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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:43:00 -
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Yes I hate authority myself.. that's obviously the problem
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Velicitia
Open Designs
229
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:07:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Petition it. will the GM acted in all good faith having a negative balance seriously affects the continued viability of your account.
Admit your mistake, accept your punishment but object to the fact your account has been left 'unusable' because of an oversight in CCP's punitive actions.
All the best hope you can sort it out.
And out of interest how 'negative' are you? a quick 'loan' from a friend might sort it out.
BAHHAHAHAH you're a ******* idiot.
only reason OP didn't get banned for RMT was because the GM felt like being nice. It's explicitly stated in the EULA that illegally RMT'ed ISK will be removed from the player's wallet, and/or they will be permabanned.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:25:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Petition it. will the GM acted in all good faith having a negative balance seriously affects the continued viability of your account.
Admit your mistake, accept your punishment but object to the fact your account has been left 'unusable' because of an oversight in CCP's punitive actions.
All the best hope you can sort it out.
And out of interest how 'negative' are you? a quick 'loan' from a friend might sort it out. BAHHAHAHAH you're a ******* idiot. only reason OP didn't get banned for RMT was because the GM felt like being nice. It's explicitly stated in the EULA that illegally RMT'ed ISK will be removed from the player's wallet, and/or they will be permabanned.
Well lets hope the Mod I reported you too for 'Insults, and masked sweraing' is less draconian hey
Have a nice day now
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
575
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:40:00 -
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Negative ISK affecting trade and contracts is in fact deliberate.
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MadMuppet
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.12.22 03:00:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I actually think that not being able to sell stuff when you have a negative wallet balance is a bug and should be bug reported.
Not last time it happened to me. I had an alt go negative once because I got popped flying contraband and the fine was far greater than what I had in my wallet. I was also webbed to zero and scrammed by the customs agent and 'stuck' until a GM released me because I couldn't pay the fine. I was told 'good luck, kill rats to get out of the hole'. Not being able to sell due to a negative balance is apparently part of the design.
Maybe things are different now...
-Mad
Note to self, 'Red' and 'Flashy Red' are two different things. - From "How I learned to look like an *** in FW" by MadMuppet |
Serene Obsolete
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 09:54:00 -
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Hmmm it would seem being -2bil in debt is going to be nearly impossible to get out of...
The only bonus is my account is active for the next 4 months...
I am glad I never got banned but I mean this is pretty much exactly the same.
I wonder if I could still play, train skills, join a corp to get ships and ammo through the hangar and just never bother to get back into positive isk. |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:00:00 -
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Cut your losses and make a new character.
Amass the nessicery money then bail character one out with character two, however by that time you won;t care about character one.
Basically just start again. Chalk off you stupidity as a learning lesson.
The admins know everything. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2136
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:05:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP.
No, it reads GǣIf you cheat, we **** you overGǥGǪ that's the best PR a game can ever get. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:07:00 -
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Serene Obsolete wrote:Hmmm it would seem being -2bil in debt is going to be nearly impossible to get out of...
The only bonus is my account is active for the next 4 months...
I am glad I never got banned but I mean this is pretty much exactly the same.
I wonder if I could still play, train skills, join a corp to get ships and ammo through the hangar and just never bother to get back into positive isk.
Haven't you any assests to show for this 2 billion?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Serene Obsolete
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:10:00 -
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I have a hulk (barely 200mil) and my account is now active (however useless) for the next 5 months.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP. No, it reads GǣIf you cheat, we **** you overGǥGǪ that's the best PR a game can ever get.
No they set up mechanics to delibaratly further punish some and not others, 'So if you cheat you might get of scot free (except for you lootz) or your account might be permanatly damaged, we like to call it iclandic roullete.'
