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Jenshae Chiroptera 275	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:06:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: .CCP Unifex The releases throughout 2012 will be an extension of the type of release we had with Crucible with the addition of a theme to help us scope and tie the work into a really compelling and coherent package. The first theme is going to be War and everyone is getting very excited about it. IF this is about war declarations and the mechanics involved and if it involves station games and such, here are some of the things I would do in response. Unless I get in a PVP ship and a fleet then go out looking for PVP, my objective is to deny them a kill, I don't care about the wrecks, the ore or anything else as long as I know they are frustrated and bored, I am happy. If they take away the ability to dock or find a way to force me to depart from the station, I will simply play an alternative character, account or game. I would even log a trial account on my other machine or hire a newbie to hang around and destroy my ship rather than let them have the kill. Simply offline all module and be gone before they could finish warping in. I D-scan frequently, I put down two safe points to have on approach for warp, et cetera. Usually, I dock up, go semi-AFK, doing things on my other screen, say some stuff in Local to taunt them and waste as much of their time as possible. I don't call out for help, I don't escalate it, I don't give them the satisfaction of anything they may want. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Famble Three's a Crowd 179	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:11:00 - [2] - Quote Were you doing an interview in your mind and we somehow became privvy to one of your responses? If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 68	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:13:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah that is standard operating procedure for a war dec, be hard changing them much if people refuse to be a part of them when they happen. Most likely CCP will do a bit of (rude place) squeezing to make us hi seccers want to be war decced or glad we were able to recieve the privilege of being war decced. Like you said about hiding in station, CCP increased PI taxes so you have to use pocos and fight for them, now they read what you posted and make you pay station taxes while being in one during a war dec. Course could not log the whole week, but would be tough to deal with anyhow. They added taxes to npc corp to make up for evading war decs, who knows what else they could do.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 335	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:13:00 - [4] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Quote: .CCP Unifex The releases throughout 2012 will be an extension of the type of release we had with Crucible with the addition of a theme to help us scope and tie the work into a really compelling and coherent package. The first theme is going to be War and everyone is getting very excited about it. IF this is about war declarations and the mechanics involved and if it involves station games and such, here are some of the things I would do in response. Unless I get in a PVP ship and a fleet then go out looking for PVP, my objective is to deny them a kill, I don't care about the wrecks, the ore or anything else as long as I know they are frustrated and bored, I am happy. If they take away the ability to dock or find a way to force me to depart from the station, I will simply play an alternative character, account or game. I would even log a trial account on my other machine or hire a newbie to hang around and destroy my ship rather than let them have the kill. Simply offline all module and be gone before they could finish warping in. I D-scan frequently, I put down two safe points to have on approach for warp, et cetera. Usually, I dock up, go semi-AFK, doing things on my other screen, say some stuff in Local to taunt them and waste as much of their time as possible. I don't call out for help, I don't escalate it, I don't give them the satisfaction of anything they may want. Now now, the point of PVP is to get killed to paying customers can pad their killboards and stroke the e-peen. How dare you wage economic warfare on them by making them field expensive equipment in an unprofitable activity while denying them a target at the same time! Who do you think you are, Afghanistan?
Fiori 161 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:22:00 - [5] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Usually, I dock up, go semi-AFK, doing things on my other screen, say some stuff in Local to taunt them and waste as much of their time as possible. I don't call out for help, I don't escalate it, I don't give them the satisfaction of anything they may want. They seem to be altering your behavior nicely though. Their failing is a lack of patience, and it results in your satisfaction. If they had more, your tactics would lead to them changing your pattern of behavior indefinitely. That in itself would be achieving a goal, if said goal was more then just padding a killboard. Gawd, I hope they make wardecs more complex so stuff like that actually matters.
Jenshae Chiroptera 275	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:23:00 - [6] - Quote rodyas wrote: Yeah that is standard operating procedure for a war dec, be hard changing them much if people refuse to be a part of them when they happen. Most likely CCP will do a bit of (rude place) squeezing to make us hi seccers want to be war decced or glad we were able to recieve the privilege of being war decced. Like you said about hiding in station, CCP increased PI taxes so you have to use pocos and fight for them, now they read what you posted and make you pay station taxes while being in one during a war dec. Course could not log the whole week, but would be tough to deal with anyhow. They added taxes to npc corp to make up for evading war decs, who knows what else they could do. I pay the Custom Office taxes and I will pay NPC taxes or station taxes. If there isn't a friendly CO/POCO, I will just stop doing PI. It doesn't matter what they do. So long as I have not chosen to fight at that time, my objective is to deny them the kill, frustrate them and to waste their time. If they left me logged in as an NPC, I would jump clone and liquidate my assets or self destruct my pod. Heck, I would even just delete my character and leave the game if their measures were extreme enough. Just so long as I gave them a nice big F.U. in the process. It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Fiori 161 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:27:00 - [7] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If they left me logged in as an NPC, I would jump clone and liquidate my assets or self destruct my pod. Heck, I would even just delete my character and leave the game if their measures were extreme enough. Just so long as I gave them a nice big F.U. in the process. It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will. I'm sorry I just... You just don't grasp how utterly supreme victory that is. How can you think that you have bestowed any kind of F.U. to them in the process of doing something like that? Maybe it's crack?
