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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2839
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Posted - 2016.10.18 13:07:58 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:There is no place in New Eden for small groups and individual game play, we are slowly getting forced out.. Yes there is. It's called the NPC station and is still there like it always has been. This, and if the risk/reward of the new structures is too bad, this is actually a buff to NPC production. There are no plans currently to alter the tax structure of NPC stations (as said by CCP Fozzie), which is good and takes away a lot of my concerns. Exactly. Everyone approaches a big change from the perspective of how it will affect their activities sometimes forgetting that it will affect all their competitors the same way.
There was so much teeth-gnashing over the increase in broker fees/taxes that came with Citadel, most of it from players just looking at the current market and with the assumption it would not change and thus their operations would be no longer profitable. Well the market adjusted and market traders are making ISK as before, only now there is some additional game play around Fortizar markets that has enriched the game and provided new avenues of trading strategy.
The ECs will be the same. For many players that might mean moving to a NPC station when their POS gets shut down, but all of their rivals will be in exactly the same boat. The market will adjust to the new situation and profits will be similar, yet there will be an option there for players to get a slightly bigger piece of the pie if they band together or cut a deal with someone who owns an EC. Some will, some won't, but the game will be more interesting and strategic because of that option.
NPC stations and NPC corporations exist so small group and solo players can play the game. If you want an emergent universe with targets in it however, there does need to be incentives for players to organize and to take risks. You can choose how much risk or how much player interaction you want, but those choices come with scaling rewards. Complaining that a solo player with no assets at risk can't earn as much as a large, organized group with billions of vulnerable assets in space is a little silly.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3030
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Posted - 2016.10.18 13:50:30 -
[602] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote: There was so much teeth-gnashing over the increase in broker fees/taxes that came with Citadel
That's a different story, because CCP put a penalty on everybody making trade more difficult, costly and slower, altering the system as a whole and not individual setups.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2839
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Posted - 2016.10.18 14:14:25 -
[603] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote: There was so much teeth-gnashing over the increase in broker fees/taxes that came with Citadel
That's a different story, because CCP put a penalty on everybody making trade more difficult, costly and slower, altering the system as a whole and not individual setups. Same here. Everyone is losing the current POS system and being forced back into the more costly NPC stations with a new alternative to reduce those costs. The system is changing as a whole. Your competition has to deal with the rejiggering of the system exactly as you do.
The complaint that for some people, that means the NPC station is the best for them and they lose the ability to manage an player owned structure is a valid one. But from the economic perspective, all industrialists are on equal footing and if NPC stations turn out to be the best for most of them, prices will rise to cover the increased NPC fees and everyone will be in the same place. If some of them then decide to take the risk to use the new structures to grab a little more of the profit, then the others have to respond by taking some risk and doing the same (or exploding their rivals!), or keeping their safety and settling for a slightly smaller slice of the pie.
I wouldn't write-off the solo industrialist quite yet. Even now, industrialists make profits in NPC stations with insane indices like Jita. By making these structures costly to run and specialized to specific types of production, the NPC stations will be an even more competitive alternative for many industrial operations. All that is happening is that the backbone of industry is being move from solo, invulnerable, and annoying POSes, back to NPC stations where it should have been all along for solo industry. Honestly, I bet a lot of industrialists will be happy not to have to deal with the hassle of running a POS if they can get similar profits from basing out of an NPC station.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
291
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Posted - 2016.10.18 14:46:01 -
[604] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote:[quote=Sgt Ocker]There is no place in New Eden for small groups and individual game play, we are slowly getting forced out.. Yes there is. It's called the NPC station and is still there like it always has been. Complaining that a solo player with no assets at risk can't earn as much as a large, organized group with billions of vulnerable assets in space is a little silly.