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2137
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:17:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:No they set up mechanics to delibaratly further punish some and not others GǪexcept that it punishes everyone equally.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
51
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:17:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I don't blame CCP because why would anyone expect you to have negative isk, so the routines where never built to handle the situation. It is intentional and has been since 2007. CCP Guard wrote this blog on the topic of RMT / ISK buying. Note the last section that says: CCP Guard wrote:I would like to add that the penalty for buying ISK is (at the minimum) the removal of all ISK bought, no matter if it is still in the wallet or not. Players that buy ISK and spend it on cool stuff will end up with a negative wallet balance and in some cases cannot get out of debt. This is a sad state of affairs but in such cases we cannot provide any additional services to help players get their wallets back into a positive status. They either make it out of debt themselves or they donGÇÖt. Our main concern and focus is protecting the part of our playerbase that follow the rules and do not buy ISK.
They should just outright ban the account instead of a stupid constructive ban, it would sit well with the general community as well as getting rid of the ISK buyers. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:No they set up mechanics to delibaratly further punish some and not others GǪexcept that it punishes everyone equally.
No if you have the ISK to cover your debt you don't go into negative equity which is almost immposible to get out of.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
88
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:26:00 -
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Borrow a bit of ISK from a friend? Of course, most people won't loan out their ISK, so this might not be very likely to work for you... |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
109
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:31:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Tippia wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP. No, it reads GǣIf you cheat, we **** you overGǥGǪ that's the best PR a game can ever get. No they set up mechanics to delibaratly further punish some and not others, 'So if you cheat you might get of scot free (except for you lootz) or your account might be permanatly damaged, we like to call it iclandic roullete.'
Sorry, but you are just stupid.
OP was lucky and was not permanently damaged (banned) - all she needs to do is to replace the ISK she stole from CCP in the first place. It is easy, just bring out your credit card and buy some legal GTCs. Or grind the ISK back by normal game mechanics (yes, crazy idea I know, but you don't need to buy ISK for Gé¼Gé¼). She can always use an alt to buy/sell on the market. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2137
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:31:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:No if you have the ISK to cover your debt you don't go into negative equity which is almost immposible to get out of. It's far from impossible, and if you have the ISK to cover your debt, you've just not had the time to spend your ill-gotten gains yet. Look at it as leniency for only having done half the crime.
There is no randomness to it; everyone gets the same treatment. You choose whether to get into negative ISK or not GÇö in fact, you make that choice twice GÇö and you have all the tools needed to rectify your errors.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
210
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:34:00 -
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The game does not allow you to get into negative ISK with normal gameplay.
If you wanted to be able to use the market, ... that would have to be changed. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
304
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:41:00 -
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You can't sell stuff to get positive again ?
Is the market blocked for you ? O_o
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2137
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:42:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:You can't sell stuff to get positive again ?
Is the market blocked for you ? O_o
Selling requires you to pay taxes and brokerage fees GÇö something you can't do if you have no money (or, negative money).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Demolishar
The 57th Overlanders
225
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:48:00 -
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I like ISK buyers, they are effectively an isk sink. All that isk disappearing ftw. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:No if you have the ISK to cover your debt you don't go into negative equity which is almost immposible to get out of. Look at it as leniency for only having done half the crime. .
I look as it as a random chance of when you get caught, how much you where worth in the first place, what your earnings are.
If you want to justify it as some sort of intended variance in punishment cleverly designed to entrap the guiltiest (not sure how spending the isk makes the crime of buying it anyworse but there you go) then thats entirely up to you.
Also the whole concept is highly hypocritical and sad IMO. We are assuming this person got punished for buying isk, which is against the rules, unless of course it's CCP selling you Plex and then thats fine. Talk about open and fair competion in the market place.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2137
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:53:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I look as it as a random chance of when you get caught, how much you where worth in the first place, what your earnings are. GǪexcept that none of that is random chance, and going into negative wallet most certainly isn't.
Yes, some people might not get caught, but that's not what we're talking about is it? Those who get caught all get the same treatment.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
42
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:00:00 -
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1.) Buy a GTC or PLEX with RL money (eighter use CCP, Eve-codes[dot]com or Shatteredcrystal[dot]com)
2.) Sell the PLEX (or 2 PLEX if you used GTC) on the Timecode Bazaar.
3.) Repeat if you are still in debt.
On the neg. wallet:
Good job CCP. I'm totally against petitioning and then get that deuce his wallet back to 0 for 1 reason only.
The OP should have used the proper way to make ISK if he wanted more (buying GTC / PLEX from official websites).
