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Faxien Ambramotte Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.09.26 18:49:43 - [1] - Quote I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1069	Posted - 2016.09.26 18:52:59 - [2] - Quote Yes Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 901	Posted - 2016.09.26 18:55:42 - [3] - Quote No. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16591	Posted - 2016.09.26 19:32:03 - [4] - Quote With appropriate emotes and dance animations. And interactiive bed for two or more. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Kyoko Sakoda Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 278	Posted - 2016.09.26 19:35:30 - [5] - Quote No gameplay = no reason.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18115	Posted - 2016.09.26 19:48:29 - [6] - Quote Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 410	Posted - 2016.09.26 19:53:02 - [7] - Quote If you dock in a Citadel, you'll notice they don't have a "captains quarters" choices are hanger or outside view. If one is necessary, that should be the final nail in the coffin for WIS. RIP.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13010	Posted - 2016.09.26 19:53:08 - [8] - Quote We might well have to get used to the idea that there will be no one but ourselves to toot our floots :( Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14756	Posted - 2016.09.26 19:53:41 - [9] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. NEVER!!!!!!!! -signed, Every WiS activist ever
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 557	Posted - 2016.09.26 20:47:32 - [10] - Quote After that huge Incarna mess, which actually was more related to micro (lol, micro in NeX - now NES) transactions than actually the WiS part (which happened to be really messy too, though), it's not ever going to happen. We got the micro transactions which we heavily revolted over, but we didn't get the WiS part and we're never going to get it.. Just more micro transactions... When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Goatman NotMyFault Lubrication Industries Band of Boogers 261	Posted - 2016.09.26 20:47:46 - [11] - Quote Some devs got drunk at the latest party and said WiS will come around summer of 2017
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 589	Posted - 2016.09.26 21:08:16 - [12] - Quote I'm all for WiS. @lunettelulu7
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18117	Posted - 2016.09.26 21:12:31 - [13] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Malcanis wrote: Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. NEVER!!!!!!!! -signed, Every WiS activist ever I'm surprised the usual suspects haven't turned up already, tbh. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1071	Posted - 2016.09.26 21:14:33 - [14] - Quote Kyoko Sakoda wrote: No gameplay = no reason. Eve works largely because players find and create their own gameplay with the tools provided. For example, as a PvP game, the game doesn't actually create the PvP. It just provides the tools and players find all the ways to use them for PvP. I don't want WiS, however I'm fairly certain that if it was provided players would find ways to use it. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 403	Posted - 2016.09.26 21:56:50 - [15] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Kyoko Sakoda wrote: No gameplay = no reason. Eve works largely because players find and create their own gameplay with the tools provided. For example, as a PvP game, the game doesn't actually create the PvP. It just provides the tools and players find all the ways to use them for PvP. I don't want WiS, however I'm fairly certain that if it was provided players would find ways to ~~use~~ COMPLAIN ABOUT it. fyp KB Dum Spiro Spero
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1071	Posted - 2016.09.26 21:59:58 - [16] - Quote KaarBaak wrote: I don't want WiS, however I'm fairly certain that if it was provided players would find ways to [strike]use[/strike] COMPLAIN ABOUT it. fyp KB That's not how you do strike. ~~This is~~ with just an "s" in the brackets. So if you are going to "fix" a post, then fix it, not **** it up. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Serene Repose 3068	Posted - 2016.09.26 22:30:44 - [17] - Quote BWAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA!!!! WiS to accomodate the Sims. "I don't play much, but I like to log and say hi to the fellers down at the space station." Sure, I can see them dropping 125 to 150 million USD on this, especially just after biting the bullet and relenting to going to Free To Play. Sure. Massive investment of cash to appease the eye-candy eaters, coming right up. WiS. I love WiS threads. "...I do post about things I don't know about more often than I probably should (...I post...as I fly...recklessly). -Dirty Forum Alt-
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 196	Posted - 2016.09.26 22:33:46 - [18] - Quote CCP is too busy sucking the...shoes...of players who wouldn't mind if EVE didn't even have a graphical interface.
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 403	Posted - 2016.09.26 22:41:29 - [19] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: KaarBaak wrote: I don't want WiS, however I'm fairly certain that if it was provided players would find ways to [strike]use[/strike] COMPLAIN ABOUT it. fyp KB That's not how you do strike. ~~This is~~ with just an "s" in the brackets. So if you are going to "fix" a post, then fix it, not **** it up. Sheesh...lighten-up Francis. Took me 2 minutes to fix it. But thanks for confirming my fix...took mere minutes for you to complain about my post....can't imagine how bad the complaining would get if WiS were implemented. Dum Spiro Spero
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1074	Posted - 2016.09.26 22:43:48 - [20] - Quote KaarBaak wrote: Sheesh...lighten-up Francis. How'd you know my real name? Are you dozing me? Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Tennoku Mercury Nation 14	Posted - 2016.09.26 23:07:40 - [21] - Quote I would not be surprised if a future WIS instead uses the UE4 engine, and integrates in some way with a potential future EVE online shooter. And then, I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen, either. I'd love to see something done with WIS though.
Zanar Skwigelf Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra 45	Posted - 2016.09.27 00:19:39 - [22] - Quote The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up.
TackyTachy1 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2016.09.27 04:37:27 - [23] - Quote Captain's quarters are a waste of resources, as walking in station would be. Only time I used CQ was when I was making a video and wanted to record my really cute female character walking towards her ship. She has a cute little ass. Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 99	Posted - 2016.09.27 09:17:17 - [24] - Quote Oh man, this again. Alright folks, here's the deal: CCP is working on (another) ground based shooter. They also ended up with a lot of experience/refining stuff via DUST. HOWEVER They've spent all of their non-EVE forays in to the universe trying to capture other sectors of the market. Note that DUST wasn't an MMO, and had laughable EVE integration, Valkyrie has an excessively low player base due to it being exculsive to expensive early adopter tech, and gunjack... well lets not talk about gunjack. CCP made a decision a while back to be "the EVE company" but pretty much halfassed it after the collective meh that resulted from the DUST/EVE integration. What we know about legion is that it's supposed to be less session based, PC-centric, and possibly more tightly integrated with EVE than DUST was. However, you can put away your dreams of getting out of your spaceship, grabbing some power armor, and going all rambo. because of CCPs current "let's split the EVE universe in to as many markets as possible" approach, if you want to play the infantry game, its going to be a new character, in a new game, with a new installer. In terms of Walking in Stations, what does this mean? Does it mean we'll never get WIS? Yes and no. Guys from the old team Avatar reported having a solid working prototype for "site based gameplay" that the at-te-time CSM and others that saw it responded well to. They've also said multiple times that it isn't worth the effort to add WIS if it doesn't come with corresponding gameplay that integrates tightly with the existing EVE ship play. This means it is HIGHLY unlikely you're going to see WIS style play until there is a platform for actual content in stations. Not just chairs and living rooms, but dedicated sources for new rewards that are critical to future EVE spaceship mechanics. You are not going to see a patch that just adds captain's quarters to citadels, and you're not going to see a patch that just adds a multiplayer lobby to stations. You're ALSO probably not going to see EVE avatar style gameplay that too closely mirrors something like DUST, as DUST is being replaced by a separate product, Legion. So, where does this leave WIS content? Walking in stations will likely be the last, not the first phase of any avatar gameplay. What we've been told is that the initial prototypes involved "sites" and given the context, its pretty safe to assume that these sites involved docking and getting out of your pod. If we're going to see WIS play in EVE in the future, this is the first form its going to take. They've also expressed a design goal with the old prototype to make sure it's not just a tack on game. Now, I've never once been to an EVE event, never been on the CSM, etc. but looking at the history of WIS and CCP's actions regarding the EVE IP up to this point, here's a little theorycrafting as to what EVE on the ground could look like after they're done with the structures and current tiericide projects: Legion takes a page out of the DUST playbook and uses rogue drones as the de-facto NPC bad guy. Legion development spends a lot of time developing exterior and interior art assets for ground based play, as many of those art assets can serve double duty for WIS content in the future. Which means you're not going to see WIS in EVE until legion gets much closer to release. Capsuleers, not being infantry, do not use shooting stuff with guns and power armor as the primary method of play, but their existing skills are leveraged in a rework of relic sites. Why? Because currently relic and data sites use the exact same gameplay, with two separate hacking skills. Relic sites from this release forward continue to contain the existing containers, but also contain a main complex. We'll plunder these sites for new faction BPs, T3 materials for new ships, etc. by using many of our existing capsuleer skills in a type of avatar play that feels less like call of duty and more like resident evil or dead space. Hacking things will use the hacking skill and minigame. Drone skills, scanning, thermodynamics, the sciences, etc. will have various uses in semi-procedurally generated complexes that are more about puzzle mechanics with occasional shooting than all out combat. (Again, because all out combat is the job of another product, which they want to you buy and play) Loot from these sites will be used to build tools for WIS content (think whatever an EVE version of a tricorder looks like) as well as new modules/tiers for structures and ships, and possibly legion gear if they decide to integrate the two economies. The complexes have internal loot you can carry on your capsuleer (blueprints, datacrystals, rdbs, etc.) but a large part of the loot also comes in the form of containers which must be jettisoned in to space and collected by you, your allies, or anybody who happens to be tooling around outside. Hardpoints on said structures can be shot, which will ** things up for you inside. Getting killed in said site would be akin to getting podded, you lost a clone. That clone, however, would remain lootable for its implants, having not been all **** up by exploding in a space ship. PVP inside one such complex among capsuleers would be extremely dangerous, risking explosive decompression, with very low fire rate high damage weapons (legion soldiers have special implants, and capsuleers are already jacked up so they can't use the cool military hardware, etc. so they're limited to low yield light weaponry) and the omnipresent threat of hostiles outside shooting the complex up, shooting your ship, and otherwise the massive terrifying danger of being on a rusted out hunk of crap floating in space will be major factor in what makes this mode of play distinct from Legion's run-and-gun army mans, literally being something so dangerous only the immortal capsuleer demigods would attempt it in the first place.
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3503	Posted - 2016.09.27 09:21:35 - [25] - Quote Goatman NotMyFault wrote: Some devs got drunk at the latest party and said WiS will come around summer of 2017 sometimes when im drunk i like grab an oven tray and sit in the middle of my blue rug with a hat on and pretend im a pirate sailing the seas Loyalist to Angel Cartel Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
Arkoth 24 Phayder 319	Posted - 2016.09.27 09:44:43 - [26] - Quote Malcanis wrote: After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. And there are still a lot of people who want it. If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3503	Posted - 2016.09.27 09:55:42 - [27] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. And there are still a lot of people who want it. If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving. i want to be able to fly planes and drives tanks in call of duty, why cant i do this but other games can? Loyalist to Angel Cartel Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
Arkoth 24 Phayder 319	Posted - 2016.09.27 10:01:59 - [28] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. And there are still a lot of people who want it. If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving. i want to be able to fly planes and drives tanks in call of duty, why cant i do this but other games can? 'Cause CoD sucks obviously. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 873	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:44:07 - [29] - Quote I support realistic, fully-integrated WiS. When my locator agent sends me to a war target who is offline (or even just afk) inside a station - I feel that I should realistically have the ability to dock, exit my captain's quarters, use my hacking skills to break into their hangar, shoot them in the back of the head as they sleep on their captain's couch - and steal everything they own. I should also have the option to illegally break into the quarters of scammers/high-volume traders in the main market hubs at the expense of getting a suspect flag, and steal everything they own as well. This would lead to epic free-for-all firefights in the market hub stations - and ultimately a massive redistribution of wealth among those who actively play the game. I realize that protecting my own assets would require setting up a network of Citadels and denying access to them to everyone else - but I'm OK with that, as long as it means I can do the above. Also to bring all the suicide gankers on board people should be required to fill a backpack with all their valuables and exit their captain's quarters to take the items to the market area of the station - providing an additional opportunity for suicide ganking. Perhaps they should also have to carry large, obvious money-bags with their profits to/from the bank as well - just to add to the opportunities. Non-combat pilots are already on-board as long as they get fancy clothes to try out and show off, so no need to add anything else for them. And then I think we've got everyone in EVE on-board! The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:49:28 - [30] - Quote I hate being the only perv staring at my buttocks
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 211	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:57:26 - [31] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. And there are still a lot of people who want it. If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving. This. I would love to see a shooter like Planetside 2 integrated into the EVE universe. But after almost 5 years i have gotten used to CCP not doing want i want. For example, im not interested in SOV warfare, POSes and captial ships, but CCP is focusing development on these areas for several years now. I cant even remember the last update that i really loved. I think it was the ship tiercide several years ago, when they made every ship useful. Nevertheless, EVE ist still the only MMO worth playing in my opinion. Once you are used to the "hardcoreness" and sandbox environment of EVE, other MMOs are pretty boring.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 601	Posted - 2016.09.27 14:08:32 - [32] - Quote Want WIS ! actually just be happy to be able to decorate my captains quarters and have some trophies for number of pvp kills/ missions run etc. and a in character eve news show on captain quarters screens. make it happen ccp ! will love u long time ! "...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave." \| zoonr-Korsairs \| Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" \| Rafeau \|
