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JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:49:38 -
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Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
561
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:53:46 -
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JPC2501 wrote:
Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
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Paranoid Loyd
9740
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:54:06 -
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Yes, tank your ship properly.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
381
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:57:00 -
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JPC2501 wrote:
Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
Escorts, scouts, proper use of contacts, pay someone else to transport, use different routes, use the right ship for the job, and tank that ship properly.
NONE of these alone is the magic pill to avoid ganking. Used properly together, you have a 99% chance to avoid a random gank.
War, being on someone's KOS list, and game glitches mess that metric up a bit.
The ganking is pretty much the same, but I'm sure some of the pirates will be here to spread their tales soon enough. 
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2535
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:00:36 -
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JPC2501 wrote:
Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
Assuming I'm looking at the right killmail:
Your tank was pretty bad, even for a Tayra. Haulers these days have some slightly more specialized roles, depending on race, but everyone has at least a smaller (cargo wise), tankier, generally more mobile one, and a bigger (cargo), slower, paper-thin one. The Tayra is the latter for Caldari while the Badger is the former.
While that isn't a LOT of cargo, it's more than enough to offset the firepower needed to take out your Tayra, so it's *enough* cargo value to make it worthwhile. The tankier the ship, the higher the threshold before it's worth it.
There are also some tricks you can use, particularly in gank-prone areas, such as using a cloak and MWD to perform your alignment cloaked.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
71
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:19:26 -
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get to warp as fast as possible
don't carry more than your ship is worth
right now, the "meta" of high sec gank is FAST lock on speed(as in 2 secounds), and then about 1k dps per ship.
0.5 and 0.6 systems are extremely easy to get ganked in.
0.7 is what 0.5 was 3 years ago. (in terms of how likely you are to be ganked)
if you can covert ops cloak. do it.
if you can use the microwarpdrive warp trick. do it.
otherwise, avoid 0.5 and 0.6
tank out or use inertia modules
use the in game map to look for 1. ships destroyed in last hour. and 2. pilots undocked in past hour.
Avoid key systems like
Madirmilire
Uedama <-Freighter suicide hotline.
Niarja
Sivala
add code. (they used to be .code) to your watch list.
and be social, when you see a freighter come out of a gate your going into, open a chat with them and ask if its clear. this helps me alot.
oh and if u have a friend, have them duel you, and web you to get to warp fast.
have them scout out for code members
as much as i want to protect people who get ganked, the game's mechanics mean i can only avenge as i can't help until they open fire.(and if i offer to web you...most people assume i tricking them. can't blame em honestly) |
JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
0
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:38:21 -
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ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
71
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:41:28 -
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JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
yep yep
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Paranoid Loyd
9740
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:50:45 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
yep yep
This is incorrect, there are two classes of T1 haulers. Badger, Wreathe, Nereus and Sigil can easily survive when properly fit.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
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JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
0
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:51:19 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
yep yep
So.. is the best strategy no tank at all the the MWD trick with cloak?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2536
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:54:56 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
yep yep
For the record, a ~75K omni EHP Nereus isn't all that hard to make. Probably pull off 100K against kin/therm. Won't haul a ton, of course, but you can strap a pretty beefy tank to them if you're so inclined.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
71
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:58:42 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:
This is incorrect, there are two classes of T1 haulers. Badger, Wreathe, Nereus and Sigil can easily survive when properly fit.
ah right. forgot about those xD
though the rest of the points still stand. don't make those 4 "cargo expanded"
its best to make them fast warp set up
JPC2501 wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
yep yep So.. is the best strategy no tank at all the the MWD trick with cloak?
depends on the ship but generally yes
some ships (like the gent above who corrected me) have fast warp speed, but smaller cargo.
put inertia stablizers on them and warp warp
Covert Ops cloaks(t2 industrials) are most ideal
as for microwarp/ cloak. i'm not sure if both work together. by cloak i ment the t2 version
though i guess cloaking and flying off a distance would work...but its risky
microwarp only works if they don't scramble you.
so i'd say in 0.5-0.7
use the 4 above with inertia set up.
or a pretty powerful tank (most gankers use blasters. so thermal/kinetic resist is all you need) |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
10775
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:59:13 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
So correct me if IGÇÖm wrong, but a T1 transport ship even with full tank canGÇÖt really survive 2 basic T1 cruisers in 0.5 or .6?
That's about 40,000 damage over the 20 second response time in 0.5.
yep yep
Actually... it is more common that you will encounter T1 Destroyers that pump out, at most, 400-500 dps.
You can easily tank one or two with a tanky T1 Industrial, but as pointed out above, the best solution is to get around faster with or without help.
Also, tesponse time for CONCORD is closer to 15 seconds under realistic conditions.
How did you Veterans start?
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JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
0
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:59:34 -
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Thanks, I do need the cargo space.
IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space.
I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so!
Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
71
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:02:21 -
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JPC2501 wrote:Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be.
and that thinking is why we have contract jobs that put food on the table for people like my alt xD
specially with Uedama being freighter suicide. so i end up going on the 44 or so jump side path(passing hek) with alot of contracts for massive profit cause alot of people have given up with Uedama being what it is.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2536
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:03:05 -
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JPC2501 wrote:Thanks, I do need the cargo space. IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space. I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so! Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be.
If you have sufficient volume, and appropriately value your time, public courier contracts are really very economical. I almost never haul anything myself more than a few "last mile" jumps.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
652
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:04:31 -
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The way I defend against it is putting the risk of hauling on someone else by using courier contracts
@lunettelulu7
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
10776
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:07:11 -
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JPC2501 wrote:Thanks, I do need the cargo space. IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space. I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so! Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be.
Interestingly, it is actually harder than it was in previous years.
No more insurance for ganking.
Prices for ships have gone up.
No more "boomerang" tactic.
Security Status goes down faster.
More fast locking ships are now available (for counter ganking)
More tactics for quickly getting around safely have been discovered and reported.
Industrial ships have more HP than before.
More industrials have large "specialized holds" for stuff, allowing people to fit their ships entirely with tanking mods.
Freighters and other ships of the same size have more HP.
There are more dedicated groups than before (it used to be more of a lol-casual thing) focusing more on chokepoints in the game... but overall, ganking is at an all time low.
How did you Veterans start?
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JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
0
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:19:51 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:JPC2501 wrote:Thanks, I do need the cargo space. IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space. I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so! Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be. Interestingly, it is actually harder than it was in previous years. No more insurance for ganking. Prices for ships have gone up. No more "boomerang" tactic. Security Status goes down faster. More fast locking ships are now available (for counter ganking) More tactics for quickly getting around safely have been discovered and reported. Industrial ships have more HP than before. More industrials have large "specialized holds" for stuff, allowing people to fit their ships entirely with tanking mods. Freighters and other ships of the same size have more HP. There are more dedicated groups than before (it used to be more of a lol-casual thing) focusing more on chokepoints in the game... but overall, ganking is at an all time low.
Interesting, perhaps I just got unlucky. |
Gogela
Heh...
3362
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:20:09 -
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Meh. I've been keeping busy. The ganking is good.
If you want to avoid camps in .5-.6 focus on your tank. If you want to avoid ganks in 1.0, warp fast. There are some new modules that can help for both... haulers have more tank now. That said, we'll always find a way. Don't haul more than your ship is worth is the best advice, tbqh. You can deter me... CODE. don't care and will pop you no matter what. Get a mining permit? 
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
432
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:21:33 -
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JPC2501 wrote:Thanks, I do need the cargo space. IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space. I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so! Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be.
That's a good point about the job aspect.
I do everything I can to minimise the time spent doing boring stuff. In your position I would use a courier service to move stuff, and a DST for the final part of the goods movement. |
JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
0
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:22:16 -
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[/quote]
and that thinking is why we have contract jobs that put food on the table for people like my alt xD
[/quote]
I might take you up on that next time!
Usually, I AKF the trip to the cargo then fly it back myself.
I've been ganked before in high sec, but never when I was not afk. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27017
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:30:31 -
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Personally I'd say 130m is too much to be hauling in a T1, I use well tanked fast to warp T1 haulers and won't exceed 100m in cargo; if I have a more valuable or large multijump load I shift the risk to Red Frog.
Knowing who, and where, your friendly neighbourhood gankers are is useful intel, set them to terrible with the standings mechanic so that they're obvious in local.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
81
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:35:27 -
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The current status?
We're in the miner killin' business, and cousin, business is a-boomin'! |
Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
73
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:48:46 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:The current status? We're in the miner killin' business, and cousin, business is a-boomin'! 
*continues to mine as falcon sits on top of me*
life is so much easier when you not alone |
Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
64
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:51:51 -
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How is it this thread is on page two and no one has given the best advice yet?
GET A PERMIT AND FLY COMPLIANT.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
384
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:57:29 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:How is it this thread is on page two and no one has given the best advice yet?
GET A PERMIT AND FLY COMPLIANT.
We were waiting for you, dear.
Have a cookie.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
419
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Posted - 2016.10.25 22:13:04 -
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Looked up your loss.
You had four modules that reduced your hull by 23% each.
You had three rigs that reduced your armour by 5-10% each (skills dependent).
The feeble resistance mods you had fitted were T1 and meta.
[EDIT] And you didn't need two of those Expanded Cargoholds. It would have fit with two, made you faster and stronger while doing so. |
Ryzhik Belka
Free of Taxes
5
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Posted - 2016.10.25 22:58:36 -
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Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. |
Paranoid Loyd
9741
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:06:53 -
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Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration.
This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Ryzhik Belka
Free of Taxes
5
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:10:55 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads.