Jenshae Chiroptera 275	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:27:00 - [8] - Quote Fiori 161 wrote: I'm sorry I just... You just don't grasp how utterly supreme victory that is. How can you think that you have bestowed any kind of F.U. to them in the process of doing something like that? Maybe it's crack? CCP wouldn't like losing more customers. Fiori 161 wrote: ... They seem to be altering your behavior nicely though. Their failing is a lack of patience, and it results in your satisfaction. If they had more, your tactics would lead to them changing your pattern of behavior indefinitely. That in itself would be achieving a goal, if said goal was more then just padding a killboard. Gawd, I hope they make wardecs more complex so stuff like that actually matters. I am semi-AFK when mining or ratting, that is all old hat. I am mining right now as it happens. So, they aren't changing my patterns in that regard. I also have the option to just switch over to an alt if I really want to play. You want to make things interesting? Link accounts and alternative characters. Let us trade kill rights. Then it would get fun. Be able to hit those gankers where it hurts, make them squeal. Have some repercussions in the game instead of making it so easy for people to find soft targets to beat up on. Oh, another fun thing would be having two fits loaded, so that you can swop to PVP fit if you come under attack. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Fiori 161 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:33:00 - [9] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: [quote=Fiori 161] CCP wouldn't like losing more customers. I don't mean to be argumentative, but CCP really does not care what one individual does in order to EMO rage their way out of PVP in a PVP based universe. As for the rest... yes they are altering your pattern of behavior if they are changing the way that your current character interacts with the rest of the universe. Unless ofc all of your toons have perfectly similar skill sets, and your present toon does not bring anything significant to the larger picture. In which case it would be a crap toon. But none of this really matters, because brats who wardec do not have such patience. BRB I need food.
Jenshae Chiroptera 275	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:38:00 - [10] - Quote Fiori 161 wrote: ... But none of this really matters, because brats who wardec do not have such patience. BRB I need food. Recent example is where CCP took away jumps information for worm holes but they didn't take away kills or NPC info. Now the hunters have the activity to know that the system is being ratted, yet the people living there don't know when they are gone. It is also healthy for me to get stopped. I go for a walk, get on the spinner, chat to some friends, read a book, all the while knowing that they didn't get their kill and that is my satisfaction. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
J Kunjeh 108	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:42:00 - [11] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will. Daaaamn...we've got ourselves a true rebel in our forumz! "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Fiori 161 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:46:00 - [12] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Fiori 161 wrote: ... I don't mean to be argumentative, but CCP really does not care what one individual does in order to EMO rage their way out of PVP in a PVP based universe. ... One grain of sand, one snow flake, one straw, they can start an avalanche or break a camel's back. I disseminate information on the various techniques in game to as many care bears as possible just to help them achieve the same objective if they wish. Fiori 161 wrote: ... But none of this really matters, because brats who wardec do not have such patience. BRB I need food. Recent example is where CCP took away jumps information for worm holes but they didn't take away kills or NPC info. Now the hunters have the activity to know that the system is being ratted, yet the people living there don't know when they are gone. It is also healthy for me to get stopped. I go for a walk, get on the spinner, chat to some friends, read a book, all the while knowing that they didn't get their kill and that is my satisfaction. If it blows your skirt up have a party, but I don't think I will ever understand the fear. As much as people insist on pretending otherwise, hiding and denying them kills is never going to be as satisfying as shooting them back in the face. You might even make a friend in the process. I think I am done here, because this is obviously a troll post in order to get a rise out of people.
