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Ryzhik Belka
Free of Taxes
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:10:55 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads. You mistook another warm salty bodily fluid for tears. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
527
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:11:23 -
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JPC2501 wrote: Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned. IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly. The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
Considering that most industrial ships have weak tanks there is not a lot you can do, now you can tank without killing too much of your agility.
In your rigs, you want medium transverse bulkhead, these decreases you overall cargo but increase you HP in your hull which is where the most HP already is and you greatest EHP when a damage control unit is in low.
In you mids you want some nice passive resistance mods (shield extenders provide HP but increase signature), making it easier for more hits to get you.
In lows, this is the tricky part, agility or warp core stabilizers, agility helps you be a harder to catch prey while warp core stabilizers will help you flee when tackled, this is situational, if hauling low value products fit for agility because you are less likely to be a (I stress this lightly), a prime target, for more valuable cargo warp core stabilizers will help you flee. When someone points you.
Remember you have got to make it "less" profitable for them to want to kill you so in any one T-1 hauler try not to carry more then 30 million in cargo (even that is a bit much IMO), but let say you have 50% of your cargo drop this means they get about 15 million, a good gank fit is about 10 million, so depending on the security space your in and how fast Concord Will respond X the amount of ships they have to use to drop you quickly enough, in 0.5 probably no fit will be enough because even 1 destroyer can hit pretty hard and have enough time to pop you.
In this case, wait out your timer, anybody with a -10 sec status cannot stay too long on a gate before being attacked, so say you jump you see a red, wait, do not decloak, you may get lucky and this may happen...
1. They warp off.
2. Another player attacks them, the police attack them.
3. Another unfortunate soul moved and gets pointed by them, in which case GTFO.
There is no guarantee for industrial ships, they are too weak, but a combination of a "good" fit and strategies will help you be a less promising target. |
Paranoid Loyd
9741
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:13:36 -
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Ryzhik Belka wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads. You mistook another warm salty bodily fluid for tears. Well that's certainly a new reply, so... you get off on whining about bumping?
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Ryzhik Belka
Free of Taxes
5
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:22:34 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads. You mistook another warm salty bodily fluid for tears. Well that's certainly a new reply, so... you get off on whining about bumping? You've got to admit there's something about large phallic ship repeadetly running into another. |
Paranoid Loyd
9742
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:03:33 -
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Eh, no. Speak for yourself.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Paranoid Loyd
9742
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:30:27 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote: (most gankers use blasters. so thermal/kinetic resist is all you need)
Missed this earlier, this is also bad info. Under the circumstances OP is talking about gankers will be fit with long range guns and/or sentry drones, not blasters as you will be sitting on the gate waiting for them to decloak and pop them while they are aligning. A hurricane or nado is just as likely to pop you under these circumstances so only fitting for kin/therm isn't necessarily the best idea either, but as it comes down to probabilities, it's not necessarily bad advice either.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
529
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:08:56 -
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Run a Charon with 3x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II in the lows. |
xXuber-NitsheXx
81
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:23:43 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:JPC2501 wrote:Thanks, I do need the cargo space. IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space. I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so! Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be. Interestingly, it is actually harder than it was in previous years. No more insurance for ganking. Prices for ships have gone up. No more "boomerang" tactic. Security Status goes down faster. More fast locking ships are now available (for counter ganking) More tactics for quickly getting around safely have been discovered and reported. Industrial ships have more HP than before. More industrials have large "specialized holds" for stuff, allowing people to fit their ships entirely with tanking mods. Freighters and other ships of the same size have more HP. There are more dedicated groups than before (it used to be more of a lol-casual thing) focusing more on chokepoints in the game... but overall, ganking is at an all time low.
Agree with the Fluffer.
Used to be a performance art group run by Jimmy513 sumthin. He recruited all the fish John West rejected n was making dank iskies 12mnths ago.
His pets made nuthen whilst he raked it in, all power to his Ponzi scheme. Now ganking freighters is all too hard for those 5cents short of a $, n the window lickers have moved on to slow moving miners.
