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turnschuh
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.03.24 19:24:00 -
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If there has allready been a thread, Im sorry please close this one.
Privateers just killed a freighter and there was indeed loot in the wreck can.
The freighter had
Nocxium
Tritanium
Isogen
Mexalon
noc and trit was destroyed, iso and mexa survived.
just a heads up for all pirates 
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 20:17:00 -
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ooooh baby
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.24 20:25:00 -
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just rememember to scan it before ganking/sucide ganking it...
if an indy with 30 shuttles blown can crash a system..(or bring about horrid lag to eveyone within sector.....yes, I tried it...)
imagine the horror if a freighter and its 350 T1 frigs suvives the explosion...
/me shudder at thought
-Siggi-
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Terra Mauter
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.03.24 20:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Petrothian Tong
just rememember to scan it before ganking/sucide ganking it...
if an indy with 30 shuttles blown can crash a system..(or bring about horrid lag to eveyone within sector.....yes, I tried it...)
imagine the horror if a freighter and its 350 T1 frigs suvives the explosion...
/me shudder at thought
I assumed they'd drop the ships in cans for freighters to prevent this abuse?
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.24 20:32:00 -
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from the reports on test server, the ships are just ejected into space... no cans...
but yeah, if me dumping 30 something shuttle can lag everybody at a station to hell and back...
(yes, 30 different boardable shuttles ejected...)
just imagine...
but yeah, freighters are now worth sucide ganking now... if they are carrying anything but T1 frigs....
(takes like 10 to 20 BS sucide gank though..)
so there needs to be 300 mill ish worth of good to survive for it to be profitable to sucide gank...
easily done with most stuff...
not with T1 frigs, destoryers though...
crusier... breaks even if they all survive.... but yeah...
-Siggi-
""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.24 20:37:00 -
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It'll be the new FOTM, I bet.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.24 21:05:00 -
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Try this: fill an Itty V with shuttles. Shoot another player in hisec.
Not only do you get concorded, so do each of your shuttles as they count as ships that you've ejected from.
Fireworks... reminds me of Fantavision on the PS2. But with more lag.
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2007.03.24 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Baleorg on 24/03/2007 22:16:04
hmm, i should try that just to see the fun
in front of jita 4-4 ? :-P
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Callistus
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.24 22:29:00 -
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I seem to remember some people on the test server saying that shuttles are always destroyed along with the freighter.
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Posted - 2007.03.24 22:47:00 -
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I await masive Leeroy BS op's on Freighters in the close future..
Outbrake style! 
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alpheon
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 23:07:00 -
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I can see the broadcast popup ingame now...
"Tranquility will be going down for an unscheduled reboot after a node failure in jita following yet ANOTHER HiSec Pirate group suicide ganking yet another freighter full of bantams en route to the nearest caldari trial account training academy..."
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mortania on 25/03/2007 09:06:50
Originally by: Petrothian Tong
from the reports on test server, the ships are just ejected into space... no cans...
but yeah, if me dumping 30 something shuttle can lag everybody at a station to hell and back...
(yes, 30 different boardable shuttles ejected...)
just imagine...
but yeah, freighters are now worth sucide ganking now... if they are carrying anything but T1 frigs....
(takes like 10 to 20 BS sucide gank though..)
so there needs to be 300 mill ish worth of good to survive for it to be profitable to sucide gank...
easily done with most stuff...
not with T1 frigs, destoryers though...
crusier... breaks even if they all survive.... but yeah...
Please let me know where you're getting your BS's for 15-30M each including modules. I want to buy a lot of them.
You're off by a factor of at least 2, more like 3-5.
You probably want no less than 1B surviving for it to be clearly profitable, and that means probably ganking only 3B+ freighters to keep your odds up.
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qvacky
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
Please let me know where you're getting your BS's for 15-30M each including modules. I want to buy a lot of them.
You're off by a factor of at least 2, more like 3-5.
You probably want no less than 1B surviving for it to be clearly profitable, and that means probably ganking only 3B+ freighters to keep your odds up.
Insurance + low build costs + non-named modules will generally give that sort of figure.
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente
OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2007.03.25 09:21:00 -
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i'm afraid evil suicide pirates get paid insurance on their battleship, just like the people who LEGITIMATLY lose their ship.
Its 30M to fully insure a BS, more i think for tier 3, but still...
I think CCP should rethink the insurance thing: IF concord THEN no payout.
or better: IF initiator of combat THEN no payout.
if you choose to put your ship on the line by initiating combat, then why would an insurance company pay?
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.03.25 09:23:00 -
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Turn.....You Pirate....
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 09:23:00 -
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Ah yes, I had forgotten about Insurance. *sigh* If only there were some way for ISK to be taken out of the economy, CCP, if only...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.03.25 10:05:00 -
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Suicide ganks of freighters may now begin. 
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.03.25 16:17:00 -
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You can gank a freighter in high sec for an net cost of 100m. With this much spent he will die in under 7 seconds. You could probably do it for less, but this pretty much guarantees a kill, probably before any ships even get jammed by concord.
The only issue would be getting the people together to do it and scooping the loot before empire loot thieves.
If you can't figure out how, well don't worry, someone will do it soon enough.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.25 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Try this: fill an Itty V with shuttles. Shoot another player in hisec.
Not only do you get concorded, so do each of your shuttles as they count as ships that you've ejected from.
Fireworks... reminds me of Fantavision on the PS2. But with more lag.
You stole my party trick! 
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.25 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Humpalot on 25/03/2007 16:35:21
Originally by: Big Al
You can gank a freighter in high sec for an net cost of 100m. With this much spent he will die in under 7 seconds. You could probably do it for less, but this pretty much guarantees a kill, probably before any ships even get jammed by concord.