Jenshae Chiroptera 275	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:52:00 - [13] - Quote Fiori 161 wrote: ... If it blows your skirt up have a party, but I don't think I will ever understand the fear. As much as people insist on pretending otherwise, hiding and denying them kills is never going to be as satisfying as shooting them back in the face. I think I am done here, because this is obviously a troll post in order to get a rise out of people. I do fight, dig through some kill mails and you will see that we recently blew up a POS of someone that got one of ours. I have suicide ganked, with an alt, some people that got me, I waited around, playing on one screen and had the alt up on the other until they left the station, then blew them up before they could turn their modules on. I am vengeful. I also tell some friends who to target when they are looking for someone to kill. I don't just have a list of lost mining barges and 0 kills. However, I have only one pod kill because I scrambled it, haven't and won't do it since. I also have no ships that can't fight back. Annoys my CEO when I refuse to fire or let them get away. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
MadMuppet Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2011.12.23 03:03:00 - [14] - Quote Last time the corp I was in got wardecced I moved to another region (you can probaby still find the posts on the old forum (EDIT: http://eve-search.com/thread/969783-0/page/2 ) and told the 'baddies' to chase me (I was a miner and I actually made more money in the move). They basically turned in to a bunch of whiners asking that 'we come out and play'. Truth be told, if it happened again that way I probably would do the same thing. I guess I'm in a similar boat as the OP, I'll deny them an 'easy' kill. Note to self, 'Red' and 'Flashy Red' are two different things. - From "How I learned to look like an *** in FW" by MadMuppet
Wacktopia Sicarius. The Kadeshi 65	Posted - 2011.12.23 03:13:00 - [15] - Quote My thoughts on wars... - War decs are broken at the moment - The whole "dec shield" waiver is just a joke. - Players existing forever in NPC corps is boring and lame - Combat / war should be one of the many aspects all players must deal with in one way or other - Players in a war should not have to fight; there should be other options available to them - Players declaring a war should not have a simple route to easy fights. - War should not be limited to just a corporation vs another (or alliance). - Payments to CONCORD for the war should be counter-able by the receiver of the war but escallatable by the declarer. - War in hi-sec should be purposeful and challenging for both parties. - War should not be a virtual D-Day landing for new and inexperienced players
Jenshae Chiroptera 276	Posted - 2011.12.23 03:20:00 - [16] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: My thoughts on wars... ... I agree with half of your points. The war dec shields are great, gives breathing room to train newbies, take them on roams, let miners build up some ISK and so forth instead of letting every brat on the block kick your sand castle apart. Edit: I see High Sec as an incubator, not just for new players but new corps and alliances too. Make it 100% safe for all that it matters. Mostly, all I see are those kids that want the easy kill there. Low, null and worm hole space should be where the real PVP occurs. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 161	Posted - 2011.12.23 04:02:00 - [17] - Quote "War should not be a virtual D-Day landing for new and inexperienced players" I was 6 weeks old and head of a 40 man corp all my age. We were wardeced by a corp of players who were 3-7 years old. It lasted for 5 weeks. It competely changed the entire way i play this game. Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 94	Posted - 2011.12.23 05:18:00 - [18] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I agree with half of your points. The war dec shields are great, gives breathing room to train newbies, take them on roams, let miners build up some ISK and so forth instead of letting every brat on the block kick your sand castle apart. Edit: I see High Sec as an incubator, not just for new players but new corps and alliances too. Make it 100% safe for all that it matters. Mostly, all I see are those kids that want the easy kill there. Low, null and worm hole space should be where the real PVP occurs. CCP have stated that they don't like people sitting in hi-sec. They instituted a corp tax to move as many players out of the NPC corps as possible... They do sound as if they want to make hi-sec the "incubator", but at the moment, it doesn't seem to be working that way. I've gotta wonder, what the heck happens to you that you get war-dec'd so often? I've got an alt that is in a little corp (3 people), and dam'd if they've ever been war-dec'd, going on two years now. What happened? Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Sverige Pahis Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 508	Posted - 2011.12.23 05:43:00 - [19] - Quote Mandatory movement of players in starter corps into their own (self named) war-decable corporation after they reach 3 months of age. Removal of other NPC player corporations, players join new corps directly from their old one. If the CEO boots them they get moved back into their own 1-man self-named corp. No player should be able to evade PvP for any substantial amount of time without expending actual effort.
Myxx Atropos Group Blood Right 167	Posted - 2011.12.23 06:45:00 - [20] - Quote Hmmm. I take it the OP is new to EVE.
