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Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
114
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:49:24 -
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At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.
As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.
Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals.
Never not badpost.
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David Zeta
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
44
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:49:58 -
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"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne." |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1662
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:51:53 -
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Well, that's something you don't see every day.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
931
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:56:27 -
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Ka.
Boom.
Proud pilot of the Imperium
Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
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Aradina Varren
Alexylva Paradox
73
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:15:24 -
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Yeah.
So much ammo, wasted.
You could have shot things with that. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1370
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:17:17 -
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Shoulda' used nuclear rounds.... |
Kyoko Sakoda
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
279
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:20:09 -
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This is what you get for using standard tech level one antimatter rounds. Cheap. |
Anoron Secheh
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp ChaosTheory.
18
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:22:40 -
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Those who wage war against the rightful Empress of Amarr shall be destroyed.
Amarr Victor! |
David Zeta
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
44
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:25:32 -
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Anoron Secheh wrote:Those who wage war against the rightful Empress of Amarr shall be destroyed.
Amarr Victor!
There will be no war, only the hands of the righteous few reaching from the shadows. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1370
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:26:06 -
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Drifters are still lurking in the shadows ya know... |
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Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
449
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:26:25 -
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My office, 2330, tomorrow night. |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1369
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:27:51 -
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"We attempted a convoluted assassination plan that wasted a bunch of resources.
Despite our total and complete failure, and the embarrasing outcome, we thought it'd be fitting to toot our horn and wave some banners on the IGS."
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1370
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:29:59 -
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Well, atleast all the other leaders weren't present I'd imagine. I kinda doubt the Sanmatar was on board or Roden... |
David Zeta
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
45
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:38:03 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:"We attempted a convoluted assassination plan that wasted a bunch of resources.
Despite our total and complete failure, and the embarrasing outcome, we thought it'd be fitting to toot our horn and wave some banners on the IGS."
The resources expended were trivial. What is not trivial is the message that we will no longer stand idly by as the cycle of despotism and slavery plays itself out in the festering corpse of a dying empire. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
16
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:38:53 -
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David Zeta wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:"We attempted a convoluted assassination plan that wasted a bunch of resources.
Despite our total and complete failure, and the embarrasing outcome, we thought it'd be fitting to toot our horn and wave some banners on the IGS." The resources expended were trivial. What is not trivial is the message that we will no longer stand idly by as the cycle of despotism and slavery plays itself out in the festering corpse of a dying empire.
I don't often RP, but when I do, it's for Poitot, always. |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1370
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:40:19 -
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David Zeta wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:"We attempted a convoluted assassination plan that wasted a bunch of resources.
Despite our total and complete failure, and the embarrasing outcome, we thought it'd be fitting to toot our horn and wave some banners on the IGS." The resources expended were trivial. What is not trivial is the message that we will no longer stand idly by as the cycle of despotism and slavery plays itself out in the festering corpse of a dying empire.
You could have just made the pouty public statement like all the kids these days. You'd be up two Providences and down a whole load of laughing stock.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
23
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:43:59 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:David Zeta wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:"We attempted a convoluted assassination plan that wasted a bunch of resources.
Despite our total and complete failure, and the embarrasing outcome, we thought it'd be fitting to toot our horn and wave some banners on the IGS." The resources expended were trivial. What is not trivial is the message that we will no longer stand idly by as the cycle of despotism and slavery plays itself out in the festering corpse of a dying empire. You could have just made the pouty public statement like all the kids these days. You'd be up two Providences and down a whole load of laughing stock.
While we may not have freed the Amarrian people from the shackles of the false empress, we did not completely fail. Recent news reports indicate that our efforts have placed the TES Purity in gravdocks for several weeks, and caused untold billions in damage.
Our attack cost us nearly nothing. Please thank your friendly neighborhood Pend Insurance salesman for their support of our efforts.
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/catiz-i-addresses-capsuleers-and-imperial-guard-after-historic-day-in-dam-torsad/ |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
156
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Posted - 2016.09.27 21:54:39 -
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Hey! You said you were just borrowing my Starsi freighters!
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1971
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Posted - 2016.09.27 22:17:15 -
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As far as propaganda of the deed go, this one was pretty good. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1589
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Posted - 2016.09.27 22:54:08 -
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And another enemy reveals itself.
You will be crushed like all the rest.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
1137
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Posted - 2016.09.27 23:02:46 -
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Not that I condone terrorism, but nice try. Contrary to the opinion of some it could've worked - in the end not everyone can boast that they've put a flagship into dock for a few months. These consequences may be trivial, but so is the cost of a battleship, two freighters and some martyrs. A plucky statement on the IGS without some bloodshed just doesn't cut it these days. But hey, in the spirit of the day, Amarr Victor. I'm looking forward to a lot more of these future bright days.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
17
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Posted - 2016.09.27 23:04:37 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:And another enemy reveals itself.
You will be crushed like all the rest.
Gallente born I mock your rigidity.
Capulseers by nature I question your true loyalty.
Rote Kapelle at heart I welcome your scorn.
Stimulus in spirit I say, in the tongue of the ancients: "Molon Labe!" |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
666
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Posted - 2016.09.28 00:25:25 -
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Seraphim Risen wrote:At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.
As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.
Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals.
Madam Risen GÇö
I have no strong opinion on your attempted assassination of our pathetic, subhuman, money-grubbing merchant excuse of an Empress whose only redeeming value is her house's stuffing its slaves full of TCMCs.
I do, however, object to your murder of twelve slavers. Slavers are among the most favored of the Chosen People of God, and these twelve that you have martyred are being carried on the wings of the sefrim to the highest Paradise, where they will delight for all eternity in the destruction of the Wicked. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
319
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Posted - 2016.09.28 01:35:01 -
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Nauplius wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.
As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.
Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals. Madam Risen GÇö I have no strong opinion on your attempted assassination of our pathetic, subhuman, money-grubbing merchant excuse of an Empress whose only redeeming value is her house's stuffing its slaves full of TCMCs. I do, however, object to your murder of twelve slavers. Slavers are among the most favored of the Chosen People of God, and these twelve that you have martyred are being carried on the wings of the sefrim to the highest Paradise, where they will delight for all eternity in the destruction of the Wicked. Wait what, aren't you supposed to be retired. Don't tell me your retirement coffin is not comfy enough. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
940
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Posted - 2016.09.28 02:27:12 -
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You and Rote Kapelle are now *RED* to the Society Ms. Risen. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
24
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Posted - 2016.09.28 02:43:38 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:You and Rote Kapelle are now *RED* to the Society Ms. Risen. Oh no! Whatever am I going to do? I can't have people being red to me!
Actually wait, could you remind me who you are again? I seem to have absolutely no idea who you are or why i should be scared. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2344
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Posted - 2016.09.28 03:03:19 -
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Well, that's going to make things awkward for Morwen, isn't it? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6436
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Posted - 2016.09.28 03:20:46 -
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Arrendis wrote:Well, that's going to make things awkward for Morwen, isn't it? I have been chuckling to myself about that.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
567
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Posted - 2016.09.28 04:35:38 -
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Congratulations on the notoriety of failure.
Seraphim Risen wrote:Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals. Are those ideals you oppose strength, honor, and success?
"Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
24
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Posted - 2016.09.28 04:48:55 -
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Ayallah wrote:Congratulations on the notoriety of failure. Seraphim Risen wrote:Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals. Are those ideals you oppose strength, honor, and success?
The false empress enslaves you. She takes the fruits of YOUR efforts and turns it only towards her own power. You are a capsuleer, the elite of the elite, spending as much money on every shot of your guns as most see in their lifetime. Yet you scurry about doing her bidding.
She has no honor. She takes and takes and takes with no thought for you. Her success is truthfully your success, if you could but rise up and take it back.
Cast off your chains. Take your strength and use it for yourself. Become truly free. That is the Rote Kapelle way. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2345
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Posted - 2016.09.28 05:05:34 -
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Ben Booley wrote:The false empress enslaves you. She takes the fruits of YOUR efforts and turns it only towards her own power. You are a capsuleer, the elite of the elite, spending as much money on every shot of your guns as most see in their lifetime. Yet you scurry about doing her bidding.
She has no honor. She takes and takes and takes with no thought for you. Her success is truthfully your success, if you could but rise up and take it back.
Cast off your chains. Take your strength and use it for yourself. Become truly free. That is the Rote Kapelle way.
Yup. That's totally what Ayallah and I were both doing there: scurrying about doing the Empress' bidding. If only we could be more like... who were you again? |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1667
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Posted - 2016.09.28 05:12:15 -
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Arrendis wrote:who were you again?
I vaguely remember something about Rote Kapelle being like, Star Fraction. Space anarchists. Maybe one was an offshoot of the other.
Except Rote Kapelle tended towards more explosions in space, and less text-walls on IGS.
The details are clouded by the mists of time.
I could look the details up.
But I won't.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
17
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Posted - 2016.09.28 05:32:45 -
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Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:The false empress enslaves you. She takes the fruits of YOUR efforts and turns it only towards her own power. You are a capsuleer, the elite of the elite, spending as much money on every shot of your guns as most see in their lifetime. Yet you scurry about doing her bidding.
She has no honor. She takes and takes and takes with no thought for you. Her success is truthfully your success, if you could but rise up and take it back.
Cast off your chains. Take your strength and use it for yourself. Become truly free. That is the Rote Kapelle way. Yup. That's totally what Ayallah and I were both doing there: scurrying about doing the Empress' bidding. If only we could be more like... who were you again?
The degree to which one is in the eye of the slave and master is a poor yardstick for free men.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2346
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Posted - 2016.09.28 05:38:13 -
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You should probably recheck that statement, you appear to be missing an object for critical parts of the first clause. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
17
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Posted - 2016.09.28 06:00:02 -
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Arrendis wrote:You should probably recheck that statement, you appear to be missing an object for critical parts of the first clause.
Shall we trust our persuasion to one who can or will not parse the truth when so clearly it is laid before her? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2376
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Posted - 2016.09.28 06:26:12 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Shoulda' used nuclear rounds....
For sheer energy output for matter used, it's a little hard to beat antimatter. Only,
1. There's not actually a lot of it in a hybrid charge (it's in a diffuse plasma state held in suspension to keep it from coming in contact with matter if someone, say, drops it);
2. Most explosive damage done in atmosphere comes from the blast wave ("explosive overpressure"), which can pulp people pretty nicely a disturbing distance away. Space: no atmosphere, no blast wave. It's why so few of our weapons actually can catch more than one target even though nuclear-tipped munitions are pretty common in both artillery shells and missiles. Considering what that Titan was probably designed to withstand, they must have been basically bumping hulls. I'm a little impressed it did anything at all.
