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Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.15 23:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 15/03/2007 23:19:34 Originally by: Simon Jax If tier 2 ships arenÆt supposed to be better in some way then why do they cost so damn much more? Because CCP made the mineral requirements higher. There are so so so many instances where "tier x > tier x - 1"... its not worth basing any arguments on :/ Quote: Again, IÆm intentionally glossing over the NOS issue, after which the Mega can indeed be set up to outlast the Domi. Gank domi might still fare just fine against the average mega :) Especially if you know how to fly it. Quote: Likewise with the Maller vs. Arbitrator, the Thorax vs. the Vexor. I know how to kill those cruisers with a Vexor as well :) Quote: Glossing over the nano-gank setups the Tempest would put the hurt on the Typhoon, likewise the Rupture has the better of the Stabber. Ignoring valid setups is not a valid argument. NOS is here, and it is here to stay, even if it gets nerfed it will be a powerful thing for droneships to use. Nano setups will go away, of course... It reminds me of people duelling outside Ogrimmar in WOW... class X says to a healing class: "omg, if you didn't heal, I would have won!" Well, the healing class can heal, that's part of his class. If he didn't use it, he would be a fool, and the victory would be in vain. Quote: It looks more to me that there are specific setups, NOS and Nano, that are pushing tier 1 ships over the edge to beat out their tier 2 counterparts, not their intended place. Tier 2 is intended to have advantages over tier 1. Wrong. :) Tux himself has said (at the introduction of tier 3 BSes) that the motto was "different, not better". This has always been the case. Drake is not better than the Ferox. For some people, the Harbinger is better than the Prophecy, but that's because they think the Prophecy sucks. Same for Maelstrom/Tempest -> Typhoon. The only consistantly "Better" thing about tier X over tier X-1 is: more slots, and typically more PG/CPU. Nothing else can be argued consistantly. Quote: From the look of your Brutix/Myrm comparisons youÆd need half again as many combat skillpoints to fly the Myrm as you would the Brutix. At the very least run the numbers with T1 Heavy Drones. Especially if youÆre giving the Myrm T2 Medium Blasters and Drone Interfacing V. Maybe the game should be balanced to perfect-build combat characters, so itÆs not like the comparison is invalid. But I could just be irked because youÆre trying to gimp one of my favorite ships. I'm just running the numbers with skills that I will have in the next month and a half, dude... that's all. I've only been in game for a bit over a year. The myrmidon is one of my favorite ships too. But I well realize that it is too strong. Quote: Incidentally, very few other ships have such prominently ob.......I can guarantee you they will not change the number of turret hardpoints on the Myrm. I can pretty much guarantee you that CCP won't even see this post - and if they did, they don't care. Thus, I'll be flying my Myrmidon for a long long time. And I'll always miss my brutix <3.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.15 23:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Goumindong on 15/03/2007 23:14:59 Originally by: Firane Brutix just needs another low. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha. ed: To be honest Xori, the prophecy does indeed suck. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.15 23:18:00 - [33] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 15/03/2007 23:17:21 Originally by: Firane Brutix just needs another low. I like that, TBH. It would make the Brutix just a LITTLE bit uber though :) Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Firane Brutix just needs another low. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha. hehehehe Originally by: Goumindong ed: To be honest Xori, the prophecy does indeed suck. Noted :) Actually the reason I said that the way I said that was because I know you are watching this thread, and you have very strong opinions about Amarr :) And I'm undereducated about Amarr... I mean, I can identify REALLY awful setups, but that's about it.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.15 23:28:00 - [34] Eve mail me in game and ill let you know all about it. The Prophecy isnt as bad as the Omen or Maller, but its still pretty bad. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.03.16 00:07:00 - [35] Edited by: Jackal79 on 16/03/2007 00:04:45 Say HELLOOOO HOOOOOO to the new mymidon! 5x highs (4 turrets) 5x mids 3x lows 1/4 current shield recharge rate 75m^3 drone bay 5% bonus to medium energy turret ROF 5% bonus to structure hitpoints per level (gives you more time to find a celestial object to warp your pod to) ...
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 00:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Jackal79 Edited by: Jackal79 on 16/03/2007 00:04:45 Say HELLOOOO HOOOOOO to the new mymidon! 5x highs (4 turrets) 5x mids 3x lows 1/4 current shield recharge rate 75m^3 drone bay 5% bonus to medium energy turret ROF 5% bonus to structure hitpoints per level (gives you more time to find a celestial object to warp your pod to) ... whuuuuhuhuhuhut? That's nothing like anything that I proposed, dude?
