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Serena Hennessy Orodruin Galactic Planetary Corp. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.25 18:41:00 - [1] Aboard the mercantile vessel ISS Ushant, The Syndicate's newest Vice President stirred anxiously. Aiming to become the ninth of the great Caldari Megacorporations, the Syndicate's previous ventures into deep space had ended catastrophically, with the fledgling Syndicate colonies wiped out in what would be later recognised as the opening maneuvers of the New Eden War. The wars had taken their toll on the Syndicate. Once numbering over 1500 pilots, and controlling many public trade outposts in deep space, the ranks of The Syndicate had fallen greatly, but her ambition remains bright - a shining example of Caldari business acumen. Whereas once the commerce to the outermost corners of the galaxy had been done either by empires themselves, or by freelancing pilots braving the perils of lawless space, today would mark the beginning of a new paradigm in commerce to the rim. One historian had mentioned the words "East Indian Brittania" during the early planning stages of the project, but Serena had dismissed him quickly. New Eden didn't care about theories of the past... The citizens of Eve cared only for Power and Wealth. Reflections on the past would make scant difference now. Today, New Eden would witness the birth of a new Syndicate. Preparations for the launch were nearly complete - it was certain to be an event that would be marked far and wide in New Eden. What would happen today had never been tried before in the history of Eve. Serena smiled. The Syndicate had once attracted pilots with the slogan "Have you ever seen the sunrise over Tenerifis?" Today, they would see far more.
BOOST AMARR Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:56:00 - [2] Summary?
Fergie Ferg	Posted - 2007.03.25 21:43:00 - [3] Fail.
Serena Hennessy Orodruin Galactic Planetary Corp. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.25 22:48:00 - [4] The launch went even better than could have been anticipated. The fleet undocked from the Zainou Biotech station, and quickly formed up in an undisclosed location in interplanetary space. The trip was over quickly, with the few freelancers encountered in deep space being warned off. Many of the systems traveled were entirely without habitation. If our new market was as spartanly populated as the space around it, our wares would be welcomed graciously indeed. Over 50 Syndicate pilots took part in the journey, from 13 different divisions of the Syndicate. Our arrival was graced by the majestic sight of the Syndicate mercantile fleet arriving simultaniously with the capital fleet, within sight of a spectacular display of pyrotechnics and light put on by our benefactors, the Invictus empire. Amid the festivities, Count TaSessine, Chairman of the Syndicate, gave a speech of friendship and prosperity to our hosts. Originally by: "Count TaSessine" Behold: A new era is upon us. The ISS Caravan fleet arrives, bringing wares from across the Eve Cluster, to our friends in the Invictus empire. It is our hope that this is the first of many such deliveries, and that the Caravans bring wealth and prosperity to all who would welcome them to their space. Today also marks the birth of a new Syndicate. While today only one fleet colours the heavens with her majesty, time and wealth will bring the creation of many more. It is our hope that our Caravans will be welcomed to every corner of the Eve cluster, and that the Syndicate's pilots will deliver her to the forefront of the great Caldari Megacorporations. Come togeather, friends, and celebrate, for today is a great day. If the Caravan Fleets were to continue in this spirit, they would be successful indeed. Civilization had been brought to the newest of the frontiers. The Syndicate was on the move.
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.03.26 03:13:00 - [5] Congratulations to you all at the ISS for your first epic trade Caravan! Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Nyabinghi Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.26 06:24:00 - [6] I wish you well. A great idea that I hope flourishes. ***
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.26 06:57:00 - [7] so say we all?
Skystar Gallente Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.26 07:23:00 - [8] Best of luck ISS with your Mercantile fleet ... it was a pleasure to encounter you on your journey ... Greetings Sky -------------------------------------------- Whom the gods love, dies young!
ace Gallente angels of darkness LTD	Posted - 2007.03.26 07:56:00 - [9] Well done guys its nice to see an alliance providing its members new experiences and new regions to discover. Fortune Favours the Great
GoldSnake Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.26 11:20:00 - [10] Good luck on the move, glad that i wasn't fired on by your escorts :)

Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:03:00 - [11] The launch went well. A big thank you to our hosts for the extra ordinary welcome we received - an exceptional lightshow outside the station greeted the Caravan Fleet. Today the Fleet is resting before we set off on the next part of the long trek that awaits us. Chairman, ISS
Dunpeal Caldari M'8'S	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:13:00 - [12] My brother once said to me about iss: "Well theyre kinda like the Bentuzi..." I thought it a bit far'fetched... but im more and more seing ISS turning into the Bentuzi of EVE , guess ill gotta admit i was wrong to think otherwise Very well done, and i know that ISS will be reborn from it's own ashes like a phenix that soars through the heavens. http://draken.com.sapo.pt/Backstory.htm
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:25:00 - [13] NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE Zerodot Schools will be vigorously pursuing business-process patent-infringement proceedings against this group. For four months now, ZERO. has had 0.0 market seeding as its sole mission. Publishing ZERO.'s business plan was a move to woo investors in the private sector, not an invitation to be copied for personal benefit. If you know the name of a barrister willing to handle these proceedings, please contact me immediately. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Motivated Prophet NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE Zerodot Schools will be vigorously pursuing business-process patent-infringement proceedings against this group. For four months now, ZERO. has had 0.0 market seeding as its sole mission. Publishing ZERO.'s business plan was a move to woo investors in the private sector, not an invitation to be copied for personal benefit. If you know the name of a barrister willing to handle these proceedings, please contact me immediately. MP Your amuseing, think we(before i left iss) did the first seeding of a 0.0 market in like 2006 some where around april you keep sounding as a very very bitter person Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:56:00 - [15] Edited by: Redbad on 27/03/2007 08:53:45 Originally by: Motivated Prophet NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE Zerodot Schools will be vigorously pursuing business-process patent-infringement proceedings against this group. For four months now, ZERO. has had 0.0 market seeding as its sole mission. Publishing ZERO.'s business plan was a move to woo investors in the private sector, not an invitation to be copied for personal benefit. If you know the name of a barrister willing to handle these proceedings, please contact me immediately. MP As people have discussed the legal subject earlier in this summit mrs. Prophet, there is no legal basis to pursue an intent of prosecution towards the ISS-Corporation. As much as we can debate your claim on this business model in this summit, no legal consequences can be drawn from the conclusions or reports in this summit. I am very curious about the legal basis you are trying to pursue here, if the are in fact other ones than just your guns. If its the Amarrian rules you pursue I can tell you that those illegal Intergallactic laws are nothing more then a farce to obscure their barbarian slavery. It will not hold in this summit. Your claims are void to my opinion. join us today!