You mistook another warm salty bodily fluid for tears. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
527
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:11:23 -
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JPC2501 wrote:
Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
Considering that most industrial ships have weak tanks there is not a lot you can do, now you can tank without killing too much of your agility.
In your rigs, you want medium transverse bulkhead, these decreases you overall cargo but increase you HP in your hull which is where the most HP already is and you greatest EHP when a damage control unit is in low.
In you mids you want some nice passive resistance mods (shield extenders provide HP but increase signature), making it easier for more hits to get you.
In lows, this is the tricky part, agility or warp core stabilizers, agility helps you be a harder to catch prey while warp core stabilizers will help you flee when tackled, this is situational, if hauling low value products fit for agility because you are less likely to be a (I stress this lightly), a prime target, for more valuable cargo warp core stabilizers will help you flee. When someone points you.
Remember you have got to make it "less" profitable for them to want to kill you so in any one T-1 hauler try not to carry more then 30 million in cargo (even that is a bit much IMO), but let say you have 50% of your cargo drop this means they get about 15 million, a good gank fit is about 10 million, so depending on the security space your in and how fast Concord Will respond X the amount of ships they have to use to drop you quickly enough, in 0.5 probably no fit will be enough because even 1 destroyer can hit pretty hard and have enough time to pop you.
In this case, wait out your timer, anybody with a -10 sec status cannot stay too long on a gate before being attacked, so say you jump you see a red, wait, do not decloak, you may get lucky and this may happen...
1. They warp off.
2. Another player attacks them, the police attack them.
3. Another unfortunate soul moved and gets pointed by them, in which case GTFO.
There is no guarantee for industrial ships, they are too weak, but a combination of a "good" fit and strategies will help you be a less promising target. |
Paranoid Loyd
9741
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:13:36 -
[33] - Quote
Ryzhik Belka wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads. You mistook another warm salty bodily fluid for tears.
Well that's certainly a new reply, so... you get off on whining about bumping?
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Ryzhik Belka
Free of Taxes
5
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:22:34 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ryzhik Belka wrote:Don't forget the bumping. If you're in a slow ship, there's no need for kamikaze-squad. A single Machariel can hold you hostage untill you pay ransom or self-destruct your ship in frustration. This thread isn't about freighters. Please keep your tears in the appropriate threads. You mistook another warm salty bodily fluid for tears. Well that's certainly a new reply, so... you get off on whining about bumping?
You've got to admit there's something about large phallic ship repeadetly running into another. |
Paranoid Loyd
9742
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:03:33 -
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Eh, no. Speak for yourself.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Paranoid Loyd
9742
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:30:27 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote: (most gankers use blasters. so thermal/kinetic resist is all you need)
Missed this earlier, this is also bad info. Under the circumstances OP is talking about gankers will be fit with long range guns and/or sentry drones, not blasters as you will be sitting on the gate waiting for them to decloak and pop them while they are aligning. A hurricane or nado is just as likely to pop you under these circumstances so only fitting for kin/therm isn't necessarily the best idea either, but as it comes down to probabilities, it's not necessarily bad advice either.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
529
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:08:56 -
[37] - Quote
Run a Charon with 3x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II in the lows.  |
xXuber-NitsheXx
81
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:23:43 -
[38] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:JPC2501 wrote:Thanks, I do need the cargo space. IGÇÖm just using an alt to transport POS fuel made in WH space. I hadnGÇÖt realized the prevalence and ease of ganking had made this tedious task even more so! Ugh, IGÇÖm starting to recall how much of a GÇ£jobGÇ¥ this game can be. Interestingly, it is actually harder than it was in previous years. No more insurance for ganking. Prices for ships have gone up. No more "boomerang" tactic. Security Status goes down faster. More fast locking ships are now available (for counter ganking) More tactics for quickly getting around safely have been discovered and reported. Industrial ships have more HP than before. More industrials have large "specialized holds" for stuff, allowing people to fit their ships entirely with tanking mods. Freighters and other ships of the same size have more HP. There are more dedicated groups than before (it used to be more of a lol-casual thing) focusing more on chokepoints in the game... but overall, ganking is at an all time low.
Agree with the Fluffer.
Used to be a performance art group run by Jimmy513 sumthin. He recruited all the fish John West rejected n was making dank iskies 12mnths ago.
His pets made nuthen whilst he raked it in, all power to his Ponzi scheme. Now ganking freighters is all too hard for those 5cents short of a $, n the window lickers have moved on to slow moving miners.
Stats don't lie, look at Jimmy's figures 12 mnths ago compared to now. Sorry to read the last rites but (, sorry forgot their name already, ) Jimmy's jokers have lost.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Loutro Fift
The Killer Cockatoos
Initiative Mercenaries
26
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:36:16 -
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This is good advice, but it's not what I do.
I typically run between 150-190 ISk in raw materials weekly from Null sec to a major hub. I use a Nereus with four expanded cargo holds, 1 inertial thingy and 3 max optimization rigs, some shields and a cloak.
I've been popped probably twice with a full cargohold worth 150+. But I've made this run so frequently and successfully that the loss doesn't matter.
The key? Knowing what time of day and what day is best to run to the hub.
I have bookmarks from each gate that I set up using a frigate. I call them straight out bookmarks...I jump and then fly straight out and book mark at about 500km. This way there is no align time. I have successfully evaded solo pilots in my Nereus doing this. Gangs...not so much. Sometimes I use another alt to scout ahead. But recently I've been going solo.
I admit I have a high tolerance for risk. I'm hardheaded. But determined...your mileage may vary. |
Robot Robot
What.
35
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:47:01 -
[40] - Quote
Loutro Fift wrote:
I have bookmarks from each gate that I set up using a frigate. I call them straight out bookmarks...I jump and then fly straight out and book mark at about 500km. This way there is no align time.
I'm pretty sure that your bookmarks are doing absolutely nothing to speed up your warp. They're just slowing down your trips and increasing your risk.
As, I understand it, when your ship is at a standstill it can warp in any direction in the exact same amount of time, no matter which direction it appears to be "pointing." |
Loutro Fift
The Killer Cockatoos
Initiative Mercenaries
26
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:57:47 -
[41] - Quote
But I have no align time...that doesn't help? |
Captain Dingles
Vapid Vacuums Inc.
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
80
|
Posted - 2016.10.26 03:19:15 -
[42] - Quote
I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult.
Come and get me ;) |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1634
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Posted - 2016.10.26 03:37:18 -
[43] - Quote
Captain Dingles wrote:I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult.
Come and get me ;)
This is what smartbomb Rokhs are for.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5961
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Posted - 2016.10.26 04:43:14 -
[44] - Quote
Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
You do have align time, you just aren't aware of it. Align time is everything from when you click "warp" to when the speed bar reaches 75% and then drops to zero, at which point you are actually in warp.
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2541
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Posted - 2016.10.26 05:26:04 -
[45] - Quote
Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
Nope. You're misunderstanding how aligning works. If you're starting from a complete standstill, as after a gate jump, your align time is identical no matter what direction you're going in. Your bookmarks are doing nothing for you.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2970
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Posted - 2016.10.26 05:51:42 -
[46] - Quote
JPC2501 wrote:
Is there anyway to defend against this?
If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent.
Looking forward to your permit request
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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xXuber-NitsheXx
84
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Posted - 2016.10.26 06:39:20 -
[47] - Quote
Nope, still can't remember Jimmy513's crews name, just not a thang anymore...
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
227
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Posted - 2016.10.26 08:00:46 -
[48] - Quote
I do it this way:
fill the lows with as much warp Stabies that you can.
put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2)
MWD Trick and be gone.
Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.
This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp.
Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies.
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Robot Robot
What.
38
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Posted - 2016.10.26 10:53:19 -
[49] - Quote
Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
The way your ship is "pointed" is purely a graphical thing, it's not represented in game mechanics at all.
So think of your ship as a perfectly spherical marble. When it's moving, it has momentum in a direction, and the game's graphics engine does it's best to keep the picture of the ship pointed in the direction of the marble's momentum. But when the marble is stopped, it can start rolling in any direction equally quickly. If you decide to start rolling that marble "backwards" relative to the way the ship appears to be pointed, that's just fine. The resulting graphics of your ship turning around is just an animation happening inside the marble. So you can get to warp speed in the same amount of time regardless of direction.
Now if the marble is moving already and you want to warp, that's a different story. your ship is still a marble, but it has momentum and direction (which the game will be attempting to closely follow with the graphics). If you want to warp "backwards" now, your ship has to first counteract its forward momentum before it can start warping the other way, and that takes time.
This is why insta-undocks on stations are important. Your marble rolls out of the station already at speed to enter warp. So if you warp in that direction, it is instantaneous. But if you try to warp in a different direction, it can actually take longer than it would have from a standstill. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
386
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Posted - 2016.10.26 12:41:37 -
[50] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:JPC2501 wrote:
Is there anyway to defend against this?
If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent. Looking forward to your permit request
Seriously... time to do a bit of rebranding on your branching out.
Why sell just a Mining permit to cover everything, when you can sell mining and Innocent Passage permits.
--Curious Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1543
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Posted - 2016.10.26 14:13:34 -
[51] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:I do it this way:
fill the lows with as much warp Stabies as you can.
put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2)
MWD Trick and be gone.
Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.
This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp.
Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies.
You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler. Filling the lows with Warp Stabies isn't going to do a lot for you in high sec either as in most case you will be dead before you can go to warp and they will conflict with the need for cargohold mods.
The best you can do is sacrifice one low for a DC II, put the best shield tank in the mids and then keep your cargo low value.