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18123	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:48:01 - [33] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. And there are still a lot of people who want it. If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving. My reply to this line of argument remains the same as it was a year ago. Wait, it's two years now. Heh. Anyway: If you really believe that there's such a huge untapped demand for WiS from people who will pay money for it, create a kickstarter. Let's see how much actual cold, hard cash people are willing to front up in order to pay CCP (or invest in a partnership with CCP) to make it happen. I'll kick in -ú10 if you do, maybe more if you can agree some enticing stretch goals with CCP. I've always quite liked the WiS idea and if it was done properly it could have a lot of potential. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Arkoth 24 Phayder 322	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:07:24 - [34] - Quote Malcanis wrote: My reply to this line of argument remains the same as it was a year ago... And my reply is: No. F@#%ken. Way. Am i look like an owner of CCP? Or an EVE developer? It's not my f@#%ken job. I pay the money - CCP provides the service. Dat's all. If i don't like the service - i go away. No hard feelings. It's not my job to keep subscribers subscribing. I'm not goin' to be paid for dat, k? "Oh you don't like it - so go and make it better!" - Just. No. In addition to dat. I've just returned from coronation event - it was awful. Really. I dunno who was so smart to make Empress talk in 2500+ local channel instead of making another one just like for incursions but with muted capsuleers. I dunno who was so smart to not preparing for 2500+ capsuleers in local laggin' like hell. But if ya would like to ask me to fix dat crap too - i say "No". Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 621	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:16:28 - [35] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I support realistic, fully-integrated WiS. When my locator agent sends me to a war target who is offline (or even just afk) inside a station - I feel that I should realistically have the ability to dock, exit my captain's quarters, use my hacking skills to break into their hangar, shoot them in the back of the head as they sleep on their captain's couch - and steal everything they own. I should also have the option to illegally break into the quarters of scammers/high-volume traders in the main market hubs at the expense of getting a suspect flag, and steal everything they own as well. This would lead to epic free-for-all firefights in the market hub stations - and ultimately a massive redistribution of wealth among those who actively play the game. I realize that protecting my own assets would require setting up a network of Citadels and denying access to them to everyone else - but I'm OK with that, as long as it means I can do the above. Also to bring all the suicide gankers on board people should be required to fill a backpack with all their valuables and exit their captain's quarters to take the items to the market area of the station - providing an additional opportunity for suicide ganking. Perhaps they should also have to carry large, obvious money-bags with their profits to/from the bank as well - just to add to the opportunities. Non-combat pilots are already on-board as long as they get fancy clothes to try out and show off, so no need to add anything else for them. And then I think we've got everyone in EVE on-board! I'm on board. And since you killed a capsuleer who isn't in a pod, they die permanently, lose all their skills and have to start over with a fresh character from scratch.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 322	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:24:52 - [36] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: I'm on board. And since you killed a capsuleer who isn't in a pod, they die permanently, lose all their skills and have to start over with a fresh character from scratch. I would like to see ex-capsuleers warpin' away on their overheated butt-drive too, but - sad to say - all capsule operators are back-upped as data for such cases. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4684	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:31:38 - [37] - Quote Zanar Skwigelf wrote: The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up. That's brilliant! WIS-- with sudden airlock failures! All toons hoovered out and now corpsicles Walking in Space. Who wouldn't pay cash dollars to play a game with a feature like that? Start the bubble machine! -Lawrence Welk
Serene Repose 3071	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:35:39 - [38] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: Zanar Skwigelf wrote: The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up. That's brilliant! WIS-- with sudden airlock failures! All toons hoovered out and now corpsicles Walking in Space. Who wouldn't pay cash dollars to play a game with a feature like that? Sounds great if most of the posters on this thread didn't PLEX their accounts. To seriously answer the OP's question - No. There will be no enlargement/enhancement/elaboration to the WiS feature of EVE. There will be, however, an endless stream of people thinking this is just a brilliant idea. Welcome to EVE. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18127	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:17:48 - [39] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: My reply to this line of argument remains the same as it was a year ago... And my reply is: No. F@#%ken. Way. Am i look like an owner of CCP? Or an EVE developer? It's not my f@#%ken job. I pay the money - CCP provides the service. Dat's all. If i don't like the service - i go away. No hard feelings. It's not my job to keep subscribers subscribing. I'm not goin' to be paid for dat, k? "Oh you don't like it - so go and make it better!" - Just. No. In addition to dat. I've just returned from coronation event - it was awful. Really. I dunno who was so smart to make Empress talk in 2500+ local channel instead of making another one just like for incursions but with muted capsuleers. I dunno who was so smart to not preparing for 2500+ capsuleers in local laggin' like hell. But if ya would like to ask me to fix dat crap too - i say "No". So in essence you want CCP to invest their money in recreating a project that crashed and burned, instead of into projects that worked. Well I wish you the best of luck with your campaign. It'll be a tough sell, but who knows; maybe water will flow uphill for you. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14766	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:19:11 - [40] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: My reply to this line of argument remains the same as it was a year ago... And my reply is: No. F@#%ken. Way. Am i look like an owner of CCP? Or an EVE developer? It's not my f@#%ken job. I pay the money - CCP provides the service. Dat's all. If i don't like the service - i go away. No hard feelings. It's not my job to keep subscribers subscribing. I'm not goin' to be paid for dat, k? "Oh you don't like it - so go and make it better!" - Just. No. In addition to dat. I've just returned from coronation event - it was awful. Really. I dunno who was so smart to make Empress talk in 2500+ local channel instead of making another one just like for incursions but with muted capsuleers. I dunno who was so smart to not preparing for 2500+ capsuleers in local laggin' like hell. But if ya would like to ask me to fix dat crap too - i say "No". Proof that the people who have spent years crying about WiS don't actually want it enough to make it happen. Notice this poster talking about people leaving if WiS doesn't happen....demonstrably not leaving even though WiS isn't happening....proving again that they really don't want WiS. I'm with Mal. I'll chip in cash if someone does a kickstarter, I think WiS is a waste of time (an example of utopian "I want a game to be everything for me" thinking not unlike Star Citizen sycophancy), but if people were serious about it (they aren't) I'd help, just to see it done right.
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 404	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:27:25 - [41] - Quote What's the old saying about the definition of 'insanity?' Dum Spiro Spero
Kush Arcadian Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:28:22 - [42] - Quote I remember that some years back when i tried out Star Trek Online, they had a thing where u could dock up to Deep Space Nine and then walk around there. You could even play that gambling game with Quark at his bar. Maybe something like that......
Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1111	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:07:19 - [43] - Quote To bad that the never try it. And fared to open a new way of playing. This can benefit every one. (if the have the man power). But the chicken away and this is what the have a dying game that's stable at half the power the had. And I do not see any change in that soon. Perhaps the free to play trick but if people get bored again the quit out faster than the ever create a avatar. No CCP need to invest money for that and the afraid for it. To bad CCP mis a very good chance for become the greatest game every build and made and maintained over a decade. You need to know if you going full virtual with this game? I think am in a matrix. And eve is my life. Now it`s not.
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 100	Posted - 2016.09.28 02:03:00 - [44] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: Zanar Skwigelf wrote: The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up. That's brilliant! WIS-- with sudden airlock failures! All toons hoovered out and now corpsicles Walking in Space. Who wouldn't pay cash dollars to play a game with a feature like that? Sounds great if most of the posters on this thread didn't PLEX their accounts. To seriously answer the OP's question - No. There will be no enlargement/enhancement/elaboration to the WiS feature of EVE. There will be, however, an endless stream of people thinking this is just a brilliant idea. Welcome to EVE. People that plex their accounts funnel just as much money to CCP as people that don't. A plex used is a plex bought with real money after all. That's why CCP set up plex the way they did in the first place. Expecting WIS within the next couple years is dumb. Expecting some kind of avatar content after they've rolled out the logical conclusion of player base structures (player built stargates to completely npc-free galaxies run entirely by players) and all their 40 versions of ship and module tiericides does seem like something they'd look at revisiting, but ONLY if legion, or whatever its called now... Nova? actually does well for them. At that point they'd have an art team already churning out man-scale art that they could repurpose for whatever EVE avatar gameplay they think would make a good addition to the game in order to try and get those players to try and buy in to EVE, it would be much cheaper, and they'd be doing double duty for the art team with all their microtransactions coats and hats. Asking about WIS in the current climate is silly. Asking about it three years from now IF they finally managed to make a successful first person game is the only situation in which I can see it becoming something CCP would bother attempting again, because money. CCP has shown again and again that it something looks like it can make money, they'll invest in it for EVE. See: Alpha clones, SKINs, and continuing to make and sell new outfit parts in the aurum shop. Nobody asked for any of that, but it happened because CCP is a business. At the point they have hard data rather than the hopes and dreams of a couple forum posters that WIS will make them sufficient money it could become a reality. In the current climate they're already spread so thin on niche, small, or vaporware projects like the VR stuff or their super skret third-time's-a-charm shooter that adding something so major to EVE just isn't financially realistic.
Rain6637 NulzSec 34240	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:20:09 - [45] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. you mean because no one at CCP knows how do to it anyway and until industry professionals want to move to Iceland and work for dried fish the WiS situation won't change? whaaat Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Serene Repose 3073	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:53:04 - [46] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: Zanar Skwigelf wrote: The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up. That's brilliant! WIS-- with sudden airlock failures! All toons hoovered out and now corpsicles Walking in Space. Who wouldn't pay cash dollars to play a game with a feature like that? Sounds great if most of the posters on this thread didn't PLEX their accounts. To seriously answer the OP's question - No. There will be no enlargement/enhancement/elaboration to the WiS feature of EVE. There will be, however, an endless stream of people thinking this is just a brilliant idea. Welcome to EVE. People that plex their accounts funnel just as much money to CCP as people that don't. A plex used is a plex bought with real money after all. That's why CCP set up plex the way they did in the first place. Expecting WIS within the next couple years is dumb. Expecting some kind of avatar content after they've rolled out the logical conclusion of player base structures (player built stargates to completely npc-free galaxies run entirely by players) and all their 40 versions of ship and module tiericides does seem like something they'd look at revisiting, but ONLY if legion, or whatever its called now... Nova? actually does well for them. At that point they'd have an art team already churning out man-scale art that they could repurpose for whatever EVE avatar gameplay they think would make a good addition to the game in order to try and get those players to try and buy in to EVE, it would be much cheaper, and they'd be doing double duty for the art team with all their microtransactions coats and hats. Asking about WIS in the current climate is silly. Asking about it three years from now IF they finally managed to make a successful first person game is the only situation in which I can see it becoming something CCP would bother attempting again, because money. CCP has shown again and again that it something looks like it can make money, they'll invest in it for EVE. See: Alpha clones, SKINs, and continuing to make and sell new outfit parts in the aurum shop. Nobody asked for any of that, but it happened because CCP is a business. At the point they have hard data rather than the hopes and dreams of a couple forum posters that WIS will make them sufficient money it could become a reality. In the current climate they're already spread so thin on niche, small, or vaporware projects like the VR stuff or their super skret third-time's-a-charm shooter that adding something so major to EVE just isn't financially realistic. LOL. People who grind enough to buy PLEX with ISK don't put money into CCP's coffers. At least their accountant says so, though you (and your logic) might. Are we really going to play funny money again? We must accommodate the idiocracy.
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 100	Posted - 2016.09.28 06:04:20 - [47] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: PopeUrban wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: Zanar Skwigelf wrote: The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up. That's brilliant! WIS-- with sudden airlock failures! All toons hoovered out and now corpsicles Walking in Space. Who wouldn't pay cash dollars to play a game with a feature like that? Sounds great if most of the posters on this thread didn't PLEX their accounts. To seriously answer the OP's question - No. There will be no enlargement/enhancement/elaboration to the WiS feature of EVE. There will be, however, an endless stream of people thinking this is just a brilliant idea. Welcome to EVE. People that plex their accounts funnel just as much money to CCP as people that don't. A plex used is a plex bought with real money after all. That's why CCP set up plex the way they did in the first place. Expecting WIS within the next couple years is dumb. Expecting some kind of avatar content after they've rolled out the logical conclusion of player base structures (player built stargates to completely npc-free galaxies run entirely by players) and all their 40 versions of ship and module tiericides does seem like something they'd look at revisiting, but ONLY if legion, or whatever its called now... Nova? actually does well for them. At that point they'd have an art team already churning out man-scale art that they could repurpose for whatever EVE avatar gameplay they think would make a good addition to the game in order to try and get those players to try and buy in to EVE, it would be much cheaper, and they'd be doing double duty for the art team with all their microtransactions coats and hats. Asking about WIS in the current climate is silly. Asking about it three years from now IF they finally managed to make a successful first person game is the only situation in which I can see it becoming something CCP would bother attempting again, because money. CCP has shown again and again that it something looks like it can make money, they'll invest in it for EVE. See: Alpha clones, SKINs, and continuing to make and sell new outfit parts in the aurum shop. Nobody asked for any of that, but it happened because CCP is a business. At the point they have hard data rather than the hopes and dreams of a couple forum posters that WIS will make them sufficient money it could become a reality. In the current climate they're already spread so thin on niche, small, or vaporware projects like the VR stuff or their super skret third-time's-a-charm shooter that adding something so major to EVE just isn't financially realistic. LOL. People who grind enough to buy PLEX with ISK don't put money into CCP's coffers. At least their accountant says so, though you (and your logic) might. Are we really going to play funny money again? Unless something changed, I was under the impression that PLEX only exists when actual real money has been spent. For everyone that grinds ISK to buy a PLEX, someone else has to pay CCP for the PLEX in actual dollars at some point. The seller has effectively paid for the buyer's sub for that account. Did CCP just start seeding tons of free PLEX in to the game and I never got the memo, or are you on about some kind of more abstract metric for cash earned per human player or something? I'd like to see that economic breakdown if you've got a link handy. sounds interesting.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 322	Posted - 2016.09.28 06:46:35 - [48] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Proof that the people who have spent years crying about WiS don't actually want it enough to make it happen. Notice this poster talking about people leaving if WiS doesn't happen....demonstrably not leaving even though WiS isn't happening....proving again that they really don't want WiS. The fact i don't wanna do the job other people are paid for don't prove that i don't want WiS. At least - in common sense. And i don't wanna say "BUAAAA BAD GAME UNSUBSCRIBED!!!!11" - for now at least. I find EVE worth paying for it - even without WiS. It may be changed in future - in November especially - but for now i'm down with it. All i wanna say that CCP IMHO make something people don't want to happen insted of something they were asked for years. Years of asking for WiS. Years of asking for more PvE content. Years of asking for mining rework. All of these may make people keep paying. And - i don't even mention WoD. An army of fans were waiting and asking for it for years. CCP gave 'em some VR-crap instead. Instead - they are giving people SKINs, F2P (Who the hell was asking for it? No, really?) and candies for subscription. OK, let's hope it will work and a bunch of people who don't want to pay will bring CCP more money than people who are able to pay but see less reasons for it with every update. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18127	Posted - 2016.09.28 07:07:29 - [49] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: To bad that the never try it. And fared to open a new way of playing. This can benefit every one. (if the have the man power). But the chicken away and this is what the have a dying game that's stable at half the power the had. And I do not see any change in that soon. Perhaps the free to play trick but if people get bored again the quit out faster than the ever create a avatar. No CCP need to invest money for that and the afraid for it. To bad CCP mis a very good chance for become the greatest game every build and made and maintained over a decade. You need to know if you going full virtual with this game? I think am in a matrix. And eve is my life. Now it`s not. CCP did try it. And it failed, abysmally. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 101	Posted - 2016.09.28 07:34:27 - [50] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Johan Civire wrote: To bad that the never try it. And fared to open a new way of playing. This can benefit every one. (if the have the man power). But the chicken away and this is what the have a dying game that's stable at half the power the had. And I do not see any change in that soon. Perhaps the free to play trick but if people get bored again the quit out faster than the ever create a avatar. No CCP need to invest money for that and the afraid for it. To bad CCP mis a very good chance for become the greatest game every build and made and maintained over a decade. You need to know if you going full virtual with this game? I think am in a matrix. And eve is my life. Now it`s not. CCP did try it. And it failed, abysmally. Whether you like the idea or not, CCP never actually tried WIS. They used an undeveloped engine to sell overpriced microtransactions. Then we all rioted. About the microtransactions. Because there was no actual playable content in their shiny new patch with walkie-people. it wasn't WIS or the sixty dollar monocles that caused the uproar. It was the combination of sixty dollar monocles and a "content patch" with no content other than a series of living rooms that were just less convenient versions of the station menu. Had they released, you know, gameplay with those avatars, people would have been less pissed about the monocles. Had they just released cosmetics (like the SKIN system) without hyping up fantastic new dimensions of gameplay then failing to deliver any gameplay at all... people would have been waaaay less pissed. Incarna,as a patch, was a failure because it was devoid of actual content, and replaced what would usually be content with microtransactions for the least important part of the game, the people. It added nothing to EVE but a way to spend money on something that had no use to the player. It is not, however, a failure of either microtransactions or WIS. It's a failure of trying to use a half working beta of a new feature as a marketing tool to sell heavily overpriced microtransactions that had nothing to do with their main gameplay loop. You can be damn sure they're not going to try it again until the finish abusing non-EVE sections of the gaming market with their third... wait no fourth...wait no fifth attempt at a game that includes people walking around. Mark my words. As soon as CCP figured out how to make money off of the nineteenth reboot of their shooter prototype in 2347, they'll actually revisit avatar content in EVE. by then they'll have a ******* clue how it works, what people actually want out of it, and the whole market will be so desentized by hundreds of years of microtransactions that nobody will bat an eyelash at them any more. Hell, they could release a sixty dollar monocle again right now and literally nobody would care.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 322	Posted - 2016.09.28 07:56:37 - [51] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Hell, they could release a sixty dollar monocle again right now and literally nobody would care. If years ago CCP would even say a word 'bout SP trading or SKINs - Jita would blow up to shreds. Or even think for a moment of any kind of something looks-like-not-so-much-F2P a bit. Now WiS looks like not a big deal. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16701	Posted - 2016.09.28 09:07:33 - [52] - Quote The sad fact is that making game f2p is a lot easier than adding actual new kind of gameplay to your game. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Rhalina Sedai Notice Has Been Served 35	Posted - 2016.09.28 10:07:47 - [53] - Quote I would like CCP to add an industry part to stations where you could actually see your ship being built. Let the partial ship spinning commence she adds with a wry smile. Oh and get rid of concord its useless, and allow super caps back in high-sec just to show those alphas what they are really missing. FSOP (Free Systems of Panorad)
Rain6637 NulzSec 34240	Posted - 2016.09.28 10:20:22 - [54] - Quote It's worth remembering that players will complain about two things at the same time: that EVE hasn't changed in the last decade that EVE better not waste dev time on new things Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 NulzSec 34241	Posted - 2016.09.28 10:33:32 - [55] - Quote f2p is about to remove a barrier to entry to a wider group of players. The problem with the lack of avatar gameplay in EVE becomes more pronounced as other games feature it. It wasn't as true before, circa 2011, but now it is a standard for a space game to feature avatar gameplay. It's a matter of modernization now. f2players will have some basic expectations that will not be met. I guess I just want to be fair after my comment about working for dried fish up thread. No one is innocent here. Monument shooters should have been banned, and the fanfest videos of players recalling their participation in the riots was disgusting to me. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 NulzSec 34243	Posted - 2016.09.28 11:09:58 - [56] - Quote Even if the official news is that yes WiS will happen, I wouldn't believe it unless I heard that a new team was being stood up for it. Shanghai maybe. Or any location in a major creative center like San Francisco, Austin, Atlanta, Los Angeles. Canada. There's a London thing happening but apparently it's staying small or something. Doesn't sound like a heavy development location. Location is important for the pool of experience and people from other companies and sectors, such as VFX or television or other games companies. 3D isn't a single / ubiquitous skill that everyone learns in school. What you learn in school are the basics and then you learn specific methods at different companies that you work for. The tools and methods you learn are so diverse it's almost worth changing companies and sectors on a regular basis just for the knowledge. It's like cross-pollinating oneself. You can also expect to learn only what's done at a particular company. So when you have a game like EVE where the assets haven't changed much, and something like avatar gameplay was started by White Wolf people and then hasn't been continued since, WiS isn't something they can just say or decide will happen. It's not a skillset that has been nurtured. So nevermind promises, they don't have the people to continue WiS anyway. I'm recently returned to school for 3D animation amd game design myself. This seems pretty weird for me to say these things knowing this is a small industry or something. Don't doxx me or something. I will say though, if CCP had a dev location anywhere in the US I would want to work there and start by scrubbing floors as an intern. I love this game, my ten subs as my proof, but as a future industry professional there are some glaring problems that make me think 'hell no.' Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Esrevid Nekkeg Justified and Ancient 2418	Posted - 2016.09.28 11:31:04 - [57] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: ... if CCP had a dev location anywhere in the US I would want to work there and start by scrubbing floors as an intern. ... They have an office in Atlanta. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 109	Posted - 2016.09.28 12:04:20 - [58] - Quote Esrevid Nekkeg wrote: Rain6637 wrote: ... if CCP had a dev location anywhere in the US I would want to work there and start by scrubbing floors as an intern. ... They have an office in Atlanta. Apperantly working on something PSVR related at the moment, likely ports of valkyrie/gunjack. Openings for some key senior positions and a concept artist. Sadly I don't see one for janitor.
Commissar Kate NulzSec 407453	Posted - 2016.09.28 12:26:59 - [59] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: It's worth remembering that players will complain about two things at the same time: that EVE hasn't changed in the last decade that EVE better not waste dev time on new things There is no truer statement about Eve players in my opinion than this. CCP are damned if they do and damned if they don't. -k8 My Fanclub
Rain6637 NulzSec 34244	Posted - 2016.09.28 12:33:01 - [60] - Quote I heard the Atlanta office is kept for tax purposes or something, but that rumor is years old. Something about the Georgia peach that was visible in the launcher or the client, I forget. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 NulzSec 34244	Posted - 2016.09.28 12:39:39 - [61] - Quote Doesn't that short list of highly technical openings strike you as a minimum effort to supplement the company? I suppose that's the list of openings that would reveal plans for WiS Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16714	Posted - 2016.09.28 13:12:32 - [62] - Quote Actually answering question in the title: they said they are going to expand this. Years ago. While they were adding the racial CQ variants. But they only expanded Nex store. Not mentioning closing the real one. All of this was only a crowd control from them. Even this part: Quote: Incarna For the same reasons, IncarnaGÇöthe real one with actual meaningful gameplay in itGÇö will be a big step towards the future. For an experience that relies so much on emergence and human interaction, itGÇÖs remarkable that itGÇÖs taken us this long to actually put a face on it. Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVEGÇÖs longevity. We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplayGÇöagain, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs. And this: Quote: All of those rooms were built using modular assets, so that the investment made in building the CaptainGÇÖs Quarters will be capitalized on further when more environments get built. They have given us the start of a library of modules, which can be used to flesh out racially themed interiors for all sorts of interesting gameplay. Oh and we made sure they have lots of lens flares, because as you know, the future is full of lens flares. Fly safe. Torfi Frans Taken from here. My commentary is now only that Torfi Frans is now god knows where doing something about CCP books about lore or something like that. So that is where this WiS thing went, in RP development. And rather RP chat box than actual gameplay with avatars. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14767	Posted - 2016.09.28 13:27:31 - [63] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Proof that the people who have spent years crying about WiS don't actually want it enough to make it happen. Notice this poster talking about people leaving if WiS doesn't happen....demonstrably not leaving even though WiS isn't happening....proving again that they really don't want WiS. The fact i don't wanna do the job other people are paid for don't prove that i don't want WiS. At least - in common sense. There is a saying in my country: Put your MONEY where your MOUTH is. If you aren't willing to do that, then you don't want what you say you want. Period. It is of course typical that people always have an opinion on what other people should be doing (rather than trying to do things themselves), but CCP is a company, if they aren't giving you what you want, stop giving them money. It's not a hard concept., except for fans of WiS it seems.
Serene Repose 3074	Posted - 2016.09.28 13:43:58 - [64] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Unless something changed, I was under the impression that PLEX only exists when actual real money has been spent. For everyone that grinds ISK to buy a PLEX, someone else has to pay CCP for the PLEX in actual dollars at some point. The seller has effectively paid for the buyer's sub for that account. Did CCP just start seeding tons of free PLEX in to the game and I never got the memo, or are you on about some kind of more abstract metric for cash earned per human player or something? I'd like to see that economic breakdown if you've got a link handy. sounds interesting. Try to follow what's being said. It's not that money isn't being injected it's who is doing the injecting. People who buy PLEX with ISK aren't injecting money into CCP's coffers. gesticulates wildly What we have here are folks who look at the spaceship game we know and love as EVE, then look at the little officer's quarters, who then make the leap, "Why not have this as a game TOO." I will not assume they're oblivious of the fact that's two games in one. I am certain the cost doesn't enter their minds. I am CURIOUS to know which of these grand thinkers of how to spend other people's money actually pay for their own play time, however....not to beat a horse that died five years ago. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16717	Posted - 2016.09.28 14:04:40 - [65] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Proof that the people who have spent years crying about WiS don't actually want it enough to make it happen. Notice this poster talking about people leaving if WiS doesn't happen....demonstrably not leaving even though WiS isn't happening....proving again that they really don't want WiS. The fact i don't wanna do the job other people are paid for don't prove that i don't want WiS. At least - in common sense. There is a saying in my country: Put your MONEY where your MOUTH is. If you aren't willing to do that, then you don't want what you say you want. Period. It is of course typical that people always have an opinion on what other people should be doing (rather than trying to do things themselves), but CCP is a company, if they aren't giving you what you want, stop giving them money. It's not a hard concept., except for fans of WiS it seems. I am not giving them money for 5 years already, I use PLEX. Somehow they cant do WiS. A lot of people stopped giving them money. See "numbers thread". These who left game for good are not vocal about that because they are gone. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16717	Posted - 2016.09.28 14:16:10 - [66] - Quote Actually why CCP is making EVE f2p is because those people who left and there may be a bit of EVE baccillus in them still, they could go back and push a bit of those numbers up while sitting in CQ chatting with everyone. But they will not spend a penny on it because its only worth so much for them to spend few minutes in CQ and talk to old friends. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
The Golden Serpent The Abrahadabra Institute 190	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:22:13 - [67] - Quote It will happen someday is my guess but the consumer technology baseline is not at a high enough level yet to justify such a project. (I mean most players probably don't own GFX cards above a 970)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16728	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:25:40 - [68] - Quote If it will happen it will be in completely other game (currently in development) and people will not have to buy new hardware to play it because it will happen many years ahead of today. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 45	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:29:28 - [69] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: I am not giving them money for 5 years already, I use PLEX. You are giving them money by buying PLEX. P-NXT is recruiting.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 323	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:38:09 - [70] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: The fact i don't wanna do the job other people are paid for don't prove that i don't want WiS. At least - in common sense. There is a saying in my country: Put your MONEY where your MOUTH is. If you aren't willing to do that, then you don't want what you say you want. Period. I pay subscription already. But you keep tellin' me to give more money for makin' EVE to be interesting for me. Nope. I already pay exactly for it and see no reason to pay any extra. Jenn aSide wrote: ...but CCP is a company, if they aren't giving you what you want, stop giving them money. Dat's what she said. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2366	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:46:11 - [71] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: I pay subscription already. But you keep tellin' me to give more money for makin' EVE to be interesting for me. Nope. I already pay exactly for it and see no reason to pay any extra. Your subscription fee entitles you to access to the server. That's all. It doesn't come packaged with a promise to cater to your every idiotic whim. Paying a finite amount of money for a specific good or service does not entitle you to anything more than was agreed. If you go to a restaurant and order an a la carte item, you don't get other items for free based on the fact that you "already paid". You certainly don't get to insist that they build a rooftop deck and install a stripper pole, either. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16728	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:53:12 - [72] - Quote Merchant Rova wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: I am not giving them money for 5 years already, I use PLEX. You are giving them money by buying PLEX. Rather the guys who buy PLEX from CCP give it to them. I am not buying it from CCP. I am using my income in game to finance the further playing. But quiting EVE or staying with it is not really the solution, either way. CCP just will not do it because reasons. This reason is it would be exactly why they got rid of EVE shop and went full **** with Nex store. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí** GÖÑ
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14771	Posted - 2016.09.28 18:02:34 - [73] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: I pay subscription already. But you keep tellin' me to give more money for makin' EVE to be interesting for me. Nope. I already pay exactly for it and see no reason to pay any extra. Your subscription fee entitles you to access to the server. That's all. It doesn't come packaged with a promise to cater to your every idiotic whim. Paying a finite amount of money for a specific good or service does not entitle you to anything more than was agreed. If you go to a restaurant and order an a la carte item, you don't get other items for free based on the fact that you "already paid". You certainly don't get to insist that they build a rooftop deck and install a stripper pole, either. Somehow this is impossible for some people to understand, yet we understand it easily and completely. Our subscription (whether cash or plex) gives us access to EVE, and that's all. Yet these people thinks it entitles them to more than that. It doesn't.
