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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:30:00 -
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paying for insurance is a waste of isk anyway, since the net gain isn't anything above the uninsured payout ____________________
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Eximius Josari If BS Sized HACs would be overpowered, what are HACs?
Overpriced Nos victims.
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turnschuh
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 20:56:00 -
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rumor is that some corp tryed to suicide gank a freighter in perimeter...and failed
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.25 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar paying for insurance is a waste of isk anyway, since the net gain isn't anything above the uninsured payout
Er... wrong?
Base payout is 40% of plat payout plat insurance cost is 30% of plat payout
So with no insurance you get 40% payout With plat insurance you get 100%-30% -> 70% payout
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Plaetean
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:18:00 -
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This isn't a good idea imo.. -----
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar paying for insurance is a waste of isk anyway, since the net gain isn't anything above the uninsured payout
Er... wrong?
Base payout is 40% of plat payout plat insurance cost is 30% of plat payout
So with no insurance you get 40% payout With plat insurance you get 100%-30% -> 70% payout
Lets run some numbers, i'll use a rifter since its cheap:
2007.03.26 00:20 Your friendly insurance company has transferred 112,000.00 ISK into your account for the recent loss of your ship.This payout is the default payout for an uninsured ship. If you are interested in better insurance then please visit a station with an Insurance Service for further details.
so, 112,000 isk for no insurance at all.
basic insurance costs 14,000 isk and pays out 140,000 isk = gain after insurance cost of 126,000 isk platinum insurance costs 84,000 isk and pays out 280,000 isk = gain after insurance cost of 196,000 isk
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since you paid 70,000 isk extra for platinum vs basic your actual net gain is 126,000 isk
so, in light of this i'll grant you that i'm not right (basic insurance is worthwhile) but i'm not far from wrong either (platinum gets you nothing extra) ____________________
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Eximius Josari If BS Sized HACs would be overpowered, what are HACs?
Overpriced Nos victims.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:44:00 -
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Will a downed freighter drop mines in containers or as a field?
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Little Texan
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Posted - 2007.03.26 01:06:00 -
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Yes they failed....they were short by at least 8-10 ships.
The best part is that there was nothing in the freighter worth keeping. They should have scanned the cargo first.
But all beware....nobody is safe in any ship in any system.
Safe Flying
Little Texan
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.03.26 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar
Lets run some numbers, i'll use a rifter since its cheap:
2007.03.26 00:20 Your friendly insurance company has transferred 112,000.00 ISK into your account for the recent loss of your ship.This payout is the default payout for an uninsured ship. If you are interested in better insurance then please visit a station with an Insurance Service for further details.
so, 112,000 isk for no insurance at all.
basic insurance costs 14,000 isk and pays out 140,000 isk = gain after insurance cost of 126,000 isk platinum insurance costs 84,000 isk and pays out 280,000 isk = gain after insurance cost of 196,000 isk
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since you paid 70,000 isk extra for platinum vs basic your actual net gain is 126,000 isk
so, in light of this i'll grant you that i'm not right (basic insurance is worthwhile) but i'm not far from wrong either (platinum gets you nothing extra)
Heheh nice try. No. You counted cost twice. Let's look at it again.
Ship cost: 280.000
No insurance: Ship cost 280.000 + insurance cost 0 = 280.000 - insurance payout 112.000 so cost of buying, insuring and then losing rifter is 168.000. Put into other words, you gain 112.000 as stated.
Basic: Ship cost 280.000 + insurance cost 14.000 =294.000 - insurance payout 140.000 so cost of buying, insuring, losing ship is 154.000. You indeed gain 140.000 - 14.000 = 126.000
Platinum: Cost 280.000 + insure 84.000 = 364.000 - insurance payout 280.000 so cost of buying, insuring, blowing up is... Surprise! 84.000. That is your mistake: In that case, you gained 280.000 at the cost of 84.000, for a total gain of 196.000. FULL STOP. After the BUT part there is nothing. the part after the BUT is like saying, you owe me a grand, so lend me two grand, ok, now I lend you one so you owe me a grand, cancels the one I owe you and we're fine
I hope it was an honest mistake and not a fishing for idiots... If it was the latter it was cruel, but you had me fooled there for about 20 seconds.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.26 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Petrothian Tong just rememember to scan it before ganking/sucide ganking it...
if an indy with 30 shuttles blown can crash a system..(or bring about horrid lag to eveyone within sector.....yes, I tried it...)
imagine the horror if a freighter and its 350 T1 frigs suvives the explosion...