@ OP: I guess you tried to learn from your 239M Tayra loss in 2010. At least you tried a few T1 tanking modules this time. But really anything over 50M being hauled by something that can be killed by a single 19M Vexor is asking for trouble. As a rule of thumb, half the mods/cargo drops, that includes both the ganked and ganker. So the ganker would have reckoned to get 8M + 78M - 19M (outlay) for an estimated profit of 67M and a leet Killmail. In reality, he got 4M from his Vexor, but only 1M of your cargo and mods, so a net loss of 14M and a sec hit. That is a terrible loot fairy result, but is still peanuts and may even be subsidised by his corp. Small wonder that gankers are still thriving. |
Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
76
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Posted - 2016.10.26 14:13:36 -
[52] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:JPC2501 wrote:
Is there anyway to defend against this?
If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent. Looking forward to your permit request
heres my permit request
*puts the skull of the last code ganker to try to gank me in front of you*
see? i carved him up all nice and pretty after he interrupted my peaceful day with his delusions.
for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. i say try, cause they 0/3 on me so far. (and thats just my endurance miner)
keep a microwarp drive on and some ecm drones, and at least a 6k eff hp tank. and they pretty worthless in the PvP department.
thats what happens when you spend your entire pvp life picking on people who don't fight back. you begin to suck vs someone actually prepared to fight back.
oh btw, low sec says hi. when your balls drop. come play with us. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
14852
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Posted - 2016.10.26 15:12:45 -
[53] - Quote
"What is the current status of high-sec ganking?"
Don't know, I spend my play time somewhere in the 84% of New Eden that isn't high sec, where 'ganking' isn't really a thing, and where you don['t get punished for defending yourself. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
219
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Posted - 2016.10.26 15:54:21 -
[54] - Quote
JPC2501 wrote:
Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
Dont undock in an untanked T1 hauler with 150mil cargo.
Suicide ganking ships are dirt cheap. So cheap that gankers sometimes even attack empty freighters. Just for fun.
Fit your hauler for fast align time and tank, when you have an alt use him for scouting and avoid notorious ganking systems like Uedama and Niajara. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2546
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:00:16 -
[55] - Quote
Major Trant wrote:
You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler.
Yes, hi, hello, a quick question: Do you even play this game?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
18456
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:31:50 -
[56] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Loutro Fift wrote:But I have no align time...that doesn't help? You do have align time, you just aren't aware of it. Align time is everything from when you click "warp" to when the speed bar reaches 75% and then drops to zero, at which point you are actually in warp.
You can see align time in new fitting window that they are testing on test server.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2971
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:39:01 -
[57] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway.
Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
77
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:17:38 -
[58] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.
no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system"
theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it.
so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
84
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:43:34 -
[59] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it. so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill
Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations?
No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured... |
Captain Dingles
Vapid Vacuums Inc.
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
80
|
Posted - 2016.10.26 17:47:16 -
[60] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Captain Dingles wrote:I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult.
Come and get me ;) This is what smartbomb Rokhs are for.
Yup that happened to me once so i do take the precaution of not going gate to gate when i i got dudes in system. |
JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
3
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:56:16 -
[61] - Quote
Hey thank you all for the advice.
I was playing EVE for 5 years, and then was away for 5, now I feel like a total rookie again.
Right now IGÇÖm just trying to get organized and find stuff to liquidate for ISK, (having lived in a c6 WH its really scattered) then find something to do here.
A lot has changed from my perspective. Looks like all the cargo ships have changed in terms of fitting and intended use.
I didnGÇÖt even realize such a strong tank could be fitted to a transport now, and that what was previously the low end model is now the tougher of the two.
So from what I can see, we have 1 major strategy GÇô Cargo Value vs Gank cost.
Thanks for the math on that.
And 2 Fitting strategies, both of which seem to have some merit.
1. Tank + warp stabilizers
2. Speed, Maneuverability, Cloak. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1234
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Posted - 2016.10.26 18:10:32 -
[62] - Quote
JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha.
I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
In this regard nothing much has changed in the last 6 years. It was just as bad an idea back then as it is today, to put more than 50M worth into a T1 hauler.
T1 haulers with 100M or more have always been prime ganking targets, unless you took precautions.
Remove insurance.
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xXuber-NitsheXx
94
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Posted - 2016.10.27 01:50:24 -
[63] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it. so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations? No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured... The truth is, New Order permits are in fact honored, it's just that highsec carebears are terrible at following the few simple rules that everyone else in the game routinely adhere to.
,
I provide the link from an internal mail.
Permits are not honoured.
But hey, make JimJones315 rich, he is smart and you are his peon in the hierarchy of things.
Do you empty his chamber pot in the morning? 
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.10.27 07:42:31 -
[64] - Quote
Major Trant wrote:Geronimo McVain wrote:I do it this way:
fill the lows with as much warp Stabies as you can.
put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2)
MWD Trick and be gone.
Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.
This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp.
Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies. You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler. Filling the lows with Warp Stabies isn't going to do a lot for you in high sec either as in most case you will be dead before you can go to warp and they will conflict with the need for cargohold mods.
???? Where is the problem with a 50 MWD on a T1 Hauler + Cloak + stabis on a hauler? Sure you will have to cut into the tank but the idea is not to survive the ganking attempt but not getting caught in the first place. Tank on this configuartion is superfluous because when you are caught you are dead. When fitting tank you are relying on the (lack of) skills of the attacker and my configuration relays on your own ability to pull the MWD trick. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2972
|
Posted - 2016.10.27 09:43:50 -
[65] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system"
More lies to mislead people into bot-aspirancy. I think it is obvious to anyone but you how you are responsible for the actions we have to take against the miners who listen to your words. It's like you would tell some kids "drugs are fine, don't listen to the parents and the police, they are a corrupt system, you will be fine" and then you tell everyone it is the polices fault if they catch those kids.
Stop this insanity now and comply to the Code!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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xXuber-NitsheXx
95
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:52:33 -
[66] - Quote
Now she knows her place, she is the chamber pot. The wretched of the Universe.
Out there day after day ganking her hump for just one man, no recognition for her hard work.
N the man comes around each week for her filthy lucre.
A slap or some ridicule if she does not meet her quota.
Break free young lady, he treats you no good......
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:54:39 -
[67] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" More lies to mislead people into bot-aspirancy. I think it is obvious to anyone but you how you are responsible for the actions we have to take against the miners who listen to your words. It's like you would tell some kids "drugs are fine, don't listen to the parents and the police, they are a corrupt system, you will be fine" and then you tell everyone it is the polices fault if they catch those kids. Stop this insanity now and comply to the Code!
Yes the CODE
A protection racket, that does not even protect you from themselves let alone anyone else.
Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2972
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:55:27 -
[68] - Quote
Our fearless former alliance leader (may he rest in peace) obviously discusses in this link the validity of a gank if the suspect in question is in violation of the Code but still has a mining permit. I quote:
loyalanon #1 PvPer of EVE and fearless leader of the CODE. alliance wrote:
Also as far as I am concerned TCE does not recognise permits as a way for a miner to avoid justice.
I highlighted the important part for you.
Fact is there is not a single documented case of a wrongfully executed gank. We even have our internal affairs department which deals with such accusations and studies each case without bias.
As you can see this is a perfect system and the miners are in good hands if only they follow the Code.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2972
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Posted - 2016.10.27 10:01:40 -
[69] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats.
We often encounter this argument that we used to go after bots. It is actually not true. Can you elaborate how you came up or who gave you this idea?
We are probably the most open alliance and there is literally hundreds of pages of documentation about our motivation. But somehow the rebels are still confused. It says a lot about their ability to form a consistent thought and about why they fail continuously non-stop daily.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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xXuber-NitsheXx
96
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Posted - 2016.10.27 10:08:25 -
[70] - Quote
Ima, this song goes out to you. You know you are close to my heart and forever in my thoughts.
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2016.10.27 10:33:11 -
[71] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats. We often encounter this argument that we used to go after bots. It is actually not true. Can you elaborate how you came up or who gave you this idea? We are probably the most open alliance and there is literally hundreds of pages of documentation about our motivation. But somehow the rebels are still confused. It says a lot about their ability to form a consistent thought and about why they fail continuously non-stop daily.
I don't know
Might have been some of the Great James 315's statements
James 315 wrote: Why Do Miners Violate the Code?
Whenever I venture forth unto the ice fields and asteroid belts of highsec to enforce the New Halaima Code of Conduct, there are always miners who vociferously object to the Code. Partly that's because they don't like the idea of being placed under someone else's authority. But some of the highsec miners genuinely disagree with the Code--often without having read it.
On occasion, I'll ask the miners what about the Code they actually disagree with, and what they would to improve it. I know they won't have any good ideas, but I ask the question out of respect. In fact, the highsec miners have to concede that they agree with nearly every provision in the Code; they oppose botting, for instance. And miners have different ideas about whether AFK mining is desirable.
At this time there was a huge botting problem and James 315 was actually helpful in solving it.
James 315 wrote:Having degraded themselves through a career of minimal, repetitive activity for "fun," the miners slowly transform themselves into bots. Most highsec miners claim to hate the bots, but their actions suggest they aspire to become bots, or as close as they can get. Sadly, CCP has enabled them by providing them with the tools of their addiction. Miners are now just one mouse-click per hour from becoming bots.
As you will also denote miner bumping was about exactly that. Bumping miners out of the range of minerals. Not killing them or anyone else for fun or profit.
James 315 wrote:The New Order began as a dream, as one man with a stabber bumping some miners in Halaima. They said it was impossible. They said I was a dreamer, and they were right--but I'm not the only one. We are the hope and the future of EVE. No one can stop the New Order. They can only join us, and love us. Highsec is ours.
