If you're adding skills to the alpha set, can we also get higher levels of the Warp Drive Activation skill? Warping even moderate distances without the skill trained to 4/5, especially with bad capacitor support skills in t1 frigates, is extremely punishing and makes for some really unfun gameplay sitting in the middle of space waiting for your cap to recharge.

If you lapse to Alpha, you will keep ownership of your colonies and they will keep running, but you wonGÇÖt be able to collect any resources from them until going back to Omega State.

Sone i dont se any Point in subing anymore the alpha clones are gona be just fine whit out subing..

They get more and more skill they can do more and more, get acess to more and more of the game.

And we that pay for the game gona get more gankers, more mission item ninja looters, and all i se is a big - on beeing a sub atm.

Atlest they should force all alphas to have green safty on in high sec,

Can you be more specific?

I'd like to welcome all the SP farmers....seriously. Why limit PI but leave a gaping hole with people having as many SP alts as you care to have?

You can make the argument that SP income would be limited vs PI, but will it? Really? I mean I could have 50 SP alts rotating around and extracting 600M ISK every 8.5 days per account. That's 30 BIL every 8.5 days based on current prices and 2500 sp/hr. The number can be adjusted based on might be allowed, etc. But that amount of "passive" income is tremendous.

Now granted, the skill injector market will absolutely crash and will normalize. Maybe that's what CCP is intending....

restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active

I'd like to welcome all the SP farmers....seriously. Why limit PI but leave a gaping hole with people having as many SP alts as you care to have?

You can make the argument that SP income would be limited vs PI, but will it? Really? I mean I could have 50 SP alts rotating around and extracting 600M ISK every 8.5 days per account. That's 30 BIL every 8.5 days based on current prices and 2500 sp/hr. The number can be adjusted based on might be allowed, etc. But that amount of "passive" income is tremendous.

Now granted, the skill injector market will absolutely crash and will normalize. Maybe that's what CCP is intending....

If High Sec ganking is a issue, make it so anyone with a certain Negative Sec standings cant not dock anymore in any high sec NPC station. Let Citadel owners have a sec rating option to allow or disallow based on sec rating. If groups of people are ganking and using a citadel, now people have a target to go after instead of gankers hiding in npc stations.

"The CSMGÇÖs number one focus for Clone States matched the biggest concern from general player f
let's talk about "the potential for abuse and exploitation".
What kind of abuse and exploitation would the multiple login of Alpha brings that multiple login of Omega does not bring?

Skill Extraction will be allowed for Alphas. This is another one of those areas where we can see potential issues down the line with SP farming, but we also really want returning players to have the option to extract old skills if they like. This could be a good path for many returners to go Omega, or just fund for some startup ships and modules. Of course, we wonGÇÖt allow Alphas to extract skills in the Alpha set, but we may need even further restrictions later. ItGÇÖs an easy one for us to keep an eye on so we will just update later with changes if they are needed.

Re-read a few of the dev blogs on it. Alpha chars won't be able to extract alpha skills. This means that you'll have to (1) sub to extract alpha skills, (2) sub to train non-alpha skills you can then extract, or (3) extract skills you trained when you had subbed previously.

There's probably going to be a dip in their price, no doubt, when this first goes live, and it'll probably stay down for the first few months, but it's unlikely to crash and even less likely to be permanent.

Remember: alpha's currently will only have ~5 mil SP (even with the bump to Drones V), but you need 5.5 mil at a minimum to extract. You aren't going to be able to train to an extractable level to get a "freebie" in when you sub.

...I set up 50 of them on the first day and train them into blaster Catalysts. I don't care how long this takes because it's free; I just update skills as required until its done. Then I use them in batches of 15, flying ships that cost less than 1m Isk, to gank haulers.

I could do the same with mining ventures, and have a low but infinitely scale-able source of income with zero overhead.

The only cost to me is buying their ships and skills, and I can earn enough to set one up in ten minutes without breaking a sweat. Since the cost is so trivial, and since multi-boxing lets me scale the numbers up to compensate for low individual power, there is no real in-game barrier to abuse besides how fast I can tab between windows.

By limiting it to one account at least a group of real humans cooperating is required, which is actually quite hard. Especially getting Eve-playing humans to cooperate...

I'd like to welcome all the SP farmers....seriously. Why limit PI but leave a gaping hole with people having as many SP alts as you care to have?

You can make the argument that SP income would be limited vs PI, but will it? Really? I mean I could have 50 SP alts rotating around and extracting 600M ISK every 8.5 days per account. That's 30 BIL every 8.5 days based on current prices and 2500 sp/hr. The number can be adjusted based on might be allowed, etc. But that amount of "passive" income is tremendous.

