What's funny to me is that the Rorqual will still offer better mining boosts than any other ship, even without being in Industrial Core mode. Despite that, people who had to know their "hide in the POS shield" playstyle was on life support for several years are completely freaking out.

It is interesting to see that people will actually have to fly the Rorqual now. They'll have to push buttons more than once and stuff. The Horror! The Horror! The real impact of this is not that the Rorqual will actually be at risk now, but that it will actually require regular player input, making it harder to multibox the ship.

I know I have trained up a Rorqual booster, three Exhumer pilots, and a hauler/scout pilot. In the past, I could easily forget about the Rorqual pilot in his POS, and focus on watching three Exhumers, the hauler or scout, and intel channels. Now I have to pay more attention to another pilot.

As someone who has always relied on multiple characters, I'm noticing the subtle shift CCP has in place to make each pilot matter more and require more player input. I don't have a problem with it, but I am noticing it. It's most evident in the recent Carrier changes. In the past, I could undock three Carriers, drop sentries, assign drones, and establish remote repair chains with ease. Now, that it is all but impossible to multibox Carriers with any degree of efficiency. But flying a single Carrier is a much more fun and engaging play style. I did decide to sell off a few of my Carriers because of these changes, but on the whole it's a good change. As this design philosophy sneaks into more game play aspects, it may eventually cause me to unsubscribe a couple more accounts, but I think in the long run it will make Eve a better, more engaging game.

Honestly this is pretty harsh for those who invested in fleet boosting for its passive effects. I have no intention of joining a large corp or having any major interaction with one, I however do maintain a large number of alts for hi sec mining which were assisted by a dedicated alt providing passive on grid boosts. I don't ever use crystals as I'm dedicated ice mining. Now it appears that to do the same thing that I have always done (and with a decent number of miners one cannot mine efficiently via AFK, one must pay attention to be effective), I have to spend money for ammo, click more and move more without any improvement in gameplay. I'm supposed to think that this is OK? An improvement? A bonus to gameplay? You just made it harder and more costly for me to play my chosen method of gameplay and have offered me no alternatives (refund SP, give time, refund implants, refund rigs, refund ships). Do you really want new(er) players at all that are not blob PVP oriented?

I'm not sure why combat boost issues are impacting non-combat boosts. Passive boosts are just that, passive. Choosing to eliminate all passive boosts is probably not the way to go. Micromanaging active boosters adds nothing to gameplay, particularly for miners. Adding additional complexity <> improved gameplay but is = to adding barriers to entry. I can somewhat see making combat boosters an ammo field (but then you have to remove the capacitor effects to be fair and then this changes LOTS of ships since now boosters would no longer drain cap).

Nearing 3 years into eve with 7 PAID accounts since I don't play that much and have no interest in PVP at all. I'll wait and see how this rolls out but from my initial look this is a fairly huge negative to hi sec miners that have utterly no interest in other portions of space. This may be a good time to examine other games to consume my cash...

Lots of text here, only have one question and one suggestion, if someone could assist.

As currently mainly a solo pilot, how do I know when another toon is under the influence of bonuses? In local like a criminal or only when i see the ship and effects?

Would suggest bonuses removed when ship enters warp is my only comment.

Thanks.

SURPRISE!!

you are playing an MMO so it will be balanced on the side of ppl working together rather than solo

So please explain why mining needs to have active boosts to improve mining gameplay?

because working together should be rewarding. boosts are just one way to do that

because working together should be rewarding. boosts are just one way to do that

Because if we can't hide our Nyx inside a POS shield why should a Rorqual be able to?

Now, you can use / fly the Orca into the belt, boost everybody and fly back, or even better use the Orca as hauler as well.
Not beeing forced to stay, where you are, cause Mindlinks would turn of, if you are start warping.

Your Command Ship or your T3 can fly arround, help the miners ratting, light a cyno, what ever you want - cause you are not forced to live on your safespot / close to POS / close to Citadel anymore.

This reminds me of the Battle-Orders-Barbarians in Diablo 2 ...

Why were the mining yield boosts replaced by a mining crystal destruction boost?

Crystals are a dime a dozen, or am I missing something?

Yep. Completely new bonus. A creative one, no doubt, but I still believe that by itself it doesn't really do nearly as much as the other two. I worry that it will become one of those boosts that doesn't really get used because its impact is so small.

If you read closely, two mining boosts had their powers combined to form captain planet!

The only thing that gives me pause is the stacking penalty.

Example: Seems odd that it may benefit a mining ship to NOT fit a MLU.

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But eliminating passive boosts entirely and making them all highly localized and cost money and,and,and is just not very thoughtful or consistent or proactive. And for an entire group (miners) it adds nothing to gameplay at all, just takes away.

Now watch CCP just ignore input/comments/etc and just ram this sucker

Only if you forgot to be 2-3 jumps in. It might be 15 seconds between when ceptors spike a system and shotgun anoms and when they land on you, if it's a small system. But it takes around 30 seconds to warp gate to gate in a typical nullsec system, so if you are watching the entrance to your bearing constellation and you're 2-3 jumps in you have at least 75-90 seconds to work with.

In short, don't be afk and bear while aligned.

Does that make leadership in real life a bad idea?

Can we have two threads, one for mining and one for pvp implications, some only interested in one or another I feel, would make thread more readable also.

This sounds like a good idea to structure feedback:

how is putting another ship in belt that now needs a pilot (not someone with their pc on at work) taking away gameplay

it may take away profits but that is not the same


and even in combat why should you be able to provide passive boosts?

i cant give passive RR i cant do passive DPS i cant do passive e-war

so now you need more orcas so there is MORE reason to train the skills as corps no longer just need one pilot why is that a bad thing

i can think of a lot of players who trained orca and were never able to use it because some one just left there orca alt on all day with an open fleet even w/o a pos