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Posted - 2007.03.17 04:45:00 -
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So I'm poking my nose around empire, high sec, and I've noticed every asteroid field is covered with anchored containers. The incentive to keep a can around is to "claim" that spot so you can use it. I've been wondering what disincentive there was from leaving containers all over the place? As far as I can tell, there is none.
So I propose a mechanism to clean up old, forgotten cans. Make them need the appropriate starbase charters in high sec. They will consume 1 starbase charter every down time. If there's no charter they get swept up for resale by the authorities. Since people may have anchored containers all over the place, I recommend a window (or even assets) that lists where your container is (and can warp there using the window).
If you're mining for the day, you can anchor the can, do your mining and then clean up without the need for a charter. If you want to keep a deepspace depot, the charters are small enough that you can have a year's supply in there for less than 4 m3 of space. As charters run for approximately 5,000 ISK, it seems fairly cheap to keep a can anchored.
There should be a grace period (announcement) before it goes into effect so that people can get their cans in order. I'm looking for feedback and if I missed any considerations.
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hambo
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Posted - 2007.03.17 05:50:00 -
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I normally use jet cans for mining but that is because my corp has haulers for the ore, I think the containers have the advantage in that they hold more than a jet can and also don't pop.
I would like to be able to mine directly into a haulers cargo hold the would remove the need for lots of cans.
I run a mining barge and if i could open a gang mates cargo hold and drop ore into it that would ve very help full. further if I could refine that ore on site and only have to haul the minerals that would be even beter. rember I am talking high sec
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.17 06:59:00 -
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 Originally by: hambo
I normally use jet cans for mining but that is because my corp has haulers for the ore, I think the containers have the advantage in that they hold more than a jet can and also don't pop.
I would like to be able to mine directly into a haulers cargo hold the would remove the need for lots of cans.
I run a mining barge and if i could open a gang mates cargo hold and drop ore into it that would ve very help full. further if I could refine that ore on site and only have to haul the minerals that would be even beter. rember I am talking high sec
That's incorrect. A Giant Secure Container only hols 3,900m3 and a jetcan holds an insane 27,500m3. They are merely used for 100% protection from ore thieves.
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.17 07:07:00 -
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Anchored containers as the previous poster says is to protect ore from ore thieves.
We do have a lot of clutter.
One is that the available containers you can anchor are not large enough. A good hauling ship can carry 3 to 5 of the giant containers amount on average, and a really suped up one might get more ( with Rigs and expensive extenders ).
We need to have the devs introduce a larger anchorable container, so that we can cut down on the clutter.
Another problem is folks leave the game and leave their cans in the fields. That clutters up things a lot. I believe that the cans should disappear 30 days after the last time it was accessed. If you don't use them in 30 days, you aren't going to use them. Call it the Concord Navigational Asteroid Belt Cleanup.
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Ammiel
Gallente
Sisters of EVE - Peace and Freedom
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Posted - 2007.03.17 07:27:00 -
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Yeah there are alot of unattended secure cans around, listing them in assests is a great idea, I actually think I have a secure can out there anchored somewhere but I forgot about it.
Maybe one way would be if the owner doesn't access them for a while maybe a few days to a few weeks they can become hackable. Who leaves anything worth anything in a secure can anyway? New overview icon for hackable cans. maybe similar to salvaging? the hacker would of course be flagged for stealing from the corporation it is owned by. so if someone leaves it lying around and forgets about it, let someone steal it/from it. It's only natural if someone found a can in space they would try to take it or access its contents.
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raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:51:00 -
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make the GSC hackable where not only could the contents be stolen but the GSC its self could be ah "salvaged" I think is the term  
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2007.03.18 16:29:00 -
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Just make them automatically unanchor if they haven't been accessed by the owner for a month.....
