... (there have been a few test versions of the skill requirements on the test servers in recent weeks but the information in this thread is the most up-to-date version of the design).
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Read what he wrote here....

Will there be any changes to the CS themselves and their combat capabilities, or is it just the skill requirements that are being changed?

Could you confirm that while the skill Command Ships won't require more than those skills, each individual Command Ship will require both racial warfare skills and thus, as a consequence, some people who can fly these ships today won't come November ... and that change is intentional?

Because currently anyone who trained Command Ships in the olden days, who doesn't have all racial Warfare skills trained, will be unable to undock in their Command Ships come November. As you cannot undock a ship unless you meet the requirements.

Looking at a command ship on TQ, all you need to fly the ship is racial BC 5 and CS 1. I presume that if you already have CS trained, it doesn't matter what the prereqs are, just like every other time they have changed the skills that are prereqs for spaceship command skills.

At this time just the skill requirements. We'll be observing how the use of these ships changes with the introduction of Command Bursts and making changes as necessary in a future patch.

You obviously haven't paid attention or tried things on Singularity.

Currently on Singularity you need to have every single pre-requisite skill in order to interact with a ship (assemble, board, undock etc). So even if you have Command Ships trained, Battlecruiser V trained etc, you'll still need to train the two racial warfare skills up to IV before you can use the ship again.

I'm guessing this is either a simple as the new Shield Command (former Siege Warfare) and Skirmish Command (former Skirmish Warfare), for a Sleipnir for example, becoming a "primary" skill requirement instead of a secondary skill required for the primary skill Command Ships ... or it has to do with the way they implemented the alpha vs omega clone "downgrade" that locks you out of ships you no longer have the skills for.

This means that a lot of older pilots will no longer be able to fly ships they currently can fly. Thus won't "be able to fly what they can already fly", which has often been CCP's stance on changes.

Fozzie can't you give CS 3 rig slots? And give extra mid +1 across the board?

Since you need a rigslot now when you want to install more Command Bursts I can understand this.
But since you have to be on grid I even would advise against using 1 Rig and simply use 2 Bursts per CS and bring more Commandships?

This is just the change from secondary skills to primary.
CCP, you need to put this into the change to first post, since currently those skills are including in the CS requirements and it makes it sound like you are totally removing the Command skills, not moving them onto the ships themselves.

And moreover, means old dudes probably won't be able to fly them come patch day if this is the case.

Last I checked sisi, the link skills were moved out of command ships but into the hull, which means despite having several guys with command ship 5, they're not going to be able to fly it.

Maybe.

WTB CONFIRMATION

I'm... not exactly sure what you're talking about.

Do you mean the racial ship skills (Frigate, Cruiser, BC) or the Warfare skills each CS gives ship-race-based buffs to?

If you mean the Warfare skills... I guess what you're trying to say is that you fly Vulture/Nighthawk or Eos/Astarte but never bothered running a Sensor Integrity Link because you don't like your fleet mates enough to boost their lock range and sensor strengths?

At this time just the skill requirements. We'll be observing how the use of these ships changes with the introduction of Command Bursts and making changes as necessary in a future patch.

Any chance of getting the third innate burst fitting back that we currently have? If we weren't losing the skill based HP/sig/etc boosts I'd understand as the third would not be needed to give the same boosts you currently can.

Is it really necessary for us to throw away half of our rig slots by default to fill the same role with the same effectiveness we would have previously been able to without that loss?

You know they turned 2 of the previous boosts into a single boost right?
So the third boost you are asking for actually gives you more power than before.

The third was driven solely by a bonus passed down based on your leadership skills regardless of what links you fitted m8.

I will be very disappointed if I am no longer able to fly command ships. Taking away functionality and forcing players to priority train or spend money on a ship skills is not a good idea. I know I will view it as a money grab hoping all the older players will be lazy and buy injectors.

Hello everyone! This thread will be about the changes to Command Ship skill requirements planned for the Ascension expansion this November.

Earlier in the development cycle we had been investigating making stat changes to the Command Ships at the same time as this release, but after further investigation we have decided to hold off on stat and bonus changes for now. We'll observe how the Command Burst introduction changes the meta around these ships and make changes informed by that information in the near future.

Why should a Command Ship be the only Tech II ships to have three rig slots? The whole point of limiting Tech II ships to two rig slots was to give Tech I ships some advantage over Tech II ships.

Or you could ask 5 buddies to fly battlecruisers to spit the links on you.

The question remains, why do we need wing command 4 when we have a gang of 6 pilots, not 50000?

Just a question, no worries. Command ships are so overprices now that nobody but overpaid carebears and blob-muppets would want to fly them anyway.

...I know I will view it as a money grab hoping all the older players will be lazy and buy injectors.

Ok so with these large changes to how command boosts work... im sure there are many of us who have no interest in on grid boosting... therefore would have never trained it..

Are you going to refund all our Leadership sp so we can choose?

Im sure the months/years of sp in leadership that is no longer wanted would be better used somewhere else now..

YOU made the changes... we did the training BEFORE.

We should be given a choice what to do with it now!

Fozzie:

What will happen to pilots that have the Command ship injected/trained but do not have the Wing Command skill trained?

Will we have to train wing command to fly the command ships?

Also wish to know this. I don't even have wing command injected since I don't generally use the command capabilities of command ships on my main - just their combat capabilities.

EDIT: Likewise, will the mastery requirements change to reflect this as well?

So after all this messing around the original dev blog on combat links and ships which starts with 'make on grid great again' should actually read make carebear command ships op & nerf everything else.

Rorquals that can tank super carrier & dread dps - check
Orca 't1 command ships' that can run double the links of t2 combat ships - check
Links having to be n grid - finally a good thing
Links themselves nerfed into the ground in effect, duration and range - check
Skills for command ships dumbed down - except for players who previously could fly them & now can't - check
Tanks & effectiveness of what are supposed to be t2 specialist combat ships nerfed - check
Passive leadership skills removed - check

In summary ccp doesn't like combat links but more than happy to pander to mining Care Bears

Renaming eve online to carebear online - coming soon

Assuming it goes like last time, if you already have CS trained a little bit, you can still utilize the skill and train it further afterwards.

hello ccp,

Why u didn't reset all the Leadership (Fleet support) sp that we spend? So we can put them where we want. So we can decide if your changes are still matching with our gameplay. Lot of people trained this long command ship just to pilot a t2 battlecruiser, they sacrificed time to train useless skills for them...and now u steal their time ;..; we all know that time is money for u. U talked about 1 month? 20 euros ... (+ 5 days to skill wing command now)

Don't steal money to your fans, this is vileness

Ps: not the first time so all my paid accounts are closed now

Wing Command 4 was not required before? I do not think it should be required at all.

I am just sad that with all the command ship changes the faction warfare links are rather useless. oh well i just put those clones in a dark corner and figure out a new set of clones to play with till those implant become worth wild to play with again some time in the future