... as for Rote Kapelle....
Even if I admire their audacity a little, this was, by any measure, a stunt, and kind of an example of why anarchist culture (if that's the word) is one I ...
... just, don't have any interest in.
At all.
Even Sansha's Nation's more interesting (the psychology of their free-willed elites, which I gather do exist? must be fascinating), just, if I ever did visit I'd probably never leave. |
Morgan Wulver
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
137
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Posted - 2016.09.28 07:25:02 -
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I'm actually inclined to thank you lot. Watching the Empress not give a flying **** while your terror plot unraveled around her was the single greatest piece of television I've seen since war broadcasts from Operation Highlander.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1373
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Posted - 2016.09.28 12:35:31 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Shoulda' used nuclear rounds.... For sheer energy output for matter used, it's a little hard to beat antimatter. Only, 1. There's not actually a lot of it in a hybrid charge (it's in a diffuse plasma state held in suspension to keep it from coming in contact with matter if someone, say, drops it); 2. Most explosive damage done in atmosphere comes from the blast wave ("explosive overpressure"), which can pulp people pretty nicely a disturbing distance away. Space: no atmosphere, no blast wave. It's why so few of our weapons actually can catch more than one target even though nuclear-tipped munitions are pretty common in both artillery shells and missiles. Considering what that Titan was probably designed to withstand, they must have been basically bumping hulls. I'm a little impressed it did anything at all. Ya, I was going more for nuclear rounds have more explosive material in them (propellant as well as the nuclear material itself) than antimatter rounds. Antimatter is more destructive in that regard but quantity over quality as they say. |
William Danneskjold
96
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Posted - 2016.09.28 12:49:59 -
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Violence, as usual, begets violence.
Also, Cherandine, those glasses do NOT fit you.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
17
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Posted - 2016.09.28 12:58:24 -
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William Danneskjold wrote:Violence, as usual, begets violence.
Also, Cherandine, those glasses do NOT fit you.
Thank you for noticing, working as intended.
Details are important in my line of work and it's good to get explicit feedback occasionally that isn't local salt and corpses under my guns.
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William Danneskjold
97
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Posted - 2016.09.28 13:06:51 -
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:Violence, as usual, begets violence.
Also, Cherandine, those glasses do NOT fit you. Thank you for noticing, working as intended. Details are important in my line of work and it's good to get explicit feedback occasionally that isn't local salt and corpses under my guns.
Also, I just realized I cannot spell your name.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Templar Thal Vadam
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3
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Posted - 2016.09.28 13:10:53 -
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Seraphim Risen wrote:At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.
As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.
Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals.
.....I am disappointed, Seraphim. This is painful to read from you. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
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Posted - 2016.09.28 13:12:44 -
[43] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Arrendis wrote:You should probably recheck that statement, you appear to be missing an object for critical parts of the first clause. Shall we trust our persuasion to one who can or will not parse the truth when so clearly it is laid before her?
Gotta tell you, Binky, I don't much care what you trust me with. However, in that it is your obvious preference to engage in overly complex constructions of verbiage, your foibles and fulminations I'll indulge as my point I make. As a notable departure from the meager efforts engaged in by yourself, however, mine will be grammatically correct.
To say that one like Ayallah was there to scurry 'bout and serve the Empress' will is simply put as wrongly overthought as your florid sentence construction is.
Ayallah may speak many platitudes of loyalty and paying Amarr's dues but look ye down at her alliance, friend and ask to whom the Legion's knee would bend
For lo! All know there's no love lost between she, and me, you see, we... we don't agree on many things including if the Queen is heaven sent, err, Empress, there... you see?
But I'll be blunt in closing (cuz I'm bored) as lecturer, sir, you cannot afford so be obtuse, or wrong, or e'en unclear on why PL and Goonswarm both were here. |
William Danneskjold
97
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Posted - 2016.09.28 13:19:48 -
[44] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Arrendis wrote:You should probably recheck that statement, you appear to be missing an object for critical parts of the first clause. Shall we trust our persuasion to one who can or will not parse the truth when so clearly it is laid before her? Gotta tell you, Binky, I don't much care what you trust me with. However, in that it is your obvious preference to engage in overly complex constructions of verbiage, your foibles and fulminations I'll indulge as my point I make. As a notable departure from the meager efforts engaged in by yourself, however, mine will be grammatically correct. To say that one like Ayallah was there to scurry 'bout and serve the Empress' will is simply put as wrongly overthought as your florid sentence construction is. Ayallah may speak many platitudes of loyalty and paying Amarr's dues but look ye down at her alliance, friend and ask to whom the Legion's knee would bend For lo! All know there's no love lost between she, and me, you see, we... we don't agree on many things including if the Queen is heaven sent, err, Empress, there... you see? But I'll be blunt in closing (cuz I'm bored) as lecturer, sir, you cannot afford so be obtuse, or wrong, or e'en unclear on why PL and Goonswarm both were here. (And yes, Mr. Amtiskaw, the rhyming scheme varies intentionally throughout each verse of iambic pentameter.)
Will you marry me?
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2353
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Posted - 2016.09.28 13:25:04 -
[45] - Quote
Sorry, I'm already in as committed a relationship as someone in my line of work can afford. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 13:47:02 -
[46] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Sorry, I'm already in as committed a relationship as someone in my line of work can afford.
Also, Amtiskaw, if in fact the thought has crossed your mind that perhaps, some minor flaw may lurk there in your second offering of which you're unaware, bravo!
'can or will not' construction means 'if you can' OR 'if you will not'. You wanted 'cannot or will not'.
Meter and cadence are more important persuasion devices than the fine points of grammar to trigger pedants.
That said, I yield nothing in the integrity of my constructions. |
Quin Mansa
Mamelik Hurusiyyad
60
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Posted - 2016.09.28 14:07:39 -
[47] - Quote
As the noose tightens, so does the condemned thrash against it. The tantrums of the profane are but their animal reflex to the realization of the promise granted by the Lord, and delivered through Her Imperial Majesty.
Those who struggle in vain against the Chosen: that rope around your neck is Truth, it is made of the Faithful, and it belongs to the Almighty. Submit to His Light and stand Reclaimed, or your doom shall be so sealed.
> "Today, our future is in our hands, and His light shines down upon us." - Her Holiness Catiz I
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2356
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Posted - 2016.09.28 14:13:43 -
[48] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Meter and cadence are more important persuasion devices than the fine points of grammar to trigger pedants.
That said, I yield nothing in the integrity of my constructions.
Well, then you should'a striven for some lyrical flow. and not some miracle blow from some mysterical throw no?
I don't mean to be mean but son you awfully seem to want to make a big scene from what went on with the Queen
but ok
so now you want to attack, and gimme all sorts of flak because I took you to school on understanding your tools, made you look like a fool or maybe some kinda hack, Jack.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn Singularity Syndicate
2080
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Posted - 2016.09.28 14:32:22 -
[49] - Quote
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:My office, 2330, tomorrow night.
Just to clarify...is that an open offer? I can bring some very good gin if that helps? |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 14:52:10 -
[50] - Quote
As usual, any attempt at drawing attention to the substantial structural deficits in New Eden society is met by the alternating currents of coarse resentment from the vested and flowered obfuscation from the posh hangers-on.
This is why your reminders must be frequent and tangible, because so willfully and with alacrity you forget.
Regards. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2357
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Posted - 2016.09.28 15:02:57 -
[51] - Quote
Orrrr.... you could try actually drawing attention to those deficits and not immediately attempt to cast aspersions on the motivations and agency of those who are observing events of consequence. Believe it or don't, it's very easy to point out the inequities in society without specifically calling out a member of one of the groups in the Cluster least beholden to any of the Empires.
As for the timing of my responses, I've got some time without paperwork. It's a perk of being a life-long insomniac. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 15:17:24 -
[52] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Orrrr.... you could try actually drawing attention to those deficits and not immediately attempt to cast aspersions on the motivations and agency of those who are observing events of consequence. Believe it or don't, it's very easy to point out the inequities in society without specifically calling out a member of one of the groups in the Cluster least beholden to any of the Empires.
As for the timing of my responses, I've got some time without paperwork. It's a perk of being a life-long insomniac.
Did I call you out? I hadn't noticed. Consider yourself called out then, it's of little consequence for me beyond salt in the growing bank.
This was by way of answering your question: who are you?
Surely you asked that in good faith, as now you claim some kind of offense.
Goons and PL are worse than the empires, you take the life force and minds of otherwise free capsuleers, enticing them with exclusivity while delivering homogeneity, commodities of far more concern than the juices of mortal bodies. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2382
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:17:53 -
[53] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Did I call you out? I hadn't noticed. Consider yourself called out then, it's of little consequence for me beyond salt in the growing bank.
This was by way of answering your question: who are you?
Surely you asked that in good faith, as now you claim some kind of offense.
Goons and PL are worse than the empires, you take the life force and minds of otherwise free capsuleers, enticing them with exclusivity while delivering homogeneity, commodities of far more concern than the juices of mortal bodies.
I hate this style of rhetoric: verbosity as a weapon.
My predecessor used it. I've promised myself I never will.
It's a gladiator's approach to discussion: flashy, noisy, possibly pleasing to the crowd (for some crowds), definitely flattering to the combatant's ego. It's also ineffective for actually communicating with most people.
It main effect is to limit how many people you have to defend your ideas against, whether they're good ideas or not. It creates a filter; only people able to navigate a labyrinth of arcane verbiage and complex structure will be able to engage.
The goal of this style isn't actually to teach or discuss ideas; it's to "win."
... whether or not the idea makes any sense, whether or not the position you stake out is worth defending. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:29:30 -
[54] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote: verbosity
I don't think this word means what you think it means.
If anything I can be accused of maximizing syntactic complexity.
I'll leave you to speculate on possible motivations. |
William Danneskjold
97
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:40:42 -
[55] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Words
Do you write anything with meaning?
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
William Danneskjold wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Words Do you write anything with meaning?
Do you do anything with meaning? |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:48:11 -
[57] - Quote
William Danneskjold wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Words Do you write anything with meaning?
The gates to your understanding are manned by stalwarts of your own creation, but only nominally of your control.
In this I do you many favors to make you aware, so that even in the absence of understanding you may perceive what is lacking by its form, and first glimpse into the vale of deeper knowledge. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2382
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:48:25 -
[58] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote: verbosity
I don't think this word means what you think it means. If anything I can be accused of maximizing syntactic complexity. I'll leave you to speculate on possible motivations.
Hm. You haven't actually posted any wall-of-text rants, yet, to go with your taste for florid language, so, point.
