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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:03:00 -
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Atm I'm training for a ceptor, but when im done with that I would like to train for a fleet BS.
The problem is that I cant seem to find out wich is best for fleetplay (and medium sized gangs too)
I would like ppl's opinions on what they think is the best and why.
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:06:00 -
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Warlock or shadow priest.
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Marquis Dean
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Scordite
Warlock or shadow priest.
Heh heh. Use your missiles of exploding +4 for best effect.
Rokh is a fairly standard ship-of-the-line, but Megathrons/Hyperions are more flexible for other roles should you want a break from fleet slideshows.
I assume you want to pew pew? Cause if you're cool with a a supporting role you could always skill for a Scorpion/Lachesis/something else.
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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Feriluce on 15/03/2007 13:10:12
Originally by: Scordite
Warlock or shadow priest.
Thank you. Your serious and mature answer to my question really delighted me and renewed my hope in the future of mankind.
(aka. stfu and go troll in someone else's thread)
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:15:00 -
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IMHO i really don't think you can go wrong with the Mega. It always works well in fleet battles, and also in smaller gang warfare (Blasterthron).
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:16:00 -
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Removed off-topic remarks.
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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
I assume you want to pew pew? Cause if you're cool with a a supporting role you could always skill for a Scorpion/Lachesis/something else.
Yes, pew pew is ftw. I can fly a scorp decently, but I dont really like that kinda role tbh
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:34:00 -
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If you don't have t2 large guns, then the rokh is the only ship that really performs ok in a fleet.
Once you get t2 guns, the hyperion, and mega are both a little bit better than the rokh in my opinion (unless your whole fleet flies rokh's.)
The tempest kinda sucks for range and dps, but it is the most agile, so for smaller gangs where you're more likely to have to run, the tempest is great.
The abaddon and apoc are both good for big fleets, even though the abaddon has some cap issues. Geddons are a cheap alternative, but they out perform both of the others are closer ranges.
So for a new player, I'd suggest you get caldari bs lvl 4, and put t1 425 rails on a rokh. Once you get t2 rails, train for a mega/hyperion.
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Arquiteto
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:41:00 -
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The best fleet BS is the tempest without a doubt. Best alpha strike and when in fleets the alpha strike is what matters. T2 1400mm FTW \o/
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/03/2007 13:57:59
Originally by: Arquiteto
The best fleet BS is the tempest without a doubt. Best alpha strike and when in fleets the alpha strike is what matters. T2 1400mm FTW \o/
I would probebly say the Abaddon, because it has higher alpha and dps than a temptest, but it has major cap problems and the seriously good abaddon fitouts have to use some expensive rigs.
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Inquis Eisenhorn
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:14:00 -
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I've gotten a higher alpha with the Abaddon than that of a Tempest, they hurt like crazy in fleets, and can get decent range with tachyons, but if you are more intersted in outranging your enemy rather than doing tons of damage, then go with the Rokh.
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Almarez
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:36:00 -
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A nice cheap option is the Armageddon. If and when you get T2 pulse's on that thing it is quite deadly, especially if you have 5 heavy drones. Even with T1 pulses, you get some nice damage. That being said, with all the sniping warfare going on, I would really listen to those suggesting the Tempest, Rokh, and Abaddon.
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Sun Ra
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 16:23:00 -
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Dont listen to mr.nublet if fleet = 25+ than tempest = win as dps doesnt mean **** its all about the alpha, range isnt a problem with if you can use t2 guns/ammo
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/03/2007 16:50:20
Originally by: Almarez
A nice cheap option is the Armageddon. If and when you get T2 pulse's on that thing it is quite deadly, especially if you have 5 heavy drones. Even with T1 pulses, you get some nice damage.
And thats the problem. The OP was asking about fleet ships, but pulses on geddon means that you wont get a chance to use them. Pulse's are ok for a small gang option, but not for fleet where everyone is a minimum 100km away from each other, more usually 150-200km away.
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Lich Anama
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.15 16:58:00 -
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I¦m training to get T2 Arties...
Originally by: Lord WarATron
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I would probebly say the Abaddon, because it has higher alpha and dps than a temptest
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but here came that shaved head and made me think twice, so, abaddon has better dps AND better alpha than tempest AND maelstrom? something is wrong...