The only issue would be getting the people together to do it and scooping the loot before empire loot thieves.
If you can't figure out how, well don't worry, someone will do it soon enough.
Suicide a freighter for 100m? I'd like to see the math on that.
I did do the math awhile back for ganking Hulks and assumed 3 Armageddons to do it. After insurance cost, mod costs and so on and then rolling the insurance payment back in the Arma pilot would be out ~30 million for the deed.
The best math I have ever seen to suicide a Freighter suggested 16 Ravens and that is pushing it (depends how fast CONCORD responds and a few other things). For a sure kill (and watching vids of it being done) you are into more like 20 battleships. That is 600 million lost to a gank squad of Armas. Can it be done cheaper? Maybe (the Arma setup I used was all T1) but I think you'd be lucky to drop it below 500m for the lot of you.
Now consider 20 of you are in pods and half the Freighter's cargo is gone leaving some 450K m3 of loot lying in a wreck. The best pimp hauler you can make has a bit over 50k m3 of cargo and most are a lot less. But we'll go with the ideal and say 50k for easy math. Now you need an additional 9 haulers on standby to go grab the loot (and in reality few people have Itty-5 pimped that well so likely more). Say 30 people in your group all told.
If you are in a busy system you don't think others aren't going to dogpile on your can? IIRC the can flags to the dead Freighter pilot so you can't shoot those who go to grab from the can without another CONCORDOKKEN (and now with about 50 CONCORD sitting right next to you it will happen in a blink).
Now let's assume the Freighter's cargo was worth 2 billion and 1 billion went up in smoke. Minus your 600 million in costs you are left with 400 million. Split 30 ways among your group that is 13,333,333 ISK/person. Not such a hot haul for all that trouble. And this of course assumes you somehow managed to get ALL the loot and not have others just driving by taking what they can as well.
The Freighter drops ships you say? Great...how many people in shuttles do you need nearby on standby to eject and board whatever pops out? And will you get all the ships and not have others take them as well? (And this assumes your pilots can fly whatever it is the Freighter was carrying which may well not be the case).
All-in-all a lot of work for probably not much of a payday. I suspect some will try it for the novelty value but unless the Freighter is carrying some hugely valuable cargo probably not worth the trouble most times. And how often will you get 30+ peeps to camp a gate hoping for one Freighter pilot who has massively valuable cargo to come by with no guards or scouts to spot 30 battleships hovering over a gate?
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.03.25 17:53:00 -
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Yeah, I do agree that it is a lot of work for a little reward. The potential for death should be in the back of freighter pilots' minds now though. However, there will still be plenty of juicy freighters you can be sure.
I'd suspect they will change the loot dropping code back when someone crashes Jita doing this on a freighter full of frigs, so get those ganks in now :)
As far as the math on it, my setups are 2m after insurance (buying all ships/mods from 4-4). They yield between 400-550dps each depending on range.
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Dregann
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.03.25 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Suicide ganks of freighters may now begin.
hehehe
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.25 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Humpalot on 25/03/2007 18:32:51
Originally by: Big Al
As far as the math on it, my setups are 2m after insurance (buying all ships/mods from 4-4). They yield between 400-550dps each depending on range.
How in the world can you do that (seriously...I'd really like to know that setup).
For a 2m loss you'd have to be talking about a cruiser and I cannot see how a cruiser can get that kind of DPS. Best I have seen is a T2 fitted Thorax getting around 300 DPS using blasters and T2 Hammerheads (there may well be others that do better but still a long way off that 550 DPS mark).
Heck, combat worthy cruisers cost ~6 mil (Thorax does). Plat insurance alone costs 2 mil for that and you haven't even started on the mods.
Besides, cruisers will get zapped by CONCORD super quick. Battleships that do these ganks rely on at least some staying power to continue damaging the target. Not much admittedly but hang in there for another volley or two. Cruisers would just instapop to CONCORD so while you may have costs more in order you are going to need a lot of people. An Obelisk has around 183,000 HP (shields/armor/hull). Not even taking in to account resistances and assuming you actually manage a true 550 DPS the whole time it'd take one of your ships 5.5 minutes to bring it down. Let's say you have 30 seconds so you would need at least 11 people. Of course there is no way you can expect to deal your absolute maxed damage across all those people and that much time and as mentioned that doesn't deal with the shield or armor resists of the ship either. Add to that I am not sure you will have a full 30 seconds before CONCORD shows. Seems like you are back in the 20+ ship realm to ensure success not counting haulers/pilots to grab your loot.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.25 19:08:00 -
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Remember me a nice story of a bob freighter gank. They should have waited
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Diana Merris
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:03:00 -
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Caracals with Heavy Assault missiles?
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Diana Merris
Caracals with Heavy Assault missiles?
Dunno...seems a Raven pushes it to get 600 DPS. Can't imagine a Caracal can hit 550 but I really don't know.
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Kvarium Ki
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:13:00 -
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Cruisers with a bunch of smart bombs?
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:15:00 -
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how to fix suicide freighter ganks? give them slots! lol, naw it aint going to happen, or mabey if this keeps up it could. 0-0
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Kvarium Ki
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:18:00 -
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Yep, a maller with 6 smartbomb 1s and a rcu will do it.
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Quintus Archipirata
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:23:00 -
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one thing we have found out for sure is ships that are repackaged will drop out in a can, thus if it is a Battleship there is no way to scoop it. All unpacked ships will pop out in space like normal. Also It seem to drop depending on item type. like if you have alot of menerals and also alot of normal mods and ships. It will distroy all of one type as in lets say it distroys all the mods but it will drop all the minerals and ships. At least this is what I have seen on one freighter kill that I was involved in.
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