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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:21:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
ok, i get that and i agree... but with time xp will become obsolete, microsoft will stop supporting it and releasing patches and fixes and such and at a point you will have no choice but to switch to vista...
Not going to happen. The vast majority of businesses refuse to upgrade from XP or 2000 to Vista because they have no need to.
As long as there are 100s of millions of business computers running XP and 2000, they will still be supported.
Regardless, the day Microsoft ends support for XP is the day I switch to Linux, unless they've magically come up with a good operating system that doesn't steal control of your computer. Which is unlikely.
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:25:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Apparently CCP disagrees. They want to lock us out of a considerable new portion of the game just because we choose to keep control of our own computers.
Of course I could install Linux and use WINE to play EVE, which would be pretty ironic considering the whole point of this is to lock us into Microsoft products 
For someone that plays a game with market driven economy you sure do lack the basic understanding of market driven economy. PLEASE don't turn this into a anti-microsoft bla bla discussion. You DO have the choice to play the game like the DEVELOPERS see it fit to evolve. You DO have the choice not to use windows vista, heck windows at all if you dont see it fit. Use linux, unix, osx, beos, amiga os, bsd what ever you want.
Oh and since you seem to want to run linux, the linux client should make you happy shouldn't it? Or have you read some sort of secret ccp memo where they said that the linux version WOULDNT get the station-walking-experience? Geezz..
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente
Eternal Rising
EternalRising
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:25:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
Well then dont... your not being forced to!
Apparently CCP disagrees. They want to lock us out of a considerable new portion of the game just because we choose to keep control of our own computers.
Of course I could install Linux and use WINE to play EVE, which would be pretty ironic considering the whole point of this is to lock us into Microsoft products
You can still play the EVE you have always played without having to touch another OS. Station interaction isnt necessary and it isnt an origional planned feature... therefore you wont be missing out on the game your currently playing, just the 'walkin and talkin' feature of the NEW eve.
Still, it understandable.... but look on the bright side, if your inside a station you wont be able to fire off hundreds of rounds of antimatter... which is the main reason to play eve, isnt it!!!!!! 
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:29:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Victor Valka on 15/03/2007 13:25:49
How about we stop giving CCP flak for their business decisions? It's their business after all, and if you don't like their product I suggest you take you money elsewhere. Plenty of MMOG out there.
If you don't want to do that, I suggest you either:
a) swallow it,
b) be a good alternative OS activist and start blowing up Windows installations worldwide.
Like it or not, Windows is the most popular desktop OS at this point in time and CCP is going where the money is. Can't say I blame them. Even if I don't agree with their decisions in which I have no part in.
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:29:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Banana Torres
I support the move to Windows Vista and DX10.
Vista is by far and away the best OS in the world just now. It makes OS X and linux look like they belong in the last millenium.
You really have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Try out the real OSs before jumping to a conclusion. OSX is at least 2 years ahead of Vista and Leopard OSX10.5 will ad 2 years on top of that (http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/).
I used windows 1.0 when it came out (how many here have done that?) so i used to be a long-term user of MS. I hoped Vista would solve the problems in XP regarding working with multiple documents and application that need to be open simultaneusly (we are not talking about few) but it didnt. Instead it raised the bar of hardware requirements which is just stubid. MacOSX can run on a six year old machine but Vista fully featured cannot run on my 9 month old IBM laptop!!! I was lended a Vista laptop in November when it came out and after having it for a 3 weeks I returned it. I was not happy. Looked at Mac book Pro and fell in love with the OSX system. I run the programes I need from Windows through parallels virtually (fortunatevly not many) and use Mac equvivalents softwares. And the OSX has a real sleep function which makes the computer go instantly in hypernation, even with all the programs open.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:30:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Victor Valka
Like it or not, Windows the the most popular desktop OS at this point in time and CCP is going where the money is. Can't say I blame them. Even if I don't agree with their decisions in which I have no part in.
Then why are CCP making clients for both Linux and OS X, but refuse to make one for Windows XP?
Your argument makes no sense.
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Jags
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:30:00 -
[37]
There is no actual confirmation from CCP there , only hearsay from the writer of that article.