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Almarez
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Posted - 2007.03.15 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/03/2007 16:50:20
Originally by: Almarez
A nice cheap option is the Armageddon. If and when you get T2 pulse's on that thing it is quite deadly, especially if you have 5 heavy drones. Even with T1 pulses, you get some nice damage.
And thats the problem. The OP was asking about fleet ships, but pulses on geddon means that you wont get a chance to use them. Pulse's are ok for a small gang option, but not for fleet where everyone is a minimum 100km away from each other, more usually 150-200km away.
This is true if you assume that it is a sniper fleet. A trully smart fleet will have snipers but will also have closer ranged alpha strikers. That being said. Beams on a geddon work out okay also.
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Spenz
Gallente
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lich Anama
I¦m training to get T2 Arties...
Originally by: Lord WarATron
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I would probebly say the Abaddon, because it has higher alpha and dps than a temptest
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but here came that shaved head and made me think twice, so, abaddon has better dps AND better alpha than tempest AND maelstrom? something is wrong...
Nothing is wrong when you consider how cap-anemic the abaddon is. Good luck trying to do anything BUT sniping if you set the thing up for that. Same with its tank. Superb tank, but good luck doing anything else with it other than tanking.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Originally by: Lich Anama
I¦m training to get T2 Arties...
Originally by: Lord WarATron
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I would probebly say the Abaddon, because it has higher alpha and dps than a temptest
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but here came that shaved head and made me think twice, so, abaddon has better dps AND better alpha than tempest AND maelstrom? something is wrong...
Nothing is wrong when you consider how cap-anemic the abaddon is. Good luck trying to do anything BUT sniping if you set the thing up for that. Same with its tank. Superb tank, but good luck doing anything else with it other than tanking.
My Abaddon sucked. Then I put 3 x CCC's and now it's a monster.
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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:16:00 -
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*friendly bump* More oppinions ftw
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 15/03/2007 22:17:05
Rokh for extreme range
Mega for best overall damage
Tempest for best alpha damage
Apoc for not wanting to be primary lolz
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:35:00 -
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Taking into consideration MWD requirement, 150km-180km range, ability to fit plates/rep/dcu and cap mods: the best is probably the megathron, with the apoc coming in last.
The geddon with its low pg and only 3 medslots won't compete with the other ships since it even needs rcus just for the guns. Abbadon has serious cap issues and I'm not ******* kidding.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ferocious FeAr
Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 15/03/2007 22:17:05
Rokh for extreme range
Mega for best overall damage
Tempest for best alpha damage
Apoc for not wanting to be primary lolz
Or this. Win 
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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:41:00 -
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So it all boils down to, that there are no I-Win-Button-Fleet-BS?
Atm I have Caldari BS 3 (but no gunnery skills ) So the Rokh would be a decent choice?
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:08:00 -
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Oops, I got moderated. Ah well, it was a recycled joke anyways.
I can only echo what others have said. Mega is the most flexible choice, geddon the cheapest, rohk the easiest to get into, tempest and abaddon the more specialized choices.
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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Feriluce on 16/03/2007 00:06:17
Originally by: Scordite
rohk the easiest to get into, tempest and abaddon the more specialized choices.
Could you elaborate?
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DiuxDium
Loot
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 16/03/2007 00:45:06
^^^^^^ He means you don't need t2 rails for a rokh to fight in a fleet.
Tempest.
I will argue this until the day I die.
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Kassad II
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:54:00 -
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*bump before bedtime* :D
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.03.16 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Scordite
rohk the easiest to get into, tempest and abaddon the more specialized choices.
Could you elaborate?
Sure, rohk has the proper range even with tech1 ammo, so less skills before you can contribute effectively. Tempest and abaddon potentially contribute more effective damage (read alpha) than the other choices, but at a higher skillpoint and probably also isk investment (since both really start to shine with rigs added, cap for abaddon, falloff for tempest).
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.16 04:47:00 -
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Well, a nanophoon fleet could be pretty scary.  |
godders89
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Posted - 2007.03.16 07:22:00 -
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nanophoon is only good where there r not any sentries but it cud b a gd choice cus its really hard to hit unless webbed a lot.
if u r atkin anywhere near sentries ur screwed cus they can still track u at anyspeed
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