Well, up to now, the solo player had some assets at risk. Most would still like to put some assets at risk, but it just doesn't make much sense any longer. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3030
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Posted - 2016.10.18 15:01:37 -
[605] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote: There was so much teeth-gnashing over the increase in broker fees/taxes that came with Citadel
That's a different story, because CCP put a penalty on everybody making trade more difficult, costly and slower, altering the system as a whole and not individual setups. Same here. Everyone is losing the current POS system and being forced back into the more costly NPC stations with a new alternative to reduce those costs. The system is changing as a whole. Your competition has to deal with the rejiggering of the system exactly as you do. Personally I'm an NPC station producer, always been ... but was looking forward into the option of the new ECs, and got disappointed so far. But I'm able to continue that way and not being forced into the new structure system as with the broker fee changes.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 15:23:27 -
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FUEL NUMBERS ON THE TEST SERVER FOR THE 2 RESEARCH MODUELS! both the research modules cost 5 blocks each. the manufacturing service still costs 20 but im ok with this now. 30 blocks with a 25% decrease makes it around 22.5 blocks? WAY better! |
Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
474
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Posted - 2016.10.18 15:31:55 -
[607] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote: There was so much teeth-gnashing over the increase in broker fees/taxes that came with Citadel
That's a different story, because CCP put a penalty on everybody making trade more difficult, costly and slower, altering the system as a whole and not individual setups. Same here. Everyone is losing the current POS system and being forced back into the more costly NPC stations with a new alternative to reduce those costs. The system is changing as a whole. Your competition has to deal with the rejiggering of the system exactly as you do. Personally I'm an NPC station producer, always been ... but was looking forward into the option of the new ECs, and got disappointed so far. But I'm able to continue that way and not being forced into the new structure system as with the broker fee changes.
Nice part is, an unrigged public Citadel or EC with manufacturing is the same as an NPC station now but you probably will pay less tax. If the rigs match what you're producing, you get as good or better than current POS production and you still don't have to own the structure. As an NPC producer also, other than potential risks from wardec/destruction, building in a public EC is either as good as NPC or better than a POS which sounds just fine to me.
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Ammath
Mentis Fidelis ChaosTheory.
7
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Posted - 2016.10.18 16:09:42 -
[608] - Quote
Final answer on Rorqual docking in Raitaru and Azbels? And Caps in General in Azbels? Dev Blog says one thing... sisi says another...
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 16:17:37 -
[609] - Quote
Ammath wrote:Final answer on Rorqual docking in Raitaru and Azbels? And Caps in General in Azbels? Dev Blog says one thing... sisi says another...
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I THINK they must indeed have changed it so that capitals are allowed docking in the azbel. cause people went mad that they cant use the rorqual in the azbel if caps cant dock in it. altough the sotiyo still wont allow super capitals to dock in it. and lets be honest. if you truly can afford building super capitals then you should probably have a keepstar to store them in? |
Ammath
Mentis Fidelis ChaosTheory.
7
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Posted - 2016.10.18 16:57:14 -
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RainReaper wrote:Ammath wrote:Final answer on Rorqual docking in Raitaru and Azbels? And Caps in General in Azbels? Dev Blog says one thing... sisi says another...
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I THINK they must indeed have changed it so that capitals are allowed docking in the azbel. cause people went mad that they cant use the rorqual in the azbel if caps cant dock in it. altough the sotiyo still wont allow super capitals to dock in it. and lets be honest. if you truly can afford building super capitals then you should probably have a keepstar to store them in?
I get the supercap restriction wanting to make supercap bases more rare. But Caps should be allowed docking in Azbels its just derpy not to.
But any update on Rorquals in Astrahus / Raitaru ?
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 17:06:39 -
[611] - Quote
Ammath wrote:RainReaper wrote:Ammath wrote:Final answer on Rorqual docking in Raitaru and Azbels? And Caps in General in Azbels? Dev Blog says one thing... sisi says another...
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I THINK they must indeed have changed it so that capitals are allowed docking in the azbel. cause people went mad that they cant use the rorqual in the azbel if caps cant dock in it. altough the sotiyo still wont allow super capitals to dock in it. and lets be honest. if you truly can afford building super capitals then you should probably have a keepstar to store them in? I get the supercap restriction wanting to make supercap bases more rare. But Caps should be allowed docking in Azbels its just derpy not to. But any update on Rorquals in Astrahus / Raitaru ?
Raitaru is sub caps and freighter/orcas only. same as with astrahus |
Setsuko Shintaro
Caldari Manufacturing and Design
1
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Posted - 2016.10.18 17:43:17 -
[612] - Quote
I haven't been on SISI to check, but with a Standup Capital Shipyard, can I build everything but supercaps and boosters or do I need both the manufacturing plant and the capital shipyard? |
Ammath
Mentis Fidelis ChaosTheory.
7
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Posted - 2016.10.18 17:48:23 -
[613] - Quote
Setsuko Shintaro wrote:I haven't been on SISI to check, but with a Standup Capital Shipyard, can I build everything but supercaps and boosters or do I need both the manufacturing plant and the capital shipyard?