I'm not actually very interested in your motivations, Mr. Amtiskaw. So far it looks like you're planning on killing people and telling them it's their fault you have to resort to violence because they're too stupid and unenlightened to understand your ideals.
Boring as dust. |
William Danneskjold
97
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:52:06 -
[59] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Words Do you write anything with meaning? Do you do anything with meaning?
I try to avoid that. It sounds like actual work.
I do applaud you for standing up to the powers that be, though it resulted in an unfortunate loss of innocent life amongst the freighter crews.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:52:15 -
[60] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote: Boring as dust.
The adolescent mentality is quite becoming on the herd so long as it wanes to passivity upon coming of age. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2382
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:54:54 -
[61] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote: Boring as dust.
The adolescent mentality is quite becoming on the herd so long as it wanes to passivity upon coming of age.
I'm sure you'll grow out of it, then. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:55:56 -
[62] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote: verbosity
I don't think this word means what you think it means. If anything I can be accused of maximizing syntactic complexity. I'll leave you to speculate on possible motivations. Hm. You haven't actually posted any wall-of-text rants, yet, to go with your taste for florid language, so, point. I'm not actually very interested in your motivations, Mr. Amtiskaw. So far it looks like you're planning on killing people and telling them it's their fault you have to resort to violence because they're too stupid and unenlightened to understand your ideals. Boring as dust.
What is boring are your empty threats. You have threatened my alliance and told us that we are now set RED, yet I am confused why you think I should care or will give it even a moment of thought. If you truly cared about our attempt on the life of your false empress you would come attempt to punish us. Instead, you pay lip service to the demands of your false empress and denounce us, but do no more than the minimum.
Clearly, deep in your heart of hearts, you support our mission, you simply need to find the courage to accept that. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 16:59:50 -
[63] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote: Boring as dust.
The adolescent mentality is quite becoming on the herd so long as it wanes to passivity upon coming of age. I'm sure you'll grow out of it, then.
Did you just actually "no I'm not you are"?
I guess we can have a recess. |
Eagla Yassavi
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
7
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:01:01 -
[64] - Quote
I would take you up on that offer, but I suppose, based on public kill records, doing so would elicit an overwhelming response involving capital ships or at least multiple recons to guarantee that I would pose no threat.
The attempt on her life was crass, cowardly, and taken from a position where you do not have to face retribution. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2382
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:03:17 -
[65] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote: verbosity
I don't think this word means what you think it means. If anything I can be accused of maximizing syntactic complexity. I'll leave you to speculate on possible motivations. Hm. You haven't actually posted any wall-of-text rants, yet, to go with your taste for florid language, so, point. I'm not actually very interested in your motivations, Mr. Amtiskaw. So far it looks like you're planning on killing people and telling them it's their fault you have to resort to violence because they're too stupid and unenlightened to understand your ideals. Boring as dust. What is boring are your empty threats. You have threatened my alliance and told us that we are now set RED, yet I am confused why you think I should care or will give it even a moment of thought. If you truly cared about our attempt on the life of your false empress you would come attempt to punish us. Instead, you pay lip service to the demands of your false empress and denounce us, but do no more than the minimum. Clearly, deep in your heart of hearts, you support our mission, you simply need to find the courage to accept that.
People usually say "clearly" and "obviously" when they want people to just accept something that isn't clear or obvious at all.
Or, often, true.
Mrs. Daphiti's statement is, I think, more a reflection of a sense of personal betrayal and/or outrage than a threat. I think she and Ms. Risen were on kind of good, or, at least, cordial terms.
... up until now.
Now-- well. I guess we'll see. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
529
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:03:53 -
[66] - Quote
This is fantastic. The longest "no, u" fest I've ever witnessed.
Way to win people over for your cause.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1667
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:07:33 -
[67] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote:Arrendis wrote:who were you again? I vaguely remember something about Rote Kapelle being like, Star Fraction. Space anarchists. Maybe one was an offshoot of the other. Except Rote Kapelle tended towards more explosions in space, and less text-walls on IGS. The details are clouded by the mists of time. I could look the details up. But I won't.
Maybe I should revise that bit I wrote about the text-walls.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:08:10 -
[68] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:This is fantastic. The longest "no, u" fest I've ever witnessed.
Way to win people over for your cause.
It gets so much worse in nullsec. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:11:14 -
[69] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote: verbosity
I don't think this word means what you think it means. If anything I can be accused of maximizing syntactic complexity. I'll leave you to speculate on possible motivations. Hm. You haven't actually posted any wall-of-text rants, yet, to go with your taste for florid language, so, point. I'm not actually very interested in your motivations, Mr. Amtiskaw. So far it looks like you're planning on killing people and telling them it's their fault you have to resort to violence because they're too stupid and unenlightened to understand your ideals. Boring as dust. What is boring are your empty threats. You have threatened my alliance and told us that we are now set RED, yet I am confused why you think I should care or will give it even a moment of thought. If you truly cared about our attempt on the life of your false empress you would come attempt to punish us. Instead, you pay lip service to the demands of your false empress and denounce us, but do no more than the minimum. Clearly, deep in your heart of hearts, you support our mission, you simply need to find the courage to accept that. People usually say "clearly" and "obviously" when they want people to just accept something that isn't clear or obvious at all. Or, often, true. Mrs. Daphiti's statement is, I think, more a reflection of a sense of personal betrayal and/or outrage than a threat. I think she and Ms. Risen were on kind of good, or, at least, cordial terms. ... up until now. Now-- well. I guess we'll see.
Empty threats from the plush seats of your station office are meaningless. Find your courage and meet us on the field of battle, or remain hidden under the skirts of your false empress, it means nothing to me. Our crusade will continue, and the endless tide of progress will wash you away. |
Silen Serine
15
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:14:58 -
[70] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:This is fantastic. The longest "no, u" fest I've ever witnessed. Truly, capsuleers are the pinnacle of humanity's achievement: a merger of peerless audacity and staggering intellect. |
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
531
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:21:34 -
[71] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote: It gets so much worse in nullsec.
As if I don't know.
It's quite amusing to watch you continue this embarassment. Do you really expect anyone to just stand up and book it to uh... shoot at you? Doubt it, I have better things to do, others do too.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:35:58 -
[72] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Empty threats from the plush seats of your station office are meaningless. Find your courage and meet us on the field of battle, or remain hidden under the skirts of your false empress, it means nothing to me. Our crusade will continue, and the endless tide of progress will wash you away.
You say it means nothing to you, but it kind of seems like you want people to fight you.
I don't have orders to pursue you, though, Mr. Booley.
Let's be clear: the Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque isn't mostly a combat entity. We do a lot of different things in a lot of different places, but we're not a dedicated defense corporation like PIE.
Setting you red doesn't necessarily imply we're going to try to blow up your capital ship fleet. However emphatically stated, it mostly just means that we recognize you as hostile to the Empire. That's status you share with the whole TLF and any Sani Sabik corp we're aware of.
... so, congratulations: you're a recognized enemy.
If you want to take that as a threat-- eh, okay. We'll definitely treat you as hostile if we run into you, so, maybe it is, a little bit. Probably no more than the background threat from most capsuleer entities out in low or null.
I don't think Ms. Risen should be expecting any greeting cards or invitations to this and that from the Directrix Emerita, though. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn Singularity Syndicate
2083
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:42:55 -
[73] - Quote
Silen Serine wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:This is fantastic. The longest "no, u" fest I've ever witnessed. Truly, capsuleers are the pinnacle of humanity's achievement: a merger of peerless audacity and staggering intellect.
With 'Immortality' comes the endless opportunity to be an idiot. |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1387
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:45:09 -
[74] - Quote
I think what we have here are a couple of clowns from Rote who've decided to make merry with a verbal assault on a forum they've never frequented much before.
I don't think they're aware of the deep, personal, and important ties of friendship and trust that existed between certain members of their alliance and the wider Amarr loyalist community, and nor does it seem they actually care that these may have now been permanently broken.
So, what's changed? Nothing for the vast majority of people here or out in the wider cluster. Rote will be Rote, CVA already has them marked as hostile and that's not going to be changing again ever it seems.
But for a few pilots within the Rote alliance itself? They've lost some ties that will likely be difficult, if not impossible, to repair if this shitshow continues.
So I guess for the sake of honour I'll kindly ask everyone dog piling in here to just walk away. Rote can toot their horn and feel they accomplished a victory, we the Amarr can privately dream of vengeance against a foe that's as slippery as an eel in jelly (but whom thankfully didn't cause as much harm as they may have wished), and the rest can get back to finding the next thing to write alls of text about.
Ms Risen, this is the one and only time I'll speak out like this, I'm not likely to take to you in my presence kindly moving forward. Lady Steward Lagann, I hope we'll be able to sort things out so long as you had no part to play in this affair, but I can say it's going to make mine (and likely several CVA member's) potential involvement in activities hosted by yourself difficult, if not impossible in the short term.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2369
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:47:25 -
[75] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Did I call you out? I hadn't noticed. Consider yourself called out then, it's of little consequence for me beyond salt in the growing bank.
This was by way of answering your question: who are you?
Surely you asked that in good faith, as now you claim some kind of offense.
Actually, I asked it of Booley there as a way ot tweaking him. If you'll follow the chain of events, Ayallah asked him whether or not he opposed certain virtues. He then claimed that the 'false empress enslaves' Ayallah, a member of Pandemic Legion, who are most certainly not beholden to the Empress. He then caps it off with 'that's the Rote Kapelle way', as if the Rote Kapelle way has ever amounted to anything outside of the Alliance Tournaments.
While I very much do respect Rote Kapelle's accomplishments in the ATs, they are after all, largely a vanity event of very little actual significance in the larger scheme of interstellar politics and being agents of societal change. Ushra'khan has had more effect on the internal workings of Amarr society than Rote. So for him to go throwing 'who are you again?' at an organization that, during the Trials, included at least one semi-finalist, and thus has had an effect on interstellar politics and society is, at the very least, deserving of having it thrown back in his face.
You then come in with a statement that in fact isn't an answer to the question, unless you were actually claiming to be 'the degree'. In which case, it makes even less sense as a sentence. So while I give you full points for the attempt, once again you're about as effective as you are accurate. Which is to say, not at all.
So I hope you like your salt with a healthy does of uric acid, because that ain't tears raining down on your head, Binky. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2384
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Posted - 2016.09.28 17:49:32 -
[76] - Quote
Utari Onzo wrote:Lady Steward Lagann, I hope we'll be able to sort things out so long as you had no part to play in this affair, but I can say it's going to make mine (and likely several CVA member's) potential involvement in activities hosted by yourself difficult, if not impossible in the short term.
Ah.
Yes.