Dr Slaughter Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:25:00 - [16] Phoenix Constellation Corelum Lurch (Force Recon Class) Even surrounded by the slick womb like comfort of his pod Slaughters head ached. It had been a long monotonous patrol spent system scanning and he hadn't managed to find a single cosmic signature in overhours. In fact pretty much the only signals the nav systems had given him were the occasional clusters of red that typically represented the accursed D2 Alliance Pilots. Cursing his luck he set the cruisers navigation systems to take him and the crew back to their new home and some well deserved rest. Tomorrow he would have to run some diagnostics on the probe launcher and sensor clusters to make sure there wasn't a fault in the system somewhere. It was obvious that even after the long hours of study that he had put into with the Astrometrics simulator the new probing technology was still in its infancy. Serpentis Prime Station Space Dock After the mission debrief the rest of the crew had left for some well earned rest and recuperation although Slaughter suspected it probably didn't include much of either. Everyone was very excited to be basing out of the Serpentis stations with all the interesting opportunities they offered. Certainly Slaughter planned on savoring some of the local faction delicacies when time and funds allowed. Slaughter set the security system and disembarked. Looking back at the Rapier he could see it had taken some knocks on it's journey from Omist. Some station scamps in Unity had painted one of the wings with victory signs and a few slogans, 'Hardin hearing? We shout louder!' Slaughter smiled to himself as he headed for the bar nearest the dock. He could see the holo sign flickering from here.. 'The Fully Loaded Bar and Grill'. As Slaughter entered the bar he was swallowed by it's dingy interior and assaulted by the smells of greasy cooking. It wasn't one of the flash up market places that catered for pod pilots or the local faction VIPs. Here the station crew would come in on the way back from shifts of hauling cargo or performing hull repair work. It had a real gritty feeling to it that he liked. His new Coreli tags drew a few looks from some of the patrons but at least he was unlikely to run into any of the D2 scum in here. Hopefully the rest of the crew would steer clear of them too as the last thing he needed was a brawl that would end in a very short lived 'debate' with Salvadors heavies. Slaughter ordered a drink and turned to watch the galnet holo feed at the end of the bar. The usual suspects were busy spouting war propaganda and showing holo clips from embedded reporters. The near hypnotic pulsing of several warp bubbles filled the holo field and a presenter started talking about their tactical deployment when trying to lock a system down. Turning back to his drink Slaughter thought back to the last ten months he had spent with the Interstella Starbase Syndicates Navy. It had been a time of unprecedented expansion for the Syndicate and also an almost golden era of technological change. The fields of star base and capital ship technology had advanced at a startling rate and many new inventions such as interdiction spheres and the titans doomsday devices had really changed the way battles could be fought.
Dr Slaughter Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 27/03/2007 12:23:58 Slaughter had often been called a cynic by his friends but it seemed to him that the new technologies followed the same old rules. The more complex a system became the more likely it would fail at a critical moment, like the critical moment in the J1V1 system when the second wave of the enemy armada, and it had definitely been an invisible fleet rather than a great and most fortunate navy, had jumped through the star gate. Pretty much immediately his tempests sensor grid had crashed, then one by one all non-passive systems failed, until finally he had resorted to using a low res holo feed from one of his crew. The poor woman had held their personal Lai Dai holo camera to one of the forward viewing ports for over twenty minutes until the entire ship got stuck in some strange space time anomaly. It had taken over seven hours of tweaking the warp field generators before they finally managed to escape the anomalies light suffocating envelope. Slaughter knocked back his drink in disgust and ordered double as a replacement. At least he hadn't lost the ship, or any of her crew. Barring some mildly amusing singing over the com channels by the Lotka Volterra pilots the entire engagement was pretty much a disaster. The galnet feed droned on about some newly launched territorial mapping systems whilst different experts squabbled with each other about each systems accuracy. Slaughter cast a cursory glance around the bar, not that he had much of a chance to score these days. He really was going to have to look into an illegal clone change. Perhaps into a body with more hair. Time for a pis s then he thought. The WC was at the back of the bar and had a local grav field back up, just in case... The lights flickered for a moment as he walked over to the latrine, someone had updated the posters you could read while taking a slash. 'ISS - New Horizons Behold: A new era is upon is. The ISS Caravan fleet....' Slaughter unzipped and wondered how long it would be before the ISS caravan arrived at the Serpents Coil.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.27 15:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Redbad Edited by: Redbad on 27/03/2007 08:53:45 Originally by: Motivated Prophet NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE Zerodot Schools will be vigorously pursuing business-process patent-infringement proceedings against this group. For four months now, ZERO. has had 0.0 market seeding as its sole mission. Publishing ZERO.'s business plan was a move to woo investors in the private sector, not an invitation to be copied for personal benefit. If you know the name of a barrister willing to handle these proceedings, please contact me immediately. MP As people have discussed the legal subject earlier in this summit mrs. Prophet, there is no legal basis to pursue an intent of prosecution towards the ISS-Corporation. As much as we can debate your claim on this business model in this summit, no legal consequences can be drawn from the conclusions or reports in this summit. I am very curious about the legal basis you are trying to pursue here, if the are in fact other ones than just your guns. If its the Amarrian rules you pursue I can tell you that those illegal Intergallactic laws are nothing more then a farce to obscure their barbarian slavery. It will not hold in this summit. Your claims are void to my opinion. I have no interest in pursuing my issues in the Amarrian realm, my good Mr. Redbad. As my headquarters lie in the midst of the Jita solar system, I am thus, by extension, a Caldari corporation. As such, I intend to pursue the matter via Caldari corporate law. Should that prove insufficient, I will, of course, entertain other options to redress my grievances. I believe the best step that the Syndicate could take at this point would be to quietly contact me and arrange for a small, reasonable licensing fee for my business processes. That would be a wise move on their part, freeing them from the danger of a large, harsh--but nonetheless fair--verdict from a court. Barring that happening, I again renew my call for the services of a competent barrister to assist me in pressing my case before the relevant authorities. Also, you mentioned past debates regarding legal disputes on this section of the CRC's non-realtime comms network; if you could provide a link, I'd be indebted to you. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Dr Slaughter Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.27 16:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Redbad Edited by: Redbad on 27/03/2007 08:53:45 Originally by: Motivated Prophet NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE Zerodot Schools will be vigorously pursuing business-process patent-infringement proceedings against this group. For four months now, ZERO. has had 0.0 market seeding as its sole mission. Publishing ZERO.'s business plan was a move to woo investors in the private sector, not an invitation to be copied for personal benefit. If you know the name of a barrister willing to handle these proceedings, please contact me immediately. MP As people have discussed the legal subject earlier in this summit mrs. Prophet, there is no legal basis to pursue an intent of prosecution towards the ISS-Corporation. As much as we can debate your claim on this business model in this summit, no legal consequences can be drawn from the conclusions or reports in this summit. I am very curious about the legal basis you are trying to pursue here, if the are in fact other ones than just your guns. If its the Amarrian rules you pursue I can tell you that those illegal Intergallactic laws are nothing more then a farce to obscure their barbarian slavery. It will not hold in this summit. Your claims are void to my opinion. I have no interest in pursuing my issues in the Amarrian realm, my good Mr. Redbad. As my headquarters lie in the midst of the Jita solar system, I am thus, by extension, a Caldari corporation. As such, I intend to pursue the matter via Caldari corporate law. Should that prove insufficient, I will, of course, entertain other options to redress my grievances. I believe the best step that the Syndicate could take at this point would be to quietly contact me and arrange for a small, reasonable licensing fee for my business processes. That would be a wise move on their part, freeing them from the danger of a large, harsh--but nonetheless fair--verdict from a court. Barring that happening, I again renew my call for the services of a competent barrister to assist me in pressing my case before the relevant authorities. Also, you mentioned past debates regarding legal disputes on this section of the CRC's non-realtime comms network; if you could provide a link, I'd be indebted to you. MP To be honest any half way competent barrister will quickly find out that the concept of seeding outpost markets and hence their local region dates back at the very least to March of last year when Crimson Rogue of the Daikoku Trade Syndicate and Vaux of Red Frog as well as Zephyir and various others discussed this concept in some detail. I have a copy of one of the com logs somewhere.. 'Heya all, The Daikoku Trade Syndicate is quite interested in the Marginis project, and we hope to help other traders keep the market well stocked and reasonablly priced. Our operations will be slowing in the next week due to several of our Marginis sales agents enjoying some RL vacation time. Upon return, however, we will make your requests a priority. Feel free to mail Vaux, my Ceo, or myself (Crimson Rogue) if you have other items you'd like to see on the market. Thanks for info - always good to hear we can better serve our customers.' Soon after, as Lilan points out, an ISSN project set-up and run by Butter Dog proceeded to raise several billion internally within the ISS Navy and seeded the Marginis market with various t2 and high demand items. By September of last year the project had run into problems and finally closed it's doors, with a certain amount of acrimony, a few weeks ago. I really don't see how you can expect to pursue ISS for business-process and patent-infringement when they and their ex-members clearly have prior art.
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 16:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Redbad Edited by: Redbad on 27/03/2007 08:53:45 Originally by: Motivated Prophet NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE Zerodot Schools will be vigorously pursuing business-process patent-infringement proceedings against this group. For four months now, ZERO. has had 0.0 market seeding as its sole mission. Publishing ZERO.'s business plan was a move to woo investors in the private sector, not an invitation to be copied for personal benefit. If you know the name of a barrister willing to handle these proceedings, please contact me immediately. MP As people have discussed the legal subject earlier in this summit mrs. Prophet, there is no legal basis to pursue an intent of prosecution towards the ISS-Corporation. As much as we can debate your claim on this business model in this summit, no legal consequences can be drawn from the conclusions or reports in this summit. I am very curious about the legal basis you are trying to pursue here, if the are in fact other ones than just your guns. If its the Amarrian rules you pursue I can tell you that those illegal Intergallactic laws are nothing more then a farce to obscure their barbarian slavery. It will not hold in this summit. Your claims are void to my opinion. I have no interest in pursuing my issues in the Amarrian realm, my good Mr. Redbad. As my headquarters lie in the midst of the Jita solar system, I am thus, by extension, a Caldari corporation. As such, I intend to pursue the matter via Caldari corporate law. Should that prove insufficient, I will, of course, entertain other options to redress my grievances. I believe the best step that the Syndicate could take at this point would be to quietly contact me and arrange for a small, reasonable licensing fee for my business processes. That would be a wise move on their part, freeing them from the danger of a large, harsh--but nonetheless fair--verdict from a court. Barring that happening, I again renew my call for the services of a competent barrister to assist me in pressing my case before the relevant authorities. Also, you mentioned past debates regarding legal disputes on this section of the CRC's non-realtime comms network; if you could provide a link, I'd be indebted to you. MP I'm relieved to hear that mrs. Prophet. Forgive me my vigilant reaction. I'm quite tenacious to see to it that no absurd Amarrian Law regarding abuse of human life get any foothold in whatever new Jurisprudence there may be created regarding trading or business. Safe flight. join us today!

Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Dr Slaughter To be honest any half way competent barrister will quickly find out that the concept of seeding outpost markets and hence their local region dates back at the very least to March of last year when Crimson Rogue of the Daikoku Trade Syndicate and Vaux of Red Frog as well as Zephyir and various others discussed this concept in some detail. I have a copy of one of the com logs somewhere.. 'Heya all, The Daikoku Trade Syndicate is quite interested in the Marginis project, and we hope to help other traders keep the market well stocked and reasonablly priced. Our operations will be slowing in the next week due to several of our Marginis sales agents enjoying some RL vacation time. Upon return, however, we will make your requests a priority. Feel free to mail Vaux, my Ceo, or myself (Crimson Rogue) if you have other items you'd like to see on the market. Thanks for info - always good to hear we can better serve our customers.' Soon after, as Lilan points out, an ISSN project set-up and run by Butter Dog proceeded to raise several billion internally within the ISS Navy and seeded the Marginis market with various t2 and high demand items. By September of last year the project had run into problems and finally closed it's doors, with a certain amount of acrimony, a few weeks ago. I really don't see how you can expect to pursue ISS for business-process and patent-infringement when they and their ex-members clearly have prior art. Fascinating! Surely, though, they weren't using carriers as ZERO.--and now these "caravan fleets"--do? Had carrier technology even been released to pod-pilots at large at that point? MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Dr Slaughter Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.27 18:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Fascinating! Surely, though, they weren't using carriers as ZERO.--and now these "caravan fleets"--do? Had carrier technology even been released to pod-pilots at large at that point? MP You're really making me smile now. You know carriers weren't being used. I haven't seen a point of law being made successfully against freighter pilots for NOT using Iteron V's or against traders for using the latest contract system the SEC has provided us with. Surely you're not saying you've patented the use of larger cargo containers and use of the jump drive to move them around? I may now work for Coreli but I think you may have found a better supply of drugs than we have! I wish you luck with your claim but I doubt it's success.
