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Shania Eria
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Posted - 2007.03.23 01:56:00 -
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okay.. after comparing alllll the races as i have flown them all... i must say that caldari has it bad.
reasons:
-missiles are very limited.
-missions take a long time due to defenders/ lack of anti-small ships.
-guns.. dont do enough dps damn it!
-tanks.. sheild tanks combined with caldari cap doesn't work.
-armour tanking is more efficient/effective!
-no real choice in combat fitting..
-The other races all get tackling ability!
-caldari can't pvp well as minmatar out-damages our alpha, and has higher dps than us!
-we cant solo because we lose tank.. which is bad.
-caldari lacks anti-smaller ship capacity! (drones dont do jack!)
-caldari needs loads of training in sheild skills, and missile skills to be even half as effective as oother races!
-when will it be caldari's turn for i-win?
minmatar had it with nano-fad, amarr had it with gankageddon, gallente had/has the best capital/dps in eve!
AND ALL THE OTHER REASONS!
this is my caldari whine *sits back and watches all hell break lose*
 Originally by: Ealiom
Oh yeah and trust me on this you will feel like a complete muppet after youve killed your millionth murloc in a search for 20 pairs of there balls.
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 02:00:00 -
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in before the flames 
Originally by: Merkanas
To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun.  |
Shannaria
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.23 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil
in before the flames
heh i beat you though:P
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shannaria
Originally by: Speed Devil
in before the flames
heh i beat you though:P
huh? 
Originally by: Merkanas
To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun. |
Shannaria
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.23 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: Shannaria
Originally by: Speed Devil
in before the flames
heh i beat you though:P
huh?
dunno im not making sense now.. im guna go to bed
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.23 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shania Eria
-The other races all get tackling ability!
Whole thing is a troll so why bother but just had to point out that one. Ever see the midslots on Amarr ships? I keep thinking my Crusader should be able to tackle...haven't figured out how yet.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.23 03:18:00 -
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I have a quick and easy fix for all of these problems: train Matar. I did. Artillery Sabre ftw.
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.23 03:34:00 -
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Its funny how ppl yell for boost without thinking
Lets look at caldari flag ship - raven.
6 med slots - shield booster, boost amp, 3 hardeners, 20km scrambler ?
Hell if u wanna more tackling u need to sacrifice 1 tank slot.
BUT same do armor tanking, but they sacrifice tank for damage while you got 5 low slots - 3bcus 2 whatever ?
Now try to fit 3 damagemods + armor tank at the same time :)
And instead of whining just train other race, caldari are awesome missioners and thats good enought.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.23 04:32:00 -
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After RMR everyone was calling to nerf Caldari.
Did the ecm nerf really hurt you guys that bad? I know the nano-fad really ****** with missiles, but that's over now.
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LordChaos
Amarr
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.23 04:40:00 -
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BOOST CALDARI I SAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
welcome to Caldari Online
The Master Of Chaos
Celes |
Maeltstome
Minmatar
Caldari Navy Raiders
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
I know the nano-fad really ****** with missiles, but that's over now.
or is it, mwa ha ha ha ah ah ha.
Seriously though - medium guns could track fine and distance fine on a nano BS, only real issue was raven's getting ganked in belts. The ratting 0.0 carebears called out in unison, and all at once CCP took heed. "It's not the way we want the game to be played". Excuse me, the 30k people a day who play the game dictate is growth more than you kthnx.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:02:00 -
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Drones are the same on Caldari ships as any other non-droneboat. If you want to deal with small ships, you need between 25 and 50 drone space, something which many Caldari ships (and certainly the battleships) provide.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:06:00 -
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Fly a Lvl 4 in an Apoc the come back to us and tell us the same thing.
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The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:23:00 -
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So why can i go to any major system and see at least one raven.................Or drake..............
If caldari are boost, then i quit.
Minmatar 4tw!
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Dynast
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:38:00 -
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Only thing about Caldari that needs boosting is their women. They're flat as a board.
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Steele Fist
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:59:00 -
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While I agree with a few of the points I would most like to see some work done on Caldari DPS. Every ship is out DPS'd by the other races counterpart.
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kill0rbunny
Chimera Chaos Squadron
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Posted - 2007.03.23 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shania Eria
okay.. after comparing alllll the races as i have flown them all... i must say that caldari has it bad.
reasons:
I'll actually argument about it. Btw I have two caldari chars, and i think they are a good balanced race to fly. The only thing I would boost is that they are terribly slow at any ship they have.