That could be a little awkward. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:29:31 -
[77] - Quote
Utari Onzo wrote:I think what we have here are a couple of clowns from Rote who've decided to make merry with a verbal assault on a forum they've never frequented much before.
I don't think they're aware of the deep, personal, and important ties of friendship and trust that existed between certain members of their alliance and the wider Amarr loyalist community, and nor does it seem they actually care that these may have now been permanently broken.
So, what's changed? Nothing for the vast majority of people here or out in the wider cluster. Rote will be Rote, CVA already has them marked as hostile and that's not going to be changing again ever it seems.
But for a few pilots within the Rote alliance itself? They've lost some ties that will likely be difficult, if not impossible, to repair if this shitshow continues.
So I guess for the sake of honour I'll kindly ask everyone dog piling in here to just walk away. Rote can toot their horn and feel they accomplished a victory, we the Amarr can privately dream of vengeance against a foe that's as slippery as an eel in jelly (but whom thankfully didn't cause as much harm as they may have wished), and the rest can get back to finding the next thing to write walls of text about.
Ms Risen, this is the one and only time I'll speak out like this, I'm not likely to take to you in my presence kindly moving forward. Lady Steward Lagann, I hope we'll be able to sort things out so long as you had no part to play in this affair, but I can say it's going to make mine (and likely several CVA member's) potential involvement in activities hosted by yourself difficult, if not impossible in the short term.
Holder Lagann plays her part in the fight for the freedom of all capsuleers with her constant struggle against the drifter menace, who threaten to subsume all. She played no part in this attack. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
46
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:38:24 -
[78] - Quote
Fight the good fight komred Rote.
P-NXT is recruiting.
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:46:18 -
[79] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:
So I hope you like your salt with a healthy does of uric acid, because that ain't tears raining down on your head, Binky.
We're both talking past each other.
You, because you genuinely don't understand what I am saying in the way I have said it, and I because I make it a practice to shun the framing of those who identify as bastions of consolidated power.
Should you understand my premise, you'd know a roster of things known about us persuades not the clever and perceptive, for these are the truths of worshippers of power and the cult of the masses. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2373
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:48:09 -
[80] - Quote
While I'm sure many people would like to believe that, there's a few problems inherent in the statement.
First, it's coming from someone claiming credit for the attack, which means right off that you can't really be trusted.
Second, it's coming from someone with an obvious motive to make statements which would benefit an alliance-mate, and by extension, your alliance. So even if we could trust you in general, there's a conflict of interest when it comes to 'is this true, or are you just saying whatever will help your people?'
Third, so long as she and those responsible continue to fly the same colors, she's expressing tacit approval for your actions.
Fourth, money is fungible. Even if, as I'm sure many want to believe, she played no personal role in this attack, she's been one of the individuals whose efforts over time have benefited Rote's coffers, and Rote's coffers have benefited those of the individuals who planned and carried out the attack. This, of course, is a tenuous connection, but criminal racketeering cases in several legal traditions have hinged on such slender threads as a means to uncover deeper ties.
Now, I personally have no doubts that Lady Morwen will comport herself in a dignified, honorable matter with respect to the fallout from all this, but others might be a bit more... vindictive... about things. That, of course, is how politics works, I'm afraid. In the end, we can only hope to trust and rely upon those we fly with to watch out for us as well as we try to watch out for them. Pity you were all too busy making an impotent gesture to even consider what consequences others under the Rote banner might suffer. |
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Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:48:17 -
[81] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote: It gets so much worse in nullsec.
As if I don't know. It's quite amusing to watch you continue this embarassment. Do you really expect anyone to just stand up and book it to uh... shoot at you? Doubt it, I have better things to do, others do too.
We have no lack of foes, but enjoy giving invitations to experience the infomorph on a deeply personal level. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2388
|
Posted - 2016.09.28 18:51:01 -
[82] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Holder Lagann plays her part in the fight for the freedom of all capsuleers with her constant struggle against the drifter menace, who threaten to subsume all. She played no part in this attack.
If you take the Drifters seriously, maybe you could have just avoided this and maybe not caused a bunch of strain and drama?
Lady Tyrathlion might weather this. But the storm itself was optional.
The Drifters haven't made any new moves, but they also haven't withdrawn into Anoikis. We still don't know what the Elements are for, or even what they are. The same goes for the Hive structures and Nexuses.
We've got enough to worry about. More than enough.
You could have helped. Maybe you still can-- I kind of hope so.
But, I don't hold grudges well at all, and I can't speak for others. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:57:54 -
[83] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: Fourth, money is fungible. Even if, as I'm sure many want to believe, she played no personal role in this attack, she's been one of the individuals whose efforts over time have benefited Rote's coffers, and Rote's coffers have benefited those of the individuals who planned and carried out the attack. This, of course, is a tenuous connection, but criminal racketeering cases in several legal traditions have hinged on such slender threads as a means to uncover deeper ties.
Perhaps then you should lay blame at the feet of Pend Insurance, who financed 99.9% of the operation. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2373
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:04:29 -
[84] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Arrendis wrote:
So I hope you like your salt with a healthy does of uric acid, because that ain't tears raining down on your head, Binky.
We're both talking past each other. You, because you genuinely don't understand what I am saying in the way I have said it, and I because I make it a practice to shun the framing of those who identify as bastions of consolidated power. Should you understand my premise, you'd know a roster of things known about us persuades not the clever and perceptive, for these are the truths of worshippers of power and the cult of the masses.
Oh, I understand your premise, Binky. I just think it'd be nice if you actually phrased it in ways that weren't utter shite. You might think you're being verbally complex, but what you're actually doing is diluting your message.
So, let me make this clear:
As a writer or a propagandist, you want your message to be clear. You want it to be easily digested. You want it to be as simple and straightforward as you can get it.
Every iota of effort the targets and subjects of your agitprop need to expend just trying to understand you because you're busy wanking off about being able to maximize your syntactic complexity works against you.
Every. Single. One.
Because they stop caring about what you had to say. Your message becomes lost in 'what is this garbage?' and they mentally crumple it up and throw it away.
Keep it simple, stupid.
Because making your message complex, making your message even one little bit harder for the intended target to parse? That's exactly what it is: stupid. It's counterproductive. It helps your enemies, not you. It impresses exactly one person: yourself. And when you combine your slavish devotion to overly-complex verbiage with actually getting it wrong the way you repeatedly did? You turn people off even faster. Worse, you impress upon them that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Let's review!
"The degree to which one is in the eye of the slave and master is a poor yardstick for free men."
The degree [to which one is in the eye of the slave and master] is a poor yardstick for free men. << That's your primary subject/verb/object. That's fine. That makes sense. So let's look at the secondaries!
to which one is in the eye of the slave and master << to which one is what in the eye of the slave and master? Are you trying to say 'to which one is the slaver and master in their own eyes'? Because that's not even close to what the construction you've used means. Are you trying to say 'to which one is important in the eye of the slave and master'? Maybe! It'd fit your message. Unfortunately you left out the most important word.
And then when I suggested you re-read so you could maybe edit it for clarity... Binky got pissy, and managed to again assemble an overly-complex construction that doesn't mean what he wanted it to mean... We've already covered it briefly, but let me give you another option that would've worked:
"Shall we trust our persuasion to one who can or will not parse the truth when so clearly it is laid before her?"
As noted, this needed to be 'can not or will not' if you want to preserve the construction you have. HOWEVER! There's another construction which, in fact, I was surprised you didn't opt for, given that it better serves your 'maximum syntactical complexity' fetish:
"to one who neither can nor will parse"
See? You have to negate the whole thing or you have to negate both actions individually.
Poor Binky. Loves to use lots of words, doesn't actually know how.
So, here's the first rule of literary rules: You need to know the rules before you can break the rules without just being confusing as heck.
That's not 'framing', that's writing. It's also propaganda 101. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2374
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:09:35 -
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Ben Booley wrote:Perhaps then you should lay blame at the feet of Pend Insurance, who financed 99.9% of the operation.
Does Pend pay for your clone contracts? |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:17:34 -
[86] - Quote
This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:19:06 -
[87] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Perhaps then you should lay blame at the feet of Pend Insurance, who financed 99.9% of the operation. Does Pend pay for your clone contracts?
Our empty clones without implants? That is a free service provided to all.
Pend kindly paid out insurance on all ships used in the operation, which was the main cost. The IEDs inside the freighters, and the modules fit to the scorpion to trigger them, were a marginal incidental cost, easily lost in the daily overhead of running an alliance. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2389
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:25:16 -
[88] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured.
In other words, you're just trying to make us mad.
Soooooo....
Our best option if we want to annoy you in turn is to blow a raspberry and ignore you.
Noted, I guess? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:27:06 -
[89] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured.
Poor little Binky. Provocation is propaganda. You're trying to impact others. And you really, really don't get it. Such a pity.
Edit: Oh, and Binky, you should remember: As you correctly identified earlier, I'm a pedant. What you think of as an 'outburst', I think of as 'fun'. You should check Aria's advise to Ronin. It holds in this case, too. So please, feel free to keep going, I promise to keep pissing on you. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:28:25 -
[90] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Our empty clones without implants? That is a free service provided to all.
Your pilot's license is a free service provided to all? I'll let the Jita market know they should drop the prices on PLEX, then. |
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William Danneskjold
97
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:28:34 -
[91] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured.
Have you ever been so far as to make sure that nobody went so far as to into? You should consider thinking about taking action so that actions can never be so far read into as to make things. Its really a vast undertaking that if you try so hard as to figure out, may incite a pain that generally sees into the thing that nobody went so far as into
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:31:48 -
[92] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Our empty clones without implants? That is a free service provided to all.
Your pilot's license is a free service provided to all? I'll let the Jita market know they should drop the prices on PLEX, then.
Ahh, so you're moving your goalposts around. Cute. Hope they're light.
If you'd like to look into the cost of the pilots license rather than the clone contract, we spent roughly two hours of time for three pilots.
At a current rate of 1.124bn ISK for 720 hours of piloting, this cost us about 9.3666 million ISK. Not even a blip. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1973
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:32:04 -
[93] - Quote
I admit to being tempted to commission a manga of this event but I am unsure if anyone in Rote is bishounen enough to move copy in the schoolgirl demographic so critical in today's market. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:33:22 -
[94] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured. In other words, you're just trying to make us mad. Soooooo.... Our best option if we want to annoy you in turn is to blow a raspberry and ignore you. Noted, I guess?
Probably |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
531
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:33:41 -
[95] - Quote
Did this incident wuth Purity extremists not teach you anything?
- A lawsuit from Pend. Don't think they take kindly to their repotation being blackened by bad press. - Termination of your cloning contracts. You are still on CONCORD leash. - Outlawing of your organisations. Saw Serpentis? Yeah. Turn on the media machine, place a price tag, promise rewards and you are done.