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 110	Posted - 2016.09.28 22:18:29 - [74] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: PopeUrban wrote: Unless something changed, I was under the impression that PLEX only exists when actual real money has been spent. For everyone that grinds ISK to buy a PLEX, someone else has to pay CCP for the PLEX in actual dollars at some point. The seller has effectively paid for the buyer's sub for that account. Did CCP just start seeding tons of free PLEX in to the game and I never got the memo, or are you on about some kind of more abstract metric for cash earned per human player or something? I'd like to see that economic breakdown if you've got a link handy. sounds interesting. Try to follow what's being said. It's not that money isn't being injected it's who is doing the injecting. People who buy PLEX with ISK aren't injecting money into CCP's coffers. gesticulates wildly What we have here are folks who look at the spaceship game we know and love as EVE, then look at the little officer's quarters, who then make the leap, "Why not have this as a game TOO." I will not assume they're oblivious of the fact that's two games in one. I am certain the cost doesn't enter their minds. I am CURIOUS to know which of these grand thinkers of how to spend other people's money actually pay for their own play time, however....not to beat a horse that died five years ago. That's kind of tangential to the point though. The fact that there is a market for selling PLEX is responsible for the vast majority of PLEX purchases. From CCP's perspective (and this is pretty much the prevailing understanding of the industry in terms on monetizing online games now) it doesn't really much matter how much the individual user kicks in. Or, to put it simply, it doesn't matter who is doing the injecting. The value of player opinions does not rest on whether they plex or pay for their account, specifically because either player contributes a similar financial footprint to EVE's bottom line. This logic is what gave birth to the industry's almost unanimous adoption of the free to play model, because your online game needs content, other players generate content, and players with more disposable are far more likely to throw more of it at you when your game is full of other players, in effect subsidizing them. The people to listen to are the ones contributing to your bottom line, either by being entrenched enough in the world to encourage others to spend money on your product, or by spending money themselves. Now, to your second point, yeah, people have unreasonable expectations of WIS given what CCP themselves have said on the subject. I think most of the people in this specific thread have a generally reasonable view of it. Everybody agrees that it would be cool, but most people with half a brain agree that it's not worth doing without significant gameplay attached, and that it seems highly unlikely to be any time soon given CCP's current plans for expanding capsuleer ownership of all portions of the existing space game. Some people will continue to whine that EVE isn't worth playing without WIS. CCP has shown pretty clearly they don't care about that user, because hey, why should they, they've decided to serve users that don't actually enjoy the core EVE experience by developing (or at least attempting to develop) a range of spinoff products. CCP does not care if people do not play EVE at this point because it lacks some half baked avatar features. They say "You wanna play an FPS, Okay, we'll go make that by simply copy/pasting the safe, formulaic decisions made by people that have spendt a lot more time trying and failing to do just that" It's not just the engineering. It's the design. CCP isn't willing to invest, at the current time, in what is bound to be a divisive and highly iterative ambulatory gameplay module for EVE because they don't know how the **** it would work. not because the art and basic engineering is expensive.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16773	Posted - 2016.09.28 23:14:53 - [75] - Quote I agree, but with one exception, because they have done research of how it would work. There was idea of two different areas of gameplay, social interactions joined with player establishemnts (with blackjack, games and prostitutes) and avatar exploration of sleeper structures. They had both things on different stages of development and research. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Rain6637 NulzSec 34245	Posted - 2016.09.29 03:40:13 - [76] - Quote Yo. PopeUrban, you can assume they believe in FPS in the EVE universe with DUST. I am going to say the reasons were almost purely technical, and Playstation 3 was much more viable than the EVE client. I'd say they made a pretty good bit of progress in how that game worked, wouldn't you? I agree that there is probably no time spent on players who leave because of a lack of avatar gameplay. Why would there be For me it's not so much a longing for WiS. I see it as a larger issue of keeping CCP based in Iceland as a matter of nationalism or such. Overall I think you are making two conflicting arguments. You say only the paying customers matter, and then you excuse EVE for the lack of avatar gameplay which would attract more paying players. Let's not jump through too many hoops here. It's not so much a willful decision to put off avatar gameplay. They couldn't do it if they wanted (in EVE). Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 112	Posted - 2016.09.29 03:58:20 - [77] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Yo. PopeUrban, you can assume they believe in FPS in the EVE universe with DUST. I am going to say the reasons were almost purely technical, and Playstation 3 was much more viable than the EVE client. I'd say they made a pretty good bit of progress in how that game worked, wouldn't you? I agree that there is probably no time spent on players who leave because of a lack of avatar gameplay. Why would there be For me it's not so much a longing for WiS. I see it as a larger issue of keeping CCP based in Iceland as a matter of nationalism or such. Overall I think you are making two conflicting arguments. You say only the paying customers matter, and then you excuse EVE for the lack of avatar gameplay which would attract more paying players. Let's not jump through too many hoops here. It's not so much a willful decision to put off avatar gameplay. They couldn't do it if they wanted (in EVE). The entire "avatar gameplay would attract more players" rationale is something I hear a lot. The problem is that, given CCP's own statements regarding goals for that gameplay, it really wouldn't retain the people that come specifically for that element. Avatar based play, if we ever see it in EVE, is not going to be developed to the complexity level of the rest of EVE. It's going to be a one off system meant to supplement, not replace the normal gameplay loop of EVE, and that normal gameplay loop means spending a lot of time in spaceships, training spaceship skills, losing spaceships, and so on. While it's possible that investing EXTREMELY HEAVILY in to avatar play might achieve that goal, what I'm saying is that CCP has most certainly not shown a willingness to do so. Wanna be a turret gunner? Go play another CCP game. Wanna be a fighter pilot? Go play another CCP game. Wanna play a first person shooter? Go play another CCP game. Unless CCP is prepared to abandon its efforts to expand in to other sectors of the market, it would make very little sense for them to attempt an undertaking like what something like star citizen is trying to do, with being able to get out, walk around inside everything, etc. etc. If there's ever Avatar play, it's going to have the same impact on EVE as Odyssey's hacking revamp. It's going to be a small part of the overall larger system. Going much further than that in terms of scope would just be CCP shooting themselves in the foot. The dream is a good one: Get out of your ship! board other vessels! Steal from that citadel! Drop from orbit and blow up that guy's PI farm! However its just not a functional reality. CCP abandoned not only the idea of a fully integrated, single game, but the idea of integrating their SEPARATE games a while back because it constrains the desgin space. DUST was an actively worse game because of its EVE integration. Gunjack wouldn't even work with any kind of EVE integration, ditto for valkyrie. WIS may come at some point down the line, but its not going to look like what people want out of it, and it's not going to happen before "the vision" of the supporting parts of the overall sandbox (player structures, module tiericide, Completely player owned space with player owned concords and player owned whatever else) are complete, and that vision is massive already.
Rain6637 NulzSec 34245	Posted - 2016.09.29 05:15:32 - [78] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: The entire "avatar gameplay would attract more players" rationale is something I hear a lot. The problem is that, given CCP's own statements regarding goals for that gameplay, it really wouldn't retain the people that come specifically for that element. Avatar based play, if we ever see it in EVE, is not going to be developed to the complexity level of the rest of EVE. It's going to be a one off system meant to supplement, not replace the normal gameplay loop of EVE, and that normal gameplay loop means spending a lot of time in spaceships, training spaceship skills, losing spaceships, and so on. While it's possible that investing EXTREMELY HEAVILY in to avatar play might achieve that goal, what I'm saying is that CCP has most certainly not shown a willingness to do so. Wanna be a turret gunner? Go play another CCP game. Wanna be a fighter pilot? Go play another CCP game. Wanna play a first person shooter? Go play another CCP game. Unless CCP is prepared to abandon its efforts to expand in to other sectors of the market, it would make very little sense for them to attempt an undertaking like what something like star citizen is trying to do, with being able to get out, walk around inside everything, etc. etc. If there's ever Avatar play, it's going to have the same impact on EVE as Odyssey's hacking revamp. It's going to be a small part of the overall larger system. Going much further than that in terms of scope would just be CCP shooting themselves in the foot. The dream is a good one: Get out of your ship! board other vessels! Steal from that citadel! Drop from orbit and blow up that guy's PI farm! However its just not a functional reality. CCP abandoned not only the idea of a fully integrated, single game, but the idea of integrating their SEPARATE games a while back because it constrains the desgin space. DUST was an actively worse game because of its EVE integration. Gunjack wouldn't even work with any kind of EVE integration, ditto for valkyrie. WIS may come at some point down the line, but its not going to look like what people want out of it, and it's not going to happen before "the vision" of the supporting parts of the overall sandbox (player structures, module tiericide, Completely player owned space with player owned concords and player owned whatever else) are complete, and that vision is massive already. Well now I agree with you on this. I had more time to think about it over dinner, and for some reason right now WiS doesn't seem so important to have. Considering the cost and benefit. Such as the graphics engine problems (if you can call it one). Maybe these schisms are the most appropriate after all, where different experiences within the EVE universe are on different platforms. The problem is we might know this, but newer players won't. I guess what I'm wondering now is What happened to Legion? Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16779	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:40:21 - [79] - Quote Old engine. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18349	Posted - 2016.09.29 08:40:53 - [80] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: What happened to Legion? they dropped the copyright for "legion" for obvious reasons but kept the project going last i herd. last article i read from someone who didn't work for ccp was to the effect that they have a functioning(but generic) arena shooter as working draught to hammer out fps mechanics. i wouldnt worry too much about the silence as they have a **** tonn of work just to get that smoothed out and workable before even thinking about the bigger picture. no amount of depth, scope or eve integration can hide a garbage fps, no amount at all so imho im delighted to have heard that this is the development approach they are taking. i like my fps's and if it dose not play well in the basics im just not going to play it .<-------emphasis on the period if they can find an interesting way to get it to feel like a real part of new eden then fantastic , but building a good tecnical fps takes time and theyre better off doing this right. Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agants =]\|[=
Arkoth 24 Phayder 325	Posted - 2016.09.29 11:04:09 - [81] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: I pay subscription already. But you keep tellin' me to give more money for makin' EVE to be interesting for me. Nope. I already pay exactly for it and see no reason to pay any extra. Your subscription fee entitles you to access to the server. That's all. It doesn't come packaged with a promise to cater to your every idiotic whim. Paying a finite amount of money for a specific good or service does not entitle you to anything more than was agreed. If you go to a restaurant and order an a la carte item, you don't get other items for free based on the fact that you "already paid". You certainly don't get to insist that they build a rooftop deck and install a stripper pole, either. Somehow this is impossible for some people to understand, yet we understand it easily and completely. Our subscription (whether cash or plex) gives us access to EVE, and that's all. Yet these people thinks it entitles them to more than that. It doesn't. (sigh) This is hopeless. Ya keep tellin' me what ya think i do. And i'm tired to tell ya that i don't. I don't come to CCP and say "Gimme every crap i say - i pay ya for dat!" I pay exactly to get what CCP offers to me. But no company just bring customers something and say "Eat dat or get lost!" Making service to be interesting for customers is a goal for every company. That's what CCP does when it announces new features like not-so-really-F2P - they try to attract more customers. And there's no reason for me to pay any extra cash for it - it's just a part of their everyday job. But ya just stuck with your "PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT, BASTARD!" What's wrong with ya, anyway? Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14782	Posted - 2016.09.29 14:52:47 - [82] - Quote I understand english isn't your 1st language, however you have chosen to post on an english speaking board. So i'll make this real simple: YOU say you want WiS. It has been pointed out that CCP has repeatedly said they aren't doing WiS, and you don't like this. It has been suggested that if you want WiS, you and people like you could help make that happen by starting a campaign to pay for it. You say that isn't your "job". Saying it is not your job to take action to get something you want is the exact same as saying "I didn't really want that even though I said i did". Thus the old saying "put your money where your mouth is".
Trevize Demerzel 16	Posted - 2016.09.29 15:29:31 - [83] - Quote It would be nice to be able to walk around and shoot the people in our SOV stations that don't belong there and refuse to undock :-) -
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3506	Posted - 2016.09.29 15:31:42 - [84] - Quote Trevize Demerzel wrote: It would be nice to be able to walk around and shoot the people in our SOV stations that don't belong there and refuse to undock :-) what if they are in cq with the door locked? what would you do then? Loyalist to Angel Cartel Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
Trevize Demerzel 16	Posted - 2016.09.29 15:41:39 - [85] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Trevize Demerzel wrote: It would be nice to be able to walk around and shoot the people in our SOV stations that don't belong there and refuse to undock :-) what if they are in cq with the door locked? what would you do then? My comment is 99% joking. That said... I'd blow up the door and get em! -
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18355	Posted - 2016.09.29 15:41:39 - [86] - Quote id just sen orla in to stare at people, if that dosnt get them undocking nothing will Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agants =]\|[=
Orla- King-Griffin 204	Posted - 2016.09.29 15:42:47 - [87] - Quote i resent that! Ah shite...
Arkoth 24 Phayder 325	Posted - 2016.09.29 23:15:30 - [88] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: I understand english isn't your 1st language, however you have chosen to post on an english speaking board. So i'll make this real simple: YOU say you want WiS. It has been pointed out that CCP has repeatedly said they aren't doing WiS, and you don't like this. It has been suggested that if you want WiS, you and people like you could help make that happen by starting a campaign to pay for it. You say that isn't your "job". Saying it is not your job to take action to get something you want is the exact same as saying "I didn't really want that even though I said i did". Thus the old saying "put your money where your mouth is". It looks like my English sucks so badly that ya don't even read mah posts. And i don't really want to repeat the same things in the third time for ya. This conversation lost it's weight years ago anyway. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Rain6637 NulzSec 34245	Posted - 2016.09.30 06:42:06 - [89] - Quote u no how I no EVE is dying the latest WiS thread is only 5 pages deep after as many days Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Arkoth 24 Phayder 327	Posted - 2016.09.30 07:12:22 - [90] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: u no how I no EVE is dying the latest WiS thread is only 5 pages deep after as many days Yeah, back in time we had 20+ pages in just few dayz. Let's hope all of dese F2P chums who'll come in November will halp uz make great WiS tredz every week and whine constantly. We just need to tell 'em dat CCP promised dat stuff long time ago and needs their donations to make it happen. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Rain6637 NulzSec 34248	Posted - 2016.09.30 07:49:32 - [91] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Rain6637 wrote: u no how I no EVE is dying the latest WiS thread is only 5 pages deep after as many days Yeah, back in time we had 20+ pages in just few dayz. Let's hope all of dese F2P chums who'll come in November will halp uz make great WiS tredz every week and whine constantly. We just need to tell 'em dat CCP promised dat stuff long time ago and needs their donations to make it happen. u no we should typ lik dis to get ready 4 all the new ppl who like f2p games Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18369	Posted - 2016.09.30 09:18:01 - [92] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Rain6637 wrote: u no how I no EVE is dying the latest WiS thread is only 5 pages deep after as many days Yeah, back in time we had 20+ pages in just few dayz. Let's hope all of dese F2P chums who'll come in November will halp uz make great WiS tredz every week and whine constantly. We just need to tell 'em dat CCP promised dat stuff long time ago and needs their donations to make it happen. u no we should typ lik dis to get ready 4 all the new ppl who like f2p games hahaha, dont be ridiculous , everyone knows thay cant read Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agants =]\|[=
Arkoth 24 Phayder 329	Posted - 2016.09.30 09:46:41 - [93] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Rain6637 wrote: u no how I no EVE is dying the latest WiS thread is only 5 pages deep after as many days Yeah, back in time we had 20+ pages in just few dayz. Let's hope all of dese F2P chums who'll come in November will halp uz make great WiS tredz every week and whine constantly. We just need to tell 'em dat CCP promised dat stuff long time ago and needs their donations to make it happen. u no we should typ lik dis to get ready 4 all the new ppl who like f2p games '/34\|-\| 1372 5\|-\|0\/\/ \|)!2 \|\\|3\/\/ \|/,!\|)2 \/\/\|-\|02 \|)4 80022 Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 240	Posted - 2016.09.30 10:34:16 - [94] - Quote I don't even need 'game play' or 'interactions' with other pilots. I just want a space doll house with loads of stuff to decorate the room and clothing XD Toobo is a lucky talisman - use Toobo's referral for IWI and you too can be lucky. ;) Toobo's Loopadelic Give-Away!