-missiles are very limited. - Have you ever left the system and bought the other damage types?
-missions take a long time due to defenders/ lack of anti-small ships. - Use torps.
-guns.. dont do enough dps damn it! - Guns do close to zero dps if the range isn't right.
-tanks.. sheild tanks combined with caldari cap doesn't work. - Ever tried using cap boosters? Or passive Drake?
-armour tanking is more efficient/effective! - passive shield tanking is ftw. it doesn't work solo, but where the hell are you expecting to find solo fights anyway?
-no real choice in combat fitting.. - Lack of creativeness ftl.
-The other races all get tackling ability! - Minmatar tech II ships have the same problems. Amarr have very few midslots, the only uber race now again is gallente.
-caldari can't pvp well as minmatar out-damages our alpha, and has higher dps than us! - Since the nano nerf, minmatar is not the race I would ever think of complainin about.
-we cant solo because we lose tank.. which is bad. - Solo's never happen. See above.
-caldari lacks anti-smaller ship capacity! (drones dont do jack!) - I can kill friggies with any ship up to battleship. Maybe you're skills just suck.
-caldari needs loads of training in sheild skills, and missile skills to be even half as effective as oother races! - To use tech II Large guns you need to train tech II small and medium first. To use tech II bs launchers, you need to train tech II bs launchers. Nothin else.
-when will it be caldari's turn for i-win? minmatar had it with nano-fad, amarr had it with gankageddon, gallente had/has the best capital/dps in eve! - Chose a ship and max out the skills for it. Good pilots don't need an I-Win, they kill stuff with their ship of choice.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:12:00 -
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-missiles are very limited.Easier to train for but yeah kinda.
-missions take a long time due to defenders/ lack of anti-small ships.NO caldari are kings of missions...Try missioning when tracking disrupted.
-guns.. dont do enough dps damn it!Neutron fitted rokh?
-tanks.. sheild tanks combined with caldari cap doesn't work.Cap boosters,also its possible to perma run an XL shield booster.
-armour tanking is more efficient/effective!Efficient yes,but has its drawbacks.
-no real choice in combat fitting..WRONG,you have alot of mids.
-The other races all get tackling ability!Crow
-caldari can't pvp well as minmatar out-damages our alpha, and has higher dps than us!But distance doesnt matter to you.
-we cant solo because we lose tank.. which is bad.Then...dont solo.
-caldari lacks anti-smaller ship capacity! (drones dont do jack!)I guess the apoc/tempest/geddon/mega/phoon do too then?
-caldari needs loads of training in sheild skills, and missile skills to be even half as effective as oother races!Wrong,t2 torps take about 40 days to train for,but hundreds for t2 large turrets.
-when will it be caldari's turn for i-win?
minmatar had it with nano-fad, amarr had it with gankageddon, gallente had/has the best capital/dps in eve!2087
I seriously hope this is a joke thread btw.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:34:00 -
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Shield tanking is actualy more cap efficient than armor tanking.
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Commander Morgoth
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:54:00 -
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Caldari don't need a boost.
L2P!
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Cker
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:17:00 -
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Caldari need a boost?
Erm.....
Might i recommend either actually piloting a caldari ship, or changing race?
If the thread is just flamebait then I guess I just got pwned 
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ogul on 23/03/2007 11:43:15
Originally by: Goumindong
Shield tanking is actualy more cap efficient than armor tanking.
No. Shield booster + boost amp equals dual rep setup (all T2) in terms of cap efficiency though.
Originally by: Goumindong
As well, missiles are the least limited weapons in the game. They have the best range[aside from tech 2 battleship snipers], they do competent damage[though not overwhelming]. Their damage is consistant and holds steadier against smaller ships types easier. They are the only weapon type which can ignore ECM and damps, and tracking disruptors and they gain the most from target painters.
Far from true.
ECM reduces DPS of rockets/heavy assault missiles/torpedoes to zero. ECM reduces DPS of other missiles too (except heavy fof missiles with maxed skills).
Damping reduces DPS of all missile types to zero if out of locking range. FOF missiles do no go further than locking range.
There are no T2 fof missiles.
I don't agree with the OP, but I would like to see the dedicated ECM ships turned into something that is actually useful. I would not miss ECM for a second.
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Deathhawk
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:22:00 -
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only problem i have with caldari is the fact that i cant kill a frigate in less than 3 vollys of cruise missiles!! t2 btw.. maybe thats just me..
but i can insta pop a frig with 1 volly on my turrets
I ROCK - DH
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iudex
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
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Hell if u wanna more tackling u need to sacrifice 1 tank slot.