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 00:53:00 - [37] Edited by: DiuxDium on 16/03/2007 00:51:25 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Don't get me started on the Drake... Passive shield tank = the new WCS (Wait... haven't we exchanged flames about the drake previously? I'm remembering something) Yeah we did. A few months ago I think. We both spend to much time on the forums arguing about ships. I still don't believe the drake is an overpowered ship. Now that i've had more of a chance to fight them in small gang combat with my brutix, I retain this belief. It's more of an issue with shield tanking than the drake. The drake certainly does make the Ferox obsolete though. Except during certain very unique cases of being used as a anti-support sniping platform. I still believe the brutix to not be obsolete. For two reasons. 1) A damage bonus. 25% bonus is nothing to scoff at. 2) 7 Turrets. 3) I hate baby-sitting drones. I added the third one, because it's a personal preference. The brutix doesn't need a boost though, the myrm just needs a nerf. (100m3 drone bay, and it's fine). ------------------------------------------
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.03.16 01:00:00 - [38] Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 16/03/2007 00:57:38 Tier 2 is not better then tier 1. (fact) Tier 2 has more slots then tier 1. (fact) Brutix has almost always constant DPS while Myrmidon's DPS is much more flexable. (drone fact) ----------------------------------------------------------- A myrmidon's DPS is high only while using drones it can not replace. Typically when counting in for drone boosted DPS, you divide drone max of that size and bound down. So now calculate DPS of a Myrmidon while using two drones. -----------------------------------------------------------
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 01:17:00 - [39] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 16/03/2007 01:15:29 Originally by: DiuxDium It's more of an issue with shield tanking than the drake. Yeah, agreed, 100%. That's a discussion for another thread though :) Quote: 2) 7 Turrets. I am a gun freak. I'm nearing the end of my tree for Hybrids. After I finish Hybrids and get tech 2 heavies, I'm going to start getting arties and ACs to tech 2 large. When Amarr is buffed, I'll do the same with those. Quote: 3) I hate baby-sitting drones. Same Quote: I added the third one, because it's a personal preference. The brutix doesn't need a boost though, the myrm just needs a nerf. (100m3 drone bay, and it's fine). MMmmm, maybe... I dunno. I think the fix is to rework how drone bonuses and control amounts work. Ie. the Myrmidon should be able to control 4 heavies, OR 5 mediums... like a "drone control point" system... but it should still have enough drone space to hold backups :/
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 01:25:00 - [40] Edited by: Corwain on 16/03/2007 01:22:34 I've been thinking that the Myrm is extremely overpowered for a while now and have been thinking of making a similar post as the OP, however I disagree with the solutions he suggests. I think that the slot layout and number of turret hardpoints are fine. I think instead the Myrm should be like the other droneboats and have its hybrid bonus back instead of tanking bonus and limit its powergrid. Let me explain my reasoning: when setting up most ships you need to choose to drop one thing in favor of another because of fitting or slots. the Myrm has such even slots that you're not lacking in any area. For example the Thorax suffers as a blasterboat because you must choose between cap injector and webber because it has only 3 mids. Another example is the Dominix whose powergrid is so limited that it must use a fitting mod to fit a rack of electrons, mwd, cap injector and 1 LAR II. But the Myrm can fit EVERYTHING, no need to choose between tanking, or ganking, or even between a webber or cap injector. In fact it has the flexibility to fit EWar on top of the essentials. Now I'm not saying to nerf the Myrms powergrid that badly, but I find it rediculous that you can easily fit a half rack of ions, half electrons, 2 MAR IIs, MWD and Cap injector, then choose between damage mods and tank. I think it should only have the PG for electrons, and only have 1 MAR II. With every other ship you have to choose between tank and gank, being cap injected or having mobility. With the Myrm you can have both. And don't even get me started on the nos setup, imagine a supertanked Pilgrim with a MWD and cap injector and no cloaking capability. Even then though the Brutix doesn't do anywhere near as much DPS as a Myrm with comparable tanks, so I suggest giving the Brutix a bit more powergrid to fit bigger guns. A few numbers: Myrmidon w/ my skills: 203dps from 3x Modal Ions, 3x Modal Electrons, 1x Magstab II 391dps from 5x Ogre IIs Total: 594 dps Tank: 2 MAR II, 2x EAMN II, 1x DC II, Medium Electrochemical w/ 400s or 800s Brutix 280dps from 5x Modal Electrons, 2x Modal Ions, 1x Magstb II (only 77 more DPS from guns than the Myrm) 134 dps 5x Hammerhead IIs Total: 414 dps Tank: 1 MAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x DC II, Medium Electrochemical w/ 400s or 800s The Myrm does almost 200dps more than the Brutix when both are in blaster config. In addition the Myrm has an extra mid to play with, and had double the armor repping potential. I see no reason to EVER use the Brutix again. So, in conclusion: Limit powergrid to acommodate 1 MAR II, 6x Electrons, Cap injector and MWD just barely. Remove Armor Rep bonus and give Hybrid bonus back. This results in a bit better DPS but a much weaker tank, which would stop the Myrm from taking on 3 BCs at once.