Artorius Noir Loyalty and Royalty Inc. 6	Posted - 2016.09.30 10:36:49 - [95] - Quote Say yes to the ... monocle?
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16834	Posted - 2016.09.30 10:53:10 - [96] - Quote Toobo wrote: I don't even need 'game play' or 'interactions' with other pilots. I just want a space doll house with loads of stuff to decorate the room and clothing XD I know this feeling. When I was teenager I made a room in a bedside cabinet for a doll belonging to my younger sister, and it consisted of micro furniture with bed, kitchen appliances, chairs and table. There were even small plates and glasses from some small doll set. It was a cute little room. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Rocker Will Rockstar federation 37	Posted - 2016.09.30 11:26:40 - [97] - Quote I actually like the captains quarters, and cant wait for them to bring in WIS i also think all the recent vr games are just test projects and ideas for the eventual future of eve, to see how it will all works together would be nice to sit in station, play mini games and watch all the ships come and go, but if all were going to get is mini, games then its hardly a priority I'm quite happy with the captains quarters for now. now if the walkin content included boarding, derelict space stations where IE you hacked the station then boarded and brought parts of it back to life this would make for some interesting content, or something along the lines. I'm Batman
Rocker Will Rockstar federation 37	Posted - 2016.09.30 11:44:12 - [98] - Quote In addition to my last comment, id much rather they made some audio and video content for the missions and Agents, instead of WIS I'm Batman
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 16929	Posted - 2016.09.30 14:45:24 - [99] - Quote Audio and video content for agents would be good the first time you do them. Then it would be only a time hog in ISK/hr ratio. But I am all for cinematics in SCOPE news and lore correct adverts in Billboards and CQ screens. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Verlyn Teutate raiders DARKNESS. 67	Posted - 2016.09.30 16:25:20 - [100] - Quote Oups
Verlyn Teutate raiders DARKNESS. 67	Posted - 2016.09.30 16:26:05 - [101] - Quote 1000x NO Either use your ******* imagination or GO OUTSIDE.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 48	Posted - 2016.09.30 16:31:55 - [102] - Quote Verlyn wrote: 1000x NO Either use your ******* imagination or GO OUTSIDE. Hello there my dear komred, you seem upset over something? Have you tried drinking a cup of hot tea? I think its pretty calming. Just keep in mind that there are other people who enjoy the game differently than you, and just because you may not enjoy the game their way, does not mean they're idiots. P-NXT is recruiting.
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1533	Posted - 2016.09.30 16:58:31 - [103] - Quote :TRIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD: Summer of Rage(tm) I was there. no ty. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2557	Posted - 2016.09.30 20:30:14 - [104] - Quote Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS So I am one of those players that believe WiS would dramatically increase the player base. That said I don't ever expect to see it. The brief glimmer of hope and the sad panda captains jail was the result of a badly attempted plan to build a vampire game based on a technology demo created by nVida. There was NO WAY that technology could ever scale to allow anything more that the single character instance MMO that is the Captain's Jail cell, There was never a real time multi player demo shown of the vampire game. But CCP bet the farm on that technology. Sad waste of time, money and resources. Unless some serious competitor that threatened the existence of Eve featuring WiS appears WiS will remain just a sure way to start giant threads on the forums when it gets boring around here. If you really look at the basic premise of Eve, you in space as a ship is the primary way your "character" would be experiencing existence anyways. So you could make the case CCP is delivering most of your experience as your virtual "space self" already. You are just plugged into a goo filled pod and you have become your ship. If you aren't just sitting in the station spinning your ship, which isn't what I believe the first developers of Eve expected being a ship in space would be the primary experience.
Wachutu Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2016.10.02 07:49:15 - [105] - Quote CCP ever talking **** make walk in station , building stargates and this and this but Fair words butter no parsnips... JUST CCP
Kaivarian Coste Beyond Imports and Exports 86	Posted - 2016.10.02 11:51:52 - [106] - Quote WiS wasn't a failure. It was just bad timing that it coincided with monocle-gate and gold ammo. :(
Flamespar warravens Imperium Eden 1353	Posted - 2016.10.03 08:07:12 - [107] - Quote We probably wont see anything new with WiS unfortunately. It's a same because personally I was looking forward to seeing the universe of New Eden from a new angle. Even with other space games like Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen which both promise to eventually have on foot game play and will probably deliver that promise (in some form), I think EVE would easily have the competitive advantage if it did so too as the EVE universe and art style is far more interesting, and I say this as an avid Elite Dangerous player. Shame about Dust514, maybe the new FPS in development will scratch that first person perspective in EVE itch. I spose once the current roadmap (eventually) reaches its conclusion, then perhaps there will be potential to expand it to include WiS. EVE Chronicle: An audio drama set in the EVE universe http://evechronicle.blogspot.com.au/ https://twitter.com/Flamespar
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14800	Posted - 2016.10.03 12:48:54 - [108] - Quote If people need spaceships and walking around, why are they not playing Star Trek Online? I still laugh when I think of the WiS types proclaiming "STO is going to have Avatar Gameplay!, CCP better add WiS quick or STO will kill EVE!". I (naively) thought that once STO was out and EVE didn't die the question would be settled. I was young(er) and stupid in 2011 lol.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 17491	Posted - 2016.10.03 14:49:00 - [109] - Quote WIS is not a holy grail for any game. Walking around doesnt rescue STO from being a world where your choices doesnt matter. EVE already have choices and consequences, now we only need WIS to fully experience what STO had never touched. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 117	Posted - 2016.10.03 17:41:40 - [110] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: If people need spaceships and walking around, why are they not playing Star Trek Online? I still laugh when I think of the WiS types proclaiming "STO is going to have Avatar Gameplay!, CCP better add WiS quick or STO will kill EVE!". I (naively) thought that once STO was out and EVE didn't die the question would be settled. I was young(er) and stupid in 2011 lol. To be fair, STO is an overall ** show and always has been. The space combat is pretty cool with the four quadrant shields and such, but the ground combat is pretty dang ill considered. it's like they took the city of heroes engine and went "hey, what if everybody was a mastermind and also we made the controls and powers worse?" The cool parts were the officer and crew card systems. That design was actually really neat, despite having nothing at all to do with the main moment to moment gameplay. Getting a crew of RNG card-people that you could send on missions and do industry with added this satisfying micromanagement that felt appropriate for hthe starship captain theme. The officers were also a neat system, like modules with semi-RNG stats that you could level through experience. Then they basically watered it down with a hefty helping of linear quest grind and pay to win cash shop ships and crew, which removed any appeal from what few redeeming qualities the game had. I'd support EVE getting something like that crew system though. Maybe for player stations in a new player owned galaxy or something? Like asymmetric NPC warfare SOV for a new area of space where capsuleers can basically build their own navies and set policies, and with other people's little NPC sovlings for ISK in stead of ratting. Ignoring most of the game just to focus on that system gave it this neat sort of roguelike feel, specializing your crew to be good at torture, or piracy, or ***** botany, or whatever you wanted to do, and getting to trade staff with other people to chase but never quite catch that super efficient group of 50 to a hundred staffers. You'd probably need a LOT of new space to support a system like that and still have it be accessible, or have a small guy version of the system like some kinda way to staff your extra ships with non-capsuleer crew to make mini-fleets to fight other people's mini-fleets or something. And then you could give them deplorable nicknames and send them on suicide missions under the guise of scientific research or something.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 53	Posted - 2016.10.03 17:45:06 - [111] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: If people need spaceships and walking around, why are they not playing Star Trek Online? I still laugh when I think of the WiS types proclaiming "STO is going to have Avatar Gameplay!, CCP better add WiS quick or STO will kill EVE!". I (naively) thought that once STO was out and EVE didn't die the question would be settled. I was young(er) and stupid in 2011 lol. To be fair, STO is an overall ** show and always has been. The space combat is pretty cool with the four quadrant shields and such, but the ground combat is pretty dang ill considered. it's like they took the city of heroes engine and went "hey, what if everybody was a mastermind and also we made the controls and powers worse?" The cool parts were the officer and crew card systems. That design was actually really neat, despite having nothing at all to do with the main moment to moment gameplay. Getting a crew of RNG card-people that you could send on missions and do industry with added this satisfying micromanagement that felt appropriate for hthe starship captain theme. The officers were also a neat system, like modules with semi-RNG stats that you could level through experience. Then they basically watered it down with a hefty helping of linear quest grind and pay to win cash shop ships and crew, which removed any appeal from what few redeeming qualities the game had. I'd support EVE getting something like that crew system though. Maybe for player stations in a new player owned galaxy or something? Like asymmetric NPC warfare SOV for a new area of space where capsuleers can basically build their own navies and set policies, and with other people's little NPC sovlings for ISK in stead of ratting. Ignoring most of the game just to focus on that system gave it this neat sort of roguelike feel, specializing your crew to be good at torture, or piracy, or ***** botany, or whatever you wanted to do, and getting to trade staff with other people to chase but never quite catch that super efficient group of 50 to a hundred staffers. You'd probably need a LOT of new space to support a system like that and still have it be accessible, or have a small guy version of the system like some kinda way to staff your extra ships with non-capsuleer crew to make mini-fleets to fight other people's mini-fleets or something. And then you could give them deplorable nicknames and send them on suicide missions under the guise of scientific research or something. Thats way to far out there. Really all we want is WiS expanded so we can do more, have more space and interact with other characters. "The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." -Arlette Villers
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 117	Posted - 2016.10.03 23:22:41 - [112] - Quote Merchant Rova wrote: PopeUrban wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: If people need spaceships and walking around, why are they not playing Star Trek Online? I still laugh when I think of the WiS types proclaiming "STO is going to have Avatar Gameplay!, CCP better add WiS quick or STO will kill EVE!". I (naively) thought that once STO was out and EVE didn't die the question would be settled. I was young(er) and stupid in 2011 lol. To be fair, STO is an overall ** show and always has been. The space combat is pretty cool with the four quadrant shields and such, but the ground combat is pretty dang ill considered. it's like they took the city of heroes engine and went "hey, what if everybody was a mastermind and also we made the controls and powers worse?" The cool parts were the officer and crew card systems. That design was actually really neat, despite having nothing at all to do with the main moment to moment gameplay. Getting a crew of RNG card-people that you could send on missions and do industry with added this satisfying micromanagement that felt appropriate for hthe starship captain theme. The officers were also a neat system, like modules with semi-RNG stats that you could level through experience. Then they basically watered it down with a hefty helping of linear quest grind and pay to win cash shop ships and crew, which removed any appeal from what few redeeming qualities the game had. I'd support EVE getting something like that crew system though. Maybe for player stations in a new player owned galaxy or something? Like asymmetric NPC warfare SOV for a new area of space where capsuleers can basically build their own navies and set policies, and with other people's little NPC sovlings for ISK in stead of ratting. Ignoring most of the game just to focus on that system gave it this neat sort of roguelike feel, specializing your crew to be good at torture, or piracy, or ***** botany, or whatever you wanted to do, and getting to trade staff with other people to chase but never quite catch that super efficient group of 50 to a hundred staffers. You'd probably need a LOT of new space to support a system like that and still have it be accessible, or have a small guy version of the system like some kinda way to staff your extra ships with non-capsuleer crew to make mini-fleets to fight other people's mini-fleets or something. And then you could give them deplorable nicknames and send them on suicide missions under the guise of scientific research or something. Thats way to far out there. Really all we want is WiS expanded so we can do more, have more space and interact with other characters. It ain't that far out there. We already know that player buildable gates are in the current actual plans for the game. I seriously doubt they're just going to add gates without a corresponding massive increase in available space to put them. There are realistically only two places where they could, wormholes, and Jove space. Wormholes are out because you can't just permanently break WH space, and Jove space is out because its simply too dang small to support the gold rush. Keep in mind that system is largely numbers and text strings, stuff that is far less art intensive than any kind of meaningful WiS content. And, I mean, if this new space is just literally empty systems with the ability to build structures it's kind of just a more pain in the ass version of null. My basic assumption is that the ability to build stargates goes hand in hand with some form of player subsidized NPC navy. It's really the only thing the existing null mechanics couldn't offer without breaking the game utterly. And lets be clear. Being able to walk around inside a station and /dance is not content. It's window dressing that is a complete waste of time and effort without corresponding gameplay. Anyone asking for WiS that is simply cosmetic hasn't been paying attention to literally everything CCP has ever said about WiS. Specifically, that its not something they're prepared to do until they can deliver it with a substantial gameplay impact to justify the massive effort that implementation would take.
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 117	Posted - 2016.10.03 23:27:10 - [113] - Quote woops double post
Butcher Ruetz INomad Industries Legio De Mortem 1	Posted - 2016.10.04 18:19:54 - [114] - Quote sounds like there is nothing happening anytime soon with this area of eve but while i am here i am going to give my opinion and the opinion of another eve player i live with. he never even knew of captains quarters until i showed him its...OK. why? the interaction is very limited. when CCP actually decides to put time into this the bare minimum should be an area in stations/citadels where capsuleers can congregate and show off their avatar in a bar or pub like setting. some other things that can be added that would immensely improve this experience is an arcade game either eve based or a pacman or pinball or something similar. add in a pool table where we can challenge each other or even put some of these in HS stations. This would be a great way to show of your avatar and maybe a bigger incentive to spend more isk on avatar clothing if the avatar is actually used and interacted with.
Tavin Aikisen Phoenix Naval Operations Phoenix Naval Systems 412	Posted - 2016.10.04 22:00:55 - [115] - Quote Take your pick: a) Gameplay trumps any context/lore/reason/etc. b) only if it's VR c) no because internet spaceships d) go play something else Originally, when it was about creating the ultimate sci-fi world, there were plenty of prototype videos and screenshots of what was in store. But then a very loud group of players, and some terrible management decisions, decided it was better to let the game go stale to the point where it's now "worth" giving it away for free. "Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home." -Cold Wind
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3440	Posted - 2016.10.05 20:28:44 - [116] - Quote I wonder if Second Life has regular threads starting up on their forums about how their devs need to implement a single shard PvP spaceship sandbox? Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
Jian Mira Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2016.10.05 21:46:47 - [117] - Quote Yes i would like this feature so you can see finally what is behind that door but i don't think this is ever going to happen anytime soon... I don't think they have the time or server power to develop this feature in Eve also the Engine which runs eve may also not support WIS... I think you will find that CQ in the end will be removed from EVE.