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.27 19:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Motivated Prophet Fascinating! Surely, though, they weren't using carriers as ZERO.--and now these "caravan fleets"--do? Had carrier technology even been released to pod-pilots at large at that point? MP You're really making me smile now. You know carriers weren't being used. I haven't seen a point of law being made successfully against freighter pilots for NOT using Iteron V's or against traders for using the latest contract system the SEC has provided us with. Surely you're not saying you've patented the use of larger cargo containers and use of the jump drive to move them around? I may now work for Coreli but I think you may have found a better supply of drugs than we have! I wish you luck with your claim but I doubt it's success. So basicly instead of using haulers or freighters its being moved by carriers. This difference means its groundbreaking and needs a full public announcement? Copy ASCN and use a titan to jump bridge freighters, give it a name and call it your own.
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.03.27 20:27:00 - [24] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 27/03/2007 20:23:27 Motivated Prophet; To save any further more hostage taking in this thread, please see: NOTICE OF COUNTER SUIT: Zero-Dot Schools & Power Corrupts Industry's Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Nathaniel Hull Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.27 21:47:00 - [25] I really never liked you guys especailly with all your political manuverings and lies in the past. But now i have to hand it too you its an excellent buisness model with great potential not just in the new regions but in NPC and wild regions like Stain or Curse where many smaller alliances and corps struggle for equiptment in 00. You are also it seems at the time finally in it for the money and out of the political game all those stations could have made you much more in empire and EvE would have had less reasons to hate you in all your double dealings.
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.28 03:58:00 - [26] Edited by: Taikun on 28/03/2007 03:54:59 Originally by: Nathaniel Hull You are also it seems at the time finally in it for the money and out of the political game Are you kidding? Who decides where the "caravan" is going to go? Think about that for a second. This is by far the MOST political manouver ISS has undertaken in years. Obviously the caravan is going to visit ISS friendly space to provide equipment and ships to be used against those ISS have a distaste for. Personally if ISS was supplying my enemies, or neighbours to upset the local balance of power I'd see their activities as hostile. OH wait... isn't that why they lost all their 0.0 presence in the first place?? Taikun Note: ISS Memebership update. Down to 297. Almost half of what it was only 4 weeks ago and a shadow if it's formalself. How much more membership decay is required before these forums treat this Alliance as the non-entity it is?
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.28 07:16:00 - [27] We may have lost alot of members recently but so what? ISS becomes a dead-entity? I dont think so!! We are the only true 'visionary' Alliance within Eve. We are not going 'away'!
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.28 09:06:00 - [28] Originally by: DALE0404 We are not going 'away'! No, you arn't going away but I am betting ya'll going to go "pop" as soon as the major alliances see you for the threat you really present. Supplying pirates, newbie corps (who have NO business in 0.0) and enemies with easy equipment. Remember.. for everyone you supply in 0.0 they have a LONG list of enemies. for every friend you make you make double that in enemies in 0.0 . Perhaps you should wake up and recognize the car wreck that ISS is about to become. most of your friends already have. THAT is "so what" about losing membership recently. Taikun
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.28 09:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Taikun Originally by: DALE0404 We are not going 'away'! No, you arn't going away but I am betting ya'll going to go "pop" as soon as the major alliances see you for the threat you really present. Supplying pirates, newbie corps (who have NO business in 0.0) and enemies with easy equipment. Remember.. for everyone you supply in 0.0 they have a LONG list of enemies. for every friend you make you make double that in enemies in 0.0 . Perhaps you should wake up and recognize the car wreck that ISS is about to become. most of your friends already have. THAT is "so what" about losing membership recently. Taikun I'm guessing politics isnt your thing.
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.28 11:07:00 - [30] Originally by: DALE0404 I'm guessing politics isnt your thing. My skills are irrelevent. No matter how many of you wave the pom poms and whaffle on about how ISS is super extra special... the result will be the same based upon your current "business formula". Insure your ships boys and get the flame retardent undie out. You are gona be going for a pod ride soon methinks. Just my opinion of course although I wasn't wrong when I forcasted ISS would be spanked out of 0.0 in a month so I am batting 1000 at the moment. Taikun

Duke deGulia	Posted - 2007.03.28 13:06:00 - [31] Mods: please clean up the posts in this thread - this forum is for exchange of messages and information between organisations, not a space for rants from disgruntled ex-employees.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer	Posted - 2007.03.28 16:58:00 - [32] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 28/03/2007 16:55:44 Originally by: Duke deGulia Mods: please clean up the posts in this thread - this forum is for exchange of messages and information between organisations, not a space for rants from disgruntled ex-employees. You're dead right. And those who post with no corp or alliance tag are not welcome in this thread. Goodbye Duke deGulia. You are NOT welcome in this forum. As for ME, as CEO of my own organisation, with FULL rights to post my opinion about the business ideas and strategies of ISS, I agree 100% with Taikun's comments in the above posts for obvious reasons. Taikun B
Tubiger Survey Division Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.28 17:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Taikun Are you kidding? Who decides where the "caravan" is going to go? Actually, that would be the clients themselves. We offered visits to friendlies and hostiles alike, and what more can you expect? Granted, I can see how one entity may be unhappy with their enemies becoming well-supplied, but there is nothing preventing that entity from also reaping the benefit. I think we'll find that more alliances will be happy to receive reasonably cheap supplies, rather than hang onto grudges from the past. After all, what should come first? Pride, or the wellbeing of your people?
