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Serene Obsolete
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:10:00 -
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Ok So I've done something pretty stupid and now I am in minus isk.
I realise what I did is against the rules and will not be doing that again. I am glad I have not been banned, don't get me wrong but I am pretty much unable to play the game now?
I have 0 combat skills and 0 combat ships, I can mine but I can't sell anything on the market to get back into positive equity in my wallet. I can not even trade with a player to sell items that way.
In this situation, what is a player supposed to do? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:12:00 -
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scam |
Serene Obsolete
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:13:00 -
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By asking players to simply give me isk? I wouldn't want to do that, it's not a "career" path I would want to follow in New Eden... |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
Not Usually Killing Everyone.
235
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:13:00 -
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Start over
Or make an alt, have it make a corp (since making a corp requires money you need the alt to do this with its untainted wallet), make your main the CEO and give it a 100% tax and live out of your corp wallet....
And next time sell a PLEX. You look doubly stupid cause PLEXes allow legal ISK buying.
The Drake is a Lie |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
In Vitro.
49
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:14:00 -
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Join corp with a friend.
Put stuff you mine in corp hangar, have friend sell and transfer you isk.
I have to ask though. If you aren't combat why the hell were you buying isk? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:15:00 -
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Serene Obsolete wrote:By asking players to simply give me isk? I wouldn't want to do that, it's not a "career" path I would want to follow in New Eden...
well then rookie ship, civilian guns and go hun rats at high sec. depend how much minus ISK you are.. |
Serene Obsolete
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:16:00 -
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I didn't need the isk as such, I didn't have enough isk to PLEX my account.
Using a corp hangar to move my items sounds like a good idea, as I dont fancy starting a new character! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:22:00 -
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I'm confuzzed, surely your charecter starts with 'Racial Frigate' to start with.
Also how did you get into minus isk anyhow...
And click selling 'simple' doesn't cost anything does it , 'advanced' does.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Serene Obsolete
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:25:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I'm confuzzed, surely your charecter starts with 'Racial Frigate' to start with.
Also how did you get into minus isk anyhow...
And click selling 'simple' doesn't cost anything does it , 'advanced' does.
I no longer have the starter frigate, I could leave station in a pod and get the civilian ship back but my god, killing rats in that to get back into positive would take forever.
I broke the EULA, and they took off the value amount out of my wallet.
Even to sell an item or trade an item with a player you MUST have a balance of at least 0. It's a pretty silly mechanic actually. |
Jita Alt666
661
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:37:00 -
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Get out your credit card and buy GTC from CCP, then sell those GTC on the forums via secure transactions. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:37:00 -
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Petition it. will the GM acted in all good faith having a negative balance seriously affects the continued viability of your account.
Admit your mistake, accept your punishment but object to the fact your account has been left 'unusable' because of an oversight in CCP's punitive actions.
All the best hope you can sort it out.
And out of interest how 'negative' are you? a quick 'loan' from a friend might sort it out.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ai Shun
State War Academy
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:39:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Get out your credit card and buy GTC from CCP, then sell those GTC on the forums via secure transactions.
Pretty much. Or you could try running one of the first legitimate PLEX spams in JITA 
Professor Alphane wrote:Petition it. will the GM acted in all good faith having a negative balance seriously affects the continued viability of your account.
I hear what you are saying, but if somebody wittingly breaks the EULA I'd sincerely hope a GM does not cut them an ounce of slack. I understand the OP is repenting his/her evil ways; but really? The negative ISK is what happens when you do something naughty. Thankfully it wasn't a ban.
Was it botting? |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:40:00 -
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Can you buy a GTC with real cash and sell it via the forum to give the char enough ISK to go positive?
Eve Forums Timecode Bazarr
Or create an alt to sell your stuff you mine.
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Jita Alt666
661
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:41:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:
And out of interest how 'negative' are you? a quick 'loan' from a friend might sort it out.
I'm going to guess greater than 5bil. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:51:00 -
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Get free ships from the tutorial agents, grind missions. |
Slade Trillgon
T.R.I.A.D
78
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:00:00 -
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Train different skills and work your way up. Not that complicated of a process. Yes it may not be your preffered method of making the isk back, but that could be part of the punishment  It is CCp we are talking about.