You are nothing more than the repetitive clicking people James 315 set up Miner Bumping to stop. You have turned from your God and may he strike you down. |
Ishido Attaka
Purity of the Iron Cold
21
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Posted - 2016.10.27 11:00:24 -
[72] - Quote
JPC2501 wrote: we have 1 major strategy GÇô Cargo Value vs Gank cost.
Thanks for the math on that.
.
Wrong. It was valid year or two ago and only worked for procurers.
Today you will be shot by CODE. or ministry of luv losers just because you fly a hauler. Even empty one. Because of blackmail. As soon as they manage to destroy your defensless ship and cowardly eject from thiers before concord destroys it (apparently they are not able to care weight of responsibility for their own deeds) you will get a mail. Not one but more of them. They will demand money or you will be killed on sight because you are now on their list.
My guess that those loosers get much more money from stupid players, who think paying permit will help then avoid ganking. Reality is, that after first money you will be charged for more, for different reasons, pretty much regulary letters. Because they claim, that high sec is theirs and you are there... Even if you keep paying more and more you will be scanned and killed if you carry something, what they want. Because "transporting capital ship parts require extra permit", for example.
You are paying - that the whole reason why this will happen to you. All those idiots, who bought permits, are to blame for high sec ganking of even empty haulers. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2974
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Posted - 2016.10.27 12:27:20 -
[73] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:rabble
Seriously, maybe you should start to read the blog from the time when all this started. Yes, James started out bumping miners, not bots and as soon as more people joined the fun they quickly started ganking as a much more effective way of dealing with the bot-aspirants.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2974
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Posted - 2016.10.27 12:30:09 -
[74] - Quote
Ishido Attaka wrote:and cowardly eject from thiers before concord destroys it
Lol, and why exactly should we eject?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 13:45:07 -
[75] - Quote
xXuber-NitsheXx wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it. so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations? No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured... The truth is, New Order permits are in fact honored, it's just that highsec carebears are terrible at following the few simple rules that everyone else in the game routinely adhere to. , I provide the link from an internal mail. Permits are not honoured. But hey, make JimJones315 rich, he is smart and you are his peon in the hierarchy of things. Do you empty his chamber pot in the morning?
1) Those quotes aren't anywhere in the link you provided, so they're not quotes at all, but in fact 100% fabricated lies.
2) If you have access to our alliance evemails, then you can plainly see that the New Order as a whole rejected loyalanon's disregard for mining permits. You'll notice that he is no longer our alliance head. The guy was flying off the handle and heading straight for a ban.
3) James 315 is the only leader of the New Order movement. Always has been. The executor of CODE. is a glorified secretarial position.
4) Permits ARE in fact honored, and you have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. Just admit it.
5) loyalanon is australian.
6) I'm a happy peon. |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 13:57:51 -
[76] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:
As you will also denote miner bumping was about exactly that. Bumping miners out of the range of minerals. Not killing them or anyone else for fun or profit.
Lolwut?
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xXuber-NitsheXx
100
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Posted - 2016.10.27 14:24:11 -
[77] - Quote
"A happy Codie is content to hold his masters bucket no matter how splashed he gets."
James513 Codie Manifest , annex 3, addendum F.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 15:31:47 -
[78] - Quote
I'm glad to see that your argument has devolved into vacuous ad hominems. An objective observer can now see very clearly who the goofus is here.
Mission accomplished. \o/ |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2016.10.27 17:04:22 -
[79] - Quote
JPC2501 wrote:
Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
1) use scout(s)
2) use channel chats with ganking intel
3) make bookmarks in the systems you pass through
4) double wrap packages (and rename them along the way)
5) use proper ship for the job, e.g.
1m ehp impel (or analogous other DSTs, beware heavy neut pressure though)
<1s align astero (alternatively jackdaw/hecate can go <1s as well and notably cheaper, but you lose covops)
BR of your choice if your cargo is somewhere between those.
Yacht is damn nice ship for tiny super valuable cargo as well (covops, nullified, can go <2s)
None of this of course guarantee immunity, the ships pushed to those limits can be relatively expensive - but at least some of those combined can lower the chance to near 0.
Jita Flipping Inc.: Kovl
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2016.10.27 20:44:13 -
[80] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:rabble Seriously, maybe you should start to read the blog from the time when all this started. Yes, James started out bumping miners, not bots and as soon as more people joined the fun they quickly started ganking as a much more effective way of dealing with the bot-aspirants.
So you turned away from your god and started to kill in his name. Now you perform repetitive clicks and hoard isk the same as those he sort to stop.
Burn blasphemer!! |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 20:52:29 -
[81] - Quote
Mark, is that all you got, man? Your posts get goofier and goofier.
I especially love it when carebears try to teach us about the history of OUR OWN ORGANIZATION. lolol |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
|
Posted - 2016.10.27 20:56:41 -
[82] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Mark, is that all you got, man? Your posts get goofier and goofier.
I especially love it when carebears try to teach us about the history of OUR OWN ORGANIZATION. lolol
Ahh another CODE violator.
You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. You are those he sort to come forth and destroy. You are a bot aspirant.
His truth shall be remembered by New Eden and your kind will burn in the fires. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
590
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:10:02 -
[83] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Ahh another CODE violator.
You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. You are those he sort to come forth and destroy. You are a bot aspirant.
His truth shall be remembered by New Eden and your kind will burn in the fires.
Wait a second. Last time it was James using us to get rich, not the other way around.
See, that's why you anti-gankers always fail. You can't even take a little time to fine-tune your tinfoil hats to a single wavelength. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:12:12 -
[84] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit.
Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
|
Posted - 2016.10.27 21:21:05 -
[85] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP.
James 315 wrote:Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed.
They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name.
OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:52:11 -
[86] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. James 315 wrote:Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed. They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter
You're making a useless point here as always.
CCP require agents to have a profit motivation. Internally they are motivated only by good. They aren't motivated by greed. They are just following the rules set by CCP, as everyone should follow rules, beginning with the Code.
Highsec carebears are internally motivated by profit alone. Greed and nothing more.
Huge difference which you will fail to understand because it's foreign to all carebears that there could be any other reasons than what's best for you alone.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2979
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:21:20 -
[87] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:rabble Seriously, maybe you should start to read the blog from the time when all this started. Yes, James started out bumping miners, not bots and as soon as more people joined the fun they quickly started ganking as a much more effective way of dealing with the bot-aspirants. So you turned away from your god and started to kill in his name. Now you perform repetitive clicks and hoard isk the same as those he sort to stop. Burn blasphemer!!
As you can see from my killboard I exclusively kill illegal mining equipment. Bumping is just another tool and we obviously use it as well. But often the message is just better received if it is delivered with antimatter.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27030
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:22:14 -
[88] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. James 315 wrote:Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed. They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter Who's doing the burning, I have a special deal on accelerants and firelighting equipment this week.
Oh wait, AG; you'll be wanting someone else to do the burning for you.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2979
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:23:48 -
[89] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter
Guys, I think his mind is completely gone now... Must be from too much mining. Always sad if we lose one...
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:26:41 -
[90] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter Guys, I think his mind is completely gone now... Must be from too much mining. Always sad if we lose one...
It seems that whoever wrote his bottng script forgot to include any intelligence.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:43:40 -
[91] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter Guys, I think his mind is completely gone now... Must be from too much mining. Always sad if we lose one... It seems that whoever wrote his bottng script forgot to include any intelligence.
It is hardly like a lack of intelligence is something new on these forums |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2561
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Posted - 2016.10.27 23:28:32 -
[92] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" More lies to mislead people into bot-aspirancy. I think it is obvious to anyone but you how you are responsible for the actions we have to take against the miners who listen to your words. It's like you would tell some kids "drugs are fine, don't listen to the parents and the police, they are a corrupt system, you will be fine" and then you tell everyone it is the polices fault if they catch those kids. Stop this insanity now and comply to the Code! Yes the CODE A protection racket, that does not even protect you from themselves let alone anyone else. Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats.
This was a good thread full of information relevant to the subject before you showed up.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2016.10.27 23:52:29 -
[93] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
This was a good thread full of information relevant to the subject before you showed up.
Thank You |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
90
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Posted - 2016.10.28 03:09:12 -
[94] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP.
Complete nonsense. Where do you get this stuff?
As long as a kill mail is involves profit is unnecessary and irrelevant. Ask a GM. |
Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
|
Posted - 2016.10.28 08:41:16 -
[95] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Highsec carebears are internally motivated by profit alone. Greed with profit as easy as possible, nothing more.
Huge difference which you will fail to understand because it's foreign to all carebears that there could be any other reasons than what's best for you alone.
lol, now you are glorifying ganking for tears as "good for the game". It's just ganking for fun, maybe even for profit, but in the end it's just ganking.
These gankers have no problems grabbing ships from Jita build with the ore that was leached by the oh so detested miners. Do you REALLY want to leach all the minerals for all your ships yourself? I don't want to so I appreciate the work of the miners because this way I can do what is fun to me and my money will finance what is fun to them.
Highsec ganking is either for fun or profit, both is okay, but never for the greater good. Everyone who states this is a hypocrite! |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2979
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Posted - 2016.10.28 09:10:58 -
[96] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:These gankers have no problems grabbing ships from Jita build with the ore that was leached by the oh so detested miners. Do you REALLY want to leach all the minerals for all your ships yourself? I don't want to so I appreciate the work of the miners because this way I can do what is fun to me and my money will finance what is fun to them.