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 01:30:00 - [41] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 16/03/2007 01:27:54 Originally by: Corwain So, in conclusion: Limit powergrid to acommodate 1 MAR II, 6x Electrons, Cap injector and MWD just barely. Remove Armor Rep bonus and give Hybrid bonus back. Very interesting. Actually, I quite like it. Make it a GANK ship. A gank ship that can't tank that well (as it really should be)! Cheers! Well done!
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.03.16 01:45:00 - [42] Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 16/03/2007 01:42:39 Originally by: Corwain Myrmidon w/ my skills: 203dps from 3x Modal Ions, 3x Modal Electrons, 1x Magstab II 391dps from 5x Ogre IIs Total: 594 dps Tank: 2 MAR II, 2x EAMN II, 1x DC II, Medium Electrochemical w/ 400s or 800s Brutix 280dps from 5x Modal Electrons, 2x Modal Ions, 1x Magstb II (only 77 more DPS from guns than the Myrm) 134 dps 5x Hammerhead IIs Total: 414 dps Tank: 1 MAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x DC II, Medium Electrochemical w/ 400s or 800s The Myrm does almost 200dps more than the Brutix when both are in blaster config. In addition the Myrm has an extra mid to play with, and had double the armor repping potential. I see no reason to EVER use the Brutix again. If you are going to compair the two use max stats for each so you know the true power of each one. If you are using T2 heavies you have alot more into drones then what you could of used in AWU. With skills maxed you could fit a brutix with: Brutix:(no rig) High 6x Heavy Ion II 1x Heavy Electron II Medium 1x Y-T8 Overcharge HydroCarbon I Microwarpdrive 1x Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1x Warp Disrupter Low 1x Medium Armor Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1x Damage Control II 1x Magnetic Field Stabalizer II Also you will have to lower the drone DPS worth because if your that close normaly your will be scoop and droping the drones each time they get shot at or, if they get destroyed befor you notice this is going on.
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 01:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Vincent Almasy If you are going to compair the two use max stats for each so you know the true power of each one. If you are using T2 heavies you have alot more into drones then what you could of used in AWU. You're right on about my skills. I have 2.5mil in drones and only 1mil in gunnery. While your skills and setup might bring the DPS closer to even it doesn't change the fact that the Myrm is doing all this while tanking twice as much as the Brute, so the only reason you'd ever want to choose the Brute over the Myrm is if you're strapped for ISK, but if you've got the skills to kit it out like that you're probly gonna have the ISK to upgrade from Tier 1 to Tier 2.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:07:00 - [44] Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 16/03/2007 02:10:06 It's very interesting to see all of you calculating the stats of both Brutix and Myrmidon with the highest tier possible guns and drones (for Myrmidon only). Fact 1 Not all people go to combat with 5 heavies II. Or even the setups here. Although i agree that the DPS are following an almost linear equation with the fitting. Fact 2 All of the posts i read here are suggesting that the Brutix is fighting with his guns only and has no drone bay. So what's the deal? Can anyone for once post a DPS calculation for a Brutix including the fact that it can also field 5xmediums either t1 or t2? Or it's not suitable to do that, for the purpose of nerfing a good ship? (EDIT: I misread the guys above me post (first post) and he did include drones in both. So we have a half attempt since there is a big difference in the sp allocated to drones and gunnery.) In fact these drones are also more good than the Myrmidon ones, since they always get ignored by the opponent and continue their work without any problems from bullets. On the other hand the Myrmidon drones are usually getting the "privilege" to be named primaries and either get back in a drone bay (reducing thus the DPS of a Myrmidon) or go pop. While at the same time the Myrmidon gets a drone bonus and not a gun bonus. So far i see nothing that resembles a fair comparison. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:18:00 - [45] It's very interesting to see all of you calculating the stats of both Brutix and Myrmidon with the highest tier possible guns and drones (for Myrmidon only). Fact 1 Not all people go to combat with 5 heavies II. Or even the setups here. You're right. I use 4x Heavy IIs and keep 5x Warrior IIs in the bay to chase off intys. With the scoop and drop and the fact that its point blank cause of blasters anyways unless there's a lot of lag you're not likely to lose heavy drones, thus it's dumb not to use at least 4 of em. Fact 2 All of the posts i read here are suggesting that the Brutix is fighting with his guns only and has no drone bay. Read my post again, I'd never put my drones SP to waste. With 5x Hammerhead IIs and no Drone Interfacing V the Brutix does about 134 DPS from drones. That is in my calculations if you actually read the posts in the thread. So what's the deal? Can anyone for once post a DPS calculation for a Brutix including the fact that it can also field 5xmediums either t1 or t2? Or it's not suitable to do that, for the purpose of nerfing a good ship? Read my first post in this thread... In fact these drones are also more good than the Myrmidon ones, since they always get ignored by the opponent and continue their work without any problems from bullets. Actually an arbitrator will go strait for your drones since your guns can't hit it anyways and it can't tank your drones...that fact aside the Myrm is not likely to lose drones if you're a competent drone pilot and are at point blank range.
