imagine that, you actually have to do work now to get your kills. its not hard to find your enemy as they have specifics, it just takes a degree of intelligence and specialization that most in eve lack. Real world experience that I have, have caused corporations and alliances to topple with out me even firing a round, its not often I do it, only to those that make my list.

So you have to work to get PVP now? Damn that must suck not having easy targets handed for you.

I think making the watchlist work in Highsec only is a fine idea. Can anyone actually give a reason as to why it isn't, or are we all just going to personally attack the OP and scream about "post with your main!"?

It's really not that hard to track someone down in the game without the watchlist.

I do it, its called scouting. Fortunately zkillboard makes it very easy to track operational areas down. Day or two of hunting and if you get lucky you might find their base of operations along with active members, ships and fits.

That's not including locator agents. Too many entitled wanting to be spoon fed instead of working for it. I've done it many years ago it and do it since i've returned to the game.

A little elbow-grease goes a long way. If anything its easier now with the statpadding on zkillboard than it used to be with a 3000 online player count.

You all have the tools which weren't there when the 'bitter vets' started.

The ones that moan are the ones without objectives.

Normally if you take up a contract you get the operational area information. If you make them scatter, thats half the battle won as there is strength in numbers. It makes hunting gangs a worthwhile thing.

Hunting ghosts lets you find out alts too.

Real mercs could work without it

, bounty hunters I will give you that. But if you are really after a bounty, thats what locators are for.

If you really are a connected merc corp you should have a network of tracers at your disposal. At least any worth their salt would do that.

Thats a problem how?

Because then you can work out a pattern of log in times.

Seriously, i dont want to teach you how to suck eggs but you need to put work in - thats what you get paid for.

As the attacker that is your issue to deal with, not the defenders. You can do something else you know. Sounds like the life of merc/bounty hunting is not for you.

Yep, completely get that.

I was mercing before hubcamping became the done thing

- including when the playerbase was a fraction of the size now. Im saying you need to go back to the oldschool. Not this wardec everything and pop a hauler in jita lark. Im quite dissapointed on how the recent methods have blighted the profession.

Eve is all about the long game - not COD mechanics. Information is key, and use of that information is crucial.

It takes no time to zip about in a ceptor.

Unfortunately since the blanket decs, more people are aware of the shenanigans that come with it, so you have inadvertently made your job harder, as the chances are they have eyes on you well before you even leave.

They adjust accordingly, so you need to outsmart your prey. Get locates and areas before you declare. Move assets into position. Any frequent routes? Instead of camping home system, maybe camp the gate a few down from the next area, scout them coming on the move.

There are a hundred ways to skin a cat. Unfortunately you dont appear to have the patience for espionage, which is a very large component of eve. So really, if you want to merc you should be offering your services to some null types, they are always happy to have competitor supply lines and income disrupted from my experience, and they are a much easier to predict along with the bonus of being able to shoot anyone.

Mercs are not limited to High-Sec. Zkillboard is your current filter btw.

When you are a merc everything is a shadow.. until you find it. You can always add them to your contact list, maybe the less bright ones will accept. Or the ones who are bait.

The gameplay around watch lists was always terrible also though. Keeping a bad mechanic is always bad, and it was bad for high sec play just the same as for supers.
Just put online/offline status in the locator agent response. If you are hunting you will either have a corp spy, in which case you can tell, an alt with eyes on target in which case you can tell, or run a locator in which case you currently can't tell. So lets fix the exception to that list, locator agents are not free intel, they come at both isk cost & opportunity cost of not running it on another target, so all is good in the world then.

Hey, you want to be a merc..
You now sound like a ice miner who's bitching about that he have to find ice rocks first,
and cant use his year old bookmarks anymore.

Of course they're lazy, they're complaining about how much harder it is to find and kill what are more than likely pve'ers and Indy players that probably can't defend themselves, because if they weren't, they wouldn't be complaining about the watchlist because their wartargets wouldn't be hiding from them.

I am not a merc either, however I have started to do war decs, what is important to me is target selection which I have touched on before, and the target selection aspect which is most important is that your target has something tangible in space.

The very fact that you are targeting a character who can move around different systems should make it hard and the easy no cost perfect intel of the watch list was abhorrent to me as is much of the data on the Eve map. The sad fact is that many of you got used to that free intel and based you play around that, and of course it hurts your play style.

I see baltec1 who is a can flipper, 0.0 player and ganker who has never done hisec merc stuff claiming that it is next to impossible to hunt targets and bow beating people who go against his point of view. Well as you are after a character who can go anywhere on Eve it damn well should be and to equate it to missions as he did above is so laughable that it pushed me to make this post.