Until CCP confirm or deny this I would hold fire
I use Vista as I got a free copy of the Ultimate version. Does what it says on the tin tbh but it helps when you disable a lot of the user account nonsense so you cna have a good play about it
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:31:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Impericus
You really have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Try out the real OSs before jumping to a conclusion. OSX is at least 2 years ahead of Vista and Leopard OSX10.5 will ad 2 years on top of that (http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/).
I used windows 1.0 when it came out (how many here have done that?) so i used to be a long-term user of MS. I hoped Vista would solve the problems in XP regarding working with multiple documents and application that need to be open simultaneusly (we are not talking about few) but it didnt. Instead it raised the bar of hardware requirements which is just stubid. MacOSX can run on a six year old machine but Vista fully featured cannot run on my 9 month old IBM laptop!!! I was lended a Vista laptop in November when it came out and after having it for a 3 weeks I returned it. I was not happy. Looked at Mac book Pro and fell in love with the OSX system. I run the programes I need from Windows through parallels virtually (fortunatevly not many) and use Mac equvivalents softwares. And the OSX has a real sleep function which makes the computer go instantly in hypernation, even with all the programs open.
You have only Steve Jobs to blame for not promoting Macs as a gaming platform. I suggest you write him a letter.
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:32:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
Well then dont... your not being forced to!
Apparently CCP disagrees. They want to lock us out of a considerable new portion of the game just because we choose to keep control of our own computers.
Of course I could install Linux and use WINE to play EVE, which would be pretty ironic considering the whole point of this is to lock us into Microsoft products
Damn Microsoft for not releasing Halo on Playsation! Damn Sony for not releasing tekken on wii! Damn Nintendo for not releasing their mario games on any other platform! Heck even damn them all for releasing new consoles with limited backwards compatability! Boo-hoo me.
To play a game you will need to meet the specs (hardware and/or software) that the developers choose to target. You choose to play eve and you indireclty choose your platform for it. Stop whining and SWITCH operating system if you want. There's alot of "i could" and "i will" in your posts.. whats stopping you? The boogy man?
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:33:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Victor Valka
Like it or not, Windows the the most popular desktop OS at this point in time and CCP is going where the money is. Can't say I blame them. Even if I don't agree with their decisions in which I have no part in.
Then why are CCP making clients for both Linux and OS X, but refuse to make one for Windows XP?
Your argument makes no sense.
Both Linux and OS X clients are being made jointly with Transgaming. Well, mostly by Transgaming. The devil is in the details.
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:36:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
ok, i get that and i agree... but with time xp will become obsolete, microsoft will stop supporting it and releasing patches and fixes and such and at a point you will have no choice but to switch to vista...
Yeah. And that's an excellent marketing line to bring in the new customers, eh?
BUY VISTA OR DIE. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
There's a reason why it's not the tagline of every company out there. Some people, I dunno, don't really like that sort of thing. It pushes them to alternatives.
If it works on customers, that's a bad thing for many reasons.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
quote pyramid
Not going to happen. The vast majority of businesses refuse to upgrade from XP or 2000 to Vista because they have no need to.
As long as there are 100s of millions of business computers running XP and 2000, they will still be supported.
Regardless, the day Microsoft ends support for XP is the day I switch to Linux, unless they've magically come up with a good operating system that doesn't steal control of your computer. Which is unlikely.
I'm a little confused, what do you mean by "steal control of your computer"?
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:41:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Fenlaw on 15/03/2007 13:37:27
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
quote pyramid
Not going to happen. The vast majority of businesses refuse to upgrade from XP or 2000 to Vista because they have no need to.
As long as there are 100s of millions of business computers running XP and 2000, they will still be supported.
Regardless, the day Microsoft ends support for XP is the day I switch to Linux, unless they've magically come up with a good operating system that doesn't steal control of your computer. Which is unlikely.
I'm a little confused, what do you mean by "steal control of your computer"?
Oh noes! You had to ask... quick run! THE MEN IN BLACK SUITS WILL COME FOR YOU!! Run and spread the truth, we cannot be silenced!!! FREEDOM! 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Fenlaw
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
Well then dont... your not being forced to!
Apparently CCP disagrees. They want to lock us out of a considerable new portion of the game just because we choose to keep control of our own computers.