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Vincent Almasy If you are going to compair the two use max stats for each so you know the true power of each one. If you are using T2 heavies you have alot more into drones then what you could of used in AWU. You're right on about my skills. I have 2.5mil in drones and only 1mil in gunnery. While your skills and setup might bring the DPS closer to even it doesn't change the fact that the Myrm is doing all this while tanking twice as much as the Brute, so the only reason you'd ever want to choose the Brute over the Myrm is if you're strapped for ISK, but if you've got the skills to kit it out like that you're probly gonna have the ISK to upgrade from Tier 1 to Tier 2. To be honest if you are using blasters and not nos is it easier to kill you. The difference is in the fact if your drones get poped that is atleast 50% of your Damage, so that lowers dps right there and permanantly for that fight. Now if you constantly draw in your drones then deploy them, that will just lower down your dps atleast a volley maybe even two per time of going that so it only matter if you have the brutix damped badly and then how long the drones will be out is paportionate to my lock time. Given time the drones will still be lost from alpha of the turrets leaking heavily into armor of the drones. Not to count about the random AI that might have your drones attack my drones and not me if not baby sat.
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 16/03/2007 02:32:22 Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Fact 2 All of the posts i read here are suggesting that the Brutix is fighting with his guns only and has no drone bay. So what's the deal? Can anyone for once post a DPS calculation for a Brutix including the fact that it can also field 5xmediums either t1 or t2? Put down your *** pipe. Read my posts. They all include Hammer IIs in the brutix's DPS. EDIT: Here, I'll even quote it for you. Originally by:** Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 15/03/2007 21:42:16 Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 15/03/2007 21:38:08 Figure I'd do this real quick: Brutix, 2x Ion II, 5x Electron II, no MFS II, void, 5x hammer II: 496 dps Brutix: 2x Ion II, 5x Electron II, WITH MFS II, void, 5x hammer II: 575 dps (with a gimpy tank) Brutix: 7x Neutron II, WITH MFS II, void, 5x Hammer II: 626 dps (WAAAAAY gimpy tank) Myrmidon, 6x Electron II, no MFS II, void, 5x Ogre II w/DI5: 677 dps (with a FAR better tank) Myrmidon, 4x Electron II, no MFS II, void, 5x Ogre II w/DI5: 597 dps (with a FAR better tank AND NOS!)
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:55:00 - [48] What makes the Myrmidon overpowered exactly? My armor rigged Myrmidon went up against a shield rigged Drake and I lost. I have BC 5 to his 4. Without going into details, I have 59.5M SP and caldari and gallente specialized. All he had to do was pick off my drones. I couldn't scoop them faster than he could kill them.
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Derran What makes the Myrmidon overpowered exactly? My armor rigged Myrmidon went up against a shield rigged Drake and I lost. I have BC 5 to his 4. Without going into details, I have 59.5M SP and caldari and gallente specialized. All he had to do was pick off my drones. I couldn't scoop them faster than he could kill them. Nos,damp, dual rep tank myrm one on one is what is super. Nos, fees armor tank and stop cap from foe, Damp, makes lock time even longer. Dual rep, enough said.