Over time hisec has developed into an area where people avoid war decs, fair enough success in the end has turned into a loss of potential targets, so all you really have left is people who can avoid and people doing logistics from null sec alliances which is what the majority of kills are, it is simple evolution, but I see more and more Citadels put up and no war decs, and I have to wonder why you are war dec'ing people who can easily run away and hide and yet you do not war dec the people with Citadels, is that because you are failing to evolve. I went after POCO's owned by war dec entities, quite fun that, I have little chance of winning, but I am having a good laugh at the over kill brought to the first defence and then the failed log off trap on the second POCO, but it was P I R A T who are laughable.

I think that with the removal of the watch list giving you free intel on people logged will result in your prey changing their approach to move around less because their login status is not reported, give it time and stop being so defeatist, the prey will adjust and think that their log off not being detailed will make it easier for them and will make it easier for you in fact I am sure that you are seeing that happen.

That mission example was pathetic

evolving target selection is the issue mate, but you are too entitled to see that and without the watch list people will change their habits and become easier for intelligent players to pin down, thankfully I think a lot of hunters will actually be able to work that out and those that don't, well there is always pipe and hub hunting...

Change in behaviour, when an absolute is removed people change their behaviour, simple stuff do keep up.

As for that mission comment,

They exist

Actually I will tell you how many of the people in the corp I have war dec'd are operating in the area in which I am operating, and how many of their allied mercs are around, zero. Notice that I said operating which is important.

Different ,
I suspect ( don't know, really ) that the change was made to slow down the highsec-wardec-noob-bashers a bit.
The before mentioned , im leet.. i just killed a T1 cruiser with my decked out faction whore-boat.

In that, working as intended. ( i guess, if that was the intention )
In that, good job of ccp protecting the new breed of players.

Face it, we all know players who stopped playing after endless highsec wardecs who they could
not match SP and experience wise.
Working as intended ? Empty servers = no game, for none of us.

And, while this is my personal opinion, when your one of those hero's who bash the new guys,
your not worthy to name yourself mercenary.

The real mercenary's can still do there job, no watch list needed.

I answered the question

It is a stupid question as I pointed out above, your corp is poor target selection for me, I don't give a rats ass if any of you are online or not.

But those I am at war with in my operating area do matter to me and I just told you that.

You are too dumb to keep insisting on it, oh you went into corp and checked who was online and then did a quick calculation, so unimpressive.and it also shows a dying corp,

also you are generally in null sec so why the hell would a hisec war deccer be interested in you.

The Goons are only of interest to pipe and hub hunters because they have enough dumb asses who go shopping and give easy kills to that sort of people.

When people have a hisec war dec many of them did not log on with that character, or avoided in another way, at least now without the perfect logon intel they might do something with that character instead of just leave it logged off all week, but how long this takes with the quivering mass of fear filled hisec players is an open question...

You corp had an issue before, it is well known about.

.

Also, you say you operate in Minmatar- and Gallente space. Minmatar is comparatively small with just 2 hisec regions: Heimatar and Metropolis. Heimatar has 12 constellations, Metropolis has 23 and there are a few hisec systems in Molden Heath as well. And the war targets are in no way forced to stay in Metropolis or Heimatar, so you will want to have some of those things in the other regions as well. When you say you want to be informed about enemy activity in Minmatar space, just how many of those "OAs" do you plan on pooping out? I mean, you could just drop one in Rens, one in Hek and one wherever they used to operate before the war, but if they aren't stupid (which, admittedly quite a few are), they won't stay where they are known to usually hang around and they will steer well clear of tradehubs and pipes during a war. If they are stupid enough to fly down the pipe, I can again just gatecamp there instead of putting up a structure, which is the situation we currently have.

So, 10? 20? 30 defenseless structures, 10-30 million each that I have to constantly turn off and on so they have at least a chance of surviving? How about no? How is that different from flying through space trying to find one logged off target after the other in terms of tedium and frustration?


Of course it's multiple regions with a hisec war, because nobody stays just in one constellation or even region, which is exactly why a constellation is nothing in the grand scheme of things. And no, a structure that is meant to be left alone several jumps away with no means of defending it is not a conflict driver, but a dummy.


So, you want to give them something to shoot that cannot be defended, because they may not be powerful enouth to shoot something that can be? How is that a conflict driver?

Buhu you have to search your miner in the belt-¦s with you blingi ship-¦s and 10 neutral rep alt-¦s (if something goes wrong) buhu.

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