Varheg Xan Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:57:00 - [34] Congratulations on success of the caravan fleet. I admit to being somewhat skeptical when I was in ISS and talk first started of this idea, but it sounds like you pulled it off.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:59:00 - [35] Originally by: Tubiger Originally by: Taikun Are you kidding? Who decides where the "caravan" is going to go? Actually, that would be the clients themselves. We offered visits to friendlies and hostiles alike, and what more can you expect? Granted, I can see how one entity may be unhappy with their enemies becoming well-supplied, but there is nothing preventing that entity from also reaping the benefit. I think we'll find that more alliances will be happy to receive reasonably cheap supplies, rather than hang onto grudges from the past. After all, what should come first? Pride, or the wellbeing of your people? Pride! ----------
Metacannibal Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.29 05:46:00 - [36] so basically you fly somewhere, dump stuff on the market and jump out, thats indeed very very innovative and epic
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.29 08:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Metacannibal so basically you fly somewhere, dump stuff on the market and jump out, thats indeed very very innovative and epic Oh we do alot more than that!!
Eiro Minmatar ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.29 21:07:00 - [38] Originally by: DALE0404 Originally by: Metacannibal so basically you fly somewhere, dump stuff on the market and jump out, thats indeed very very innovative and epic Oh we do alot more than that!! Yes, we buy stuff from them too
Captin hero	Posted - 2007.03.30 03:52:00 - [39] dam good to see ISS back on its feet.. i knew IAC wasnt gonna stop ya
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Captin hero dam good to see ISS back on its feet.. i knew IAC wasnt gonna stop ya What boosters have you been swollowing? Here's a quick ISS membership update for you. Peak, 1000+ members. 4 weeks ago 650 members. Now less than 300 members and falling. I'm not even going to go into the Station and POS losses as they are in no doubt number in hundreds of billions of ISK. ISS is not "on it's feet". If anything... ISS is simply twitching their leg like a corpse after it's head was caved in. It will take one "caravan" gank and ISS will be no more. Personally I believe there is going to be pleanty of alliances eager for the feather in their cap of squashing them out of existance. You know... just for the pure pleasure of doing it. Taikun Brunel

General Meridus ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:57:00 - [41] Actually ISS at its peak was approaching 2000K players:) Anyway, thank you for your unwavering support. As you can see we are still here.
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:51:00 - [42] And I cant see us 'going away'!! Blue Star Brotherhood
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:55:00 - [43] Serena, are ISS accepting goods from outside corps to ship on these caravans? I have some Deep Core Modulated Strip Miner IIs I'd be interested in supply to markets in 0.0... -Eva- Re-Awakened Technologies Inc is recruiting - join channel RTI-IC for detail
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:59:00 - [44] Originally by: General Meridus As you can see we are still here. Much like the "scat" left by a bear in the woods long after the hunter has shot, killed, skinned it and plonked it down in front of his fire to be walked upon. Of course the dregs will linger for a long time. Tis to be expected. Nevertheless, rah-rah speaches and blind support won't bring the bear back to life now will it? Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management. Do the eve community a favour. Just go back to high-sec mining and stop destroying shareholder wealth with poorly implemented bungled political IPO foul-ups. Your memebership desertion speaks for itself. 2000 to 300 and falling. There is a reason they have abandoned ISS and I wager its the very same reasons why nobody should even consider hooking up with you ever again. Taikun Brunel
General Meridus ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.01 01:46:00 - [45] Well we are recruiting. You are welcome to inquire. Although you seem awfully cranky. *Sigh. Anyway, safe travels.
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.04.01 12:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Nevertheless, rah-rah speaches and blind support won't bring the bear back to life now will it? Rah-Rah speeches & blind hate aren't the best ways of killing things either. Personally, I find my ships weapon systems much more effective. Quote: Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management. Yeah, I'd like to call you on that number. Detailed break down or STFU please. I also think that anyone reasonable will agree that it's a matter of opinion whether the losses were down to ISS management, or the people who attacked the ISS. The argument is done to death, is anything really served by bringing it up again? Quote: There is a reason they have abandoned ISS and I wager its the very same reasons why nobody should even consider hooking up with you ever again. Our corp left the ISS, and yet here I am, defending them. Strange that. If the stuff the ISS is doing appeals to a corp, they should go join. If it isn't, they shouldn't. I have every confidence in the newer management. Both Serena Hennessy & Dale0404 won a lot of respect from me during the conflict, I wish them the best of luck.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey Quote: Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management. Yeah, I'd like to call you on that number. Detailed break down or STFU please. Good gawd man. Have you lived in a cave for the past few months? ISS has hemoraged shareholder value in the form of lost stations. Complete IPO failure in the form of wealth destruction when ISS was kicked out of 0.0 is bleeedingly obvious to anyone even remotely associated with the facts of the matter. You want detailed breakdowns?!?!... I remind you of lost ISS stations when they were "evicted" from 0.0. If you can't extrapolate that into massive loss for shareholders there is little more that can be said to you. Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [Our corp left the ISS, and yet here I am, defending them. I too left ISS, and yet I am here, warning others about them. Your point? Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [If the stuff the ISS is doing appeals to a corp, they should go join. If it isn't, they shouldn't. You're dead right. And people should be able to make up their mind with the FULL facts at their disposal. Not just the ISS marketing spin presented without the historical performance of this ISK sinkhole. If massive shareholder losses appeals to corps... well by all means they should join ISS. ISS is a different beast now and I hold them accountable for their actions. Don't accuse me of blind hate because I never drank the ISS Kool-Aid and no longer march in time with their political agenda. Taikun Brunel
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.04.01 23:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey Quote: Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management. Yeah, I'd like to call you on that number. Detailed break down or STFU please. Good gawd man. Have you lived in a cave for the past few months? ISS has hemoraged shareholder value in the form of lost stations. Double figure of billions. You're two orders of magnitude off. Quote: Complete IPO failure in the form of wealth destruction when ISS was kicked out of 0.0 is bleeedingly obvious to anyone even remotely associated with the facts of the matter. Not really. Stations shares have received compensation in the form of ISSO shares, maybe not enough to completely make up the loss, but there was no real reason ISS had to do that. "Complete IPO failure" is a bit strong a description. ISSO share plans were adapted & changed. Yes, some of the more fun & interesting plans have had to be scrapped. There might well be a possibility that the replacement plans aren't so profitable. But they've got a huge chunk of money, and just need to pay a 5% monthly dividend. That's laughably easy TBH, with or without 0.0 access. So that one is still perfectly viable from the investors point of view. Quote: You want detailed breakdowns?!?!... Not really, it was an attempt at a subtle jab to point out your exaggeration. Quote: Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [Our corp left the ISS, and yet here I am, defending them. I too left ISS, and yet I am here, warning others about them. Your point? My point being that the corps that have left aren't a sign that new corps shouldn't join. Some will re-join. Most won't, but leave on good terms, and just don't share goals with the ISS any longer. A few are hostile to the ISS, but they're in the minority. If I have to deal with starbases in any way, shape, or form again, I will scream & go on a mad bloody rampage. The same goes for the majority or my corp. This puts us slightly at odds with being in the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate... Quote: Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [If the stuff the ISS is doing appeals to a corp, they should go join. If it isn't, they shouldn't. You're dead right. And people should be able to make up their mind with the FULL facts at their disposal. Not just the ISS marketing spin presented without the historical performance of this ISK sinkhole. If massive shareholder losses appeals to corps... well by all means they should join ISS. ISK sink hole? Massive shareholder loss? Full facts as I understand them is that the outpost shares paid out at least their initial cost over their lifetime. With continued payments from the ISSO shares, they're still making money, just not as much. Yes, if you bought shares after the initial sale, it's possible to have lost money on them. Yes, expected return is down. But I really do think you're overstating things here. Quote: Don't accuse me of blind hate because I never drank the ISS Kool-Aid and no longer march in time with their political agenda. I accused you of blind hate, because that was how you came across while presenting your points. It's not the message I have an intrinsic problem to (I don't agree, but if I debated every post I didn't agree with, I'd be here all night. ). Now we're having a nice civilised debate about it, and I much prefer this. There are valid reasons to criticise the ISS. I remain skeptical about the caravan fleets, but hope I'm proved wrong. The sudden strong aligning with the caldari state doesn't sit well with me. BWF turned out to be a worse mistake than I thought it would be, at a time the alliance wasn't able to deal with it. But it has some good new management, who are hopefully able to move the alliance onto the next stage. Best of luck to them.
