As a non-logistics/support player, i have drawn the following conclusion from the past 15 pages of responses to these changes:


A large majority of players think you, Fozzie, and your team are blathering idiots who have no actual idea how boosts should work. I am inclined to agree.

The Rorqual still receives better boosts outside of its siege mode than does the Orca.

Fit a Higgs rig to the Rorqual, drop it in a belt, and align out at 75% speed. You'll be outpaced by a snail, so you'll be able to stay in range of your mining fleet, and because you're aligned and most certainly not AFK, you can warp out just as soon as a hostile shows up in your system or intel channels.

I don't get all this "the Rorqual is dead" and "nullsec mining is dead" nonsense.

It's Risk vs. Reward: If you want the best reward, you need to put up the most risks, and just like pretty much everything else in EVE, the risk goes up significantly faster than the reward (which goes along with the absolute best mining buffs require you to lock yourself down for five minutes).

The only reason nullsec mining would die is if the putzes refuse to change their methods and refuse to look beyond their noses.

Thank you Mr. forum troll, your criticism provides so much insight into how things might need to be tweaked, in order to provide a better fit for the player base who DO actually fly logistics/support roles.

Looks really good, with one extremely glaring exception.

What was the justification for reducing Command Ships from three Links to two, other than forcing gangs to bring multiples?

Or was this just a typo?

No. A perfect Orca booster out performs a perfect non-sieged Rorqual. Thus no point to run the Rorq unless you have a immobilized it and put it at significant risk for 5 mins.

No. A perfect Orca booster out performs a perfect non-sieged Rorqual. Thus no point to run the Rorq unless you have a immobilized it and put it at significant risk for 5 mins.

If you don't understand the outcry, I guess the hold/cancellation on the last POS boosting changes escaped your attention.

But if it really makes you happy, here's a real simple suggestion: If CCP REALLY wants to change how one initiates boosts, make the modules use scripts, not ammo that needs to be reloaded. That way, at least we can stop wondering what'll happen to a borderline dead ship that suddenly loses HP boosts due to the boosting ship having to reload the ammo to keep the boost going.

Will the Titan Effect Generators affect everybody in range or just your fleet? If it is everyone (like wormhole effects) then it could be pretty powerful.

Awesome changes, I love it!

There's just one small concern I have about tech 3 Cruisers.
I have a feeling they can still be somewhat used safely.

Let's consider the Tengu for this example.

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Prototype Hyperspatial Accelerator
Prototype Hyperspatial Accelerator
Co-Processor II
Inertial Stabilizers II

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II

Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
COMMAND RIG
COMMAND RIG

Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

If you add mid-grade ascendacy implants to this fit it'll do 6.2 au/s.
Yeah that's all great and all but what's the issue with that?
Every 60 / 130 seconds you warp in the Tengu with a alt. You align out with the cloaking device running.
Deactivate cloaking device, hit link buffs and warp off to a safespot.

It's almost uncatchable since you'll be able to instantly warp it out after decloaking. Not to mention it's nullified so bubbles won't be a issue at all. Blog also mentioned link buffs will require alot of capacitor, which will be no problem for t3c at all ( yay cap battery's ).

I've got 2 proposals:
1: Proposal one is to make it impossible for tech 3 cruisers to use the nullification subsystem together with the warfare processor subsystem.
2: Penalize the link buff ship for 10 / 15 seconds not being able to warp.

Let me know what you guys think!
Other than that, very very stoked about the changes!!!

well A is blatant bullshit, anyone who has the skills can fly the ships and provide the boosts which guess what is exactly the same as it was before, and B is your opinion combined with a terrible analogy. Please explain why I or anyone else should find either of those things in the slightest bit convincing.

And Hamasaki perhaps you should wait for the actual details to come out, like perhaps in a dev blog they've already said will be coming well before the release of these changes, before you fly off the handle and start making a fool of yourself with wild claims.

It's Risk vs. Reward: If you want the best reward, you need to put up the most risks, and just like pretty much everything else in EVE, the risk goes up significantly faster than the reward (which goes along with the absolute best mining buffs require you to lock yourself down for five minutes).

but a 1% difference between a capital ship and a sub capital ship.. is just total bullchit and someone who came up with those figures didn't even bother to look at the price difference between the two ships. "oh hey spend 2.2bn+ for an extra measly 1% difference"..that guy must wear plaid panties.

It's going to take awhile for CCP to recover from the loss of Revenue. Very pro-pvp change but does not take into account that all the targets will be gone.

Not saying that it's a bad change for players but it is an incredibly terrible change for CCP


1. Cancel four accounts
2. reprocess all industrial related ships and modules
3. Reprocess of all leadership and command skill related modules and ships
4. Extract usesless skill points
5. Sell all and buy plexes for remaining accounts

But if it really makes you happy, here's a real simple suggestion: If CCP REALLY wants to change how one initiates boosts, make the modules use scripts, not ammo that needs to be reloaded. That way, at least we can stop wondering what'll happen to a borderline dead ship that suddenly loses HP boosts due to the boosting ship having to reload the ammo to keep the boost going.

No. A perfect Orca booster out performs a perfect non-sieged Rorqual. Thus no point to run the Rorq unless you have a immobilized it and put it at significant risk for 5 mins.

If you don't understand the outcry, I guess the hold/cancellation on the last POS boosting changes escaped your attention.

I agree with additional risk vs. reward. They were talking about giving the Rorqual capital mining drones and that would be an incentive to get Rorqs into the belts. But that's and additional feature, not a replacement. They need to give the Rorq additional incentives to get them to come out. Not turn them into PVP/Defense death pinatas.

It's going to take awhile for CCP to recover from the loss of Revenue. Very pro-pvp change but does not take into account that all the targets will be gone.

Not saying that it's a bad change for players but it is an incredibly terrible change for CCP


1. Cancel four accounts
2. reprocess all industrial related ships and modules
3. Reprocess of all leadership and command skill related modules and ships
4. Extract usesless skill points
5. Sell all and buy plexes for remaining accounts