I think you are not quite aware that you can be undone in mere moments. This is the reality. You have caused enough headache to good people in your organisation and I really don't understand why you are still its employees.
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:36:12 -
[96] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Did this incident wuth Purity extremists not teach you anything?
- A lawsuit from Pend. Don't think they take kindly to their repotation being blackened by bad press. - Termination of your cloning contracts. You are still on CONCORD leash. - Outlawing of your organisations. Saw Serpentis? Yeah. Turn on the media machine, place a price tag, promise rewards and you are done.
I think you are not quite aware that you can be undone in mere moments. This is the reality. You have caused enough headache to good people in your organisation and I really don't understand why you are still its employees.
Oh but you don't understand. I am not its employee. I am Rote Kapelle. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:36:16 -
[97] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Our empty clones without implants? That is a free service provided to all.
Your pilot's license is a free service provided to all? I'll let the Jita market know they should drop the prices on PLEX, then. Ahh, so you're moving your goalposts around. Cute. Hope they're light. If you'd like to look into the cost of the pilots license rather than the clone contract, we spent roughly two hours of time for three pilots. At a current rate of 1.124bn ISK for 720 hours of piloting, this cost us about 9.3666 million ISK. Not even a blip.
I'm not moving the goalposts at all. I said money's fungible and you've benefited from association with Rote and Morwen. You're the one who took that to mean the ships.
When I said your clone contracts, I wasn't speaking of that clone. I was speaking of the fact that when you die, you wake upGÇöthat you have a clone, at all. That's a function of your pilot's license. How much is waking up worth?
That doesn't even factor into account that you also needed to have that license long enough to learn to pilot freighters, and needed to afford the skillsofts for them, including the capital ship skillsoft.
So keep trying to claim the cost involved was just the materiel. Because it wasn't, and I never limited my focus to that very, very minor part of all this. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:36:28 -
[98] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured. Poor little Binky. Provocation is propaganda. You're trying to impact others. And you really, really don't get it. Such a pity. Edit: Oh, and Binky, you should remember: As you correctly identified earlier, I'm a pedant. What you think of as an 'outburst', I think of as 'fun'. You should check Aria's advise to Ronin. It holds in this case, too. So please, feel free to keep going, I promise to keep pissing on you.
This why we will forever talk past each other.
You are comfortable with what you are, and I am comfortable seeing you in the light of truth which glamour hides for those less accustomed to the raw and ugly products of empire. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:38:04 -
[99] - Quote
William Danneskjold wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This isn't propaganda.
It's provocation.
In that regard you have it quite twisted.
Your outburst was a delight, truly a metric by which future sperge shall be measured. Have you ever been so far as to make sure that nobody went so far as to into? You should consider thinking about taking action so that actions can never be so far read into as to make things. Its really a vast undertaking that if you try so hard as to figure out, may incite a pain that generally sees into the thing that nobody went so far as into
I want to believe. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
531
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:40:22 -
[100] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote: Oh but you don't understand. I am not its employee. I am Rote Kapelle.
Sweet. Other things still apply.
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:42:38 -
[101] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Our empty clones without implants? That is a free service provided to all.
Your pilot's license is a free service provided to all? I'll let the Jita market know they should drop the prices on PLEX, then. Ahh, so you're moving your goalposts around. Cute. Hope they're light. If you'd like to look into the cost of the pilots license rather than the clone contract, we spent roughly two hours of time for three pilots. At a current rate of 1.124bn ISK for 720 hours of piloting, this cost us about 9.3666 million ISK. Not even a blip. I'm not moving the goalposts at all. I said money's fungible and you've benefited from association with Rote and Morwen. You're the one who took that to mean the ships. When I said your clone contracts, I wasn't speaking of that clone. I was speaking of the fact that when you die, you wake upGÇöthat you have a clone, at all. That's a function of your pilot's license. How much is waking up worth? That doesn't even factor into account that you also needed to have that license long enough to learn to pilot freighters, and needed to afford the skillsofts for them, including the capital ship skillsoft. So keep trying to claim the cost involved was just the materiel. Because it wasn't, and I never limited my focus to that very, very minor part of all this.
That might be true, if my entire existence was purely for that one attack, and vanished immediately after. We do not maintain pilots licenses for just that one attack. We did not learn to pilot freighters just for that one attack. This attack was merely a part of our story, and when calculating the cost you can only look at things that were used up by it, not things that existed before it, will exist after it, and remained unaffected by doing it.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1669
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:42:44 -
[102] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Oh but you don't understand. I am not its employee. I am Rote Kapelle.
What ? You're all of Rote Kapelle ?
Even Sakura Nihil ?
Gosh !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:45:07 -
[103] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote:Ben Booley wrote:Oh but you don't understand. I am not its employee. I am Rote Kapelle. What ? You're all of Rote Kapelle ? Even Sakura Nihil ? Gosh !
I believe that you will find that that pilot is not one of my minions. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:45:23 -
[104] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:This why we will forever talk past each other.
You are comfortable with what you are, and I am comfortable seeing you in the light of truth which glamour hides for those less accustomed to the raw and ugly products of empire.
Oh, I don't think we're talking past one another at all, Binky. But you're right. I am pretty comfortable actually being a competent communicator who understands how to get a message across. Don't worry though, Aria's right: some day, you'll grow out of the adolescent modes of communication. If you learn basic grammar along the way, you might even prove slightly useful at getting people to throw off the shackles of conformity and mindless obedience to those in power.
Not holdin' my breath, though. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1669
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:47:52 -
[105] - Quote
Oh, you're the CEO of Stimulus now ?
What happened to Bacchanalian ? I remember he accidentally impersonated the Mittani, with hilarious consequences.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:49:01 -
[106] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:I believe that you will find that that pilot is not one of my minions.
Oh, so the champion of freedom and individual agency has minions!
Wow, that's a dismissive freakin' way to refer to the people supporting your cause. Kinda makes them sound like you don't really encourage them to be free or have individual agency.
Almost like you're just another tin-pot warlord lashing out at someone for the crime of being more powerful than you are. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:50:54 -
[107] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote: That might be true, if my entire existence was purely for that one attack, and vanished immediately after. We do not maintain pilots licenses for just that one attack. We did not learn to pilot freighters just for that one attack. This attack was merely a part of our story, and when calculating the cost you can only look at things that were used up by it, not things that existed before it, will exist after it, and remained unaffected by doing it.
Tsk, and now you're completely failing to understand how racketeering works. It doesn't matter if your entire existence was about that one attack, what matters is that everyone who financially contributed to you being in a position to conduct the attack is also culpable.
But keep on trying! Maybe your minions can help you find better excuses.
Edit: Oh, and hey, remember that 'Lady Morwen wasn't involved'?
Combine that with 'I am Rote Kapelle' and you've pretty much said 'If she stays in the Alliance, she supports my actions'. So GOOD JOB making it harder for her friends to trust her, Mr. CEO, you certainly do look after your 'minions' well. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:54:46 -
[108] - Quote
Ben it's rather amazing how triggered the dogs become when words and concepts from power structures come into play.
I believe the word Pavlovian applies. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
531
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Posted - 2016.09.28 19:58:48 -
[109] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Ben it's rather amazing how triggered the dogs become when words and concepts from power structures come into play.
I believe the word Pavlovian applies. You know that there's nothing left to say when the word "triggered" starts flying around. You came to Amarr loyalists and started rubbing your feces all over the place, did you expect a warm welcome?
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1669
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:00:36 -
[110] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:I believe the word Pavlovian applies.
No, it doesn't.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2376
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:00:38 -
[111] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Ben it's rather amazing how triggered the dogs become when words and concepts from power structures come into play.
I believe the word Pavlovian applies.
Oh, lookit that, the 'maximum syntactical complexity' affection drops away! Why, it's almost like you've been full of shite the whole time, and finally realize you're not baffling anyone with your bullcrap.
Are you sure you didn't mean to say 'Chairman Booley, amazement fills my awareness when I observe how intense the visceral reaction from the mendacious lackeys of authority becomes when verbiage and abstract constructions from hierarchical social dynamics are proffered into the discussion'?
Poseur. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2376
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:01:38 -
[112] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:You know that there's nothing left to say when the word "triggered" starts flying around. You came to Amarr loyalists and started rubbing your feces all over the place, did you expect a warm welcome?
Hey now, don't go making assumptions here, man... I'm not an Amarr loyalist. I'm a jackass. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:07:48 -
[113] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:I believe that you will find that that pilot is not one of my minions. Oh, so the champion of freedom and individual agency has minions! Wow, that's a dismissive freakin' way to refer to the people supporting your cause. Kinda makes them sound like you don't really encourage them to be free or have individual agency. Almost like you're just another tin-pot warlord lashing out at someone for the crime of being more powerful than you are.
I call them minions because it amuses them, not because they do my every whim.
They choose to follow me not out of fear, but out of love. Fear of god is how the false empress keeps her subjects in line. Pilots of Rote fear nothing. |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:10:47 -
[114] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Ben it's rather amazing how triggered the dogs become when words and concepts from power structures come into play.
I believe the word Pavlovian applies. You know that there's nothing left to say when the word "triggered" starts flying around. You came to Amarr loyalists and started rubbing your feces all over the place, did you expect a warm welcome?
Flying Black Eagles Automatons Below Me Golden Yet Hollow |
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
18
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:12:53 -
[115] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Ben it's rather amazing how triggered the dogs become when words and concepts from power structures come into play.
I believe the word Pavlovian applies. Oh, lookit that, the 'maximum syntactical complexity' affection drops away! Why, it's almost like you've been full of shite the whole time, and finally realize you're not baffling anyone with your bullcrap. Are you sure you didn't mean to say 'Chairman Booley, amazement fills my awareness when I observe how intense the visceral reaction from the mendacious lackeys of authority becomes when verbiage and abstract constructions from hierarchical social dynamics are proffered into the discussion'? Poseur.
People usually raw ad hominem when their patience for playing another person's song comes to an end.
Thank you for playing.
Our reports are nearly completed. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1669
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:18:31 -
[116] - Quote
go on then, who is "Pavlov" then ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:35:19 -
[117] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:Flying Black Eagles Automatons Below Me Golden Yet Hollow
Like the black eagle in the background on your boss's image there? That's been amusing me all day. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:39:35 -
[118] - Quote
Cheradenine-Zakalwe Amtiskaw wrote:People usually raw ad hominem when their patience for playing another person's song comes to an end.
Thank you for playing.
Our reports are nearly completed.