Stats don't lie, look at Jimmy's figures 12 mnths ago compared to now. Sorry to read the last rites but (, sorry forgot their name already, ) Jimmy's jokers have lost.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
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Loutro Fift
The Killer Cockatoos Initiative Mercenaries
26
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:36:16 -
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This is good advice, but it's not what I do.
I typically run between 150-190 ISk in raw materials weekly from Null sec to a major hub. I use a Nereus with four expanded cargo holds, 1 inertial thingy and 3 max optimization rigs, some shields and a cloak.
I've been popped probably twice with a full cargohold worth 150+. But I've made this run so frequently and successfully that the loss doesn't matter.
The key? Knowing what time of day and what day is best to run to the hub.
I have bookmarks from each gate that I set up using a frigate. I call them straight out bookmarks...I jump and then fly straight out and book mark at about 500km. This way there is no align time. I have successfully evaded solo pilots in my Nereus doing this. Gangs...not so much. Sometimes I use another alt to scout ahead. But recently I've been going solo.
I admit I have a high tolerance for risk. I'm hardheaded. But determined...your mileage may vary. |
Robot Robot
What.
35
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:47:01 -
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Loutro Fift wrote: I have bookmarks from each gate that I set up using a frigate. I call them straight out bookmarks...I jump and then fly straight out and book mark at about 500km. This way there is no align time.
I'm pretty sure that your bookmarks are doing absolutely nothing to speed up your warp. They're just slowing down your trips and increasing your risk.
As, I understand it, when your ship is at a standstill it can warp in any direction in the exact same amount of time, no matter which direction it appears to be "pointing." |
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Loutro Fift
The Killer Cockatoos Initiative Mercenaries
26
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:57:47 -
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But I have no align time...that doesn't help? |
Captain Dingles
Vapid Vacuums Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
80
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Posted - 2016.10.26 03:19:15 -
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I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult. Come and get me ;) |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1634
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Posted - 2016.10.26 03:37:18 -
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Captain Dingles wrote:I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult. Come and get me ;)
This is what smartbomb Rokhs are for.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5961
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Posted - 2016.10.26 04:43:14 -
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Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
You do have align time, you just aren't aware of it. Align time is everything from when you click "warp" to when the speed bar reaches 75% and then drops to zero, at which point you are actually in warp.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2541
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Posted - 2016.10.26 05:26:04 -
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Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
Nope. You're misunderstanding how aligning works. If you're starting from a complete standstill, as after a gate jump, your align time is identical no matter what direction you're going in. Your bookmarks are doing nothing for you.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2970
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Posted - 2016.10.26 05:51:42 -
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JPC2501 wrote: Is there anyway to defend against this?
If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent.
Looking forward to your permit request
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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xXuber-NitsheXx
84
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Posted - 2016.10.26 06:39:20 -
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Nope, still can't remember Jimmy513's crews name, just not a thang anymore...
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
227
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Posted - 2016.10.26 08:00:46 -
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I do it this way: fill the lows with as much warp Stabies that you can. put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2) MWD Trick and be gone. Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.
This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp. Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies.
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Robot Robot
What.
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Posted - 2016.10.26 10:53:19 -
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Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
The way your ship is "pointed" is purely a graphical thing, it's not represented in game mechanics at all.
So think of your ship as a perfectly spherical marble. When it's moving, it has momentum in a direction, and the game's graphics engine does it's best to keep the picture of the ship pointed in the direction of the marble's momentum. But when the marble is stopped, it can start rolling in any direction equally quickly. If you decide to start rolling that marble "backwards" relative to the way the ship appears to be pointed, that's just fine. The resulting graphics of your ship turning around is just an animation happening inside the marble. So you can get to warp speed in the same amount of time regardless of direction.
Now if the marble is moving already and you want to warp, that's a different story. your ship is still a marble, but it has momentum and direction (which the game will be attempting to closely follow with the graphics). If you want to warp "backwards" now, your ship has to first counteract its forward momentum before it can start warping the other way, and that takes time.