Now granted, the skill injector market will absolutely crash and will normalize. Maybe that's what CCP is intending....

The only thing to prevent this from happening is locking the racial skills for every character from skill extraction. If you have chosen to be Caldari, there is no need to remove the Alpha Caldari skills (also with Omega status) ... it is your primary faction you have chosen. Eve has consequences!

Let's keep the issue of ganking separately, as there is an easy way to address that with the security settings.

Not surprising coming from a goon....
Your goal is to have as much meat shields as possible, so a system that funnels player automatically to large alliance is to your strict benefit.
I support giving more tools for players to play solo, and not have to have to join larger groups to play the game.

What will happen to omega chars that are RP farming (Datacore) when the revert to alpha?
What will happen with trade orders when a omega char reversts to alpha?
How are taxes apploid to orderst that are put upp by an omega char but are sold during alpha state?

Then I use them in batches of 15, flying ships that cost less than 1m Isk, to gank haulers. Once their sec status gets too low I stop logging them in and make new ones

How hard is it to use anonymous proxy servers, or paid proxy servers? They are easy to use or pretty cheap. Desktop virtualization, even on the windows platform, is simple enough. How many gifted programmers are there that play eve? How hard would it be to create a mutiboxer that uses separate IPs with forged mac addresses for alpha accounts? Very active steps will need to be taken to prevent abuse, which would potentially have an impact upon connectivity and stability, I would guess.

I'm not a very experienced player, but here are my thoughts on the Alpha from my limited knowledge and how I play( Exploration and mining):

- The T1 industrial ships are unbalanced. Gallante has by far the best T1 industrial ships in my opinion. More specialized hauling ships for ore, minerals, and Planetary Interaction commodities

- The exploration ships are unbalanced. I have no desire to fly around in a Magnate... all the other races ships are much better.

- It would be nice to have a one time race change option for older accounts or at least the T1 exploration and industrial ships not locked to race. I know some will say you can start a new character for free so this doesn't matter. I have 8 mil SP and I have no desire to start over. It takes too long. If I unsubbed there is a good chance I would not play at all, if locked to Amarr ships.

Trolls please stay away

I'm not a very experienced player, but here are my thoughts on the Alpha from my limited knowledge and how I play( Exploration and mining):

- The T1 industrial ships are unbalanced. Gallante has by far the best T1 industrial ships in my opinion. More specialized hauling ships for ore, minerals, and Planetary Interaction commodities

- The exploration ships are unbalanced. I have no desire to fly around in a Magnate... all the other races ships are much better.

- It would be nice to have a one time race change option for older accounts or at least the T1 exploration and industrial ships not locked to race. I know some will say you can start a new character for free so this doesn't matter. I have 8 mil SP and I have no desire to start over. It takes too long. If I unsubbed there is a good chance I would not play at all, if locked to Amarr ships.

Trolls please stay away

While an easy solution it's not a good one. The alpha program is aimed at potential paying players and shouldn't have entire areas of activities completely cut off due to fear of current player abuses. It largely defeats the point of allowing alphas in the first place.

And that's somehow a worse solution than massively abusable infinite characters even with poorly conceived gameplay locks? Also there's a very narrow range for solo empowerment that doesn't benefit groups of players who can pool that benefit and exploit it further. Alphas DO NOT fall into that range in any way.

At my gaming desk, i have 3 computers (2 Macs and a winblows machine)

Can I run an alpha on each computer or is that against the EULA?

What if I am running my typical 12 clients doing whatever I do and my son logs in an Alpha on his computer?
Is that a EULA violation?

If I use my Mac and run each client in a "Space" which is a OSX feature which make a virtual machine, can I run as many alphas as I want? I can currently run as many trial accounts as i want for reference... Is this against the EULA?

Mind you, I am asking if it is against the EULA in future tense....

I am curious what the 'line' will be for too many ganks and push for the locked in green mode. Would it be a thing for carebears to take up ganking for a while to make things safe in the long run or am I just too twisted?

I am curious what the 'line' will be for too many ganks and push for the locked in green mode. Would it be a thing for carebears to take up ganking for a while to make things safe in the long run or am I just too twisted?

What abuse are you talking about, exactly?

Hauling things around highsec, that an alt on an existing account with an hour of training will do better? Venture mining for a mil per cargo haul? Last time I made a new mining character I didn't even undock until he could fly a barge. It just wasn't worth the effort. Vexor/Arbitrator ratting for the whopping 10? mil an hour you'll get in null with 5 medium drones and low capped skills? Maybe less if you have to gimp the fit because of bad fitting skills and lack of T2 modules forcing more tank/capacitor over damage.