/me shudder at thought
How do you sucide gank a freightor? ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Minnie Trader
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Posted - 2007.03.26 02:41:00 -
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The same way you suicide any other ship -- attack in a large enough blob to kill the target before CONCORD wipes out the attacking force. Non-attacking alts then scoop up the lewt from the resulting carnage. You then go rat/mission as pennance to bring your standing back up to levels allowed into empire space.
Of course, if you have a really, really LARGE corp, you could suicide gank with ships smaller than a BS too. Post-insurance cost on a blob of myrms should be significantly cheaper than 30M per. And of course there's the ever-popular suicide kessies -- not suitable for freighter ganking, but doable for smaller targets.
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Viktoria Maher
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Posted - 2007.03.26 02:47:00 -
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Hmmm.
Crosses "train freighters" off my list of things to do.
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Big Al
Ki Shoda
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Posted - 2007.03.26 02:48:00 -
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Vexor + 5 ogre Is + blasters = ganked.
Have someone drop drones and scoop them so you can control 5. Not an exploit when petitioned to GMs.
You get jammed as soon as CONCORD shows up so whether it's a BS or a cruiser really doesn't matter that much. Drones keep shooting after you're dead now anyway (yay more bugs).
Now someone unleash the army of vexors and make a video.
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Anila's Delight
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Posted - 2007.03.26 04:35:00 -
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I just dare somone to attack my freighter named: "1500 shuttles in transit"
and not get banned for crashing the node :)
Originally by: Altrex Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.26 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Duvall i'm afraid evil suicide pirates get paid insurance on their battleship, just like the people who LEGITIMATLY lose their ship.
Its 30M to fully insure a BS, more i think for tier 3, but still...
I think CCP should rethink the insurance thing: IF concord THEN no payout.
or better: IF initiator of combat THEN no payout. if you choose to put your ship on the line by initiating combat, then why would an insurance company pay?
IF initiator of combat... no insurance... EvE is already becoming way to *****. Making it more pro carebear is a bad idea. Freighters should not be afk isk + autopilot = more isk buttons. Bring on the suicide ganks! If you escort the thing with 5 shield rep ships it will live forever.
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Rin Eyre
Minmatar Solar Dragon's Nest
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Posted - 2007.03.26 06:04:00 -
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Moving "killing" part aside, I really want to know what CCP will give Freighters for defence... because they sure as hell can't be defended in high-sec by any number of ships or setups when targeted by really planed attempt.
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Ralara
Caldari Ralara Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.26 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh rumor is that some corp tryed to suicide gank a freighter in perimeter...and failed
yeah I saw the Concord - I must have arrived a few minutes after the attempt was made. I've not seen so many concord battleships before!
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot. |
Tramp Oline
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tramp Oline on 26/03/2007 08:04:57
Maybe next time they will get smart and not do it in a 1.0 system. Concord responds too fast there. In a .5 or .6 system they would have had a good 7 or more seconds of damage before Concord showed up.
Originally by: Little Texan Yes they failed....they were short by at least 8-10 ships.
The best part is that there was nothing in the freighter worth keeping. They should have scanned the cargo first.
But all beware....nobody is safe in any ship in any system.
Safe Flying
Little Texan
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WarMongeer
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:32:00 -
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Now that loot will drop from the freighters, what kind of timeframe can we see for them to pick up and drop cans? Or have they just been changed to accomodate the pirate population?
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Hokuten
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Hokuten on 26/03/2007 08:47:22 removed post
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Thalera Saldana
Minmatar Oxymorons from Outer Space
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Big Al Vexor + 5 ogre Is + blasters = ganked.
Have someone drop drones and scoop them so you can control 5. Not an exploit when petitioned to GMs.
AFAIK, you are wrong and it is considered an exploit to control more drone m3 than your drone bay allows.