We only consume ore from permit holding Code compliant miners. It's not that we hate mining, we think it is such an important part and we want to make it more reliable for the good of everyone. The current miner business is full of AFK bot-aspirants who mine excessively and undercut the prices of all the hard working real miners who actually play the game and produce all the high quality ore we need for our ships.
Obviously some general law is needed which applies to every miner and then this law has to be enforced. This is what the Code is and the New Order of Highsec is enforcing it.
You see, we do all this for a better more reliable industry where you know the ore you are consuming was harvested by a compliant miner who was enjoying his work and has a good income so he can feed his family.
You can help as well, make a suicide gank alt today and join our forces. If this is not your style, purchase shares to support our troops and keep them flying. Most older New Order Knights found a way to be self sustaining, so most of that ISK will benefit the new player who starts a career as an elite PvPer in the New Order.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.10.28 12:23:30 -
[97] - Quote
Roleplay on the forums and in Eve is rare and I really like it the way you do it! |
Revis Owen
The Conference Elite
CODE.
419
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Posted - 2016.10.28 12:53:52 -
[98] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:Roleplay on the forums and in Eve is rare and I really like it the way you do it!
I don't think Mark Marconi's posts are good enough to "like", really.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
79
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Posted - 2016.10.28 13:56:12 -
[99] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The current miner business is full of AFK bot-aspirants who mine excessively and undercut the prices of all the hard working real miners who actually play the game and produce all the high quality ore we need for our ships.
which is why you tried to kill me on multiple times
including one time when i was actively having a conversation in local with a friend about upcoming movies.
easy to see i wasn't afk. or a bot.
and yet poof 2 code catalysts warp into my ice belt. and shoot at my poor Endurance. thankfully i can burn out of range easily enough (more proof i not afk, i manually changed course and turned on my afterburner)
so again, your lying out your ass. |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
90
|
Posted - 2016.10.28 14:18:55 -
[100] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The current miner business is full of AFK bot-aspirants who mine excessively and undercut the prices of all the hard working real miners who actually play the game and produce all the high quality ore we need for our ships.
which is why you tried to kill me on multiple times including one time when i was actively having a conversation in local with a friend about upcoming movies. easy to see i wasn't afk. or a bot. and yet poof 2 code catalysts warp into my ice belt. and shoot at my poor Endurance. thankfully i can burn out of range easily enough (more proof i not afk, i manually changed course and turned on my afterburner) so again, your lying out your ass.
First of all, nothing about your post contradicts or really even pertains to the snippet you quoted from Ima. just wanted to point that out.
Secondly, you have no permit and are therefore a Code-violator and a target. Is this complicated?  |
Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
80
|
Posted - 2016.10.28 14:25:21 -
[101] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The current miner business is full of AFK bot-aspirants who mine excessively and undercut the prices of all the hard working real miners who actually play the game and produce all the high quality ore we need for our ships.
which is why you tried to kill me on multiple times including one time when i was actively having a conversation in local with a friend about upcoming movies. easy to see i wasn't afk. or a bot. and yet poof 2 code catalysts warp into my ice belt. and shoot at my poor Endurance. thankfully i can burn out of range easily enough (more proof i not afk, i manually changed course and turned on my afterburner) so again, your lying out your ass. First of all, nothing about your post contradicts or really even pertains to the snippet you quoted from Ima. just wanted to point that out. Secondly, you have no permit and are therefore a Code-violator and a target. Is this complicated?
oh i did buy a permit back in july (remember this is not my mining toon).
cause back then i had a ton of isk and was gullible enough
but 3 days after i bought the "permit" the first gank attempt happened (by the same person who sold me the permit).
the really frustrating part is, they tried to gank my endurance in the ice belt...when i had a "permit" when there was a group of 15 skiffs and procurers orbiting an orca. who were defenitly multibox.
but no, code ignore the "permit" and the multiboxers. and instead goes for the "weaker" ship at the edge of the ice field.
which summarizes code.
permits are worthless
and they attempt to gank people in low eff hp ships rather than actual multiboxers/bots/afkers.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
90
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Posted - 2016.10.28 14:40:03 -
[102] - Quote
An endurance?!? Well of course you were targeted! Ventures and their variants are illegal in James 315 territory. What were you even doing flying an endurance in highsec? Clearly a ship for worm holes and such.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
80
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Posted - 2016.10.28 14:46:18 -
[103] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:An endurance?!? Well of course you were targeted! Ventures and their variants are illegal in James 315 territory. What were you even doing flying an endurance in highsec? Clearly a ship for worm holes and such.
and here you can see another case of code changing their rules to suit whatever excuse they come up with.
thanks for a live example of you changing it. you guys asked for proof earlier. heres your proof.
also what part of ICE MINING do you not understand.
go read description of a venture again and tell me why i use endurance for ICE MINING.
not GAS HARVESTING |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
90
|
Posted - 2016.10.28 16:10:13 -
[104] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:An endurance?!? Well of course you were targeted! Ventures and their variants are illegal in James 315 territory. What were you even doing flying an endurance in highsec? Clearly a ship for worm holes and such.
and here you can see another case of code changing their rules to suit whatever excuse they come up with. thanks for a live example of you changing it. you guys asked for proof earlier. heres your proof. also what part of ICE MINING do you not understand. go read description of a venture again and tell me why i use endurance for ICE MINING. not GAS HARVESTING
And here you have a live example of a carebear whining due to their own ignorance of the laws of highsec. Go study the works of 315, my friend. The Savior's distaste for ventures and their variants in his realm is well known public information.
P.S. you'll notice I said "wormholes and such". |
Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
81
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Posted - 2016.10.28 16:31:22 -
[105] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:An endurance?!? Well of course you were targeted! Ventures and their variants are illegal in James 315 territory. What were you even doing flying an endurance in highsec? Clearly a ship for worm holes and such.
and here you can see another case of code changing their rules to suit whatever excuse they come up with. thanks for a live example of you changing it. you guys asked for proof earlier. heres your proof. also what part of ICE MINING do you not understand. go read description of a venture again and tell me why i use endurance for ICE MINING. not GAS HARVESTING And here you have a live example of a carebear whining due to their own ignorance of the laws of highsec. Go study the works of 315, my friend. The Savior's distaste for ventures and their variants in his realm is well known public information. P.S. you'll notice I said "wormholes and such".
Changes to a contract after signing can not be applied to the contractee unless they sign a revised contract.
so no.
also the "laws of highsec" is concord's laws. aka the people who spend most of their day ripping up your mafia ass.
don't like it? go take it up with concord. for all code's preaching of high sec being "your domain", you still get murdered by the actual rulers of high sec.
btw my endurance isn't the only one who you guys have tried to gank. its just my favorite as its avoided dying in all the attempts.
Retriever had an attempt in Pulin. again though, you failed pvpers were unable to kill it before concord ripped your arses apart.
and yet when you read your "code"
- Upon being suicide ganked, a miner should congratulate the ganker on his success. A "good fight" or "gf" in local is customary.
aka you'll get ganked even with a permit. which sorta defeats the point of a permit.
also no where in your webpage do you make mention of venture-class ships being illegal.
so, as someone who you guys have tried to gank 5 times (6 as of this morning) and succeeded 0 times.
i can safely say your a bunch of fail pvpers, scam artists, and general pests. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2980
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Posted - 2016.10.28 16:50:03 -
[106] - Quote
Well did you ask an Agent if it is ok to use an endurance in Highsec? Because everyone knows they are illegal in New Order territory. It seams to me this is just another case of some space lawyering and an attempt to blame our noble Agents for you own crimes.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
81
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Posted - 2016.10.28 16:56:52 -
[107] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Well did you ask an Agent if it is ok to use an endurance in Highsec? Because everyone knows they are illegal in New Order territory. It seams to me this is just another case of some space lawyering and an attempt to blame our noble Agents for you own crimes.
jee, you'd think one of you failed pvpers would have said something as to why your ganking me in the times you failed to gank.
but no, instead of saying "venture is illegal" instead your reasons are always "permit only applies to the person you paid" or "only applies to the system you paid in" or "only applies to the ship you were in when you originally paid"
or you'd think you'd have that listed in the code.
but no, your making crap up. which is a reason why no one takes you seriously. 6 attempts btw. a competent PvPer would have had at least 1 successful gank by now. not 6 failed attempts.
and the real rulers of high sec, aka Concord, defenitly isn't failing like you. they keep blowing you up.
what kind of "ruler" gets murdered by others in their own territory. unless of coarse that territory really isn't yours, and you don't own squat.
face it, your a bunch of failed PvPers who got your asses spanked red in null and low sec by ACTUAL PvPers, and fled to high sec to hide from them while you pretend to be "good" PvPers by attacking people who don't even have guns.
and yet even then you fail to kill them properly.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.10.28 16:57:42 -
[108] - Quote
I want more popcorn 
Simple rule: You pay a permit with isk or Phased Plasma (TM). CODE accepts both.  |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2980
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Posted - 2016.10.28 17:04:03 -
[109] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:not 6 failed attempts.