Ah, the old 'you're resorting to an ad hominem' dodge. Let's review (again):
I'm attacking your sudden abandonment of the affectation you insisted was soooo 'you'. And then I'm calling you a fraud for having the affectation. That's not 'raw ad hominem', that's demonstrating someone's dishonesty, and then simply saying they're dishonest. I'm also mocking you. But it's ok that you missed it, you seem to have missed the fact that I've been doing nothing but mocking you this whole time, Binky. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:44:19 -
[119] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:I call them minions because it amuses them, not because they do my every whim.
They choose to follow me not out of fear, but out of love. Fear of god is how the false empress keeps her subjects in line. Pilots of Rote fear nothing.
Yup. I'm sure they're totally amused at 'hey, the boss is making us out to be minions to people who have no reason to not believe him and will laugh at him and us for it'. Nothing like the guy in charge demonstrating an incredible lack of awareness to get the people whose reputation he's tarnishing to yuck it on up.
I'm sure they do love you. I'm sure they love looking ineffective and ridiculous like they did last night, too. Heck, they probably even love getting pissed on in public like you're doing now. Such an effective leader. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
25
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:47:34 -
[120] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ben Booley wrote:I call them minions because it amuses them, not because they do my every whim.
They choose to follow me not out of fear, but out of love. Fear of god is how the false empress keeps her subjects in line. Pilots of Rote fear nothing. Yup. I'm sure they're totally amused at 'hey, the boss is making us out to be minions to people who have no reason to not believe him and will laugh at him and us for it'. Nothing like the guy in charge demonstrating an incredible lack of awareness to get the people whose reputation he's tarnishing to yuck it on up. I'm sure they do love you. I'm sure they love looking ineffective and ridiculous like they did last night, too. Heck, they probably even love getting pissed on in public like you're doing now. Such an effective leader.
Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks. |
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
532
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:50:18 -
[121] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote: Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.
You can repair a 15-something kilometers long ship in a couple of seconds? Do tell.
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William Danneskjold
98
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Posted - 2016.09.28 20:59:38 -
[122] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Ben Booley wrote: Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.
You can repair a 15-something kilometers long ship in a couple of seconds? Do tell.
I have to admit, that puzzles me too. *messes up his own hair, holds his hands about a half meter apart, and deadpans* Apostles.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
532
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:03:16 -
[123] - Quote
William Danneskjold wrote: I have to admit, that puzzles me too. Apostles.
Apostles? These kind of repairs are good for something makeshift. You know, to make sure the ship survives the engagement and doesn't fall apart, or its power systems don't implode. Proper maintenance takes time, resources, people, drones, tests and a proper dockyard.
I am not sure why I'm telling you all this, but here you go.
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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
537
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:16:24 -
[124] - Quote
William Danneskjold wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:Ben Booley wrote: Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.
You can repair a 15-something kilometers long ship in a couple of seconds? Do tell. I have to admit, that puzzles me too. *messes up his own hair, holds his hands about a half meter apart, and deadpans* Apostles.
It sounds like there's structural damage, and armor reps can't fix that. And we all know how hard it is to run hull repairs outside of station.
I guess what I'm trying to say is Nanite Paste Can't Heal Trit Beams.
Besides, it's the Empress's ship. The repairs could probably take just a week or two to meet most standards, but I'm sure TES Purity must be more than perfect.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:20:27 -
[125] - Quote
Ben Booley wrote:Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.
Yup. Because locally-fitted nanoassemblers couldn't rebuild the plates in a matter of hours, just like we do regularly. Let's be honest, Purity is going to be in gravdock for eight weeks because they'll want to take the time to make sure the freighters weren't a distraction, with the explosions being used as a way to crack the plates and get something else inside the hull. So they're going to be cautious, what with the whole 'insurrection', and they're going to make a big show of going over the ship to 'fix' everything while they quintuple-check every bulkhead for hidden bombs or surveillance systems, let the crew who were injured by the concussive force heal up, and redouble the background checks on all of them.
Meanwhile, the non-capsuleer Empress has no reason to need the ship in the intervening time. It's not going to be part of normal combat patrols. It's there in case she needs to go someplace. Which she doesn't, and won't for the forseeable future, as she's likely to be busy getting settled into the business of being Empress for the next while. They say the first hundred days is important, after all.
So why rush things? Put it in gravdock for eight weeks. Take it nice and slow, and be thorough. The ship is almost certainly already combat-ready again. The six Apostle-class Force Auxiliaries that were present would have needed roughly thirteen minutes to completely rebuild the armor plate across the entire ship, even if it had been completely stripped, which we all know it wasn't. What's more, you know that. You're not RoninGÇöyou're just as capable as I am of doing the math on the performance specifications of an Apostle and how long it takes to rebuild the armor plate on an Avatar-class titan, even taking into account the new capital-scale plates. Even pretending you buy into the 'we crippled the ship for eight weeks' nonsense for purposes of your own chest-beating just makes you look more clownish than before.
So yes. You made a big splash that was pretty much erased by the time you got here to brag. Which means it had no effect.
Which makes you ineffective. And investing so much effort into bragging about your ineffectiveness? It's one thing from a line member. In the guy who's supposedly running the whole Alliance and should have better things to do with his time? It's ridiculous. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:26:02 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Apostles? These kind of repairs are good for something makeshift. You know, to make sure the ship survives the engagement and doesn't fall apart, or its power systems don't implode. Proper maintenance takes time, resources, people, drones, tests and a proper dockyard.
That's actually not true. While the nanobot assemblers used on an Apostle's primary remote assistance systems focus on armor plate, systemic damage can be addressed via the use of Type II Heavy Hull Maintenance bots. The nanoassemblers they dispense interface with the ship's systems in order to rebuild structure and critical systems according to the ship's internal schematics. That's why, even though every capital ship has small variations in the placement of consoles, paneling, and even minor structural elements, the nanoassemblers can be used on every ship, even in the case of logibots picked up adrift in space only moments before, all without having to load specialized scripts or datasets.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
533
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:35:03 -
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Yeah, that's actually not true, Arrendis. Or we'd have Avatars built in an hour, repairs and refittings done in a second.
Sounds crazy, right?
Empress's ship may as well be full of hand-crafted gold statues of, I don't know, Amarr Heroes or something. People pay top notch money for this kind of stuff.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2383
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:36:50 -
[128] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Yeah, that's actually not true, Arrendis. Or we'd have Avatars built in an hour, repairs and refittings done in a second.
Sounds crazy, right?
Building is a far more complicated thing than the repairs are. My numbers reflect actual operation in-space for ships that remain in perfect operational condition despite not having seen the inside of a gravdock for years.
Repairs are not the delay here. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
533
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:40:56 -
[129] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: Building is a far more complicated thing than the repairs are. My numbers reflect actual operation in-space for ships that remain in perfect operational condition despite not having seen the inside of a gravdock for years.
Repairs are not the delay here.
I think I'll leave you to your fantasies.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6438
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Posted - 2016.09.28 22:16:08 -
[130] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:Yeah, that's actually not true, Arrendis. Or we'd have Avatars built in an hour, repairs and refittings done in a second.
Sounds crazy, right? Building is a far more complicated thing than the repairs are. My numbers reflect actual operation in-space for ships that remain in perfect operational condition despite not having seen the inside of a gravdock for years. Repairs are not the delay here.
If I was in charge of the Empress's barge, I'd do a damn sight more than just repair the battle damage. I'd probably cut entire sections of the hull and frame away and scratch-build replacements.
I'd also do more than pull modules and systems off the shelf. I'm sure it'll take eight weeks to finish but I'm also sure everything will be very carefully manufactured to order out of materials that are purpose-mined by extremely trusted resource gatherers.
They probably ARE manufacturing all the effected sections from scratch.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
533
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Posted - 2016.09.28 22:20:02 -
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I sure wouldn't like to serve on goon ships. Never know when the duct tape falls off along with the hull, warp core and engines.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6441
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Posted - 2016.09.28 22:29:26 -
[132] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:I sure wouldn't like to serve on goon ships. Never know when the duct tape falls off along with the hull, warp core and engines.
You should see some of the armour plate welds on my Condors and Merlins, Jaret. I doubt that disposable but functional standards apply to the Imperial titan, is all.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2386
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Posted - 2016.09.28 22:33:54 -
[133] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:They probably ARE manufacturing all the affected sections from scratch.
That's certainly a possibility. I still think it's more likely an overabundance of caution.
And Jaret: One of these days, perhaps you'll get a clue.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
533
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Posted - 2016.09.28 22:38:26 -
[134] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: And Jaret: One of these days, perhaps you'll get a clue.
I've pissed off so many "powerful" people, they'd need to get in line to give me their clues.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2386
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Posted - 2016.09.28 22:57:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:I've pissed off so many "powerful" people, they'd need to get in line to give me their clues.
Why would they give you their clues? I'm sure they need them. |
Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
122
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Posted - 2016.09.28 23:15:10 -
[136] - Quote
My actions and involvement were my own and Rote Kapelle's, and were in no way connected to the Order of Jamyl, of which I forfeit my membership, or the other Amarr entities with whom I have interacted.
Never not badpost.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
568
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Posted - 2016.09.29 02:48:50 -
[137] - Quote
Nano assemblers like the ones projected during tether can repair a ship very quickly.
Either way, 8 weeks or a few minutes, you are still bragging about failing to do anything else but inconvenience the largest nation in New Eden and the richest person in New Eden for a short time. Rote feels that this is some crowning achievement that demonstrates their "noble" ideals. It is not.
An impotent terrorist who swayed no people and had no message.
"Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
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Kador Ouryon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
137
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Posted - 2016.09.29 04:50:33 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote:I'm actually inclined to thank you lot. Watching the Empress not give a flying **** while your terror plot unraveled around her was the single greatest piece of television I've seen since war broadcasts from Operation Highlander.
Morgan... never change you smirking bastard.
What fills the soul?
Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms.
Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold.
A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat.
Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash.
In the wake of fire.
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Lister Stark
Vic Johnson's bait shop Rote Works
1
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Posted - 2016.09.29 05:49:43 -
[139] - Quote
We were not trying to sway those who would take the collar upon themselves and call it a gift, but if it feeds into your feeling of self-worth then so be it. The message was seen by those who needed to see it. The point was not to kill the Empress... that would have just been an added benefit. So you can bicker about the relevance of our deeds, or the lasting effects on the "Empire." Your words here will not change what is to come, and they are nothing but a passing fancy to us. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2847
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Posted - 2016.09.29 06:10:50 -
[140] - Quote
Seraphim Risen wrote:At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.
As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.
Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals. Your attempt to sabotage the Empire has been noticed. Enjoy your status as an enemy of the Empire, the State and the rest of civilized humanity. But please keep in mind...