Thal
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Gaia Thorn
Villains Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 09:12:00 -
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i saw a movie couple of weeks ago when they popped a bob alt freighter. i think it was plated domi's and massive amount of drones which still keept shooting after the guys beeing popped.
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Arakidias
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Posted - 2007.03.26 09:30:00 -
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Hm, if a gang is attacked in highsec do gangmates get killrights on the agressor?
If so then escorting a freighter with a scorpion or two equipped with ECM (for ships) and smartbombs (for drones) might be effective.
Also, do ECM bursts work for drones and does using them get you concorded if they happen to hit unagressed targets? Obviously using smarbombs requires you to be out of range from anything else as well. Might be impossible with the amount of lag created by 20+ battleships and their drones.
Or an alternative. A use for logistic ships perhaps. Escort the poor freighter with a few of them. They might be able to rep the freighter enough to save it. The again, battleships with large reppers might be more effective.
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Dr Aryandi
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.26 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arakidias Hm, if a gang is attacked in highsec do gangmates get killrights on the agressor?
If so then escorting a freighter with a scorpion or two equipped with ECM (for ships) and smartbombs (for drones) might be effective.
Also, do ECM bursts work for drones and does using them get you concorded if they happen to hit unagressed targets? Obviously using smarbombs requires you to be out of range from anything else as well. Might be impossible with the amount of lag created by 20+ battleships and their drones.
Or an alternative. A use for logistic ships perhaps. Escort the poor freighter with a few of them. They might be able to rep the freighter enough to save it. The again, battleships with large reppers might be more effective.
AOE will get you ganked by concorde, including ECM bursts.
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Arakidias
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Posted - 2007.03.26 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Aryandi
AOE will get you ganked by concorde, including ECM bursts.
Then remote reppers seem to be the way to go?
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
Techmart Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.26 10:37:00 -
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I suicided a freighter on the test server simply by getting aggro from gate sentry guns in a smaller ship and then bring out an Obelisk to the gate. After waiting forever for the ship to pop I found out that none of the freight containers that survived contained loot.
I need to do some more testing but it doesn't sound promsing for freighter ganking.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.26 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Eyre Moving "killing" part aside, I really want to know what CCP will give Freighters for defence... because they sure as hell can't be defended in high-sec by any number of ships or setups when targeted by really planed attempt.
A simple scout still works as a perfect defence. If your scout see 30+ battleships with drones out waiting on the other side just don't jump the gate. Not that hard. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Arakidias
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Posted - 2007.03.26 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Rin Eyre Moving "killing" part aside, I really want to know what CCP will give Freighters for defence... because they sure as hell can't be defended in high-sec by any number of ships or setups when targeted by really planed attempt.
A simple scout still works as a perfect defence. If your scout see 30+ battleships with drones out waiting on the other side just don't jump the gate. Not that hard.
That or give them a single lowslot for fitting a damage control unit ;)
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Carvott Milanis
Rakeriku Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:15:00 -
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Loss wasn't that bad. Domi and fittings cost me 60m, insurance was 18m, payout was 62.5m. Loss of 15.5m overall.
Mostly a proof of concept type op. Outbreak managed their op with 20 or so Domis, but with T2 drones. We didnt have any T2 on any of the ships or in the drone bays, just the drones and the large guns.
Originally we did start in a 0.5 system, but the FC decided to move to 1.0 outside jita for better pickings. Not the best idea.
Think overall, a massive amount of patience was needed. Waiting for that single good freighter was boring, and in the end a random Obelisk (little texan) with moderately good loot (Fleet Tempest) was chosen.
Very educational though, and certainly fun.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:22:00 -
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They should've removed the insurance for high-sec criminals. It is ok that freighters now drop loot, but paying insurance to suicide criminal is plain stupid. If you want to do high-sec freighter ganks - you should pay the price: ~20 BS, no insurance, heavy sec hit. Then it's fair... no one says freighters should be invulnerable.
I am wondering what is this going to do with freighter service prices, as AFK "freightering" is not safe anymore...
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:28:00 -
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WTS basilisk escort service...
Trading 101 Kaaii-Net Research Labs
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