Conrad Makbure Trident Expedition 101	Posted - 2016.10.06 02:08:09 - [118] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: If people need spaceships and walking around, why are they not playing Star Trek Online? I still laugh when I think of the WiS types proclaiming "STO is going to have Avatar Gameplay!, CCP better add WiS quick or STO will kill EVE!". I (naively) thought that once STO was out and EVE didn't die the question would be settled. I was young(er) and stupid in 2011 lol. To be fair, STO is an overall ** show and always has been. The space combat is pretty cool with the four quadrant shields and such, but the ground combat is pretty dang ill considered. it's like they took the city of heroes engine and went "hey, what if everybody was a mastermind and also we made the controls and powers worse?" The cool parts were the officer and crew card systems. That design was actually really neat, despite having nothing at all to do with the main moment to moment gameplay. Getting a crew of RNG card-people that you could send on missions and do industry with added this satisfying micromanagement that felt appropriate for hthe starship captain theme. The officers were also a neat system, like modules with semi-RNG stats that you could level through experience. Then they basically watered it down with a hefty helping of linear quest grind and pay to win cash shop ships and crew, which removed any appeal from what few redeeming qualities the game had. I'd support EVE getting something like that crew system though. Maybe for player stations in a new player owned galaxy or something? Like asymmetric NPC warfare SOV for a new area of space where capsuleers can basically build their own navies and set policies, and with other people's little NPC sovlings for ISK in stead of ratting. Ignoring most of the game just to focus on that system gave it this neat sort of roguelike feel, specializing your crew to be good at torture, or piracy, or ***** botany, or whatever you wanted to do, and getting to trade staff with other people to chase but never quite catch that super efficient group of 50 to a hundred staffers. You'd probably need a LOT of new space to support a system like that and still have it be accessible, or have a small guy version of the system like some kinda way to staff your extra ships with non-capsuleer crew to make mini-fleets to fight other people's mini-fleets or something. And then you could give them deplorable nicknames and send them on suicide missions under the guise of scientific research or something. The STO duty officer system is one of the few good things about that game. It's what CCP should have done with Teams, but instead trashed the idea. CCP should revisit Teams to make it more like duty officers; they could tie the missions to EVE lore perhaps? It was a good game system, not too demanding on resources.
Tavin Aikisen Phoenix Naval Operations Phoenix Naval Systems 412	Posted - 2016.10.06 08:13:49 - [119] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I wonder if Second Life has regular threads starting up on their forums about how their devs need to implement a single shard PvP spaceship sandbox? Was Second Life's original goal to create the biggest sci-fi universe that allows you to do anything you can imagine? If so then maybe it'd be appropriate. People are asking for something that CCP themselves aimed for, were prepared to implement, but then executed so poorly and in the worst way possible to the point where so many fans lost confidence in their ability to do so. "Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home." -Cold Wind
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 17605	Posted - 2016.10.06 08:42:22 - [120] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I wonder if Second Life has regular threads starting up on their forums about how their devs need to implement a single shard PvP spaceship sandbox? Ironically, looks like they dont have to. Spacebox is so wide as to make it capable of flying in spaceships. Well, kind of. Seems like Second life already have enough spaceships for that community. Example. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Arkoth 24 Phayder 343	Posted - 2016.10.06 08:45:52 - [121] - Quote Conrad Makbure wrote: The STO duty officer system is one of the few good things about that game. It's what CCP should have done with Teams, but instead trashed the idea. CCP should revisit Teams to make it more like duty officers; they could tie the missions to EVE lore perhaps? It was a good game system, not too demanding on resources. While ships have crews, it would be good to see 'em as a part of actual mechanics: moving crews from ship to ship, training 'em for some bonuses, and loosing 'em on ship destruction. Just like some kind of "removable rigs", but it will bring "more life" into Cluster. Not 'bout WiS, but another good idea. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| New Eden Crew Guidelines
Rawthorm D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two 119	Posted - 2016.10.06 09:13:33 - [122] - Quote Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS It would be cool, but it will never happen. Why? Because a vocal minority of the player base threw their toys out of the pram last time WiS was worked on, so CCP probably has ZERO incentive to work on it further. The only way I see this changing is if Alpha's bring in a huge surge of players who want to stay. All of these new players are going to ask the same question and if they collectively and very vocally outweigh the bitter oldies who torpedoed WiS the first time round then CCP might just revive the idea.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 286	Posted - 2016.10.06 09:45:14 - [123] - Quote WIS could be interesting if it conformed to the lore I've read regarding the stratified society where ordinary people have very mixed feelings about "Eggers"
DJ puar Covert Economics Mordus Angels 1	Posted - 2016.10.06 10:15:24 - [124] - Quote That will not happen
Arkoth 24 Phayder 344	Posted - 2016.10.06 12:27:31 - [125] - Quote DJ puar wrote: That will not happen We heard the same 'bout F2P. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| New Eden Crew Guidelines
Aidiean Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.10.06 17:53:56 - [126] - Quote Personally I would love to see WIS..
hipotecadoydesgraciado Cog Banking 8	Posted - 2016.10.08 21:44:27 - [127] - Quote You can wait to SCAM CITIZEN to see some "walk in stations"..
Sol epoch HELVEGEN 344	Posted - 2016.10.08 22:01:00 - [128] - Quote hipotecadoydesgraciado wrote: You can wait to SCAM CITIZEN to see some "walk in stations".. Just dumb quote why don't you!
Gou Litvyak Random inactiva corporation 2	Posted - 2016.10.08 22:59:26 - [129] - Quote Next year there will be a lot of hype and such, the door in your quarters will finally open, a grand opening! Behind it? What else, a Walk in New Eden Store! Browse through and try on clothes before buying them, at the cashier you can pay with your irl credit card even. Thatd be a wonderful day, im not sure an official apology letter from CCP could make up for that.
Mark O'Helm Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt 244	Posted - 2016.10.09 01:17:11 - [130] - Quote Kyoko Sakoda wrote: No gameplay = no reason. Nana Skalski wrote: With appropriate emotes and dance animations. And interactiive bed for two or more. ^^^ Gameplay Plus. A casino with blackjack, poker, roulette and more An in Station Market with reduced tax. "Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single) "Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 360	Posted - 2016.10.20 10:02:48 - [131] - Quote the players said no, so they stopped. the players said they want more destruction so we have all of the destruction elements they advertised for "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Rain6637 NulzSec 34292	Posted - 2016.10.20 10:19:14 - [132] - Quote There's a new Aura 2.0 that is supposedly going to revitalize the newbie experience. Her avatar isn't animated, it's just a still thumbnail or such. Not even a sprite. So if you're looking for signs of improvement in the avatar area, oh hey look hats! did you see the new hats Dude, Agondray you need to get yourself a chin. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Maneila Bekas Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.10.26 13:30:34 - [133] - Quote At least give us a CASINO in the Station where we can pay 10isk for a Tequilla, get drunk (-90% to Tracking and Inertia) and gamble our Billions while rolling the Dice against other Players :D Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away... "CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."* *A BRAVE HERO
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5804	Posted - 2016.10.27 01:31:03 - [134] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Malcanis wrote: After 5 years and 3 executive producers in a row confirming that there are no plans to work on WiS it might, just maybe be time to accept that it's not going to happen. And there are still a lot of people who want it. If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving. My reply to this line of argument remains the same as it was a year ago. Wait, it's two years now. Heh. Anyway: If you really believe that there's such a huge untapped demand for WiS from people who will pay money for it, create a kickstarter. Let's see how much actual cold, hard cash people are willing to front up in order to pay CCP (or invest in a partnership with CCP) to make it happen. I'll kick in -ú10 if you do, maybe more if you can agree some enticing stretch goals with CCP. I've always quite liked the WiS idea and if it was done properly it could have a lot of potential. Eh eh I know of a guy who created such kickstarter. A spaceships game meant to also come with first person gameplay included. With stations, relicts, exploration planets... Now, a couple years later, he raised $100M (December 2015) and still growing and that game has several playable portions. So... yes. There's some vague, mild demand for such kind of space-sim game... EvE Online portal \| EvE markets tutorials
Lathael Liga der aussergewoehnlichen Tattergreise Evictus. 41	Posted - 2016.10.29 06:26:09 - [135] - Quote I really don't know why CCP is not expanding WiS. From an economic view it seems to be a good thing. They can introduce goods in the store like throphies, skins for your rooms et cetera. Clothes would be more appealing if you can show off in a bar or go on a dance floor. And all that extra money is generated with goods that effects EVE Online gameplay not in a bad way in my eyes. CCP states in the EVE Online experience video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQciMy_Pr0Q) that the game is about people, so why do not give them a proper home? ;)
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 18546	Posted - 2016.10.29 09:49:35 - [136] - Quote Lathael wrote: I really don't know why CCP is not expanding WiS. They fired nearly all the guys who worked on this stuff ages ago. They would need to hire some people back to work on it. But they would rather invest in other (VR) games. We dont know if Nova is still in development because no news. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
MidnightWyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 343	Posted - 2016.10.29 16:56:12 - [137] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Lathael wrote: I really don't know why CCP is not expanding WiS. They fired nearly all the guys who worked on this stuff ages ago. They would need to hire some people back to work on it. But they would rather invest in other (VR) games. We dont know if Nova is still in development because no news. We do know, because CCP LogicLoop frequently hops on the Dust 514 Veterans Discord to talk to us about it, and the former Council of Planetary Management members are still under their NDA and have been very positive about what CCP is showing them of development as a result. Even CCP Rattati (effectively the Lead Game Designer) dropped in at one point to ensure us the project had cleared all current hurdles and was proceeding smoothly. Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS! Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
InterStellar Architect InterStellar Architects Corporation 21	Posted - 2016.10.30 00:42:55 - [138] - Quote I think WiS would be good and adds another dimension to the game. For example, now gambling sites are no longer allowed, CCP can take over gambling / lotteries by having Gambling Rooms in walk in station. Also some other mini games. I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but perhaps one day, they could also add a first person / third person shooter to the walk in station function. That would be cool. If Star Citizen ever comes out, and if it actually comes out as a complete game, then it will be some competition. The Sandbox Sci Fi market is changing - if you look at all the Sandbox Sci Fi games that are coming out these days, they all have a first-person component to them. I hope one day, the Cult Following community within Eve Online can explore the possibility of change, and not just resist change and be stuck in old ways.
Nosha Doshu Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.10.30 12:54:21 - [139] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: I pay subscription already. But you keep tellin' me to give more money for makin' EVE to be interesting for me. Nope. I already pay exactly for it and see no reason to pay any extra. Your subscription fee entitles you to access to the server. That's all. It doesn't come packaged with a promise to cater to your every idiotic whim. Paying a finite amount of money for a specific good or service does not entitle you to anything more than was agreed. If you go to a restaurant and order an a la carte item, you don't get other items for free based on the fact that you "already paid". You certainly don't get to insist that they build a rooftop deck and install a stripper pole, either. Somehow this is impossible for some people to understand, yet we understand it easily and completely. Our subscription (whether cash or plex) gives us access to EVE, and that's all. Yet these people thinks it entitles them to more than that. It doesn't. The thing is, WiS has been a part of EVE since CCP started to tease us about Ambulation, which goes a LONG way back. Some of us bought their early vision of one universe where the spaceships were only a part of the whole EVE experience. The industry has proven that the IDEA of a game is more powerful than the game itself, and as such the PCU peaked around the time when they announced incarna, before the drama of the golden ammo and the leaks. The only thing you're understanding is a narrowed version of what EVE once was, and even though the recent developments may prove you right, some of us still hope that sooner or later they're going to go back to their roots.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 18629	Posted - 2016.10.30 18:31:29 - [140] - Quote MidnightWyvern wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Lathael wrote: I really don't know why CCP is not expanding WiS. They fired nearly all the guys who worked on this stuff ages ago. They would need to hire some people back to work on it. But they would rather invest in other (VR) games. We dont know if Nova is still in development because no news. We do know, because CCP LogicLoop frequently hops on the Dust 514 Veterans Discord to talk to us about it, and the former Council of Planetary Management members are still under their NDA and have been very positive about what CCP is showing them of development as a result. Even CCP Rattati (effectively the Lead Game Designer) dropped in at one point to ensure us the project had cleared all current hurdles and was proceeding smoothly. Good to hear that. I hope it will be an awesome game, at least partially catering to the WIS crowd. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18167	Posted - 2016.10.30 20:19:43 - [141] - Quote Rawthorm wrote: Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS It would be cool, but it will never happen. Why? Because a vocal minority of the player base threw their toys out of the pram last time WiS was worked on, so CCP probably has ZERO incentive to work on it further. The only way I see this changing is if Alpha's bring in a huge surge of players who want to stay. All of these new players are going to ask the same question and if they collectively and very vocally outweigh the bitter oldies who torpedoed WiS the first time round then CCP might just revive the idea. The "bitter oldies" didn't "throw their toys out of the pram" because of WiS as a concept, they lost patience because it wasn't even 10% of what had been promised, and the <10% that was delivered, didn't bloody work. And for that, we lost 2 years of active development. If we'd seen anything more than the opportunity to sit ALONE in a seedy motel room until our video cards melted, hypothetically, the reception might have been a tiny bit better. Abandoning the Incarna project wasn't because of "bitter oldies". It was because CCP recognised that the project had been phenomenally mismanaged, was unlikely to ever work, and in essence committed CCP to producing an entirely new game that they no idea how to actually deliver, in return for essentially zero extra money from existing subscribers. Oh and don't forget the abusively expensive "micro"-transactions as the stinky icing on the shitcake sundae. "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
m1thr0s 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2016.10.31 14:30:30 - [142] - Quote I'm sure if CCP doesn't come up with walking in stations someone else will. Oh yeah they already have it in Star Citizen....and walking in your ship... Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are great competition to Eve that CCP needed 10 years ago. cxxxxx][===============> Gïå G£ó G£ú G£ñ G£Ñ G£ª G£º G£¬ G£¬ G£½ G£¼ G£¡ G£« G£» G£¦ Gÿà {a«ç}+++¦¦ú-+¦¦ú~GÇö
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 187	Posted - 2016.11.01 01:15:35 - [143] - Quote Gou Litvyak wrote: Next year there will be a lot of hype and such, the door in your quarters will finally open, a grand opening! Behind it? What else, a Walk in New Eden Store! Browse through and try on clothes before buying them, at the cashier you can pay with your irl credit card even. Thatd be a wonderful day, im not sure an official apology letter from CCP could make up for that. You've got it wrong mate. Behind that door will be an ingame version of actual merch store! Try on that ORE hat! Look at the blood raiders pint glass! now buy it and have it shipped to your house! Such immersion!