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Toda Toranaga
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Posted - 2007.03.18 20:02:00 -
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allowing anchored cans to dissapear after a time of no access is a problem. what about people who anchor cans and rename them, using them as billboards or advertisements? This should ONLY apply to those cans in asteroid belts.
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Kramer Verone
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Posted - 2007.03.18 20:29:00 -
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i hate advertisement with containers as it usually fills the overview and therefore is an annoyance during navigation. I don't believe anyone actually signs up based from those containers, if anything, it shows how unprofessional the corp is.
all secure containers could UNANCHOR after two months of inactivity, but flagging rules would still apply..
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Tavi Silverthorn
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Posted - 2007.03.18 22:44:00 -
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Or CCP could make the anchoring have more use by making the higher the level the longer the can is able to stay anchored. Say one week per level.
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.03.18 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 18/03/2007 23:32:50
Yeah 1 week expiration after that the can can be hacked since the batteries run out .
After 1 weeks time >> if you really want to keep the cans active you need to reactivate them. Unacnhor and reanchor. (this equals swapping the invisible battery)
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.18 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toda Toranaga
allowing anchored cans to dissapear after a time of no access is a problem. what about people who anchor cans and rename them, using them as billboards or advertisements? This should ONLY apply to those cans in asteroid belts.
You say that like advertisements are actually a good thing.
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Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.03.19 00:17:00 -
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Added this to the commonly proposed ideas thread
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:35:00 -
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Something does indeed need to be done.
I gotta admit I've been bad before on this. I moved from Mista to Moselgi a long time ago and left my cans behind in the belts. I only recently was in the area and took them down finally, but I bet they were in the belts unattended for more than 6 months.
This would also help reduce lag if some sort of system where the cans were removed due to inactivity while at the same time allowing new people that move into the area the ability to use their own cans.
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Ferreus Malukar
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ferreus Malukar on 20/03/2007 13:37:33
I agree to the week-per-level and the in-the-assets proposals!
Humm i think I still have a container left floating somewhere in Placid... 
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Tarock Sharn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:22:00 -
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This is a real probelm for new players and puts us a massive disadvatage not that we don't have enough already. lol
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Tristin Del'astakhos
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tristin Del''astakhos on 03/04/2007 08:25:58
Just wipe all cans after each server reset. People should not be leaving cans around in space. I use cans to mine, and it's really a pain to go into a belt that is complexity empty of players and no room to anchor any of my own cans. I mean honestly, it's not hard to put your cans away when your done mining, I do it all the time, it takes all of 5 mins. 
And bigger cans would be nice to.
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Ferreus Malukar
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:50:00 -
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Well, I like the advertising cans.  I wouldn't just wipe all floating cans completely once per day, thats too short-time. But there should be a need to keep them up to date or they will disappear.
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Emylissan
Gallente
European Science Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:51:00 -
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Yes a weekly clean of secure cans is a good idea. On the other side the person who ancored the container could have to pay a daily fee for the space his container uses. Lets say 1000 isk per day, not much when a full ore load with a hauler makes about 500k isk.
That way you wont forget your cans in the belt and if you do than pay for that.
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Tonto Auri
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:46:00 -
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Popping of anchored cans is like replacing BPO with BPC. Looks same, but.. POP!
Here already 2 solutions.
1. Pay for can. Depends on can size and system security rating - it may be up to 27,300 ISK per day for Giant Secure Can (Cargo*Sec*10). Paid from corp or personal account depends on type of anchor - for corp or for self.
2. Introduce new, bigger can so we can replace 3-5 of our cans with one and clean belt from waste of cans.
Of course both of that rules may apply, but in any case all existing cans must be unanchored and placed in nearest station hangars before any rule changes.
Another addition for cans - what about placing them in SHIPS tab instead of ITEMS?
I mean, they have cargo space and can stay in apace forever like ships. It is not that strange to visually move them from ITEMS to SHIPS.
And, in the name of God, give us ability to search in remote cans!
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:58:00 -
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Give cans a maximum anchored duration of 30 days.