Of course I could install Linux and use WINE to play EVE, which would be pretty ironic considering the whole point of this is to lock us into Microsoft products
Damn Microsoft for not releasing Halo on Playsation! Damn Sony for not releasing tekken on wii! Damn Nintendo for not releasing their mario games on any other platform! Heck even damn them all for releasing new consoles with limited backwards compatability! Boo-hoo me.
To play a game you will need to meet the specs (hardware and/or software) that the developers choose to target. You choose to play eve and you indireclty choose your platform for it. Stop whining and SWITCH operating system if you want. There's alot of "i could" and "i will" in your posts.. whats stopping you? The boogy man?
Imagine a new stadium was built in your home town. You really want to go see a game there, so you go to drive there.
Once you get to the entrance, your car is stopped. You pull down your window, and the police tell you that you need a Tracking Device to enter. This Device sends to the police the location of your car at all times, and automatically shuts down the engine if you are doing anything suspicious. It costs you 2000 dollars.
You can't go to the new stadium until you buy the Device.
You complain, but everyone says "well you need to upgrade! Its not a big deal!"
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:43:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 13:40:14
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
quote pyramid
Not going to happen. The vast majority of businesses refuse to upgrade from XP or 2000 to Vista because they have no need to.
As long as there are 100s of millions of business computers running XP and 2000, they will still be supported.
Regardless, the day Microsoft ends support for XP is the day I switch to Linux, unless they've magically come up with a good operating system that doesn't steal control of your computer. Which is unlikely.
I'm a little confused, what do you mean by "steal control of your computer"?
Read this. It will scare you.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:48:00 -
[46]
All you people spouting "It's the way it is, suck it down and get over it"; the only reason I have to suck it down and get over it is because of people like you. The people that sit at home and don't vote, then complain about the government.
-omg-
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:49:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Fenlaw
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
Well then dont... your not being forced to!
Apparently CCP disagrees. They want to lock us out of a considerable new portion of the game just because we choose to keep control of our own computers.
Of course I could install Linux and use WINE to play EVE, which would be pretty ironic considering the whole point of this is to lock us into Microsoft products
Damn Microsoft for not releasing Halo on Playsation! Damn Sony for not releasing tekken on wii! Damn Nintendo for not releasing their mario games on any other platform! Heck even damn them all for releasing new consoles with limited backwards compatability! Boo-hoo me.
To play a game you will need to meet the specs (hardware and/or software) that the developers choose to target. You choose to play eve and you indireclty choose your platform for it. Stop whining and SWITCH operating system if you want. There's alot of "i could" and "i will" in your posts.. whats stopping you? The boogy man?
Imagine a new stadium was built in your home town. You really want to go see a game there, so you go to drive there.
Once you get to the entrance, your car is stopped. You pull down your window, and the police tell you that you need a Tracking Device to enter. This Device sends to the police the location of your car at all times, and automatically shuts down the engine if you are doing anything suspicious. It costs you 2000 dollars.
You can't go to the new stadium until you buy the Device.
You complain, but everyone says "well you need to upgrade! Its not a big deal!"
Again, for you to have any form of credability you need to state why you are running a windows machine when its obviously so bad, big-brother-is-watching-preventing-you-from-doing-what-you-want terrible. Again alot of "i could", "i will" but yet.. you use it. Flaming for the sake of flaming - getting so old, this discussion has been going on since the 80s
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:51:00 -
[48]
Ok, let me make it clear that every time i load this site up and I see a .asp page I die a little inside.
However, their decision to make the in-station engine in DX10 isnt as bad as everyone is trying to make out. This isnt an upgrade to EVE's graphics engine, its a whole new engine and you cant seriously suggest they write 2 brand new engines from scratch?
I once loaded EVE onto a spare PC with an onboard video card. EVE didnt work, should CCP have made a version that supports outdated hardware? NO! I just went and bought a new video card and all was well.
Technology moves forward, you dont have to change with it, but dont ***** if you cant access newer content.
The same goes with HD-DVD and BLU-RAY stuff thats coming out, youll have to adapt or not access the new stuff. It goes with everything.