Slade
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
572
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:01:00 -
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Don't support real life slavery next time.
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GÖÑ Inactive 21/12 unltil the new year, seasons greetings GÖÑ |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:04:00 -
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You know that 60 day trial code?
You know what to do...
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:35:00 -
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I understand your arguement Ai but I believe it is oversight on CCP's part. It ISNT a valid game mechanic that is now causing the problem, to be in negative isk shouldn't prevent you from selling things. It was never programmed that way with the intent of further punishing a transgresor.
I don't blame CCP because why would anyone expect you to have negative isk, so the routines where never built to handle the situation.
I believe the extra punishment of being stuck like this was unitentional and not intended as part of the punitve action.
Therefore in all good faith I think 'God Mod' should be used to reset the accounts balance to zero. Should CCP wish to further persue the difffence at a future time I believe that is down to them.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
595
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:39:00 -
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how far negative?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:43:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Don't support real life slavery next time.
Well, if you are payed for your work .. you are slave... thats how it is... and no having 5bil dollars a month is not excluded. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
578
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:46:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Don't support real life slavery next time. Well, if you are payed for your work .. you are slave... thats how it is... and no having 5bil dollars a month is not excluded.
Wait, I always thought slavery was working and NOT getting paid.
Did I miss something in the patch notes?
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
The Lostboys
182
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:46:00 -
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I actually think that not being able to sell stuff when you have a negative wallet balance is a bug and should be bug reported. After all a fast way to recover is to use real money to buy a PLEX which you then sell in game for ISK. But that's harder if you cannot sell in game. You got to use the GTC secure transactions system.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Don't support real life slavery next time. Well, if you are payed for your work .. you are slave... thats how it is... and no having 5bil dollars a month is not excluded. Wait, I always thought slavery was working and NOT getting paid. Did I miss something in the patch notes?
You did... Money is an idea, you are payed for your time by something which doesnt hold any "real" value.
And you spent about 70 percent on taxes .. and rest for "survival" till next month.
We are all slaves nothing really changed in sociaty since 3k b.c. Egypt. Just those slaves at that time have had easier life and reason to fight. Now you alone looking for an slavery/work contract, hilarious isnt it. 
Yet there is nothing better to make, since people are ****** and locked in greed/ownership
"Never-mind, existence itself is meaningless so whatever you chose to do, or you are forced to do does not really matter. "
That should explain that non-sense .. |
Ai Shun
State War Academy
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:09:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I don't blame CCP because why would anyone expect you to have negative isk, so the routines where never built to handle the situation.
It is intentional and has been since 2007. CCP Guard wrote this blog on the topic of RMT / ISK buying. Note the last section that says:
CCP Guard wrote:I would like to add that the penalty for buying ISK is (at the minimum) the removal of all ISK bought, no matter if it is still in the wallet or not. Players that buy ISK and spend it on cool stuff will end up with a negative wallet balance and in some cases cannot get out of debt. This is a sad state of affairs but in such cases we cannot provide any additional services to help players get their wallets back into a positive status. They either make it out of debt themselves or they donGÇÖt. Our main concern and focus is protecting the part of our playerbase that follow the rules and do not buy ISK.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
24
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:12:00 -
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I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ai Shun
State War Academy
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:15:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP.
If somebody wants to "buy" ISK all they need to do is pick up a PLEX and sell it in-game. There is no need to support the RMT industry. So yeah, bad PR?
No, a just punishment for those that break the rules when they have a viable alternative. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom
Ushra'Khan
101
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:20:00 -
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do level 1 courier mission in your starter frigate, and use that time to think about what you've done  |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
24
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:23:00 -
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That quote is 5 years old before plex when I'm sure a 'hardline' was needed to be taken.
Imagine if the law worked like that.
Sorry Ai your gonna have to sleep in a cell tonight and sleep it off girl.
Toilet, no, no toilet in there, we couldn't be bothered.
Also if someone does get punished by isk retreval and they have the isk, they suffer less punishment. Is that Just?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ai Shun
State War Academy
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:38:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Also if someone does get punished by isk retreval and they have the isk, they suffer less punishment. Is that Just?
Their ill gotten gains were stripped from them in both cases. It seems just to me, but then I'm a closet Authoritarian. Probably why I rolled Caldari |
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