After 30 days the cans become freefloating because they lose there anchor.
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:17:00 -
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Every dt the can takes some (about 10% of total HPs) damage from asteroids smashing into it or whatever. The only way to keep the can alive it to hit it with a remote armor rep every few days.
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Barbaro55a
Caldari
Os Lobos
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:32:00 -
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Batery life on cans. Once its gone, its a free for all. Stop clutter, and make our stars look nice again!
I doubt the cans are causing all the lag, but i'm sure they dont help. FDaily cleaning would prob increase the downtime (only a few min, but a few min is enough). Battery life based on skill level, recharge by acessing it, ships do this automatically, i have issues remembering the passwords let alone to recharge them.
And if any one is in Hek or perimiter, i left lots their the passwords are the system name and then the date left...guess that and you win the contents.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kramer Verone
i hate advertisement with containers as it usually fills the overview and therefore is an annoyance during navigation. I don't believe anyone actually signs up based from those containers, if anything, it shows how unprofessional the corp is.
And how do you propose to advertise a small corp that nobody knows? I have been wanting the ability to advertise your corps for a long time. But this is off topic anyway.
The cans should become unanchored after a period of inactivity. A month or two should be quite adequate, after which anyone can salvage them. Most of the GSC's are only used by noobs who have not progressed to mining barges yet. When they have managed to secure a retriever, they realise how stupidly small the GSC really is and it gets left in the belt to clutter it up. Add to that, forgotten passwords (okay, I'm guilty of that as well) and it gets pretty busy in some belts.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:08:00 -
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There have been threads concerning anchored cans over and over again.
I really hope that one day there will be a change and a solution to all the can spam.
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Lemen Meringue
Cult of Lemen
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:30:00 -
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A Tale in the Desert has an interesting way of dealing with stuff left laying around by people that no longer play: the departed persons property reclamation act. Basically you can go up to any structure (floating can/ship/pos/whatever in this case), and say "Hey, can I have this?". The server checks to see the status of the owner, and if they are no longer paying customers and haven't been for X amount of time, it says "Sure!".
Be a cool way to deal with it in eve as well. The players will be responsible for garbage collection, but I bet a fair number of people would run around scooping abandoned cans and such hoping for some long abandoned loots.
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Zyrus Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.04 06:59:00 -
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I think CCP should definetly implement some way to clean up the belts from cans. No matter if this happens by listing in the assets (so that the players themself clean up) or by granting access for anyone after a while (belt cleanup would be a well payed new job).
I have been in belts where so many cans were anchored that i experienced an incredible lag in there. it was so laggy (just because of cans) that you could not really mine anymore. I gave up and searched for another belt with less cans in it.
CCP claims to do a lot against lagging (for example the jump to zero to avoid the thousands of bookmarks for every player)... so why haven't they done anything against this obvious and easy to fix lag reason!?
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:28:00 -
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The devs will have to do something about it sooner or later.
It is an issue already imo.
Imagine in 10 years time if no change is made.
You wont be able to see the roids for can clutter.
On the subject of advertisments.
How many people actually read those and how many people just right click overview , remove cargo can from overview.
Like I want to read purile spam when I am flying around lol.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:50:00 -
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Billboard rent instead of container spam!
When you go in some belts, you can't even drop your secure container, there's not much room to anchor, you have to move around to find a good place...
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Iamg
The Department Of Production
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Posted - 2007.04.04 21:07:00 -
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This gets my vote.
Anchorable cans should be hauled every day in higher sec and maybe a slightly increased window as the sec level reduces.
If they are left out beyond that window then the passwords either fail or they become hackable.
24 hours later they just un-anchor themselves and then pop as a jetcan would if still left floating around (maybe another 24 hours later)
Maximum should be a week in space. If used within the week then reset the timer.
But if left then bye bye can eventually.
Surely a must for the Need for Speed campaign.
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