By using RMT he knew he was violating the EULA and he took the risk and lost.
So no need to help him out, it was all his own choice and he should live with the consequences.
Helping him out would be like giving a bank robber the money he stole back after he served his jail time. Punishments are there for a reason, to let people know they did the wrong thing and to make sure they will NEVER do that again.
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Those who get caught all get the same treatment.
A treatment that arbitarily further punishes some but not others, not a great justice system. A rich charecter wouldn't go negative and carry on playing a poor one might have there account 'ruined'. I see no justification for that .
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:08:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:1.) Buy a GTC or PLEX with RL money (eighter use CCP, Eve-codes[dot]com or Shatteredcrystal[dot]com)
2.) Sell the PLEX (or 2 PLEX if you used GTC) on the Timecode Bazaar.
3.) Repeat if you are still in debt.
On the neg. wallet:
Good job CCP. I'm totally against petitioning and then get that deuce his wallet back to 0 for 1 reason only.
The OP should have used the proper way to make ISK if he wanted more (buying GTC / PLEX from official websites).
By using RMT he knew he was violating the EULA and he took the risk and lost.
So no need to help him out, it was all his own choice and he should live with the consequences.
Helping him out would be like giving a bank robber the money he stole back after he served his jail time. Punishments are there for a reason, to let people know they did the wrong thing and to make sure they will NEVER do that again.
I fail to understand this post
Part 1 - Buy some isk it'll sort your problem out
Part 2 - You bought isk ! your scum of the earth and deserve everything you get.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tubrug1
Stella Sanguinis
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:09:00 -
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hahahahahaha
The jihad bomb--áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=392090&#post392090 |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
42
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:11:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:J'Poll wrote:1.) Buy a GTC or PLEX with RL money (eighter use CCP, Eve-codes[dot]com or Shatteredcrystal[dot]com)
2.) Sell the PLEX (or 2 PLEX if you used GTC) on the Timecode Bazaar.
3.) Repeat if you are still in debt.
On the neg. wallet:
Good job CCP. I'm totally against petitioning and then get that deuce his wallet back to 0 for 1 reason only.
The OP should have used the proper way to make ISK if he wanted more (buying GTC / PLEX from official websites).
By using RMT he knew he was violating the EULA and he took the risk and lost.
So no need to help him out, it was all his own choice and he should live with the consequences.
Helping him out would be like giving a bank robber the money he stole back after he served his jail time. Punishments are there for a reason, to let people know they did the wrong thing and to make sure they will NEVER do that again.
I fail to understand this post Part 1 - Buy some isk it'll sort your problem out Part 2 - You bought isk ! your scum of the earth and deserve everything you get.
The first 3 points are a way to get the OP out of his negative wallet using the a legit source of ISK by using RL money
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:16:00 -
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Lesson learned : Next time don't RMT
At least I hope you learned that lesson.
Oh well, the isk buyer tears that are drowning this thread are delicious. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:17:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:J'Poll wrote:1.) Buy a GTC or PLEX with RL money (eighter use CCP, Eve-codes[dot]com or Shatteredcrystal[dot]com)
2.) Sell the PLEX (or 2 PLEX if you used GTC) on the Timecode Bazaar.
3.) Repeat if you are still in debt.
On the neg. wallet:
Good job CCP. I'm totally against petitioning and then get that deuce his wallet back to 0 for 1 reason only.
The OP should have used the proper way to make ISK if he wanted more (buying GTC / PLEX from official websites).
By using RMT he knew he was violating the EULA and he took the risk and lost.
So no need to help him out, it was all his own choice and he should live with the consequences.
Helping him out would be like giving a bank robber the money he stole back after he served his jail time. Punishments are there for a reason, to let people know they did the wrong thing and to make sure they will NEVER do that again.
I fail to understand this post Part 1 - Buy some isk it'll sort your problem out Part 2 - You bought isk ! your scum of the earth and deserve everything you get. The first 3 points are a way to get the OP out of his negative wallet using the a legit source of ISK by using RL money
Oh I understood I just found it ironic that you then went on to rant about how people who buy isk using RL money should be punished.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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