Anyway, I'll leave you guys to get back to your typewriters, feel free to telegraph me any time, although my morse is a little rusty.
o/
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:52:00 -
[49]
Originally by: hired goon
All you people spouting "It's the way it is, suck it down and get over it"; the only reason I have to suck it down and get over it is because of people like you. The people that sit at home and don't vote, then complain about the government.
we are talking about microsoft here... they have always done what they whant when they want. Having an amzing amount of money allows you that. good thing is there are alternatives especially with macs becoming very popular fast
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:52:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Fenlaw
Again, for you to have any form of credability you need to state why you are running a windows machine when its obviously so bad, big-brother-is-watching-preventing-you-from-doing-what-you-want terrible. Again alot of "i could", "i will" but yet.. you use it. Flaming for the sake of flaming - getting so old, this discussion has been going on since the 80s
I'm running XP, not Vista. The laptop I'm on now came with Vista. I wiped it upon delivery.
Please click the link I posted above before posting.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:53:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Ionia
Ok, let me make it clear that every time i load this site up and I see a .asp page I die a little inside.
However, their decision to make the in-station engine in DX10 isnt as bad as everyone is trying to make out. This isnt an upgrade to EVE's graphics engine, its a whole new engine and you cant seriously suggest they write 2 brand new engines from scratch?
I once loaded EVE onto a spare PC with an onboard video card. EVE didnt work, should CCP have made a version that supports outdated hardware? NO! I just went and bought a new video card and all was well.
Technology moves forward, you dont have to change with it, but dont ***** if you cant access newer content.
The same goes with HD-DVD and BLU-RAY stuff thats coming out, youll have to adapt or not access the new stuff. It goes with everything.
Anyway, I'll leave you guys to get back to your typewriters, feel free to telegraph me any time, although my morse is a little rusty.
o/
These aren't normal upgrades. They don't simply make stuff better. Have you even been paying attention? Did you actually read the thread?
-omg-
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:54:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ionia
Ok, let me make it clear that every time i load this site up and I see a .asp page I die a little inside.
However, their decision to make the in-station engine in DX10 isnt as bad as everyone is trying to make out. This isnt an upgrade to EVE's graphics engine, its a whole new engine and you cant seriously suggest they write 2 brand new engines from scratch?
BUT THEY ARE!!!
CCP has said over and over there will be two new engines, one DX10 and one DX9.
All they're doing here is locking out a new feature, on the request of Microsoft, to people who don't pay for the privilege of Microsoft owning their computer.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:58:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 13:40:14
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
quote pyramid
Not going to happen. The vast majority of businesses refuse to upgrade from XP or 2000 to Vista because they have no need to.
As long as there are 100s of millions of business computers running XP and 2000, they will still be supported.
Regardless, the day Microsoft ends support for XP is the day I switch to Linux, unless they've magically come up with a good operating system that doesn't steal control of your computer. Which is unlikely.
I'm a little confused, what do you mean by "steal control of your computer"?
Read this. It will scare you.
Only barely skimmed it, but this is about the content protection that Vista needs to implement in order to use HDCP, correct?
I'm really beginning to hate DRM...
On the plus side, maybe Linux OS's can take advantage of this, and advertise Linux as being able to use higher quality video and audio than Windows...
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:58:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ionia
Ok, let me make it clear that every time i load this site up and I see a .asp page I die a little inside.
However, their decision to make the in-station engine in DX10 isnt as bad as everyone is trying to make out. This isnt an upgrade to EVE's graphics engine, its a whole new engine and you cant seriously suggest they write 2 brand new engines from scratch?
BUT THEY ARE!!!
CCP has said over and over there will be two new engines, one DX10 and one DX9.
All they're doing here is locking out a new feature, on the request of Microsoft, to people who don't pay for the privilege of Microsoft owning their computer.
You do know that the same discussion have literally been covered for every new release Microsoft had done right? Always amaze me how the "fanatics" always avoid answering direct questions and instead add more to their "propaganda". 
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:59:00 -
[55]
if you wish to play on a old computer with out dated software there is great DOS games like Pong still out there oh yes DOS was made by microsoft well there are lots of games from 1979 that did not use microsoft try the IBM song game !