Is this some kind of self perpetuating big fish story? Looks like this numbers increase with every post you make. Maybe you should stop lying, apologise to us all and finally get another mining permit and a New Order approved mining vessel.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
81
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Posted - 2016.10.28 17:07:28 -
[110] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:not 6 failed attempts. Is this some kind of self perpetuating big fish story? Looks like this numbers increase with every post you make. Maybe you should stop lying, apologise to us all and finally get another mining permit and a New Order approved mining vessel.
it was 5 before
with a 6th this morning.
i had a mining permit in july
i've flown Retrievers, Procurers, and Endurances. all that have had attempts on them.
no where in your code you list any "illegal" ships.
so your making up rules, and i stopped caring about what i fly after the 2nd attempt (when they said "permit only applies to the person you paid it to")
so keep pretending to be king. the real king will keep murdering you. concord ftw |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
93
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Posted - 2016.10.28 17:12:43 -
[111] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:An endurance?!? Well of course you were targeted! Ventures and their variants are illegal in James 315 territory. What were you even doing flying an endurance in highsec? Clearly a ship for worm holes and such.
and here you can see another case of code changing their rules to suit whatever excuse they come up with. thanks for a live example of you changing it. you guys asked for proof earlier. heres your proof. also what part of ICE MINING do you not understand. go read description of a venture again and tell me why i use endurance for ICE MINING. not GAS HARVESTING And here you have a live example of a carebear whining due to their own ignorance of the laws of highsec. Go study the works of 315, my friend. The Savior's distaste for ventures and their variants in his realm is well known public information. P.S. you'll notice I said "wormholes and such". Changes to a contract after signing can not be applied to the contractee unless they sign a revised contract. so no. also the "laws of highsec" is concord's laws. aka the people who spend most of their day ripping up your mafia ass. don't like it? go take it up with concord. for all code's preaching of high sec being "your domain", you still get murdered by the actual rulers of high sec. btw my endurance isn't the only one who you guys have tried to gank. its just my favorite as its avoided dying in all the attempts. Retriever had an attempt in Pulin. again though, you failed pvpers were unable to kill it before concord ripped your arses apart. and yet when you read your "code" - Upon being suicide ganked, a miner should congratulate the ganker on his success. A "good fight" or "gf" in local is customary. aka you'll get ganked even with a permit. which sorta defeats the point of a permit. also no where in your webpage do you make mention of venture-class ships being illegal. so, as someone who you guys have tried to gank 5 times (6 as of this morning) and succeeded 0 times. i can safely say your a bunch of fail pvpers, scam artists, and general pests.
Space lawyer alert!
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
93
|
Posted - 2016.10.28 17:14:27 -
[112] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Well did you ask an Agent if it is ok to use an endurance in Highsec? Because everyone knows they are illegal in New Order territory. It seams to me this is just another case of some space lawyering and an attempt to blame our noble Agents for you own crimes. jee, you'd think one of you failed pvpers would have said something as to why your ganking me in the times you failed to gank. but no, instead of saying "venture is illegal" instead your reasons are always "permit only applies to the person you paid" or "only applies to the system you paid in" or "only applies to the ship you were in when you originally paid" or you'd think you'd have that listed in the code. but no, your making crap up. which is a reason why no one takes you seriously. 6 attempts btw. a competent PvPer would have had at least 1 successful gank by now. not 6 failed attempts. and the real rulers of high sec, aka Concord, defenitly isn't failing like you. they keep blowing you up. what kind of "ruler" gets murdered by others in their own territory. unless of coarse that territory really isn't yours, and you don't own squat. face it, your a bunch of failed PvPers who got your asses spanked red in null and low sec by ACTUAL PvPers, and fled to high sec to hide from them while you pretend to be "good" PvPers by attacking people who don't even have guns. and yet even then you fail to kill them properly.
There you go quoting no one again. Please stop making things up. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
|
Posted - 2016.10.28 22:14:42 -
[113] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:
There you go quoting no one again. Please stop making things up.
Why not you do. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1214
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 00:10:21 -
[114] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. Complete nonsense. Where do you get this stuff? As long as a kill mail is involved, profit is unnecessary and irrelevant. A killmail is all the ingame-benefit you need. Please ask a GM instead of spreading this BS myth.
Go back and look at James explanation of why there is a permit and why it costs 10 million ISK.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
94
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 01:19:50 -
[115] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. Complete nonsense. Where do you get this stuff? As long as a kill mail is involved, profit is unnecessary and irrelevant. A killmail is all the ingame-benefit you need. Please ask a GM instead of spreading this BS myth. Go back and look at James explanation of why there is a permit and why it costs 10 million ISK.
1) You are the one that needs to read up on some things, not me.
2) That was because he was BUMPING. When you are GANKING, the killmail counts as an in-game benefit and so profit is completely irrelevant.
3) I say again: It is not against the rules to kill spaceships in this spaceship-killing game.
Think about what you're saying, man!
Don't take my word for it. I encourage you to go straight to the horse's mouth and ask a GM. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1214
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 01:59:38 -
[116] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. Complete nonsense. Where do you get this stuff? As long as a kill mail is involved, profit is unnecessary and irrelevant. A killmail is all the ingame-benefit you need. Please ask a GM instead of spreading this BS myth. Go back and look at James explanation of why there is a permit and why it costs 10 million ISK. 1) You are the one that needs to read up on some things, not me. 2) That was because he was BUMPING. When you are GANKING, the killmail counts as an in-game benefit and so profit is completely irrelevant. 3) I say again: It is not against the rules to kill spaceships in this spaceship-killing game. Think about what you're saying, man! Don't take my word for it. I encourage you to go straight to the horse's mouth and ask a GM.
Who said it was illegal to kill ships. Get your ****** off mate. Killing ships is the best part about the game and I never claimed anything different.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4700
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 02:26:25 -
[117] - Quote
Is there a way to buy a freighter permit? Say, if somebody actually wanted to? And say, somebody else would actually be arsed to check it?
Start the bubble machine!
-Lawrence Welk
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Loutro Fift
The Killer Cockatoos
Initiative Mercenaries
26
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 02:30:44 -
[118] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Is there a way to buy a freighter permit? Say, if somebody actually wanted to? And say, somebody else would actually be arsed to check it?
Find some one dumb enough who has bought a permit (check their bio, that's where it is posted), copy and paste.
Or...ignore all this nonsense and fly your ship like you stole it. |
Keno Skir
854
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 03:11:14 -
[119] - Quote
The butt-hurt in this thread is real..
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
57
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 05:27:12 -
[120] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Is there a way to buy a freighter permit? Say, if somebody actually wanted to? And say, somebody else would actually be arsed to check it?
If you find one of these frauds and pay them cash they will just say you were
a) AFK
b) carrying to much
So there is no reason to give money to these false CODE enforcers. |
Oolong Turmeric
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 14:23:05 -
[121] - Quote
Hi
I'm new to the game so this may have been asked or done before.
Why not make a corp dedicated to destroying CODE. If this corp is at war with CODE can they attack CODE in HS with no repercussions? It seems it may be an enjoyable way to play. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
10791
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 15:17:19 -
[122] - Quote
Oolong Turmeric wrote:I'm new to the game so this may have been asked or done before.
Why not make a corp dedicated to destroying CODE. If this corp is at war with CODE can they attack CODE in HS with no repercussions? It seems it may be an enjoyable way to play.
The problem with that idea is that Code utilizes the same mechanics that "pacifists" and "carebears" use to avoid wars.
Namely;
- dropping their corporation and affiliations in-game while still remaining organized and communicating outside of the game
- jumping from player corporation to player corporation
- staying in NPC corporations that cannot be declared war upon
- dissolving the corporation and remaking it
You can't stop this behavior without also cutting off avenues for other players who wish to avoid ship-on-ship combat.
It is pretty much the same way you cannot stop lol-ganking of ships (which a lot of people amusingly find unacceptable) without making the act so unprofitable that for-profit gankers (which people find acceptable) cannot ply their trade.
How did you Veterans start?
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
94
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Posted - 2016.10.29 18:11:29 -
[123] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Who said it was illegal to kill ships. Turn your ******** level down. Killing ships is the best part about the game and I never claimed anything different.
"They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP."
^ This is complete nonsense. You're saying that ganking is against the rules unless you're motivated by profit. That is false and really, pretty ridiculous when you think about it.
Please stop spreading this BS myth. Please go ask a GM about this before you misinform any more players.
I say again: It is NOT against the rules to kill space-ships in this space-ship killing game (profit or no!). |
Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Ordum Eternam
5072
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 21:14:39 -
[124] - Quote
Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.
Legal, illegal
................ who cares.
Why are so many people scared for CODE.
Some of them play there role perfectly.
Most of them are nice peoples...
and NO!
I'm neither a member of CODE, nor do I pay for a permit ...
I'am a free space mouse, fly around, do my dutty and follow my own rules.
«An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour».
Albert Einstein - [11, S. 154]
More Quotes, Poetry & Prose on: https://gwenaelledeardevon.wordpress.com/
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1215
|
Posted - 2016.10.29 21:48:28 -
[125] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Who said it was illegal to kill ships. Turn your ******** level down. Killing ships is the best part about the game and I never claimed anything different.
"They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP." ^ This is complete nonsense. You're saying that ganking is against the rules unless you're motivated by profit. That is false and really, pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Please stop spreading this BS myth. Please go ask a GM about this before you misinform any more players. I say again: It is NOT against the rules to kill space-ships in this space-ship killing game (profit or no!).
Bullshit. You are just posting complete rubbish to try to justify your own stupidity. Moronic level stupidity.
I'll also say again, it is absolutely not against the rules to kill spaceships in a spaceship killing game. Exactly what I wrote before too and you seem to be interpreting the first statement as the only reason that ships can be killed is for profit. That isn't what I wrote. That's purely your ridiculous interpretation, which is fantasy compared to what is actually written.
It's one of many, many reasons that can be used and is totally ok for Code. agents to gain profit from what they do if they are able to do so. It isn't anywhere near the only reason or motivations, but is a motivation (exactly what I wrote). One of many and in the case of profit, actually required by CCP (not the only motivation possible, but in the case of profit, CCP endorse it as opposed to many other motivations, which are neither endorsed nor discouraged).