BUT same do armor tanking, but they sacrifice tank for damage while you got 5 low slots - 3bcus 2 whatever ?
Now try to fit 3 damagemods + armor tank at the same time :)
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Yes but the rediculous thing is, that with 3 damagemods (BCU II) in the lows the raven has still less dps than most of the other BS. Expecially if you use the so-praised cruise missiles: Even if you have all the skills near maxout (including BS at 5), using tech2 cruise missiles (which will cripple your cap regain btw) and having 3 damage mods, your dps will be a bit over 500. A domi for example does not even need highslot-weapons to get that.
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:24:00 -
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Ok ok everybody please stand back and read the signs:
'DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS'
Right, carry on.
sgb
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:33:00 -
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sod off whining would ya.
u can get t2 bs sized weapons in like 2 months or something daft.
u can fire ur weapons while jammed, cap dead, damped etc.
u can fit several damage mods to ships which only slightly affect ur tanking ability.
u have the best anti small ship defence imo with dam precision missiles. i'd like to see blasters or pulse lasers or artillery or anything for that matter hit for as much as precisions do.
oh yeah and the only race to get ecm specialised ships that if with 1 in ur group can single handedly turn the tide of a battle if used correctly
yeah u can't solo very well due to lack of tackling slots but big deal. they have many advantages.
oh and don't forget the day of ecm stabbed out ravens. stack of multi specs in mids, stabs in lows. stupidly hard to catch and 1v1 they were almost invincible.
have i proved my point yet?
DE
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beor oranes
Caldari
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:44:00 -
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Caldari are fine as long as you realise early on that you aren't going to succeed without friends. If you work as a team a Caldari ship can be very effective, even after the ECM nerf. In almost any large engagement the first ships to go down are Scorp's and Blackbirds cos with the right setup they can take a couple of ships completely out of the fight for a time.
Infact I would say the ECM nerf has helped Caldari ewar ships cos nobody fits ECCM modules anymore...(waits for flames  )
They also rock at missions.
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:05:00 -
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If think cladry is cap dependend try a mega whit rails it litary sucks cap tthat hy most uce the domi.
ok missles are slow but have good damage
i can agre that velocy is a problem whit missiles
a missle whil always hit if you are in rage of the target.
missles are not afekted agest traking disruptors.
Takling fit a raven whit dampners it helps alot in a gang
crow realy good takler here
flycatcher 1 best dictors in the game
try to shot a smal ship whit a large gun vs a smal ship you can't hit the ship.
I agree whit you that the ferox need the 7 turent slot.
whel this my thots of caldari. Is not so many ships you can solo in anyway.
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Kamikaaazi
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Trind2222
If think cladry is cap dependend try a mega whit rails it litary sucks cap tthat hy most uce the domi.
ok missles are slow but have good damage
i can agre that velocy is a problem whit missiles
a missle whil always hit if you are in rage of the target.
missles are not afekted agest traking disruptors.
Takling fit a raven whit dampners it helps alot in a gang
crow realy good takler here
flycatcher 1 best dictors in the game
try to shot a smal ship whit a large gun vs a smal ship you can't hit the ship.
I agree whit you that the ferox need the 7 turent slot.
whel this my thots of caldari. Is not so many ships you can solo in anyway.
Missiles DO NOT have good damage, they have 1/2 dps of their turret counterpart.
Yes missiles allways hit you when they can catch you, but i still count 0.1 damage hits as no damage at all.
Missiles have defenders to counter them, ccp just hasnt fixed those.
Tackling raven has no tank at all and it will die in seconds.
Crow is prolly the best ship caldari has.
Flycatcher is the ****tiest dictor from all 3 races. It has no speed, no agility, cant use 1 of its bonuses etc.
Caldari just doesnt have any ships worth flying. I know it because my 50m sp caldari main char sits in dock and im using my 30m sp alt for all the pvp.
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Hypatia Iola
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:14:00 -
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i myself kinda dislike caldari.
as has been stated they're too slow
Armor tanking takes away from damage mods, as it requires low slots(primarily) but to run an effective tank(passive, i fly drakes) requires nearly all your mid AND low slots.
i don't know about armor tanking, i've never done it.
i'm going to hop into assy frigs/covops/intys and see how i feel then. if i still feel the same way then i'll train frig 5 minmatar and start the somewhat ardous process of getting to be any good with them.
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