Vigirr 15	Posted - 2016.11.01 08:34:31 - [144] - Quote Rawthorm wrote: Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS It would be cool, but it will never happen. Why? Because a vocal minority of the player base threw their toys out of the pram last time WiS was worked on, so CCP probably has ZERO incentive to work on it further. The only way I see this changing is if Alpha's bring in a huge surge of players who want to stay. All of these new players are going to ask the same question and if they collectively and very vocally outweigh the bitter oldies who torpedoed WiS the first time round then CCP might just revive the idea. You should join Goons, they're almost as good at twisting facts and rewriting history as you are. That is not at all what happened. WiS had been in the works for YEARS and along the way they showed us screenshots and short vids that looked interesting. Then when it was finally released it was NOTHING like they showed us, not an a graphical fidelity level, not on a design language level and not on a usability level. It was bland with terrible lighting and only one room, being useless, while frying our videocards. But that wasn't even the main problem, we're used to CCP fcking up so nothing new there. However, CCP had pretty much stopped development on EVE for quite a while now and had been using EVE money, resources and dev time to create their new love child World of Darkness. WiS wasn't actually meant to be useful, EVE was just used as a testbed to act as an alpha for WoD. So not only did they use our money for it, they wasted something were we all waiting for for YEARS and mis use it in a "lol get rekt EVE, WoD is the new fad" kind of way. Then there was the whole micro transactions thing where some clown dev (Zinfandel) decided that micro transactions really wasn't the way to go, macro transactions is where it's at with items costing a fckton of money, because "some people buy $1000 jeans dontyouknow". On top of all this when we asked about when CCP would finally start to invest time and effort into EVE and bring us some very much needed updates and rebalancing the answer was "well, that's going to take 18 months, deal with it". The icing on the cake: the "fearless" memo that had been circulating in CCP, from the CEO, where he pretty much stated "let the idiots whine on the forums, we'll keep doing what we're doing to fck them. It might take a few months but in the end they'll shut up and keep giving us money". So no, it wasn't a bittervet minority somehow stopping WiS. It was CCP fcking up on such a large scale, all at the same time, that the effects of that colossal mess up reverberate to this day. If CCP would make a useful, cool and interactive WiS that wouldn't waste development on the core game itself we'd love to have it.
Kaivarian Coste Stellar Supply 94	Posted - 2016.11.01 16:04:23 - [145] - Quote ^ Ah the summer of rage. How I miss thee.
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 61	Posted - 2016.11.01 17:44:59 - [146] - Quote As someone who thought Incarna was cool, but definitely understands the no gameplay = no reason argument. My two cents are that CCP has no idea how to handle any of it. I would be very interested to see CCP make some smaller interactions in EVE. Chess games that could be bet on and that sort of thing. I would be very interested to see if Valk makes as much money as cosmetic items in Eve.
Gogela Heh... 3362	Posted - 2016.11.02 06:44:37 - [147] - Quote Yah. They should have released the prototypey part anyway just for fun. I'd like to see it but I think that ship has sailed. Signatures should be used responsibly...
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 18789	Posted - 2016.11.02 06:58:59 - [148] - Quote Its still sailing, although with completely other captain. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Natural CloneKiller The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group 247	Posted - 2016.11.02 10:41:31 - [149] - Quote Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS Lol.
Steffles University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2016.11.02 11:42:05 - [150] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Rawthorm wrote: Faxien Ambramotte wrote: I'm a filthy casual RP character, but it'd be pretty cool to see more done with WiS It would be cool, but it will never happen. Why? Because a vocal minority of the player base threw their toys out of the pram last time WiS was worked on, so CCP probably has ZERO incentive to work on it further. The only way I see this changing is if Alpha's bring in a huge surge of players who want to stay. All of these new players are going to ask the same question and if they collectively and very vocally outweigh the bitter oldies who torpedoed WiS the first time round then CCP might just revive the idea. The "bitter oldies" didn't "throw their toys out of the pram" because of WiS as a concept, they lost patience because it wasn't even 10% of what had been promised, and the <10% that was delivered, didn't bloody work. And for that, we lost 2 years of active development. If we'd seen anything more than the opportunity to sit ALONE in a seedy motel room until our video cards melted, hypothetically, the reception might have been a tiny bit better. Abandoning the Incarna project wasn't because of "bitter oldies". It was because CCP recognised that the project had been phenomenally mismanaged, was unlikely to ever work, and in essence committed CCP to producing an entirely new game that they no idea how to actually deliver, in return for essentially zero extra money from existing subscribers. Oh and don't forget the abusively expensive "micro"-transactions as the stinky icing on the shitcake sundae. I think this explanation could be flipped on its head maybe - the trigger was the golden ammo and such and the Greed is Good memo that was leaked by one of the CCP staff members. WIS was imo a largely innocent bystander that became collateral damage.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 18904	Posted - 2016.11.02 12:18:31 - [151] - Quote CCP forgot that you first have to praise customer and give him a bite, make him hooked on, lead him into the bush, before totally ripping him off. Monocles with their prices were like a great warning sign "TOTAL RIPOFF AHEAD" and CQ were like a sniff of cocaine from dealer standing on the other side of door. Closed door. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1161	Posted - 2016.11.02 13:28:59 - [152] - Quote Well at this point WiS for EVE is a lost cause. Star Citizen already has it so if you want that level of detail just play SC. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Kaivarian Coste Stellar Supply 94	Posted - 2016.11.02 14:11:48 - [153] - Quote Steffles wrote: WIS was imo a largely innocent bystander that became collateral damage. I agree. Back then, everyone was hopeful about WiS, Dust 514 etc. People went into a cheering frenzy after seeing CCP's "Eve Forever" trailer during Fanfest 2011, which centered around WiS. https://youtu.be/TaT9Z2zxPu0?t=6150 People were cheering and standing on their feet for a full minute, enough to prompt an encore of the trailer. They WANTED this.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14867	Posted - 2016.11.02 14:28:22 - [154] - Quote Kaivarian Coste wrote: Steffles wrote: WIS was imo a largely innocent bystander that became collateral damage. I agree. Back then, everyone was hopeful about WiS, Dust 514 etc. People went into a cheering frenzy after seeing CCP's "Eve Forever" trailer during Fanfest 2011, which centered around WiS. https://youtu.be/TaT9Z2zxPu0?t=6150 People were cheering and standing on their feet for a full minute, enough to prompt an encore of the trailer. They WANTED this. This is simply what folks like you WANTED to think. Even back then, some of us were more realistic about what CCP could do with EVE. While the people at fan fest were cheering (fanfest crowds are not a good representation of the EVE community btw, most EVE players don't read forums let alone go to fanfest), I and others were remembering CCPs failed attempt at atmospheric flight and all the other stuff they suggested might be a part of the game at past fanfests but that never materialized. It's the "immersion" crowd that wants WiS. Not all of us want that level of immersion, some of us are fine with our ships being our avatars. WiS to me would be like taking a game about formula 1 racing and adding the ability to get out of the car and walk around the track or go into the stands of play as the pit crew (whooo so exciting). But some of us don't care anything about any of that, we just want to race cars. Been saying the above for years, but you just can't get the immersion folks to understand that not everyone is like them. The same people find themselves perplexed at the idea that Star Citizen and other space games are not enticing to some of us. Yay space fighter dogfights and FPS gameplay, things that don't interest me at all. I loved Wing Commander as a kid, I might even play SC with my corpmates if i can get a system that can handle it, I'm sure it will be fun, but I'm not salivating over it, I like being a space submarine captain in Fluid space. All ofwhich is why i wish they'd hurry the hell up and finish SC, because there are lots of "misplaced SC jocks" playing EVE because they don't think they have any alternative. They get the immersive space dogfighting and FPSing game they crave, and those of us who don't care for that stuff can do our own thing in a game we like. Everyone's happy.... .. yea I know that won't happen, people being how they are we're going to hear about WiS for the next 20 years even after all these other 'competitors' exist as EVE's immersion craving crowd continues to beg for it while ignoring the others games that already have it (like the did with Star Trek Online). Sometimes wishful thinking is relaxing though.
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1161	Posted - 2016.11.02 14:49:34 - [155] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Kaivarian Coste wrote: Steffles wrote: WIS was imo a largely innocent bystander that became collateral damage. I agree. Back then, everyone was hopeful about WiS, Dust 514 etc. People went into a cheering frenzy after seeing CCP's "Eve Forever" trailer during Fanfest 2011, which centered around WiS. https://youtu.be/TaT9Z2zxPu0?t=6150 People were cheering and standing on their feet for a full minute, enough to prompt an encore of the trailer. They WANTED this. This is simply what folks like you WANTED to think. Even back then, some of us were more realistic about what CCP could do with EVE. While the people at fan fest were cheering (fanfest crowds are not a good representation of the EVE community btw, most EVE players don't read forums let alone go to fanfest), I and others were remembering CCPs failed attempt at atmospheric flight and all the other stuff they suggested might be a part of the game at past fanfests but that never materialized. It's the "immersion" crowd that wants WiS. Not all of us want that level of immersion, some of us are fine with our ships being our avatars. WiS to me would be like taking a game about formula 1 racing and adding the ability to get out of the car and walk around the track or go into the stands of play as the pit crew (whooo so exciting). But some of us don't care anything about any of that, we just want to race cars. Been saying the above for years, but you just can't get the immersion folks to understand that not everyone is like them. The same people find themselves perplexed at the idea that Star Citizen and other space games are not enticing to some of us. Yay space fighter dogfights and FPS gameplay, things that don't interest me at all. I loved Wing Commander as a kid, I might even play SC with my corpmates if i can get a system that can handle it, I'm sure it will be fun, but I'm not salivating over it, I like being a space submarine captain in Fluid space. All ofwhich is why i wish they'd hurry the hell up and finish SC, because there are lots of "misplaced SC jocks" playing EVE because they don't think they have any alternative. They get the immersive space dogfighting and FPSing game they crave, and those of us who don't care for that stuff can do our own thing in a game we like. Everyone's happy.... .. yea I know that won't happen, people being how they are we're going to hear about WiS for the next 20 years even after all these other 'competitors' exist as EVE's immersion craving crowd continues to beg for it while ignoring the others games that already have it (like the did with Star Trek Online). Sometimes wishful thinking is relaxing though. You will get your wish when SC 3.0 comes out with trade missions and planetary landings. Engine and gameplay wise, SC is light years ahead of EVE. Content, not so much. Things will just get more developed as SC progresses. I mean the only reason I'm subbed now is to get a character ready for F2P EVE. When SC 3.0 comes out I will play that instead of EVE. Who know, I'm hoping F2P EVE brings a lot of old friends out of the wood work. But I have a feeling that EVE is pretty much done with pushing the tech envelope. I'm not asking that they do as SC currently does a better job anyways. It's pretty much downhill from here. I suppose F2P will keep the lights on for a bit longer. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14867	Posted - 2016.11.02 14:57:52 - [156] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: You will get your wish when SC 3.0 comes out with trade missions and planetary landings. Engine and gameplay wise, SC is light years ahead of EVE. Content, not so much. Things will just get more developed as SC progresses. I mean the only reason I'm subbed now is to get a character ready for F2P EVE. When SC 3.0 comes out I will play that instead of EVE. Who know, I'm hoping F2P EVE brings a lot of old friends out of the wood work. But I have a feeling that EVE is pretty much done with pushing the tech envelope. I'm not asking that they do as SC currently does a better job anyways. It's pretty much downhill from here. I suppose F2P will keep the lights on for a bit longer. Yea yea,we get it, you don't like EVE and (being the intensely spiteful sort) want it to die so you can laugh at people you don't like.. I think it's insane to play a game you don't like simply out of spite, but people do a lot of insane things in life, if they didn't I wouldn't have an IRL job lol. As far as content goes, EVe's content is it's people, the spaceships and missions and expeditions etc are just backdrop/eye candy/filler. Which is why I say I'm hopeful about SC, it provides something for people who need a dev created story to enjoy, or 'immersive' game mechanics to have fun. Not all of us need those things. Apparently that's hard/impoosible for some to grasp
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1161	Posted - 2016.11.02 14:59:48 - [157] - Quote What I mean to say concisely is that in order for EVE to stay relavent by 2020, they would have needed to have developed core technology for WiS years ago. Now it's too late and they shouldn't bother. They did have this awesome vision I will have to admit, but they screwed the pooch by no delivering. Also putting their flagship FPS game on a console at the end of its life cycle was a terrible idea. The word is still out for Valkyrie... Really SC already does much of what EVE promised to do and much better by 3.0 Unless EVE can get a $100 million budget for an engine upgrade they should just try to not over extend and just try to stay afloat for another 5 years. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1161	Posted - 2016.11.02 15:09:46 - [158] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: You will get your wish when SC 3.0 comes out with trade missions and planetary landings. Engine and gameplay wise, SC is light years ahead of EVE. Content, not so much. Things will just get more developed as SC progresses. I mean the only reason I'm subbed now is to get a character ready for F2P EVE. When SC 3.0 comes out I will play that instead of EVE. Who know, I'm hoping F2P EVE brings a lot of old friends out of the wood work. But I have a feeling that EVE is pretty much done with pushing the tech envelope. I'm not asking that they do as SC currently does a better job anyways. It's pretty much downhill from here. I suppose F2P will keep the lights on for a bit longer. Yea yea,we get it, you don't like EVE and (being the intensely spiteful sort) want it to die so you can laugh at people you don't like.. I think it's insane to play a game you don't like simply out of spite, but people do a lot of insane things in life, if they didn't I wouldn't have an IRL job lol. As far as content goes, EVe's content is it's people, the spaceships and missions and expeditions etc are just backdrop/eye candy/filler. Which is why I say I'm hopeful about SC, it provides something for people who need a dev created story to enjoy, or 'immersive' game mechanics to have fun. Not all of us need those things. Apparently that's hard/impoosible for some to grasp To be fair, EVE isn't a bad game. I just find the player base worthy of dislike. And the the people on the forums even more so. And some of those people like Tippia have left. I mean I met some great people on EVE that I'm still in contact on a regular basis. It's just that if I were a billionaire, I'd buy CCP. Fire the developers and delete everyone's account for spite. It would be the ultimate justice for all the toxic behavior that happens on the forums. So EVE dying is of interest to me. But if they are going to let me play for free, I'm pragmatic enough to actually use it to entertain myself. I just find it amusing that people defend EVEs stagnation when it obviously is facing issues with retention. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14867	Posted - 2016.11.02 15:16:29 - [159] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: What I mean to say concisely is that in order for EVE to stay relavent by 2020, they would have needed to have developed core technology for WiS years ago. Now it's too late and they shouldn't bother. They did have this awesome vision I will have to admit, but they screwed the pooch by no delivering. Also putting their flagship FPS game on a console at the end of its life cycle was a terrible idea. The word is still out for Valkyrie... Really SC already does much of what EVE promised to do and much better by 3.0 Unless EVE can get a $100 million budget for an engine upgrade they should just try to not over extend and just try to stay afloat for another 5 years. What you don't understand is that EVE doesn't need any of that. EVE was actually dated when it started in 2003, it's NEVER been cutting edge. The people who like it and play it don't care about that. A good example is "graphics", people complain about how dated they look and what not, but the most fanatical EVE players play ZOOMED OUT. Hell, the only time I see any of my own ships is when I'm docked. Because for people like me, even the SHIP avatar is irrelevant, as much as a pawn on a chess board would be. EVE offers something unique to a certain niche market of people (as opposed to the more mainstream scifi experience SC promises ), and that market isn't going away. Themain threats to EVE have never been it "falling behind",it's been CCP's inept attempts to mainstream it. WiS was one such attempt, and it's good it died. If it does go away for some reason, expect EVE players to move to SC, using their money and lobbying skills (as well as their world renowned skill at finding the cracks in a game...in order to us them to screw with people) as leverage to get Cloud Imperium to change the game "to be more like EVE" in a reversal of how things happen here lol. If you were smart you would WANT EVE to continue so the kinds of people you obviously (and publicly) don't like don't follow you types to SC and gain some level of influence with it's developers... Just look at what former EVE players did in Star Trek Online and Elite:Dangerous...