Go buy a better brain. Even a carebear's brain might be a good choice for you. The little function they have is still apparently more efficient than your current one.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
100
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Posted - 2016.10.29 23:17:56 -
[126] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Who said it was illegal to kill ships. Turn your ******** level down. Killing ships is the best part about the game and I never claimed anything different.
"They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP." ^ This is complete nonsense. You're saying that ganking is against the rules unless you're motivated by profit. That is false and really, pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Please stop spreading this BS myth. Please go ask a GM about this before you misinform any more players. I say again: It is NOT against the rules to kill space-ships in this space-ship killing game (profit or no!). Bullshit. You are just posting complete rubbish to try to justify your own stupidity. Moronic level stupidity. I'll also say again, it is absolutely not against the rules to kill spaceships in a spaceship killing game. Exactly what I wrote before too and you seem to be interpreting the first statement as the only reason that ships can be killed is for profit. That isn't what I wrote. That's purely your ridiculous interpretation, which is fantasy compared to what is actually written. It's one of many, many reasons that can be used and is totally ok for Code. agents to gain profit from what they do if they are able to do so. It isn't anywhere near the only reason or motivations, but is a motivation (exactly what I wrote). One of many and in the case of profit, actually required by CCP (not the only motivation possible, but in the case of profit, CCP endorse it as opposed to many other motivations, which are neither endorsed nor discouraged). Go buy a better brain. Even a carebear's brain might be a good choice for you. The little function they have is still apparently more efficient than your current one.
Jeez, with all that backpeddling and equivocation, I honestly can't even tell what your position is anymore.
"They are actually required to have that[profit] as a motivation by CCP." <-- Do you stand by this outlandish claim or not?
In exactly what capacity are we required to be motivated by profit? Please explain it to us.
(let me guess, you can't because we're not) |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
129
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Posted - 2016.10.31 19:48:26 -
[127] - Quote
Still waiting for a reply.... Should I just declare victory at this point? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
18172
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 17:43:24 -
[128] - Quote
I'd just like to remind any hisec miners reading this thread that nullsec has much more ore and no suicide gankers.
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
448
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 20:18:55 -
[129] - Quote
Courier contracts are the way to go.
1. You can make more isk in than you will pay out in the time you save hauling.
2. You don't have to actually do any boring hauling.
3. Every once in a while the contract fails, making you profit and (I don't know why, but it does) bringing a smile to your face.
No good deed goes unpunished
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
561
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 21:20:49 -
[130] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:Oolong Turmeric wrote:I'm new to the game so this may have been asked or done before.
Why not make a corp dedicated to destroying CODE. If this corp is at war with CODE can they attack CODE in HS with no repercussions? It seems it may be an enjoyable way to play. The problem with that idea is that Code utilizes the same mechanics that "pacifists" and "carebears" use to avoid wars. Namely; - dropping their corporation and affiliations in-game while still remaining organized and communicating outside of the game - jumping from player corporation to player corporation - staying in NPC corporations that cannot be declared war upon - dissolving the corporation and remaking it
Just popping in to say that this is completely untrue in every respect. CODE. has never been dissolved much less dissolved to avoid wardecs. (Neither has my corp either so wardeccing me is always a great idea!) But the reason no one wardecs CODE. much is because its a waste of time. Most of them are -10 anyway so you can shoot them on sight. Its SEEING them before you are a ball of glowing gas that's the hard part.
Throw a wardec on CODE. and welcome to the world of impotent fury. Watch in amazement as CODE. ignores your challenges to a "fair" fight and blasts miners, freighters and unsuspecting anti-gankers into little bits as you futilely attempt to have any impact on them at all. CODE. always wins which is a good reason to not get on their bad side.
But if you can catch them, you can shoot them. Most people give up after a while of being constantly in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wardeccing CODE. is pointless as those who have tried in the past found out, usually at great cost.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1222
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 21:27:59 -
[131] - Quote
Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Who said it was illegal to kill ships. Turn your ******** level down. Killing ships is the best part about the game and I never claimed anything different.
"They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP." ^ This is complete nonsense. You're saying that ganking is against the rules unless you're motivated by profit. That is false and really, pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Please stop spreading this BS myth. Please go ask a GM about this before you misinform any more players. I say again: It is NOT against the rules to kill space-ships in this space-ship killing game (profit or no!). Bullshit. You are just posting complete rubbish to try to justify your own stupidity. Moronic level stupidity. I'll also say again, it is absolutely not against the rules to kill spaceships in a spaceship killing game. Exactly what I wrote before too and you seem to be interpreting the first statement as the only reason that ships can be killed is for profit. That isn't what I wrote. That's purely your ridiculous interpretation, which is fantasy compared to what is actually written. It's one of many, many reasons that can be used and is totally ok for Code. agents to gain profit from what they do if they are able to do so. It isn't anywhere near the only reason or motivations, but is a motivation (exactly what I wrote). One of many and in the case of profit, actually required by CCP (not the only motivation possible, but in the case of profit, CCP endorse it as opposed to many other motivations, which are neither endorsed nor discouraged). Go buy a better brain. Even a carebear's brain might be a good choice for you. The little function they have is still apparently more efficient than your current one. Jeez, with all that backpeddling and equivocation, I honestly can't even tell what your position is anymore. "They are actually required to have that[profit] as a motivation by CCP." <-- Do you stand by this outlandish claim or not? In exactly what capacity are we required to be motivated by profit? Please explain it to us. (let me guess, you can't because we're not)
OMFG. Yes I stand by that claim.
A motivation. One of many possible. Not the only and not even always the reason for any particular ganking. Still a motivation and one that CCP has expressed a view on.
My position hasn't changed. It's been consistent and remains consistent.
Your interpretation is the thing at fault. ******* idiot level understanding you have. You e made a mountain out of a molehill all because of your own personal interpretation rather than just reading the words as written.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
166
|
Posted - 2016.11.02 00:46:04 -
[132] - Quote
JPC2501 wrote:
Is there anyway to defend against this?
No. If you aren't a 'wolf' CCP doesn't listen to, or care about you. I use the term 'wolf' very loosely. Most are more like fluffy little teacup pomeranian puppies who act tough and hardcore but won't take on another animal who will bite back. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
210
|
Posted - 2016.11.02 01:04:55 -
[133] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:"What is the current status of high-sec ganking?"
Don't know, I spend my play time somewhere in the 84% of New Eden that isn't high sec, where 'ganking' isn't really a thing, and where you don['t get punished for defending yourself.
Translation
I hide in a blob and only fight when the win is a sure thing. |
Steffles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2016.11.02 02:30:00 -
[134] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:Oolong Turmeric wrote:I'm new to the game so this may have been asked or done before.
Why not make a corp dedicated to destroying CODE. If this corp is at war with CODE can they attack CODE in HS with no repercussions? It seems it may be an enjoyable way to play. The problem with that idea is that Code utilizes the same mechanics that "pacifists" and "carebears" use to avoid wars. Namely; - dropping their corporation and affiliations in-game while still remaining organized and communicating outside of the game - jumping from player corporation to player corporation - staying in NPC corporations that cannot be declared war upon - dissolving the corporation and remaking it You can't stop this behavior without also cutting off avenues for other players who wish to avoid ship-on-ship combat. It is pretty much the same way you cannot stop lol-ganking of ships (which a lot of people amusingly find unacceptable) without making the act so unprofitable that for-profit gankers (which people find acceptable) cannot ply their trade.
The main reason you can't hurt carebears like CODE is they're a bunch of ALTs of people like Jenn. Such a person will sit safely in null in a deadend system behind a bubblefekked gate in a ratting cap making 60 mill ticks funding their CODE ganking ALTs.
you'd have to kill 21 of their thrashers per hour to cause them a loss. You can't attack them personally because they won't let you know who they are and even if you knew they wouldn't undock with a nuet in system. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4703
|
Posted - 2016.11.02 03:18:36 -
[135] - Quote
Yeah, yeah, it's all RP, creating content., all that. I do appreciate the sport and science of scouting a prey, quick-calculating the DPS needed vs. NPC show-up time, coordinating things, all that. Cool.
The part about hanging over the body in Local, baiting the guy to try to draw tears, a pack showing up to pick at him an enrage the one guy-- and then posting the results in meta internets. It's fecking hisec! With newbs and casuals! They are going to be newbs and casuals, forever! Come on, man.
Start the bubble machine!
-Lawrence Welk
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3020
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Posted - 2016.11.02 06:27:02 -
[136] - Quote
Steffles wrote:The main reason you can't hurt carebears like CODE is they're a bunch of ALTs of people like Jenn. Such a person will sit safely in null in a deadend system behind a bubblefekked gate in a ratting cap making 60 mill ticks funding their CODE ganking ALTs.
In that other thread you just accused us of never going to null because we are "scared". Now we are suddenly alts of nullsec players. I am a bit confused.