All enemies of the State WILL DIE.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
896
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Posted - 2016.09.29 07:04:52 -
[141] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Did this incident wuth Purity extremists not teach you anything?
- A lawsuit from Pend. Don't think they take kindly to their reputation being blackened by bad press. - Termination of your cloning contracts. You are still on CONCORD leash. - Outlawing of your organisations. Saw Serpentis? Yeah. Turn on the media machine, place a price tag, promise rewards and you are done.
I think you are not quite aware that you can be undone in mere moments. This is the reality. You have caused enough headache to good people in your organisation and I really don't understand why you are still its employees. I don't know if you're a naif or an idealistic idiot. This is what Rote Kapelle is. Lady Lagann is an outlier, not the baseline. As far as what is going to happen to Rote: nothing. Do you actually think that CONCORD is going to deactivate the clones of an entire alliance just because they tried to kill the Empress? A few years ago, I tried to arrange an assassination of one of the Tribal chiefs. I think that MiniLuv tried to hit the Starkmanir one, but I'd have to go look. Not only did Goonswarm make the attempt, they exposed that CONCORD was illegally letting the Minmatar use their shielding technology, which is why the assassination attempt failed. (Sorry, Arrendis.) Nothing happened to Goons. Nothing happened to me. Nothing happened to Warr's fleet. There was a security status hit, but that was all. Rote Kapelle already lives in low security space. People already try to kill them. I am sure that if someone sent pilots after them, they would just enjoy the targets. The Serpentis are just targets to capsuleers, Rote can fight back. As far as a lawsuit goes, I had an explanation, but I can't type and laugh at the same time.
You might be thinking of the time CONCORD dropped the hammer on you all for Tukoss's brain. The simple fact is that they got away with it because they had leverage on you all. You were weak. Any of the other capsuleer groups would have laughed and gone back to ignoring CONCORD.
As for me? I get it. I'm leashed. But I know what it's like to run free in the wild. And Rote doesn't give a ****. None of this will be settled with words, or in a court room. It will be settled in space, vi et armis. Either put missiles in your tubes or shut up.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
534
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Posted - 2016.09.29 10:45:28 -
[142] - Quote
Idealistic idiot? Funny to read that from you, Alizabeth. I heard you had some sort of breakdown, perhaps a prayer and a calm evening in church will help with that?
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1977
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Posted - 2016.09.29 11:00:45 -
[143] - Quote
CONCORD appears more than happy to allow capsuleers to resolve their issues among themselves. Which essentially means if you're any good at the old ultraviolence the consequences for any actions undertaken, no matter how terrible or atrocious others may find it, remains effectively nil.
From personal experience, about the only real consequence of upsetting Amarrian loyalist capsuleers was...
...
...
...oh, right, they don't invite you to their parties anymore. Yeah, that was about it.
All the ones I faced in direct combat were about as useful at it as a chocolate tea cup.
Still, their crews did let me send that joke birthday present about cultural relativism, existential apathy, and edginess to Kernher a few months back. Praise be the bounties of divine providence. Deus Vult, etcetera.
I bet none of her friends or comrades even remembered. Those Monsters.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
534
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Posted - 2016.09.29 11:15:26 -
[144] - Quote
I just cut myself reading that. Look at how edgy and nihilistic you are.
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Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1403
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Posted - 2016.09.29 11:25:28 -
[145] - Quote
I will point out it's a little more then just not coming to parties.
Every Amarr loyalist now has to question if it is appropriate to be seen in Drifter Fleets commanded by pilots from Rote. This affects ARC just as much as it does Lady Steward Lagann's corporation. CVA is still discussing its position on this so I can't comment further.
For other events hosted by pilots from Rote like the up coming AT viewing party, again the same question applies. Pilots from the Rote alliance that have little or nothing to do with this forum, or the wider capsuleer community we are a part of, have singlehandedly caused a diplomatic mess that the adults are going to have to sort out. Potentially for years to come.
It's these repercussions and the affect that they will have on genuine friendships that is at stake. I'm hoping for the sake of Lady Steward Lagann that we'll be able to move past this issue and continue as normal, but that just isn't guaranteed at this point.
For the sake of 'keks' as much as political statement, Rote has landed a number of their own pilots a pile of **** to deal with that they just plain didn't deserve, and it's already spreading to affect other groups and their interests.
I kindly ask again that the dog pile ends, everyone moves on, and we can be left to pick up the pieces of the ties damaged by this. Ties damaged quite directly by Rote's own hands.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
124
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Posted - 2016.09.29 11:53:33 -
[146] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.
As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.
Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals. Your attempt to sabotage the Empire has been noticed. Enjoy your status as an enemy of the Empire, the State and the rest of civilized humanity. But please keep in mind... All enemies of the State WILL DIE.
I live in Tartoken, sweethear.
Never not badpost.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2607
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Posted - 2016.09.29 12:38:56 -
[147] - Quote
The efforts of anarchists now are as futile as they a decade or more ago.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2849
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Posted - 2016.09.29 12:41:12 -
[148] - Quote
Seraphim Risen wrote: I live in Tartoken, sweethear.
Thank you for the invitation! I'll surely write it down and come to meet you in person, or even better - to flash you with my shining hull. However, I am a bit busy currently in our space dealing with those capsuleers, whose attacks actually manage to cause some sort of destruction... besides their own vessels, obviously.
Priorities, ya know.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1978
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Posted - 2016.09.29 16:02:48 -
[149] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:I just cut myself reading that. Look at how edgy and nihilistic you are.
And have a slow clap at an appropriately slow cadence. Truly, your astuteness will be renowned down the ages my good sir.
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2016.09.29 16:31:21 -
[150] - Quote
It warms my heart to see the "slavery cultists" and their apologists squaring off against the null criminals. This is almost as good as the crap that was spewed in Amarr local chat on coronation day. |
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
47
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Posted - 2016.09.29 16:31:26 -
[151] - Quote
Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens!
P-NXT is recruiting.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2016.09.29 17:07:15 -
[152] - Quote
Merchant Rova wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens! Even criminals and terrorists?
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
47
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Posted - 2016.09.29 17:41:27 -
[153] - Quote
Luna Hanaya wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens! Even criminals and terrorists? And to some they are freedom fighters.
P-NXT is recruiting.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2398
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:01:17 -
[154] - Quote
Alizabeth Vea wrote:A few years ago, I tried to arrange an assassination of one of the Tribal chiefs. I think that MiniLuv tried to hit the Starkmanir one, but I'd have to go look. Not only did Goonswarm make the attempt, they exposed that CONCORD was illegally letting the Minmatar use their shielding technology, which is why the assassination attempt failed. (Sorry, Arrendis.)
Don't apologize. A target's a target, and it would've been splashy as hell. Would I have been pissed off if you'd succeeded? Probably. I might even have headed home to start working on some sort of retribution strike. But you didn't, and just trying it is Goony as feck. Difference is, nobody in CONDI is out there owing fealty to the Republic, or to the Tribal Chiefs. The Matari in the swarm? We're not part of the power structure. A holder is, however minorly. Just the attempt places her in a position where she cannot be loyal to both sides of the conflict. The Republic likely would've branded us all criminals if you'd succeeded. But they forgive that sort of thing with a bit of work.
The Empire doesn't seem the sorts to be forgiving of associating with those who attempt regicide.
Jaret Victorian wrote:Idealistic idiot? Funny to read that from you, Alizabeth. I heard you had some sort of breakdown, perhaps a prayer and a calm evening in church will help with that?
She's not the one who had the breakdown.
She's also not the one who has to worry about HoleSquad's leash being slipped in a bunch of very specific C2 systems. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
537
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:23:59 -
[155] - Quote
Look at you, having a finger in every pie, as if some sort of an ultimate spymaster.
The "supervillain" bravado is getting old, Arrendis. I almost imagined you in a chair, striking a feline, staring at a screen.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
901
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:25:40 -
[156] - Quote
Careful now, Mr. Victorian. ARC and I parted ways on more or less amicable terms. I would hate for you to change that. I did say you could have been a naif. If the shoe fits, you must wear it.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
537
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:27:05 -
[157] - Quote
Alizabeth Vea wrote:Careful now, Mr. Victorian. ARC and I parted ways on more or less amicable terms. I would hate for you to change that. I did say you could have been a naif. If the shoe fits, you must wear it. I see when people try to manipulate me. Please don't.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
321
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:00:10 -
[158] - Quote
I don't know, it seems Mr Booly should give more open and definitive answer. After 4th or 5th time who would have any doubt that he personally don't care, just saying. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:09:02 -
[159] - Quote
Merchant Rova wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens! Even criminals and terrorists? And to some they are freedom fighters. And? That doesn't make them even iota better.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2398
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:11:02 -
[160] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Look at you, having a finger in every pie, as if some sort of an ultimate spymaster.
The "supervillain" bravado is getting old, Arrendis. I almost imagined you in a chair, striking a feline, staring at a screen.
Not a finger in every pie, Victorian. Not even close. Just a keen appreciation of how much fun some of my compatriots would get out of blowing up those Basilisks. Do you think for one moment that they wouldn't? Do you think they'd have any problems doing it? It's one thing when you've got one of our along to keep you safe. It's quite another once you start taking cheap shots at her in public. |
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8700
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:46:07 -
[161] - Quote
This discussion has veered rather far from its topic. Shall we return to it?
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Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
125
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:04:05 -
[162] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:I don't know, it seems Mr Booly should give more open and definitive answer. After 4th or 5th time who would have any doubt that he personally don't care, just saying.
Open and definitive answer to what?
Never not badpost.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:04:54 -
[163] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:This discussion has veered rather far from its topic. Shall we return to it?
Gladly. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
47
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:05:15 -
[164] - Quote
Luna Hanaya wrote: And? That doesn't make them even iota better.
My point is, what you think of as "Terrorists" (IE Minmatar rebelling), others see as freedom fighters, including me. So yes, it does make them better than your description.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:17:49 -
[165] - Quote
Merchant Rova wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote: And? That doesn't make them even iota better.
My point is, what you think of as "Terrorists" (IE Minmatar rebelling), others see as freedom fighters, including me. So yes, it does make them better than your description. I can call them terrorists, I can call them freedom fighters. It changes nothing and sounds almost the same. Just terrorist is shorter to say: one word instead of two. Both of definitions are right, but neither of these definitions will make them sound as good people.
Both 'terrorist' and 'freedom fighter' mean that they are sinners, mass-murderers and warmongers, who don't value people lives.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:43:29 -
[166] - Quote
Luna Hanaya wrote:I can call them terrorists, I can call them freedom fighters. It changes nothing and sounds almost the same. Just terrorist is shorter to say: one word instead of two. Both of definitions are right, but neither of these definitions will make them sound as good people.