Indahmawar Fazmarai The I and F Taxation Trust 16	Posted - 2011.12.23 07:51:00 - [21] - Quote Sverige Pahis wrote: Mandatory movement of players in starter corps into their own (self named) war-decable corporation after they reach 3 months of age. Removal of other NPC player corporations, players join new corps directly from their old one. If the CEO boots them they get moved back into their own 1-man self-named corp. No player should be able to evade PvP for any substantial amount of time without expending actual effort. How original, a lame PvP asking that the rules handle her easy targets. I have this other idea, if you're wardecced and it's non-consensual, you can hire a virtual ingame assasin with a 0.1% chance to biomass the wardeccers each day the war lasts. So you just sit and wait for that 1 in 1,000 chance that your wardeccer is exterminated by the rules. It would be interesting to wardec a big corporation with 1,000 players, each one then hiring an assassin. The average war would last about 3 days. (1,000 assasins wih a 1/1000 th chance to kill some guy each day, have a 50% chance to do so each roll, and the usual lucky row is 3 rolls long). IMHO, fukking other players against their will should imply a severe risk of being fukked by the rules.
Florestan Bronstein United Highsec Front The 99 Percent 210	Posted - 2011.12.23 08:18:00 - [22] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: IMHO, fukking other players against their will should imply a severe risk of being fukked by the rules. fucking other players against their will is EVE's unique selling point.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 110	Posted - 2011.12.23 08:20:00 - [23] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will. You agree to PvP when you log in, hell, you agreed to PvP when you registered your account.
Alain Kinsella 13	Posted - 2011.12.23 08:34:00 - [24] - Quote Sverige Pahis wrote: Mandatory movement of players in starter corps into their own (self named) war-decable corporation after they reach 3 months of age. Removal of other NPC player corporations, players join new corps directly from their old one. If the CEO boots them they get moved back into their own 1-man self-named corp. No player should be able to evade PvP for any substantial amount of time without expending actual effort. You're not thinking big enough, while staying simple to implement. Pull the NPC corps into Faction War (or permanent war-dec condition with the opposing Faction, per Lore). Done. Hell, I'd even drop my one guy's personal corp for that kind of fun (since KMs probably won't matter in that case). Couriers and Traders would need self-corps in that case, but most do that anyway... I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player. Just more subtle.
Wacktopia Sicarius. The Kadeshi 67	Posted - 2011.12.23 08:35:00 - [25] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will. You agree to PvP when you log in, hell, you agreed to PvP when you registered your account. No should you have to. Combat and PvP should not be optional parts of EvE but combat should not be the only solution to combat. What I mean by this is; a Corp should be able to declare war on you and attack you but you must have more options at your disposal than only combat or not logging in to counter it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai The I and F Taxation Trust 16	Posted - 2011.12.23 09:15:00 - [26] - Quote Florestan Bronstein wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: IMHO, fukking other players against their will should imply a severe risk of being fukked by the rules. fucking other players against their will is EVE's unique selling point. That would be quite another question, related to how far can they reach riding that horse. When you sell entertainment, your target audience sets the limit of your growth. Providing entertainment to people who (say) enjoy midgets in bikinis will only take you so far until you are forced to look for other targets. Enter DUST 514, enter WoD: new target audiences. But in the meanwhile, your cash cow must keep providing income, and what goes next once you already are selling EVE to everyone interested in non-consensual fukking? And what happens when your real consumer base strays off your intended target audience? What if that silly special about midgets in pajamas thrills your audience beyond what midgets in bikinis ever did...? Fukking other players against their will may be a selling point, but most EVE players are already doing something else. And some are becoming very vocal about wanting more "something else" in addition to fixing the issues with midgets in bikinis...
First Lieutenant Dan Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 30	Posted - 2011.12.23 09:21:00 - [27] - Quote All of your points are now countered.
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 49	Posted - 2011.12.23 09:22:00 - [28] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: IF this is about war declarations and the mechanics involved and if it involves station games and such, here are some of the things I would do in response. [i]Unless I ... I am happy. ... I will .... I ... I ... Usually, I ... I ..., I ..., I ..... why should anybody care about you?
Sycho Pathic Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2011.12.23 09:37:00 - [29] - Quote Fiori 161 wrote: If it blows your skirt up have a party, but I don't think I will ever understand the fear. As much as people insist on pretending otherwise, hiding and denying them kills is never going to be as satisfying as shooting them back in the face. I see someone parked outside a station, wasting time, trash-talking local...Waiting...talking...waiting I see another person parked in station. Netflix on in another window. Sipping a coke. Giggling. Taking bets with corpmates on how long the numbskull sits out there and waits. The winner here is obvious. PS: What is this fear thing you speak of?
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 134	Posted - 2011.12.23 10:27:00 - [30] - Quote Wah, the developers of this PvP game are going to work on the PvP mechanics! Wah! sage [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)

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