
can you plz explain how the vindi setup has more dps then the navy mega?
both 7x ion with void, both 1x SS mag stab, both 25% dmg bonus, both 5x ogre II
can you plz expl
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:56:00 -
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Flying the navy mega myself. I love the looks and prefer it over the vindi for that reason. Considering faction BS make no sense in general allready it doesn't even matter anymore.
If you are just out for best performance i'd say get the vindi. The agility bonus and the additional cap over the navy mega is really nice.
Allthough as i keep telling Fraxy: The Navy mega is black!
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PauZotoh Zhaan
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Posted - 2007.03.19 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
can you plz explain how the vindi setup has more dps then the navy mega?
both 7x ion with void, both 1x SS mag stab, both 25% dmg bonus, both 5x ogre II
can you plz expl
Hmm proly becouse I have bs lvl4 and vindi give you 25% dmg bonus regarding bs lvl.
But I think mega can tank and deal more dmg then vindi, so I would choose navy mega.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.19 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: MOS DEF
Flying the navy mega myself. I love the looks and prefer it over the vindi for that reason. Considering faction BS make no sense in general allready it doesn't even matter anymore.
If you are just out for best performance i'd say get the vindi. The agility bonus and the additional cap over the navy mega is really nice.
Allthough as i keep telling Fraxy: The Navy mega is black!
does that make up for the lack of last low slot? (which is not neccesarily worse then a med slot imho since you already have 4 which is the basic need and it's hard to throw out any hardcore EW with 1 slot)
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: MOS DEF
Flying the navy mega myself. I love the looks and prefer it over the vindi for that reason. Considering faction BS make no sense in general allready it doesn't even matter anymore.
If you are just out for best performance i'd say get the vindi. The agility bonus and the additional cap over the navy mega is really nice.
Allthough as i keep telling Fraxy: The Navy mega is black!
does that make up for the lack of last low slot? (which is not neccesarily worse then a med slot imho since you already have 4 which is the basic need and it's hard to throw out any hardcore EW with 1 slot)
does the navy mega being black make up for a missing low slot. hell if i could pay a bil for a bright pink ship then i'd take a 1,1,1 layout
looks > effectiveness
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.19 16:10:00 -
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Depends on your playing style. Find it daniel son.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2007.03.19 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: MOS DEF
Flying the navy mega myself. I love the looks and prefer it over the vindi for that reason. Considering faction BS make no sense in general allready it doesn't even matter anymore.
If you are just out for best performance i'd say get the vindi. The agility bonus and the additional cap over the navy mega is really nice.
Allthough as i keep telling Fraxy: The Navy mega is black!
does that make up for the lack of last low slot? (which is not neccesarily worse then a med slot imho since you already have 4 which is the basic need and it's hard to throw out any hardcore EW with 1 slot)
I think it does yes. The Extra mid can be utilised for second scrambler, EW (requires dedication) or SB which is very nice on a BS.
The Mwd bonus is just pure sex along with agility and in my case it definitely makes up for lack of a low-slot.
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Durethia
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.19 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Navy Mega:
7x Electron II, TS/DB Medium Neut
Gist Mwd, Domi Web, Domi 30k, TS/DB Injector
2x Centus X Reps, 3x Centus X Hardeners, 2x Corpum EANM, IFFA I/DCU II
3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I`s
This does tank a small fleet.
Note this setup. This setup has been tried and tested, and I serve as witness.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.19 19:46:00 -
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Vindicator has a cooler name, so it's a clear winner.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:38:00 -
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Im feeling the navy mega atm.
If you got ISK to spend, get a LG/HG slave set and fit the following:
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II
1x "Strigoi" Medium Nosferatu
1x Gist MWD
1x Domi Web
1x Domi Disruptor
1x Heavy Cap Injector II
1x Centus X-Type Large Armour Repairer (whichever 1260)
1x 1600mm reinforced rolled tungsten armour plating
1x Centum A-Type EANM(28%)
3x 64% Hardeners
2x SS MFS
fits with 3% cpu implant.