To make components you will need MFG plant |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
78
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Posted - 2016.10.18 18:57:39 -
[614] - Quote
I will say this. with the 2 Research services both costing 5 fuel blocks every hour and then the manufacturing service costing 20 blocks, (for a total of 30 blocks every hour or 22.5 blocks every hour when used in an engineering complex) it will be a LOT more affordable for small guys to run a complex, im glad they did that lol. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3031
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Posted - 2016.10.18 21:13:01 -
[615] - Quote
Obil Que wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Black Pedro wrote: There was so much teeth-gnashing over the increase in broker fees/taxes that came with Citadel
That's a different story, because CCP put a penalty on everybody making trade more difficult, costly and slower, altering the system as a whole and not individual setups. Same here. Everyone is losing the current POS system and being forced back into the more costly NPC stations with a new alternative to reduce those costs. The system is changing as a whole. Your competition has to deal with the rejiggering of the system exactly as you do. Personally I'm an NPC station producer, always been ... but was looking forward into the option of the new ECs, and got disappointed so far. But I'm able to continue that way and not being forced into the new structure system as with the broker fee changes. Nice part is, an unrigged public Citadel or EC with manufacturing is the same as an NPC station now but you probably will pay less tax. If the rigs match what you're producing, you get as good or better than current POS production and you still don't have to own the structure. As an NPC producer also, other than potential risks from wardec/destruction, building in a public EC is either as good as NPC or better than a POS which sounds just fine to me. The 10% NPC tax is not an issue ... the question is, will there be trustable public ECs in low index systems, which keep the index low? I have my doubts ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1164
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Posted - 2016.10.18 21:46:28 -
[616] - Quote
RainReaper wrote:Ammath wrote:RainReaper wrote:Ammath wrote:Final answer on Rorqual docking in Raitaru and Azbels? And Caps in General in Azbels? Dev Blog says one thing... sisi says another...
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I THINK they must indeed have changed it so that capitals are allowed docking in the azbel. cause people went mad that they cant use the rorqual in the azbel if caps cant dock in it. altough the sotiyo still wont allow super capitals to dock in it. and lets be honest. if you truly can afford building super capitals then you should probably have a keepstar to store them in? I get the supercap restriction wanting to make supercap bases more rare. But Caps should be allowed docking in Azbels its just derpy not to. But any update on Rorquals in Astrahus / Raitaru ? Raitaru is sub caps and freighter/orcas only. same as with astrahus Rain is right, you'll need to spend around 100 bil to dock your Rorqual as the Xlarge is the only one they can dock in. From the Dev blog
Quote:At current market prices this represents a build cost of approximately 30 billion ISK (price is subject to capsuleer market fluctuations). As in the recent past with Citadels, Devs underestimate build prices by around 50%, don't include BPC costs, or fitting costs - so your looking at around 60 bil just to buy your Xlarge (including bpc, which is a major part of the *build* cost), then you will need to fit it out.
NB; All this may be wrong - You may or may not be able to dock your Rorqual in a medium EC - Devs never have been very good at communicating when things change...
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 21:51:10 -
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I THINK they must indeed have changed it so that capitals are allowed docking in the azbel. cause people went mad that they cant use the rorqual in the azbel if caps cant dock in it. altough the sotiyo still wont allow super capitals to dock in it. and lets be honest. if you truly can afford building super capitals then you should probably have a keepstar to store them in?[/quote]
I get the supercap restriction wanting to make supercap bases more rare. But Caps should be allowed docking in Azbels its just derpy not to.
But any update on Rorquals in Astrahus / Raitaru ? [/quote]
Raitaru is sub caps and freighter/orcas only. same as with astrahus[/quote] Rain is right, you'll need to spend around 100 bil to dock your Rorqual as the Xlarge is the only one they can dock in. From the Dev blog
Quote:At current market prices this represents a build cost of approximately 30 billion ISK (price is subject to capsuleer market fluctuations). As in the recent past with Citadels, Devs underestimate build prices by around 50%, don't include BPC costs, or fitting costs - so your looking at around 60 bil just to buy your Xlarge (including bpc, which is a major part of the *build* cost), then you will need to fit it out.
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after having seen the thigns geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1164
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Posted - 2016.10.18 22:20:15 -
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RainReaper wrote:I THINK they must indeed have changed it so that capitals are allowed docking in the azbel. cause people went mad that they cant use the rorqual in the azbel if caps cant dock in it. altough the sotiyo still wont allow super capitals to dock in it. and lets be honest. if you truly can afford building super capitals then you should probably have a keepstar to store them in?