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:01:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 13:58:53
Originally by: Fenlaw
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ionia
Ok, let me make it clear that every time i load this site up and I see a .asp page I die a little inside.
However, their decision to make the in-station engine in DX10 isnt as bad as everyone is trying to make out. This isnt an upgrade to EVE's graphics engine, its a whole new engine and you cant seriously suggest they write 2 brand new engines from scratch?
BUT THEY ARE!!!
CCP has said over and over there will be two new engines, one DX10 and one DX9.
All they're doing here is locking out a new feature, on the request of Microsoft, to people who don't pay for the privilege of Microsoft owning their computer.
You do know that the same discussion have literally been covered for every new release Microsoft had done right? Always amaze me how the "fanatics" always avoid answering direct questions and instead add more to their "propaganda".
Can you please stop posting and read the link I posted?
I don't like arguing with people who don't know any facts about the issue and base all their posts on predisposed assumptions.
Oh, and no other Microsoft operating system has included DRM built into its kernel, so no, you are wrong.
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:08:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 13:58:53
Originally by: Fenlaw
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ionia
Ok, let me make it clear that every time i load this site up and I see a .asp page I die a little inside.
However, their decision to make the in-station engine in DX10 isnt as bad as everyone is trying to make out. This isnt an upgrade to EVE's graphics engine, its a whole new engine and you cant seriously suggest they write 2 brand new engines from scratch?
BUT THEY ARE!!!
CCP has said over and over there will be two new engines, one DX10 and one DX9.
All they're doing here is locking out a new feature, on the request of Microsoft, to people who don't pay for the privilege of Microsoft owning their computer.
You do know that the same discussion have literally been covered for every new release Microsoft had done right? Always amaze me how the "fanatics" always avoid answering direct questions and instead add more to their "propaganda".
Can you please stop posting and read the link I posted?
I don't like arguing with people who don't know any facts about the issue and base all their posts on predisposed assumptions.
Oh, and no other Microsoft operating system has included DRM built into its kernel, so no, you are wrong.
I did skim it. Nothing new. Want me to cite a couple of sources saying the complete opposite? Do want to play "he said, she said" tag all day long? And when did this turn into a DRM discussion? What the heck does that have to do with your "wanting to watch fotball" analogy?
Thanks for me, this will be my last post in this thread, you as skidding all over the road now with your discussion(s)
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:10:00 -
[58]
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
ok, i get that and i agree... but with time xp will become obsolete, microsoft will stop supporting it and releasing patches and fixes and such and at a point you will have no choice but to switch to vista...
Yeah. And that's an excellent marketing line to bring in the new customers, eh?
BUY VISTA OR DIE. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
There's a reason why it's not the tagline of every company out there. Some people, I dunno, don't really like that sort of thing. It pushes them to alternatives.
If it works on customers, that's a bad thing for many reasons.
Please. Every major software comapany in the world will phase out old versions and present their customers with the choice (as you put it) "upgrade or die".
Making things up to support your arguement is stupid.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:10:00 -
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DS that is indeed a terrifying document, and what I understand of it (which is about 70% of the terminology and 90% of the implications) seems incredibly screwy. BUT.
Allow me this hypothesis, lets assume that the ONLY thing I use my PC for is playing games, forum whoring and working and playing the odd mp3. And that I own a nice big telly and a DVD player for watching most of the described premium content. Is Vista going to be bad for me? Or is it going to make the games I want to play even prettier with DX10 etc.
(This isn't actually a hypothesis, basically my PC is a console with a keyboard. Admittedly it's a console with a keyboard that i built myself, but I've never wanted to watch a movie on a 19" screen...)
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Nivek Branta
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:11:00 -
[60]
Interesting thread... all sorts of reasons for not wanting Vista.
I have a nice tangible one though: My bank (one of the largest in the world, 1st or 3rd depending on how you rank banks) does not allow Internet Banking through the Vista OS. As of three weeks ago they had no specific time-line implemented as to exactly when they were going to have it.
I thought this was pretty stupid, but after reading this thread I'm starting to maybe understand their reasons. If Vista forces the user to surrender so much control of their computer, perhaps that's why. I dunno' how this all works... I just like my computers to WORK when I need them, hence why I'm not upgrading to Vista anytime soon.
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