3x Trimark Armour Pump Rig II
Whatever drone combo you want, Ogre II's are always a safe bet imo.
30588 armour without slaves
40986 armour with LG slaves
46992 armour with HG slaves
That is how i would personally fit it, suitable gank, little bit of tank.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2007.03.20 18:15:00 -
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Always fit a Damage Control on either ship. No ifs or buts, just do it.
15% non-stacked resists on top of hardeners/eanms and the 14k structure with 58/60% resist as fail-safe is just ace.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Eamz on 20/03/2007 18:39:26
no, not really. i would get more armour resist from a third EANM and since the bulk of my hp is armour, a DCU is certainly not worth it. I dont want to sacrifice damage to fit a third EANM and so i definitely dont want to sacrifice damage to fit a DCU.
edit: i understand what you mean btw, and i fit DCU on everything, but i wouldnt with that setup.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 20/03/2007 19:11:01
Navy Mega:
9961 Armor base
12451.25 With Mechanics 5
12451.25 x (1.2)^3 = 21515.76 HP
Rough resists with your hardeners:
73.5
78.5
84.3
84.3
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77.6 Averaged
21515.76 / 0.224 = 96052.5 Effective HP
With 1600mm RT;
(9961 + 4200) x 1.25 x (1.2)^3 = 30587.76 HP / 0.224 = 136552.5 Effective HP
With Damage Control II;
77.4
81.7
86.6
86.6
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83
9961 x 1.25 x (1.2)^3 = 21515.76 HP / 0.17 = 126563.3 Effective HP
Summary: (3x Centus X Hardeners + Corpum A-Type EANM +)
Nothing - 96052.5 Effective HP
1600mm RT - 136552.5 Effective HP (42.164% over 'Nothing')
DCU II - 126563.3 Effective HP ( 31.765% over 'Nothing'
Now, as you can see the DCU does not fall far behind along with increasing DPS tankable from 500 DPS averaged to 658.8 DPS averaged giving a 31.7647% increase in repairer tank while having a 10.4% less Buffer tank.
Second summary:
Take off 1600mm plate and fit a Damage Control II.
Edit:
This is without Implants, but same procentage will stand with whatever Pirate Implants / Hardwirings you plug in.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Eamz on 20/03/2007 20:25:36
yer i think i would have noticed that if i bothered to do any calculations, i always forget that a % increase in resistance doesnt represent a % increase in tankability, cos of the 1/ factor. In that case i would prolly go with DCU over the plate.
edit: thought something didnt add up, your average resistance on my setup is screwed, which results in there being 60% more hp over "nothing".
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FraXy
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eamz
Edited by: Eamz on 20/03/2007 20:25:36
yer i think i would have noticed that if i bothered to do any calculations, i always forget that a % increase in resistance doesnt represent a % increase in tankability, cos of the 1/ factor. In that case i would prolly go with DCU over the plate.
edit: thought something didnt add up, your average resistance on my setup is screwed, which results in there being 60% more hp over "nothing".
Might actually help to spend 1 minute pointing out or correcting what`s wrong.
Only tried to show that a DCU II is a much better way to go then 1600 plate.
If we take structure into addition which gets 60% resist over 0 that is 14125 Effective Structure vs 35312.5 Effective Structure.
Do as you feel best, but no DCU on a Mega is just a waste.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Edited by: FraXy on 20/03/2007 19:11:01
Navy Mega:
9961 Armor base
12451.25 With Mechanics 5
12451.25 x (1.2)^3 = 21515.76 HP
Rough resists with your hardeners:
73.5
78.5
84.3
84.3
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77.6 Averaged
21515.76 / 0.224 = 96052.5 Effective HP
With 1600mm RT;
(9961 + 4200) x 1.25 x (1.2)^3 = 30587.76 HP / 0.224 = 136552.5 Effective HP
With Damage Control II;
77.4
81.7
86.6
86.6
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83
9961 x 1.25 x (1.2)^3 = 21515.76 HP / 0.17 = 126563.3 Effective HP
Summary: (3x Centus X Hardeners + Corpum A-Type EANM +)
Nothing - 96052.5 Effective HP
1600mm RT - 136552.5 Effective HP (42.164% over 'Nothing')
DCU II - 126563.3 Effective HP ( 31.765% over 'Nothing'
Now, as you can see the DCU does not fall far behind along with increasing DPS tankable from 500 DPS averaged to 658.8 DPS averaged giving a 31.7647% increase in repairer tank while having a 10.4% less Buffer tank.