This is why insta-undocks on stations are important. Your marble rolls out of the station already at speed to enter warp. So if you warp in that direction, it is instantaneous. But if you try to warp in a different direction, it can actually take longer than it would have from a standstill. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
386
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Posted - 2016.10.26 12:41:37 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:JPC2501 wrote: Is there anyway to defend against this?
If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent. Looking forward to your permit request
Seriously... time to do a bit of rebranding on your branching out.
Why sell just a Mining permit to cover everything, when you can sell mining and Innocent Passage permits.
--Curious Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1543
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Posted - 2016.10.26 14:13:34 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:I do it this way: fill the lows with as much warp Stabies as you can. put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2) MWD Trick and be gone. Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.
This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp. Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies. You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler. Filling the lows with Warp Stabies isn't going to do a lot for you in high sec either as in most case you will be dead before you can go to warp and they will conflict with the need for cargohold mods.
The best you can do is sacrifice one low for a DC II, put the best shield tank in the mids and then keep your cargo low value.
@ OP: I guess you tried to learn from your 239M Tayra loss in 2010. At least you tried a few T1 tanking modules this time. But really anything over 50M being hauled by something that can be killed by a single 19M Vexor is asking for trouble. As a rule of thumb, half the mods/cargo drops, that includes both the ganked and ganker. So the ganker would have reckoned to get 8M + 78M - 19M (outlay) for an estimated profit of 67M and a leet Killmail. In reality, he got 4M from his Vexor, but only 1M of your cargo and mods, so a net loss of 14M and a sec hit. That is a terrible loot fairy result, but is still peanuts and may even be subsidised by his corp. Small wonder that gankers are still thriving. |
Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
76
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Posted - 2016.10.26 14:13:36 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:JPC2501 wrote: Is there anyway to defend against this?
If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent. Looking forward to your permit request heres my permit request *puts the skull of the last code ganker to try to gank me in front of you*
see? i carved him up all nice and pretty after he interrupted my peaceful day with his delusions.
for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. i say try, cause they 0/3 on me so far. (and thats just my endurance miner)
keep a microwarp drive on and some ecm drones, and at least a 6k eff hp tank. and they pretty worthless in the PvP department. thats what happens when you spend your entire pvp life picking on people who don't fight back. you begin to suck vs someone actually prepared to fight back.
oh btw, low sec says hi. when your balls drop. come play with us. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14852
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Posted - 2016.10.26 15:12:45 -
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"What is the current status of high-sec ganking?"
Don't know, I spend my play time somewhere in the 84% of New Eden that isn't high sec, where 'ganking' isn't really a thing, and where you don['t get punished for defending yourself. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
219
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Posted - 2016.10.26 15:54:21 -
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JPC2501 wrote: Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned. IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly. The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
Dont undock in an untanked T1 hauler with 150mil cargo. Suicide ganking ships are dirt cheap. So cheap that gankers sometimes even attack empty freighters. Just for fun.
Fit your hauler for fast align time and tank, when you have an alt use him for scouting and avoid notorious ganking systems like Uedama and Niajara. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2546
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:00:16 -
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Major Trant wrote: You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler.
Yes, hi, hello, a quick question: Do you even play this game?
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
18456
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:31:50 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help? You do have align time, you just aren't aware of it. Align time is everything from when you click "warp" to when the speed bar reaches 75% and then drops to zero, at which point you are actually in warp. You can see align time in new fitting window that they are testing on test server.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2971
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:39:01 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
77
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:17:38 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.
no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system"
theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it.
so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
84
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:43:34 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it. so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill
Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations?
No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured... |
Captain Dingles
Vapid Vacuums Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
80
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:47:16 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Captain Dingles wrote:I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult. Come and get me ;) This is what smartbomb Rokhs are for.
Yup that happened to me once so i do take the precaution of not going gate to gate when i i got dudes in system. |
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