I do a wide variety of activities with significantly more than one account on one computer. There are a many better ways for me to make use of additional hardware, if I had it, than run a permanent trial account.

But if I first login with Alpha, and then Omega?

We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega.

The topic of high-sec ganking was the first thing to follow after simultaneous logon. This subject is pretty complex, and discussion on it during our first session soaked up 45 minutes without any signs of slowing. The general concern is simple: free accounts will make suicide ganking easier and therefore more common, which is bad.

What exites me the most about this blog:
- your teamfoto

It will crash ...

Have a look at this simple Skill Trader farm ... however you have to rotate your toons, but there is no Alpha account limitation!
Currently a Skill trader sells 4 Skill Injectors for more than 1 Plex + 4 Skill extractors
With Alpha they will:
- Train a new Alpha to 5m SP
- Plex the account
- Learn 2m SP non-Alpha skills (to 7m)
- Extract 2m SP Alpha skills (3m Alpha/2m Omega left) ... 1 Plex to 4 Injectors
- Train Alpha again to 5m SP
- Plex the account
- Learn 2m SP non-Alpha skills (to 9m)
- Extract 4m SP Alpha skill (1m Alpha/4m Omega left) ... 1 Plex for 8 Injectors (income doubled!)
- Train Alpha again to 5m SP
- Plex the account
- learn 2m SP non-Alpha skills (to 11m)
- Extract 5m SP Alpha skill + 1m Omega skills (5m Omega left) ... 1 Plex for 12 Injectors (income doubled!)
- ... repeat
However at the end you will have every 5 month 14 Injectors for 1 Plex for each toon ... therefore Skill Injectors will crash in the next year, because this is an easy safe way to get 100th of billions in one year.
If your skill farm has 50 toons now ... you have to create 300 toons and rotate them for a regular income in the future.
If they do it right now, they will start with no alpha skills in november and can start with the largest number of Skill Extractors early 2017.

The only thing to prevent this from happening is locking the racial skills for every character from skill extraction. If you have chosen to be Caldari, there is no need to remove the Alpha Caldari skills (also with Omega status) ... it is your primary faction you have chosen. Eve has consequences!
However this is possibly CCPs intention to push the skill injectors price down to have this more affordable for new players.

It will not ruin the game, it will just ruin the profit to extract any SP from Omega toons.

Sone i dont se any Point in subing anymore the alpha clones are gona be just fine whit out subing..

They get more and more skill they can do more and more, get acess to more and more of the game.

And we that pay for the game gona get more gankers, more mission item ninja looters, and all i se is a big - on beeing a sub atm.

Atlest they should force all alphas to have green safty on in high sec,

The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free

They aren't getting the game for free. They're getting a time-unlimited trial account, with slightly-looser restrictions.

Alpha skills will let them be okay within a very limited subset of activities, but to actually excel at something or to expand which horizons they can achieve, they'll have to pony up some scratch.

EVE is a big game. There's a lot to learn and a lot to take in which must be done in a very short amount of time. A two- to three-week trial account doesn't cut it. The limitations on Alpha accounts are pretty decent, and are being made specifically to let new players have a real taste of the game (which is impossible to achieve in just a few weeks) without offering them the entire thing.

Right now, you're basically crying because someone got a free bite-sized sample from a grocery kiosk while you're paying for the full box. The goal of the former is to lead to the latter, though presumably without so much whining.

Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence.

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.

SO my position remains the same....our group will be burning every alpha clone that leaves a newb system, we will also make sure that any ship they can fly will be overpriced tenfold... Basically they will have two choices...buy a catalyst for 30 million or go out of newb system and get ganked. :) nice gameplay for them i tell you.

There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach.


@Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow)

There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach.


@Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow)

Unless you have their API there is no way to actually know if they are an Alpha or not.

I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit?

24 hour.

put it in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA?

Can you be more specific?

So I have second computer and i start an alpha account on that one and I got 3 omegas on my first computer will that be against the EULA.

You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose.

At my gaming desk, i have 3 computers (2 Macs and a winblows machine)

Can I run an alpha on each computer or is that against the EULA?

What if I am running my typical 12 clients doing whatever I do and my son logs in an Alpha on his computer?
Is that a EULA violation?

If I use my Mac and run each client in a "Space" which is a OSX feature which make a virtual machine, can I run as many alphas as I want? I can currently run as many trial accounts as i want for reference... Is this against the EULA?

Mind you, I am asking if it is against the EULA in future tense....

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