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1161	Posted - 2016.11.02 15:25:36 - [160] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: What I mean to say concisely is that in order for EVE to stay relavent by 2020, they would have needed to have developed core technology for WiS years ago. Now it's too late and they shouldn't bother. They did have this awesome vision I will have to admit, but they screwed the pooch by no delivering. Also putting their flagship FPS game on a console at the end of its life cycle was a terrible idea. The word is still out for Valkyrie... Really SC already does much of what EVE promised to do and much better by 3.0 Unless EVE can get a $100 million budget for an engine upgrade they should just try to not over extend and just try to stay afloat for another 5 years. What you don't understand is that EVE doesn't need any of that. EVE was actually dated when it started in 2003, it's NEVER been cutting edge. The people who like it and play it don't care about that. A good example is "graphics", people complain about how dated they look and what not, but the most fanatical EVE players play ZOOMED OUT. Hell, the only time I see any of my own ships is when I'm docked. Because for people like me, even the SHIP avatar is irrelevant, as much as a pawn on a chess board would be. EVE offers something unique to a certain niche market of people (as opposed to the more mainstream scifi experience SC promises ), and that market isn't going away. Themain threats to EVE have never been it "falling behind",it's been CCP's inept attempts to mainstream it. WiS was one such attempt, and it's good it died. If it does go away for some reason, expect EVE players to move to SC, using their money and lobbying skills (as well as their world renowned skill at finding the cracks in a game...in order to us them to screw with people) as leverage to get Cloud Imperium to change the game "to be more like EVE" in a reversal of how things happen here lol. If you were smart you would WANT EVE to continue so the kinds of people you obviously (and publicly) don't like don't follow you types to SC and gain some level of influence with it's developers... Just look at what former EVE players did in Star Trek Online and Elite:Dangerous... To be fair, SC is a dictatorship by Chris Roberts. He basically creates micromanagement hell for his manager who he refuses to listen to them and forced them to do what he wants regardless of its feasible. So unless he died, he's not going to listen to voices that deviate from his vision. E:D was the same way and I got fed up with David's vision so I'm not playing that anymore. And to be fair EVE's vision is by committee so they are wishy washy about the direction the gam will go. And to be fair people still play Ultima Online on private servers now, but really... Not innovating EVE only results in stagnation. Those who have voiced for it are only encouraging the decline of the game. Going F2P is innovation though, but it's a sign that the subscription model isn't sustainable long term. I'm not arguing that CCP should make WIS. It's too late for that. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14867	Posted - 2016.11.02 15:30:37 - [161] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: You will get your wish when SC 3.0 comes out with trade missions and planetary landings. Engine and gameplay wise, SC is light years ahead of EVE. Content, not so much. Things will just get more developed as SC progresses. I mean the only reason I'm subbed now is to get a character ready for F2P EVE. When SC 3.0 comes out I will play that instead of EVE. Who know, I'm hoping F2P EVE brings a lot of old friends out of the wood work. But I have a feeling that EVE is pretty much done with pushing the tech envelope. I'm not asking that they do as SC currently does a better job anyways. It's pretty much downhill from here. I suppose F2P will keep the lights on for a bit longer. Yea yea,we get it, you don't like EVE and (being the intensely spiteful sort) want it to die so you can laugh at people you don't like.. I think it's insane to play a game you don't like simply out of spite, but people do a lot of insane things in life, if they didn't I wouldn't have an IRL job lol. As far as content goes, EVe's content is it's people, the spaceships and missions and expeditions etc are just backdrop/eye candy/filler. Which is why I say I'm hopeful about SC, it provides something for people who need a dev created story to enjoy, or 'immersive' game mechanics to have fun. Not all of us need those things. Apparently that's hard/impoosible for some to grasp To be fair, EVE isn't a bad game. I just find the player base worthy of dislike. And the the people on the forums even more so. And some of those people like Tippia have left. I mean I met some great people on EVE that I'm still in contact on a regular basis. It's just that if I were a billionaire, I'd buy CCP. Fire the developers and delete everyone's account for spite. It would be the ultimate justice for all the toxic behavior that happens on the forums. So EVE dying is of interest to me. But if they are going to let me play for free, I'm pragmatic enough to actually use it to entertain myself. I just find it amusing that people defend EVEs stagnation when it obviously is facing issues with retention. It always had issues with retention, even when it was growing, sio that it nothing new. And no one is defending stagnation, simply saying that many people's ide of 'progress' isn't actually progress, it's an attempt to mainstream a niche game. It's like saying "this biker bar would be WAY better is it turned into a Starbucks" lol. Some of us are saying "EVE should progress, yes, into a better spaceship focused pvp-centric game, not some mushy space barbie hand holding game". Rejecting YOUR idea of progress is not rejecting progress. But like i said, I get it, you don't like EVE (it's EVE's Game mechanics that attracts it's crowd) and have (in find prejudiced fashion) passed judgement on 10s of thousands of people you don't know. But somehow you can't just leave it alone and play something you actually like. This is why I say i know that EVEN after SC ships, the WiS complainers will still be here. Because (as Star Trek Online demonstrates), the whole "I'll leave for that competeing space game" screed WiS types shout at every turn is a lie. You yourself are proof, as you said in the SC thread, some of SC is playable, yet here you still are, coming back after several public quitting bouts. If YOU can't stop coming back to something that causes so much hate within you, why do you think others won't as well? While I don't know you, I've seen the type, the folks who don't like certain people but can't stand to not be around them (like a feminist in a strip club,or a vegan who can't seem to stay out of Outback Steakhouse ). It kind of makes the whole "they are toxic and I wish they'd go away" thing a lie, does it not? If EVE's "toxic" community went away you'd just go and find another one, because you seem to need them.
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1161	Posted - 2016.11.02 15:44:27 - [162] - Quote I'd like to quote Winston Churcill "Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all other forms that have been tried from time to time." E:D was just a bad attempt at grind for content and space communism. SC on the other hand has objectivity more diverse game play. Currently I can wake up in Port Olisar, walk and get in my space ship, go shoot NPCs or other players, then if I so choose to land at another station, get out of my ship and then shoot other player first person. That in itself is much more than the failed vision of EVE's WIS. However, that's all you can do in 2.5 right now in a nutshell. However when 3.0 comes out (cargo and planetary interactions) things will get really interesting. But CiG has slow development, I won't argue that. So it won't be until mid 2017 before that update. So if CCP is offering F2P then I'm not going to be so dogmatic to pass it up. Again, it's not that EVE was bad, it just not worth the $15 a month. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 18938	Posted - 2016.11.02 18:55:00 - [163] - Quote Stop posting for a while because I want to write something and I am afraid it will drown in a sea of words nobody will read. And I think its important what I have to write. If indeed CIG is a dictatorship, and indeed EVE is more like democracy and its seen in its structure of the game, then the people who try both would stay with EVE longer, but SC would get more followers in a short timespan to then burn out fast. Its because democracy caters to many different groups and developers must make many groups at least mildly satiated, while still providing constant changes and evolution. In dictatorship only one, strongest group is preferred, that gives the best applauds for what dictator is doing. After this group is exploited, game becomes stale, there is no more followers with new ideas because dictator doesnt cater to many groups, doesnt listen to them, and people move along somewhere else, bored. If different groups will initially be there, only this one group that dictator is initially going after will remain, although also reduced. From history you can see that Icelandic people had this. I dont know if that is in their cultural heritage or what, but certain aspects of EVE are remainding me of it. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18176	Posted - 2016.11.02 19:04:10 - [164] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: I mean the only reason I'm subbed now is to get a character ready for F2P EVE. When SC 3.0 comes out I will play that instead of EVE. Who know, I'm hoping F2P EVE brings a lot of old friends out of the wood work. But I have a feeling that EVE is pretty much done with pushing the tech envelope. I'm not asking that they do as SC currently does a better job anyways. It's pretty much downhill from here. I suppose F2P will keep the lights on for a bit longer. Why would you need to "get a character ready for F2P EVE"? You can use your existing character. as a alpha clone; any excess skills are simply ignored and hey presto, you have a max SP alpaha character on day 1. "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1163	Posted - 2016.11.02 19:11:42 - [165] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: I mean the only reason I'm subbed now is to get a character ready for F2P EVE. When SC 3.0 comes out I will play that instead of EVE. Who know, I'm hoping F2P EVE brings a lot of old friends out of the wood work. But I have a feeling that EVE is pretty much done with pushing the tech envelope. I'm not asking that they do as SC currently does a better job anyways. It's pretty much downhill from here. I suppose F2P will keep the lights on for a bit longer. Why would you need to "get a character ready for F2P EVE"? You can use your existing character. as a alpha clone; any excess skills are simply ignored and hey presto, you have a max SP alpaha character on day 1. Good question. Apparently my racism for Caldari characters has proven to be problematic. Because my favorite play style used drones and , I simply trained all my Caldari characters into drone boats. So I just deleted my throw away ganker alt and created a Galente one only Galente F2P race can get drones 5. I suppose I could have waited to the 15th or just created a new account altogether, but I wanted to keep this on one account. And I was bored and impatient. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1163	Posted - 2016.11.02 19:24:22 - [166] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Stop posting for a while because I want to write something and I am afraid it will drown in a sea of words nobody will read. And I think its important what I have to write. If indeed CIG is a dictatorship, and indeed EVE is more like democracy and its seen in its structure of the game, then the people who try both would stay with EVE longer, but SC would get more followers in a short timespan to then burn out fast. Its because democracy caters to many different groups and developers must make many groups at least mildly satiated, while still providing constant changes and evolution. In dictatorship only one, strongest group is preferred, that gives the best applauds for what dictator is doing. After this group is exploited, game becomes stale, there is no more followers with new ideas because dictator doesnt cater to many groups, doesnt listen to them, and people move along somewhere else, bored. If different groups will initially be there, only this one group that dictator is initially going after will remain, although also reduced. From history you can see that Icelandic people had this. I dont know if that is in their cultural heritage or what, but certain aspects of EVE are remainding me of it. It depends on how good the dictatorship is and how bad the democracy is. I mean if I'd rather live in Napoleonic France than Liberia. The reason people have given Chris over $100 million cash is because they believe in his vision and/or leadership. While EVE has many ideas put forth by the community and even has elections, but have they really had an overall direction and/or vision for the game that appeals to the majority of its user base. I mean they get things sort of done but they fail with delivering on promises because they have no dictator forcing them to meet his vision. Lead devs come and go and the vision changes somewhat each time. In that regard CiG has the advantage that Chris is telling his managers they must complete certain features or else even if the managers claim it's not feasible. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 18940	Posted - 2016.11.03 08:16:38 - [167] - Quote Dictatorship and democracy is named because of the rules it employs. Enforcing rules is mandatory to call it one or the other. If the enforcing is broken, you can say the system is failing and in need of repair. You cant change from one rule to the other on whim because the way EVE is designed enforces democratic rule on ground level, by players fitting in the game mechanics. The discussion and conflicts inside EVE is never ending process, but it assures that everyone even with conflicting interests will be listened and their will enforced at least partially. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Humwawa Warton GT Mi Rovi 0	Posted - 2016.11.04 12:09:52 - [168] - Quote I want WIS - have been waiting for it now for nearly 15 years...
Captain Tardbar Sunken Ships 1168	Posted - 2016.11.04 13:30:19 - [169] - Quote Humwawa wrote: I want WIS - have been waiting for it now for nearly 15 years... Have you googled "Star Citizen 3.0 Gamescon demo". It's worth watching. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". Join Captain Tardbar's Discord Voice Server: https://discord.gg/ye9g5uz
viziel Sarum Industrial Cartel 3	Posted - 2016.11.04 19:57:29 - [170] - Quote WiS VOTE YES!
Gevlin Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 289	Posted - 2016.11.04 20:21:52 - [171] - Quote I do hope Leagion is successful and dosed become an entry portal into the WIS equivalent in Eve-online. Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Steffles University of Caille Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2016.11.06 01:46:34 - [172] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Humwawa wrote: I want WIS - have been waiting for it now for nearly 15 years... Have you googled "Star Citizen 3.0 Gamescon demo". It's worth watching. Damn. CCP done fekked up. The amount of money they've spent on failed games instead of concentrating on their flagship product, that cheering and quality could have been for EVE 2.0 demo. Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
Violet Crumble Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 798	Posted - 2016.11.06 02:01:56 - [173] - Quote Gevlin wrote: I do hope Leagion is successful and dosed become an entry portal into the WIS equivalent in Eve-online. There is no Legion anymore. There is Project Nova, which has taken the stats on integration of Dust with Eve to conclude that Eve players don't want an Eve integrated FPS. So Project Nova is just an FPS that is aiming to be a high quality free FPS. Integration with Eve isn't really in the design plans. http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/21/11477884/ccp-project-nova-pc-eve-online Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Don'tcallme Francis United Tactical Operations and Manufacturing United Systems of Aridia 0	Posted - 2016.11.06 03:05:47 - [174] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: KaarBaak wrote: Sheesh...lighten-up Francis. How'd you know my real name? Are you doxxing me? Hey, buy me a drink first.

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