Both 'terrorist' and 'freedom fighter' mean that they are sinners, mass-murderers and warmongers, who don't value people lives.
It would seem you fail to understand how the two terms play in the rest of the cluster. Or, really, what the two terms even actually mean.
A 'terrorist' is someone who engages in violence in order to cause fear and public panic, so that pressure is applied to meet their political demands. They commonly attack non-combatants and civilian populations whose only connection to, or ability to respond to those demands, is the political pressure they can exert. An example would be if a bunch of Gallente started detonating explosives in the middle of civilian populations on Amarr stations of in Amarr cities, with a stated goal of forcing the Empire to abandon its alliance with the State.
A 'freedom fighter', by contrast, is one who engages in violence in order to promote the self-determination of a population or segments of a population, normally his own, who do not have self-determination under the current order. This is generally seen as a beneficial goal, even among the majority of the State's political class, who understand that the words 'freedom' and 'chaos' are not, in fact, synonyms, and recognize that the Caldari State's war against the Federation began as a war for self-determination.
While many 'freedom fighters' resort to terrorism in their struggle, it's also entirely possible for 'freedom fighters' to limit their activities to legitimate military targetsGÇöwhich includes heads of State, especially when on a military vessel surrounded by their military honor guard. In fact, as most 'freedom fighters' oppose a significantly more militarily powerful force, if they do conduct legitimate asymmetric warfare without engaging in terrorist activities, the reason for those tactics is that they specifically do put a high value on individual lives, and take great pains to avoid civilian casualtiesGÇömilitary casualties, of course, even in an asymmetric war, are not 'murders'. Moreover, in these situations, they will often have exhausted the political options they believe are reasonable, and generally have a very public, accessible, and highly subjective piece of documentation that lays out the steps taken to resolve the situation peacefully, and makes the case for why the status quo is an oppressive system. This documentation, which will be as easily available as they can make it, will also explain why the (subjectively, at least) oppressive system is tantamount to a declaration of war on the part of those in power.
'Sinner', of course, is an entirely subjective determination, made by those in a position of authority over your religionGÇöat least until such time as it can be proven to be a direct determination made by God. That, however, would first require God himself be proven to exist. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
667
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:48:13 -
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I have a different question. It seems to me that Lady Seraphim Risen has gone from "someone mildly pro-Amarr" to "someone who attempts to assassinate the Amarr Empress" all at once with no particularly satisfying explanation given for this change. Might we request such an explanation? I mean, it is not as if the Amarr Empire is much less opposed the the ideals of Rote Kapelle this week as it was last week, no? |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:00:45 -
[168] - Quote
I was just going to assume she's lost her mind and any explanation is not worth the effort of figuring out. Such as with you.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
183
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:01:27 -
[169] - Quote
Capsuleer Dementia? |
Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
125
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:04:33 -
[170] - Quote
Perhaps its because few have ever actually talked to me about my beliefs over the last six to nine months? I'll keep that to myself, though. Am I mad? Probably. Am I unstable? Most likely.
Never not badpost.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:11:10 -
[171] - Quote
Probably because your beliefs are not valid if they lead you to something like this. Someone might have listened before this betrayal, but not now.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
667
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:18:45 -
[172] - Quote
Seraphim Risen wrote:Perhaps its because few have ever actually talked to me about my beliefs over the last six to nine months? I'll keep that to myself, though. Am I mad? Probably. Am I unstable? Most likely.
I'm sorry that I wasn't around to ask you about your beliefs, madam. You sound lonely. I hope you get your sanity and stability back. |
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
38
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:18:54 -
[173] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:This is generally seen as a beneficial goal, even among the majority of the State's political class, who understand that the words 'freedom' and 'chaos' are not, in fact, synonyms, and recognize that the Caldari State's war against the Federation began as a war for self-determination. Excuse me for intervening into your discussion with Ms. Hanaya, but on other hand it doesn't matter much since you yourself built your whole reply on a Caldari State - a topic that I have been researching for several years, trying to get their citizenship, and a topic which I assume has nothing to do with Ms. Hanaya's reply.
And as someone who actually did some background study about the State, I simply can't stand obvious disinformation you include in your reply. Namely - your sentence that I have quoted. I have given you already a thorough reply how freedom and chaos in official Napanii language are polyseme (no, not a synonym) here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6655065#post6655065 And I am utterly disappointed you still failed to understand it. Synonyms are multiple words with a single meaning, while a polyseme is a single word with multiple meanings. I bet you reference them as 'synonyms' after Diana's speeches (who unfortunately loves speaking about freedom because of her political inclination, causing a lot of unnecessary confusion and misunderstanding) , but that only shows that you have failed to understand that trivial linguistic phenomenon. And it makes it twice worse that you failed to understand it even after the explanation.
There are a lot of other languages in the State, and while most of them are derivatives of ancient Caldari, modern speakers of Caldari dialects from different regions won't even understand each other. But these dialects are considered 'street' languages, which you don't speak in high society. Thus, we could make assumption that actually State's political class speaks on Napanii to show their affiliation with elites and educated class, and therefore we can expect that speakers from State's political class won't distinguish words 'chaos' and 'freedom' as well.
On the other hand, they could speak 'street'-level language, but then it won't be State's political class, but rather State's marginal class that loves to banter about political events. Unfortunately, I haven't studied them that deep and know words for 'chaos' and 'freedom' only from the official Napanii language - 'vaajpa'. But since you have been claiming otherwise, maybe you will actually show that you have something behind your reply rather than trivial attempt at trolling and show us that unlike me you know some dialects of native Caldari languages.
Please tell us, what are words for 'freedom' and 'chaos' in the dialect of Caldari language that you were referencing?
State the nature of your medical emergency
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Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
125
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:27:34 -
[174] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Probably because your beliefs are not valid if they lead you to something like this. Someone might have listened before this betrayal, but not now.
Mine wasn't the first betrayal.
Nauplius wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:Perhaps its because few have ever actually talked to me about my beliefs over the last six to nine months? I'll keep that to myself, though. Am I mad? Probably. Am I unstable? Most likely. I'm sorry that I wasn't around to ask you about your beliefs, madam. You sound lonely. I hope you get your sanity and stability back.
I'm far from lonely! I have voices! In my head! Not really, but its an old joke.
Never not badpost.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1378
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:31:26 -
[175] - Quote
Beliefs not being valid due to them causing violence......... Pretty sure my ancestors would have something to say on that regard. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:40:31 -
[176] - Quote
I never said her beliefs were not valid due to them causing violence.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:42:08 -
[177] - Quote
Mika Firestorm wrote:I have given you already a thorough reply how freedom and chaos in official Napanii language are polyseme (no, not a synonym) here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6655065#post6655065 And I am utterly disappointed you still failed to understand it. [. . .] Please tell us, what are words for 'freedom' and 'chaos' in the dialect of Caldari language that you were referencing?
I understand it just fine. I also understand a minor detail you seem to overlook: We're not using Napanii right now, are we? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:44:18 -
[178] - Quote
Seraphim Risen wrote: Mine wasn't the first betrayal.
Well, as someone who's certainly not an Amarr loyalist and has enjoyed drinking with you in the past, I'll bite: what was? |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1380
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:51:32 -
[179] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Probably because your beliefs are not valid if they lead you to something like this. Someone might have listened before this betrayal, but not now.
Pretty sure detonating 2 paladin's next to a head of state is an act of violence, then again it's a different kind of violence (one I can't honestly say I fully agree with due to possible collateral damage and the risks)
Ya I'm not going to argue this one, I misread intention. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:08:55 -
[180] - Quote
Of course it's an act of violence. That is not what I find disagreeable.
It was an act of violence against the newly crowned head of the Amarr Empire, my home and the state upon which almost everyone I hold dear depends upon for their security and prosperity.
It's not just violence, it's personal.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1380
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:12:51 -
[181] - Quote
That is true, do you know if the other heads of state were aboard by any chance? |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1605
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:22:34 -
[182] - Quote
They most certainly were not. They departed from the planet and did not accompany the Empress aboard the ship that took her to the military procession.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
809
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:26:38 -
[183] - Quote
Fairly sure everything about that ship, save the knowledge of it's existance, is classified. I'm positive that no outsider is going to board it and live to tell the tale.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2401
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:33:47 -
[184] - Quote
Not so sure about that. As the Empress' personal vessel, it would be the natural place for entertaining diplomatic guests in a highly-controlled environment. Say what you like about 'well, they'd meet on the planet', it's a lot harder for a spy or would-be assassin to try to escape or hide in an enclosed tube surrounded by vacuum than it is on a habitable world. Plenty of places to secret a shuttle landing pad dirtside, too.
And Aldrith: I haven't seen anything about the others departing before the end of the festivities tomorrow. Where's that from? |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
809
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:43:11 -
[185] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Not so sure about that. As the Empress' personal vessel, it would be the natural place for entertaining diplomatic guests in a highly-controlled environment. Say what you like about 'well, they'd meet on the planet', it's a lot harder for a spy or would-be assassin to try to escape or hide in an enclosed tube surrounded by vacuum than it is on a habitable world. Plenty of places to secret a shuttle landing pad dirtside, too.
And Aldrith: I haven't seen anything about the others departing before the end of the festivities tomorrow. Where's that from? Nowhere to hide a shuttle on/in the hull of a 14km long titan? It would make more sense to not let foreigners onboard, use a non-standard layout for the interior to confuse and disorient hostile forces attempting to take the vessel, and keep every piece of hardware not visible from the outside classified. A vessel designed for the soul task of transporting a high profile individual as securely as possible.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2401
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:46:39 -
[186] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Nowhere to hide a shuttle on/in the hull of a 14km long titan?
14km long cylinder with every square centimeter monitored, or planet: which is easier to sneak a shuttle onto? |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1605
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:49:59 -
[187] - Quote
Well, they might not have left Amarr Prime yet, but they definitely were not on the TES Purity. I think the news would have mentioned that the Sanmatar was knocked out of his seat by a terrorist act the likes of which he'd shed a tear of pride over.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2401
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:56:50 -
[188] - Quote
Oh, the news would definitely have mentioned if they were on the ship. I agree they weren't, but that doesn't mean there's no reason they would be. Two different threads of conversation, there. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1381
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Posted - 2016.09.30 00:00:41 -
[189] - Quote
I kinda figured they wouldn't be on the ship, it just doesn't seem like something any leader would do, nevermind the empress. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2402
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Posted - 2016.09.30 04:01:29 -
[190] - Quote
Passenger manifest aside, I'm still curious what the 'first betrayal' was for Sera. |
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