Second summary:
Take off 1600mm plate and fit a Damage Control II.
Edit:
This is without Implants, but same procentage will stand with whatever Pirate Implants / Hardwirings you plug in.
can you explain the *(1.2)^3 plz?
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FraXy
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:29:00 -
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3x T2 Trimark Pumps.
1.2 = 20% increase
1.2 x 1.2 x 1.2 = (1.2)^3 = 1.728 = 72.8% increase in Armor HP
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Eamz on 20/03/2007 21:42:55
Edited by: Eamz on 20/03/2007 21:42:28
Originally by: FraXy
Rough resists with your hardeners:
73.5
78.5
84.3
84.3
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77.6 Averaged
is what is wrong, which is what i said before. 80.15% Averaged is the actual figure which results in 154095.5 Effective HP which is 60.4% over "Nothing", which equates to 21.75% more buffer on armour or roughly 36600 as a value.
And i never said it was a waste, i actually said i would probably use on instead of the plate despite your error because of the structure resistances playing a role etc.
edit: and it also means that your % more effective repped amount goes down to 16.8% over my setup.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eamz
Im feeling the navy mega atm.
If you got ISK to spend, get a LG/HG slave set and fit the following:
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II
1x "Strigoi" Medium Nosferatu
1x Gist MWD
1x Domi Web
1x Domi Disruptor
1x Heavy Cap Injector II
1x Centus X-Type Large Armour Repairer (whichever 1260)
1x 1600mm reinforced rolled tungsten armour plating
1x Centum A-Type EANM(28%)
3x 64% Hardeners
2x SS MFS
fits with 3% cpu implant.
3x Trimark Armour Pump Rig II
Whatever drone combo you want, Ogre II's are always a safe bet imo.
30588 armour without slaves
40986 armour with LG slaves
46992 armour with HG slaves
That is how i would personally fit it, suitable gank, little bit of tank.
Interesting setup, only downside is speed:(
I can fly about 1,8km/s with snakes on vindi/mega
With slave imps and those rigs speed will drop to 1,1km/s+- but dps around 1000 with drones sounds nice plus you dont have to worry so much about cap. and 40k+ armor is enought to kill 1-2 bs in row.
Problem is to get those rigs.
What to choose what to choose too many posibilities:)
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Kartock Maar
Harbingers of Sarrow
Yarrbear Equity and Trade Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:12:00 -
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I use Mega Modal Neutrons with caldari/fed navy antimatter. Better fitting and no tracking/range nerf and awesome falloff range. Can be used pretty effectively at 15km. I also tend to use medium ecm drones or webbing drones which will effectively free up a mid slot if you just need it for something else. Also use a cpu implant and you are good with good weapons upgrade skill. This is all on the Navy mega btw as I am purely Gal speced. With about 10 mil sp in gunnery all blasters and rails.
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.28 06:34:00 -
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I believe my fit for my Navy Mega at the moment is...
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II's (Fed AM/Null)
Best named Remote LAR
Faction AB
TS Heavy Injector
X5 Web
Faint Warp Scram
Faction kin/therm/expl hardners
DCU II
2x Amarr Navy LARs
2x Shadow Serp Magstabs
2 nanopump and 1 accelerator rig.
4 Ogre IIs/5 Warrior IIs
Total cost is well under a billion, puts out damn near if not 1000dps, and tanks like a sonufagon.
The remote rep (for those that will inevitably go 'wtf') is because I fly the Navythron with my buddies Vindi and we remote rep each other.
Vindi/Navythron tag team is pretty badass :p
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