I get the supercap restriction wanting to make supercap bases more rare. But Caps should be allowed docking in Azbels its just derpy not to.
But any update on Rorquals in Astrahus / Raitaru ? [/quote]
Raitaru is sub caps and freighter/orcas only. same as with astrahus[/quote] Rain is right, you'll need to spend around 100 bil to dock your Rorqual as the Xlarge is the only one they can dock in. From the Dev blog
Quote:At current market prices this represents a build cost of approximately 30 billion ISK (price is subject to capsuleer market fluctuations). As in the recent past with Citadels, Devs underestimate build prices by around 50%, don't include BPC costs, or fitting costs - so your looking at around 60 bil just to buy your Xlarge (including bpc, which is a major part of the *build* cost), then you will need to fit it out.
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after having seen the thigns geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel[/quote]
-- - -- - -- - -- - -- The pity is, Devs don't think enough of players to keep them informed of changes. If in fact you will be able to use the medium for the Rorqual and standard caps, it becomes a big game changer - In lowsec and nulsec, these things are now a little easier to defend.
I still believe, going by recent history - The 5 bil medium will be around 8 to 10 bil, once you allow for Devs always underestimating costs, then add BPC cost to it. A medium Citadel was only going to cost 700 mil? And are still around 1.2 - EC's will be no different, if you double Devs estimated price you'll be close to build cost.
Build price for the Xlarge is prohibitive for all but the largest groups and will likely only be built for supercap production..
But all this s exactly as Devs intend - They obviously want the big groups / rich players to prosper, while everyone else just plods along. Designing affordable structures for those of us who don't want to belong to mega groups just doesn't seem to be something the current dev teams are capable of, they "presume" everyone is rich.
I actually hope Devs have got this all wright - The last thing Eve needs is bluedonuts forming everywhere again, which is likely when costs and asset safety start to blow out.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 22:25:17 -
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The medium Raitaru is still locked to sub caps and orcas/freighters. its the LARGE azbel that can now dock capitals. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
493
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Posted - 2016.10.18 22:38:07 -
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RainReaper wrote:
after having seen the thigns geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel
You have seen the new service modules on SiSi? Where the heck has CCP put them, I'm searching and can't find them. |
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 22:45:59 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:RainReaper wrote:
after having seen the things geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel
You have seen the new service modules on SiSi? Where the heck has CCP put them, I'm searching and can't find them.
so the story here is. they where in the latest patch today, BUT because of this god damn bug that made it so that people who currently had skills in training could not log in they had to go back to the old build. and in the new build i did see the services and i saw that fuel prices had changed on some of them. the 2 research services had both gone from need 20 blocks every hour to just 5 every hour. the regular manufacturing plant still needing 20 blocks, the capital building service needing 10 instead of 30 and then the super capital one needing 40 blocks. this is how i found out. and i feel happy that i wont need 60 blocks (45) but instead need 30 (22.5) for all 3 services in my future Raitaru |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
493
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Posted - 2016.10.18 22:47:59 -
[622] - Quote
RainReaper wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:RainReaper wrote:
after having seen the thigns geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel
You have seen the new service modules on SiSi? Where the heck has CCP put them, I'm searching and can't find them. so the story here is. they where in the latest patch today, BUT because of this god damn bug that made it so that people who currently had skilsl in training could not log in they had to go back to the odl build. and in the new build i did see the services and i saw that fuel prices had chagned on some of them. the 2 research services had both gone from need 20 blocks every hour to just 5 every hour. the regualar manufacturing plant still needing 20 blocks, the capital building service needing 10 instead of 30 and then the super capital one needing 40 blocks. this is how i found out. and i feel happy that i wont need 60 blocks (45) but instead need 30 (22.5) for all 3 services in my future Raitaru
I'm guessing the fuel costs are still WiP because having the capital building service with less fuel costs than the normal building service makes no sense. I'm pretty sure capital builders can stem a little bit extra fuel cost. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 22:49:52 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:RainReaper wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:RainReaper wrote:
after having seen the thigns geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel
You have seen the new service modules on SiSi? Where the heck has CCP put them, I'm searching and can't find them. so the story here is. they where in the latest patch today, BUT because of this god damn bug that made it so that people who currently had skilsl in training could not log in they had to go back to the odl build. and in the new build i did see the services and i saw that fuel prices had chagned on some of them. the 2 research services had both gone from need 20 blocks every hour to just 5 every hour. the regualar manufacturing plant still needing 20 blocks, the capital building service needing 10 instead of 30 and then the super capital one needing 40 blocks. this is how i found out. and i feel happy that i wont need 60 blocks (45) but instead need 30 (22.5) for all 3 services in my future Raitaru I'm guessing the fuel costs are still WiP because having the capital building service with less fuel costs than the normal building service makes no sense. I'm pretty sure capital builders can stem a little bit extra fuel cost. lol the capital one can ONLY build capital ships. it cant build EVERYTHING that the regular one can. only finished caps. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
493
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Posted - 2016.10.18 23:04:57 -
[624] - Quote
RainReaper wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:RainReaper wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:RainReaper wrote:
after having seen the thigns geting active in the test server and also having seen the new services and their fuel costs i cant say that the dev blog is 100% accurate anymore. on the test server it says in the Azbels desc that all sub caps AND capitals can dock att it. the sotiyo also says all subcaps and capitals. but not supers. so regular caps can now aperantly dock att the regular large 5b azbel
You have seen the new service modules on SiSi? Where the heck has CCP put them, I'm searching and can't find them. so the story here is. they where in the latest patch today, BUT because of this god damn bug that made it so that people who currently had skilsl in training could not log in they had to go back to the odl build. and in the new build i did see the services and i saw that fuel prices had chagned on some of them. the 2 research services had both gone from need 20 blocks every hour to just 5 every hour. the regualar manufacturing plant still needing 20 blocks, the capital building service needing 10 instead of 30 and then the super capital one needing 40 blocks. this is how i found out. and i feel happy that i wont need 60 blocks (45) but instead need 30 (22.5) for all 3 services in my future Raitaru I'm guessing the fuel costs are still WiP because having the capital building service with less fuel costs than the normal building service makes no sense. I'm pretty sure capital builders can stem a little bit extra fuel cost. lol the capital one can ONLY build capital ships. it cant build EVERYTHING that the regular one can. only finished caps. and you cant even build the caps without the other service cause the capital service cant build the parts. only the finished ships. you still need the regular one to build the parts for the capital ships lol
What about the supercap one then? That one is still more expensive in fuel cost, or can that one build the parts, too? |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.18 23:12:41 -
[625] - Quote
What about the supercap one then? That one is still more expensive in fuel cost, or can that one build the parts, too?[/quote] The super one is meant to be expensive. In order to even online it you need supercapital index null upgrades Meaning you have to be in an alliance with sov and if you then cant afford it you probably cant afford building supers in the first place lol |
JTK Fotheringham
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
127
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Posted - 2016.10.18 23:25:00 -
[626] - Quote
Just been playing about with these on SiSi... I don't think they are set up, beyond basic graphics and vun timers.
Notes: 1) Docked a carrier at an Azbel. 2) Can't fit any "Citadel" weapons to the ECs - no Jams, no Neuts, no Signal Amps. 3) Tethering doesn't work 4) Rigs aren't up yet - which may be a very promising sign. 5) The models are beautiful - way better than the citadels imho - with massive cargo docks, loading bays, etc. 6) Adjusted fuel requirements for the Industrial services are much more reasonable.
=) |
Soleil Fournier
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
170
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Posted - 2016.10.19 10:09:14 -
[627] - Quote
Please change the colors of the EC docking interior to yellow instead of the citadel blue. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
77
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Posted - 2016.10.19 10:20:25 -
[628] - Quote
Soleil Fournier wrote:Please change the colors of the EC docking interior to yellow instead of the citadel blue.
This ^ while i wont argue over the fact that the interior is still caldari styled. if the color outside is yellow the inside should be yellow to. cause it feels wierd that the inside and outside is diffrent. |
Kinizsi
FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION
11
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Posted - 2016.10.19 10:37:37 -
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When the EC get reinforced for the second time (24h after the first reinforce) All services go offline, and all manufacturing jobs stop?
Someone before wrote it, can someone confirm that? |
Tiirz
Fallen Sentinels Holesale Operations
1
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Posted - 2016.10.19 14:58:00 -
[630] - Quote
My biggest concern is fuel cost. I have seen a few things about it in this thread and am not sure of exact numbers. From what I could tell 3 services in a medium will cost 60 blocks? Which I find a bit ridiculous. IF everyone is going to front this much isk to continue doing the industry we have been, should fuel cost really be increased 50% over a large POS which could do more? |
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