Anyway, please cry some more about us. I enjoy the tears
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Iferie
Third Coast Logistics
5
|
Posted - 2016.11.02 12:59:04 -
[137] - Quote
Regardless of one's opinions on the ethics of strapping as much weaponry as possible onto a cheap T1 hull and pointing it at a barge, venture, industrial, or freighter. While giggling maniacally between shouts of allahu Akbar, deus vult, or whatever CODE says just prior to both ships winding up as balls of expanding wreckage. That dynamic is most certainly about to change or atleast evolve given the introduction of alpha clones. Fleets of Ventures all over the place, low skill point industrials with clown fiesta fits, piloted by those who think that autopilot is a neat labor saving feature. How long the spike in new players and the associated happy times for hisec pirates will remain to be seen. |
Steffles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.11.02 13:30:49 -
[138] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Steffles wrote:The main reason you can't hurt carebears like CODE is they're a bunch of ALTs of people like Jenn. Such a person will sit safely in null in a deadend system behind a bubblefekked gate in a ratting cap making 60 mill ticks funding their CODE ganking ALTs. In that other thread you just accused us of never going to null because we are "scared". Now we are suddenly alts of nullsec players. I am a bit confused. Anyway, please cry some more about us. I enjoy the tears
I said you're scared to fight in null, sitting in absolute safety behind 100 bubbles in some deadend system shooting npcs with a carrier, aligned in case a nuet enters doesn't qualify as fighting :) |
Captain Tardbar
Sunken Ships
1161
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Posted - 2016.11.02 13:34:50 -
[139] - Quote
At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Lasisha Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2016.11.02 15:08:54 -
[140] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.
well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m).
and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works.
small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly.
though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die) |
Captain Tardbar
Sunken Ships
1165
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Posted - 2016.11.02 15:31:47 -
[141] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship. well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m). and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works. small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly. though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die)
I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Aatch Bland
1 Eyed Catfish
1
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Posted - 2016.11.02 21:58:24 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.
The T1 haulers are good for people like me that don't often haul stuff around, but occasionally need to move large things around. Planetary Outposts, frigates and the like are all pretty big items. I don't particularly want to have to train up to a massive freighter, or even a T2 hauler just to be able to carry 1000m3 items around. |
Australian Excellence
Gate Tax Collection Agency
CODE.
0
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Posted - 2016.11.03 03:29:56 -
[143] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.
Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is.
I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die. |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
628
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Posted - 2016.11.03 03:35:20 -
[144] - Quote
Aatch Bland wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship. The T1 haulers are good for people like me that don't often haul stuff around, but occasionally need to move large things around. Planetary Outposts, frigates and the like are all pretty big items. I don't particularly want to have to train up to a massive freighter, or even a T2 hauler just to be able to carry 1000m3 items around.
By no means recommending that you do it, but a megathron when fully cargo fit can do over 7000 m3... bit pricier than a T1 hauler though.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2016.11.03 06:39:24 -
[145] - Quote
Australian Excellence wrote:[quote=Captain Tardbar]
I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.
Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is.[quote]
Why not they did a good job making ganking a carebear activity. Just look at the CODE killboards. Carebears one and all. (with exclusion of that 1 lo-sec player) |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3039
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Posted - 2016.11.03 07:00:21 -
[146] - Quote
Mark Marconi wrote:Why not they did a good job making ganking a carebear activity. Just look at the CODE killboards. Carebears one and all. (with exclusion of that 1 lo-sec player)
Hahahaha, seriously, why are you still crying in all this threads? It's funny to see how you posting changed over the last couple of threads. You started with a whole bag of bad assumptions and wrong arguments which all got picked apart and refuted. But it did not change a thing about your views.
Grown up people adapt their views if contradicting evidence is brought forth, it seams that's not something you are able to do. Instead you just stick around and construct vague prophecies about how EVE will not last another 3 years and start to call us carebears, because that will seriously hurt us right? It is a sad view.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2016.11.03 07:19:40 -
[147] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Why not they did a good job making ganking a carebear activity. Just look at the CODE killboards. Carebears one and all. (with exclusion of that 1 lo-sec player) Hahahaha, seriously, why are you still crying in all this threads? It's funny to see how you posting changed over the last couple of threads. You started with a whole bag of bad assumptions and wrong arguments which all got picked apart and refuted. But it did not change a thing about your views. Grown up people adapt their views if contradicting evidence is brought forth, it seams that's not something you are able to do. Instead you just stick around and construct vague prophecies about how EVE will not last another 3 years and start to call us carebears, because that will seriously hurt us right? It is a sad view.
Actually someone else pointed out you are carebears and honestly it fits.
Carebear. |
Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.11.03 08:03:07 -
[148] - Quote
Australian Excellence wrote:
I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.
Or you can save the money, buy some warp stabies + cloak and wish "Code" a nice day while they wait for stupid targets or even stupider targets that bought a permit.
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Gogela
Heh...
3362
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Posted - 2016.11.03 08:52:47 -
[149] - Quote
I'm starting to feel like this is a bit of a leading thread. Want to know what ganking is like? Honest to the lords of Kobol... when you get that at least half bil hauler and scoop it's loot... it's like this. Try it. Just let it happen. There's always room for another ganker.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Australian Excellence
Gate Tax Collection Agency
CODE.
0
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Posted - 2016.11.03 09:34:49 -
[150] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:Australian Excellence wrote:
I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.
Or you can save the money, buy some warp stabies + cloak and wish "Code" a nice day while they wait for stupid targets or even stupider targets that bought a permit.
Keep thinking a couple of warpstabs and a cloak is going to save you lul. CODE. ALWAYS wins.
Message me if you want to buy that permit. Only 10 mil and lasts a whole year, much cheaper than the ships you are going to lose without one. |
virm pasuul
The Congregation
No Handlebars.
409
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Posted - 2016.11.03 12:37:07 -
[151] - Quote
Australian Excellence wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:
I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.
Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is. I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.
This is excellent advice if you don't want to be ganked.
If you do want to be ganked there are many other alternative suggestions in this thread. |
Lasisha Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:03:45 -
[152] - Quote
Australian Excellence wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:
I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.
Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is. I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.
oh jee this again
how about because you change what ships are "allowed" every freaking time "t2 exhumers not allowed." "only skiff allowed" "no ventures allowed" "only t1 miners allowed" "you must mine in a combat ship" "no retrievers in citadel, they only allowed in amarr"
and create a bunch of excuses like "permit only applies in system it was bought in" "permit only applies to person you bought it from" "permit only applies to ship you were in when you bought it"
etc etc etc etc etc etc
theres a laundry list of random crap you use as excuses for gank attempts on people who bought permits.
don't believe me? go ask your own "alliance mates".
cause in the end, you use any excuse to justify a gank attempt.
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Steffles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:11:13 -
[153] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship. well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m). and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works. small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly. though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die)
I've used blockade runners since just after they came out. I think I lost one on an alt in Rancer due to can spammage + instalock svipul + Broadsword, other than that I've never had any issues with them in null, wh or high in the last 6 or more years? They are extremely safe, fast a frigate, working cloak + mwd and you will almost always escape badguys. |
Lasisha Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:19:23 -
[154] - Quote
Steffles wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.
If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship. well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m). and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works. small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly. though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die) I've used blockade runners since just after they came out. I think I lost one on an alt in Rancer due to can spammage + instalock svipul + Broadsword, other than that I've never had any issues with them in null, wh or high in the last 6 or more years? They are extremely safe, fast a frigate, working cloak + mwd and you will almost always escape badguys.
oh i know that.
but for high sec travel, wreathe just attracts less attention and so has less people gunning for it (unless your cargo is expensive)
blockade runners attract alot of attention, up until the point you cloak. as people are wondering whats in the cargo hold. and even if its empty, the ship is a gold pot.
so until it cloaks, its the star of the show
edit: why the hell do i keep spelling blockade blockage...........wth... |
Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:19:38 -
[155] - Quote
Australian Excellence wrote:
Keep thinking a couple of warpstabs and a cloak is going to save you lul. CODE. ALWAYS wins.
Message me if you want to buy that permit. Only 10 mil and lasts a whole year, much cheaper than the ships you are going to lose without one.
Until now it got me through Udema without problems. And if I fly like James315 wants, why do I need a permit because I should be save from gankers including you.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:25:24 -
[156] - Quote
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
blockage runners attract alot of attention, up until the point you cloak. as people are wondering whats in the cargo hold. and even if its empty, the ship is a gold pot.
so until it cloaks, its the star of the show
You can only wonder about things you can see. If you are using a cloak correctly your ship should just blink for a sec in the overview. If they can really see you, you:
1. are doing something very wrong
2. are mostly likely dead in a view seconds
Tip: if you use a skin for something that can wear a covert-op cloak you are doing it wrong.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
407
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:32:51 -
[157] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:Tip: if you use a skin for something that can wear a covert-op cloak you are doing it wrong.
Fashion Tip:
Style is everything! Even under the protection of a good cloak, there's no reason to be frumpy.
So, rock that SKIN. Maybe only you will know you look fabulous, but that's all that really matters, isn't it?
--Fab Gadget knows she looks good under that cloak
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Lasisha Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2016.11.03 14:36:02 -
[158] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:
blockage runners attract alot of attention, up until the point you cloak. as people are wondering whats in the cargo hold. and even if its empty, the ship is a gold pot.
so until it cloaks, its the star of the show
You can only wonder about things you can see. If you are using a cloak correctly your ship should just blink for a sec in the overview. If they can really see you, you: 1. are doing something very wrong 2. are mostly likely dead in a view seconds Tip: if you use a skin for something that can wear a covert-op cloak you are doing it wrong.
BUT THE SKIN LOOKS SO GOOD =(
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Kaivarian Coste
Stellar Supply
96
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Posted - 2016.11.03 15:54:18 -
[159] - Quote
If you want CODE to stop ganking you, tell them to gank you. It seems counter-intuitive, but I did it in Uedama a week ago in an untanked hauler that had three cerebral accelerators in it. I wanted one of them to activate the kill right on me for 10m. The three cerebral accelerators in my hold would've been enough to make the venture profitable, and they'd get a free killmail.
Their response? "Go to Jita."
Go figure. :p |
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