Plymer Ization Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:22:00 - [50] Removing the rep bonus from the Myrmidon and replacing it with something gankier would leave me nothing to complain about this ship. I never completely understood why half of the Tier 2 BCs get their Tier 1 counterpart's tanking bonuses as well as better DPS on top of it... Tux DID say he wanted the Tier 2s to be the gankers, while the tier 1s would be the tankers. NOT both. And while we're at it, gimme my 7th turret on the Hurricane please
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:18:00 - [51] Quote: If Tier X > Tier X-1, then: Apoc is better than Geddon Megathron is better than Dominix Rokh is better than Raven Tempest is better than Phoon Moa is better than Caracal Maller is better than Arbitrator Rupture is better than Stabber Er, most of those are true, assuming the affiliated skills are maxed for both and you're assuming utility use, non role specialized. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by: "Nir" There is no place for morality in EVE. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:34:00 - [52] Originally by: Derran What makes the Myrmidon overpowered exactly? My armor rigged Myrmidon went up against a shield rigged Drake and I lost. I have BC 5 to his 4. Without going into details, I have 59.5M SP and caldari and gallente specialized. All he had to do was pick off my drones. I couldn't scoop them faster than he could kill them. Just because the drake is also overpowered doesn't mean that the myrmidon isn't overpowered ;)
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:35:00 - [53] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 16/03/2007 04:33:17 Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 16/03/2007 04:32:50 Originally by: Gamble Dakota Quote: If Tier X > Tier X-1, then: Apoc is better than Geddon Megathron is better than Dominix Rokh is better than Raven Tempest is better than Phoon Moa is better than Caracal Maller is better than Arbitrator Rupture is better than Stabber Er, most of those are true, assuming the affiliated skills are maxed for both and you're assuming utility use, non role specialized. LOL...every one of those is complete bull**. So is your statement. I'm considering utility. "Role specialized" IS ***** "utility". So yeah, I'm considering roles. (Except for the tempest > phoon one, that may be true soon... even so, the phoon will still have its uses. It will still be capable of a far better tank than the pest... ;))
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Fraile Cloudsinger Tier 2 > Tier 1 If you got decent gunnery skills, take the brutix, if you got decent drone skills take the myrmidon. . False. Myrm is better in both cases. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Xori Ruscuv Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Fraile Cloudsinger Tier 2 > Tier 1 If you got decent gunnery skills, take the brutix, if you got decent drone skills take the myrmidon. . False. Myrm is better in both cases. Correct. That's why I use the Myrmidon - even though I can't even use tech 2 heavies yet.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:54:00 - [56] Edited by: Pottsey on 16/03/2007 10:51:45 ôWhat makes the Myrmidon overpowered exactly? My armor rigged Myrmidon went up against a shield rigged Drake and I lost.ö Thats your problem your amour tanking. Its overpowered when you passive shield tank as you get x10 to x12 more HP regen then 1 amour repairer even with the bonus on max to amour tanking repair amount. As a shield tank the Myrmidon is overpowered and way tougher then an amour tank. T1 BC's should not be tanking way over 1000dps. Even with a PvP setup you can get a crasy tank and still have ab, scram, web e.c.t Passive shield tanking guide click here
Tanox	Posted - 2007.03.16 13:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 16/03/2007 10:51:45 ôWhat makes the Myrmidon overpowered exactly? My armor rigged Myrmidon went up against a shield rigged Drake and I lost.ö Thats your problem your amour tanking. Its overpowered when you passive shield tank as you get x10 to x12 more HP regen then 1 amour repairer even with the bonus on max to amour tanking repair amount. As a shield tank the Myrmidon is overpowered and way tougher then an amour tank. T1 BC's should not be tanking way over 1000dps. Even with a PvP setup you can get a crasy tank and still have ab, scram, web e.c.t Would it be possible to make a good setup with MWD, web and scrambler/disruptor aswell - without the gang bonus?
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Agreew with OP. MAke Brutix the tier 2 anc change slot layout. change the brutix? so then readjust alot of things including the balance of the command ships of the brutix meaning more problems then before..
Almarez	Posted - 2007.03.16 15:04:00 - [59] I think you are forgetting something. Tier II BC's are supposed to be much better damage dealers. Where the tier I BC's were supposed to be tankers the tier II ones were supposed to be DPS machines. The problem isn't that the Myrmidon is overpowered it's that the Brutix is. It has massive DPS for a tier I BC. It has the same damage bonus as the Harbinger, with a better bonus for tanking as the Harby waste's a bonus on cap reduction of lasers and it has the same drone bay as the Harby. I would love to compare numbers but CCP hasn't updated the item database yet. That being said, I don't think that they shouldn't nerf the Brutix or anything like that because if it were so overpowered then I would see a lot more flying around. The real strength of the Myr is it's flexibility. It is basically a large Vexor, or a small Domi, if you want to look at it that way. The DPS with blasters and drones is probably somewhat above its couterparts but I have never been the type of player that worries about one ship being slightly better at one role than another ship.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:07:00 - [60] ôWould it be possible to make a good setup with MWD, web and scrambler/disruptor aswell - without the gang bonus?ö Yes itÆs about the same as a dual amour setup without the gang bonus and better with. Passive shield tanking guide click here

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