Red Rumurder 5punkorp	Posted - 2007.04.05 18:03:00 - [49] x-iss here, ^^ this - enough said
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:49:00 - [50] so is it working for you guys or not ?

DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:30:00 - [51] Originally by: D75485 so is it working for you guys or not ? YES Blue Star Brotherhood
ELDIABLO VII	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:06:00 - [52] how would one go about joining ISS ? cos u guys seem to have a good plan in the works despite what some people seem 2 think :P
Supay Caldari The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:05:00 - [53] Damn, is Taikun still trying to flame every ISS thread going? So, basically you were a jumped up twerp who didn't fit into ISSN, have some kind of major ego complex and now just look like a bitter, twisted nutter who has nothing else in his life to do than chase around yapping at the heels of ISS. If you don't like what they're doing, fair enough, but why don't you try doing something interesting yourself rather than spending your time trying to tarnish their works. They've done far more than you will ever achieve. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) I'll be eating out of your bins!
Odarin Dark Nebula Gallente Division Dark Nebula Gallactic Empire	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Supay Stuff ^ This one seems to be on to something :P. o/` Hai Serena, gl with the new venture ISS. -Oda
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:42:00 - [55] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 11/04/2007 02:39:07 Originally by: Supay Damn, is Taikun still trying to flame every ISS thread going? So, basically you were a jumped up twerp who didn't fit into ISSN, have some kind of major ego complex and now just look like a bitter, twisted nutter who has nothing else in his life to do than chase around yapping at the heels of ISS. Typical. Don't like the message... attack the messenger. I stand by my analysis. I forcasted the removal of ISS from 0.0 correctly 2 months before the event. I forecasted the leadership "rats" abandoning the good ship ISS when the perverbial hit the fan correctly. Your name is vaguely familier. Another ex-ISSN who ran at the first sign of duress? Whats your story? Why are you so star crossed for ISS? Nevertheless, ISS now is a pale shadow of its formerself. This is a fact pure and simple. I report this fact with my personal interpretation added. Unlike yourself I never drank the kool-aid and proud to point out the truth of that organisation to those who may fall for their marketing charms. I find THAT interesting and consider it a public service to the EvE community. Taikun Brunel
Boris 01 Minmatar Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.11 08:12:00 - [56] Originally by: ELDIABLO VII how would one go about joining ISS ? cos u guys seem to have a good plan in the works despite what some people seem 2 think :P thanks for your support! if you would like to join an ISS corporation we are recruiting so join the BSTB channel in game and speak to me or DALE0404, or if you would like your corporation to join ISS you need to talk to one of the managers, so again i would talk to Dale.
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.12 01:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Taikun Brunel I forecasted the leadership "rats" abandoning the good ship ISS when the perverbial hit the fan correctly. A lot of the leadership is still in the alliance. And those that left did so quite a while after the excrement hit the rotary device. Quote: Your name is vaguely familier. Another ex-ISSN who ran at the first sign of duress? Supay was ISSN for quiet a large chunk of "the troubles". His credentials there are solid. Quote: Unlike yourself I never drank the kool-aid What is it with you & kool-aid?
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.04.13 18:03:00 - [58] I am surprised it took this long for this natural progression to occur. I'm sure many of us have made a few iskies trading beyond empire space, and I'm sure many have used jump drives for it. Not that I'm knocking the idea, I'm observing in great interest, the emergence of a true 0.0 logistics organisation is something of interest to me since I often had dreams of similar pursuits. Good luck in your business. Though I haven't held a high opinion of the ISS since experiencing your old order first hand, and less so since hearing you declare yourselves as a Caldari affiliated group, your activities have always interested me and for that you have my thanks.
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Good luck in your business. Though I haven't held a high opinion of the ISS since experiencing your old order first hand... your activities have always interested me and for that you have my thanks. The 'old order' have gone, new personnel are now in place. Keep the interest mate! Blue Star Brotherhood
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:07:00 - [60] It appears United Warriors, one of the fiercest tribes of the Ushra'Khan now fly for the ISS. I cannot imagine what prompted them to abandon their prior comrades and take this path. Perhaps they truly do believe in the 'free space for all' mindset, but it seems a journey into folly. Once merely a den of thieves and spies, what remains of the ISS seems more like a group of dreamers, drifting in their own flight of fancy. It is an improvement to be sure, but still a perplexing choice.

Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:08:00 - [61] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 18/04/2007 13:07:13 Originally by: Taikun Brunel Originally by: Supay Damn, is Taikun still trying to flame every ISS thread going? So, basically you were a jumped up twerp who didn't fit into ISSN, have some kind of major ego complex and now just look like a bitter, twisted nutter who has nothing else in his life to do than chase around yapping at the heels of ISS. Typical. Don't like the message... attack the messenger. I stand by my analysis. And I stand by my analysis that you were not so much a complete failure in ISSN, as, much more likely, a hostile alt spy with a deep seated political agenda. Hell, we had KNOWN spies we fought better, contributed more and turned out on vital operation more often than you did. The vast majority of ex-ISS members and pod pilots who know them wish ISS well in this venture, whether they agree with it or not. Personally, I always saw ISS's ambitions as being compatible with the Caldari State and flet their culture well suited to expanding the States influence in the depths of lawless space. Now **** off and achieve something for yourself you waste of space. Myn

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Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.19 05:36:00 - [63] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 19/04/2007 05:36:34 Originally by: Mynas Atoch Profanity and Trolling The content of one's post speaks volumes about the content of one's charactor. I remember your gang leadership was as vile and profanity filled as your posts here are. No wonder ISS imploded. Effective leadership demands respect. ISS lost the respect first of its member corporations, then of its neighbours. Finally, ISS has lost the respect of the greater EvE community and has effectivly ceased to exist compared to its 'peak'. This is not an opinion, it is a obvious fact. Don't hate me for pointing out the blatently obvious. (About you, and ISS.) Taikun Brunel
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.19 18:11:00 - [64] I am not here to flame, far from it. The ISS is once again on the up and up people!! Blue Star Brotherhood ISS Management
Gallentis III	Posted - 2007.04.19 18:21:00 - [65] Hi All, Seems like this ISS business is a big issue! As a new CEO of a small corp my question really is this still a viable option to invest in after the resignation and wars i have been reading of? I have only just discovered ISSOand want honest opinions, basically is it still going and how do you find out the memberships etc. Obviously I read of lost stations etc but the website above still shows them? Am I reading something totally out of date? Can someone please point me in the right direction as we want to invest but not in something that is basically in trouble? Many thanks and I look forward to constructive advice/help. Gallentis III
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.19 18:32:00 - [66] Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/04/2007 18:28:59 Originally by: Taikun Brunel Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 19/04/2007 05:36:34 Originally by: Mynas Atoch Profanity and Trolling The content of one's post speaks volumes about the content of one's charactor. I remember your gang leadership was as vile and profanity filled as your posts here are. No wonder ISS imploded. Effective leadership demands respect. ISS lost the respect first of its member corporations, then of its neighbours. Finally, ISS has lost the respect of the greater EvE community and has effectivly ceased to exist compared to its 'peak'. This is not an opinion, it is a obvious fact. Don't hate me for pointing out the blatently obvious. (About you, and ISS.) Taikun Brunel Taikun, I may have fallen out with ISS in spectacular form, and have a few opinions myself. Buy, my God, I've earnt the right to those opinions given how much I did for that alliance. You, on the other hand, were always a non-entity. An expectant whinger who was like a small but growing tumour on the corp. Your opinions count for nothing, since you were so spectacularly dismal in your overall performance at pretty much every level in-game. You talk about lost respect. Are you a little bitter because you've never actually had it? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Serena Hennessy Orodruin Galactic Planetary Corp. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.19 19:43:00 - [67] Originally by: Gallentis III Hi All, Seems like this ISS business is a big issue! As a new CEO of a small corp my question really is this still a viable option to invest in after the resignation and wars i have been reading of? I have only just discovered ISSOand want honest opinions, basically is it still going and how do you find out the memberships etc. Obviously I read of lost stations etc but the website above still shows them? Am I reading something totally out of date? Can someone please point me in the right direction as we want to invest but not in something that is basically in trouble? Many thanks and I look forward to constructive advice/help. Gallentis III Gallentis: Please contact Stins for ISSO related questions. He has taken Serenity's place as Finance Director, and fills those big shoes well. For all other sorts of questions, you may feel free to contact either Myself, Dale0404, Count, Packtu or Roger Albany. We are always open to new investors. As for membership, although the ISS is currently recruiting, we do have a number of restrictions on size, activity, resources etc on prospective corporations. Any of the people above can help answer any questions you may have. I assure you, we are still very much alive and kicking, on an upward swing, and most importantly, still issuing the guaranteed dividends monthly on the ISSO shares. Whatever may become of the ISS in the future, the management team is committed to ensuring that our investments remain sound financial propositions, regardless of what certain individuals in the community would like you to believe. Keep an eye out - ISS is elvolving, and we see great things in our future. If you wish to link your financial successes to ours, please, take the time to contact Stins. Serena Hennessy ISS Management: Internal Affairs Founder and CEO: Orodruin Galactic Planetary Corp. [OGPC]
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.20 01:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Gallentis III I have only just discovered ISSOand want honest opinions, basically is it still going and how do you find out the memberships etc. Obviously I read of lost stations etc but the website above still shows them? Am I reading something totally out of date? Yes it is out of date. ISS one upon a time has several stations and excellent relations with neighbours. There was several rounds of IPOs which billions if not trillions of ISK were raised by the leadership for investment purposes. It is all gone now. ISS holds no stations because nearly everyone banded together and chose to evict ISS from 0.0. Why did this happen? Chalk that up to 'childlike' diplomancy. Most of ISS's leadership then fled in the wake of the massive extinction of shareholder wealth. Major point to take away is ISS schemes resulted in BILLIONS of lost personal isk of investors. This is not an 'honest opinion' rather the plain truth and reporting of facts which can be confirmed by simple research in these forums. Taikun Brunel
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.20 01:17:00 - [69] Originally by: Butter Dog You, on the other hand, were always a non-entity. An expectant whinger who was like a small but growing tumour on the corp. Your opinions count for nothing, since you were so spectacularly dismal in your overall performance at pretty much every level in-game. You talk about lost respect. Are you a little bitter because you've never actually had it? I remind you that: Communications that are deliberately designed for the purpose of angering, insulting or instigating discourse is an offense under FTL usage regulations I have no intention of falling for your flame bait. I am focusing my comments and opinions upon the political, social, and economic decisions made by ISS and it's effect upon the greater eve commmunity. You are attempting to use charactor assasination to cast doubt upon my comments and observations. People see through that tactic. Taikun Brunel
Tubiger Survey Division Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.20 05:25:00 - [70] Originally by: Taikun Brunel This is not an 'honest opinion' rather the plain truth and reporting of facts which can be confirmed by simple research in these forums. Taikun Brunel[/quote I believe that most everyone knows that these forums are ridden with falsehoods, rumours, mistakes, and outright lies. The reason people keep pointing out the fact that you were barely in ISS is because the people that were actually actively participating in the alliance are almost unanimously giving support and praise to what we did and what we do. Billions of ISK lost for the shareholders? Those shares paid for themselves over time, and were even reimbursed to the best of the alliance's ability by conversion to the new shares, as I understand it. I remind you that it was not "everyone" who attacked and took our stations, but rather a premeditated offensive by the IAC that escalated on both sides into a much larger war. ISS did not wish to fight that war to begin with, but forum spin would lead you to believe that we were warmongering fools bent on picking a fight with our neighbors. I honestly don't know why you (and basically only you, it seems) are so intent on putting down the alliance.

Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.20 07:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Tubiger you were barely in ISS ... ...I remind you that it was not "everyone" who attacked and took our stations 1. 4 months of coninuious active service who made every single station launch and freighter haul to and from empire that was scheduled is hardly 'barely'. 2. Where did I say 'everyone'? If you notice I actually said 'nearly everyone' which is in essence what you went on to say anyway. Your splitting hairs and not getting to the root of the issue. It isn't about me. It is about getting the message out so unknowing corps don't get sucked in by ISS propaganda. ISS lost every station it had. ISS lost 70% of it's entire alliance. ISS was kicked out of 0.0. ISS is now irrelevent except as a glorified delivery service to the chosen few in 0.0. That strategy alone is gona make boatloads of enemies. Not sure how some alliances will feel about ISS suppying their enemies with goods but I am pretty sure ya'll going to be 'shoot on sight' for a long time to come. Taikun Brunel
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.20 08:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Not sure how some alliances will feel about ISS suppying their enemies with goods but I am pretty sure ya'll going to be 'shoot on sight' for a long time to come. Taikun Brunel You really have not got a clue have you? By the looks of it you never will. Blue Star Brotherhood ISS Management
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Originally by: Gallentis III I have only just discovered ISSOand want honest opinions, basically is it still going and how do you find out the memberships etc. Obviously I read of lost stations etc but the website above still shows them? Am I reading something totally out of date? Yes it is out of date. ISS one upon a time has several stations and excellent relations with neighbours. There was several rounds of IPOs which billions if not trillions of ISK were raised by the leadership for investment purposes. It is all gone now. ISS holds no stations because nearly everyone banded together and chose to evict ISS from 0.0. Why did this happen? Chalk that up to 'childlike' diplomancy. Most of ISS's leadership then fled in the wake of the massive extinction of shareholder wealth. Major point to take away is ISS schemes resulted in BILLIONS of lost personal isk of investors. This is not an 'honest opinion' rather the plain truth and reporting of facts which can be confirmed by simple research in these forums. Taikun Brunel
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:47:00 - [74] Sigh I thought we'd been through this already. Originally by: Taikun Brunel trillions of ISK were raised by the leadership for investment purposes. (Emphasis mine). No. See one of my previous posts on this thread. Quote: It is all gone now. No. ISSO is still going fine. See one of my previous posts on this thread. Quote: ISS holds no stations because nearly everyone banded together and chose to evict ISS from 0.0. (Emphasis mine). No, just one of the sides in the current great war, and it didn't take all of them. If you assume that the two sides are roughly even (reasonable guess IMHO), and then remember that there are people in 0.0 who aren't involved in the great war, it easily comes to under half. Hardly "nearly everyone". And that ignores all the empire / low sec dwellers. Quote: Why did this happen? Chalk that up to 'childlike' diplomancy. No, but that's a matter of opinion, so I can't really refute it. But please stop trying to band it around as fact. Quote: Most of ISS's leadership then fled No. See one of my previous posts on this thread. Quote: in the wake of the massive extinction of shareholder wealth. No. See one of my previous posts on this thread. Quote: Major point to take away is ISS schemes resulted in BILLIONS of lost personal isk of investors. No. See one of my previous posts on this thread. Quote: This is not an 'honest opinion' rather the plain truth and reporting of facts which can be confirmed by simple research in these forums. No. It's your personal opinion, which you are of course perfectly entitled to. But please don't dress it up as "facts". Particularly when said "facts" have been refuted. It would help your argument if, when someone counters your points, you back them up in a way to invalidate their objections, rather than simply repeat the original points. As an aside, can both sides leave off with the flaming & smacktalk please? Fairly understandably, people seem to flare up when confronted with a hostile attitude. Reasoned debate, or let this thread die please.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.20 18:04:00 - [75] Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/04/2007 18:02:27 Originally by: Taikun Brunel I remind you that: Communications that are deliberately designed for the purpose of angering, insulting or instigating discourse is an offense under FTL usage regulations I have no intention of falling for your flame bait. I am focusing my comments and opinions upon the political, social, and economic decisions made by ISS and it's effect upon the greater eve commmunity. You are attempting to use charactor assasination to cast doubt upon my comments and observations. People see through that tactic. Taikun Brunel Not quite. What they actually see is someone widely regarded as a 'non-entity', who contributed nothing of worth during his time with ISS, trying to pretend his opinions are anything other than baseless nonsense. I can't see anyone in this thread actually agreeing with you. Including people like myself, who don't rate ISS all that highly. You claim to be speaking some sort of 'truth' when in fact its groundless opinion from someone who clearly knows nothing about ISS, and was never privalege to any decision making within it. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.21 13:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Butter Dog I can't see anyone in this thread actually agreeing with you. It is irrelevent if you or anyone else agrees with me in this thread. My comments are directed to those souls to whom ISS looks like a viable opporunity to spent their time, ISK and energy within. I post my comments to emphasise the known facts of the matter for their information, not yours. They can easily discover (using these forums) whether my comments have a factual basis or not. I encourage them to research ISS and their long history of failures and political disasters. Let them make the decision based upon an informed judgement rather than slick marketing and fan-boi commentary. Taikun Brunel
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.22 00:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Taikun Brunel I post my comments to emphasise the known facts of the matter for their information, not yours. ITYM: "I post a negative perspective on the matter to balance out the pro-ISS POV generally evident in this thread". After all, the whole point is to not let anyone be mis-lead, yes? Yeah, I'm being pedantic, I know... Quote: They can easily discover (using these forums) whether my comments have a factual basis or not. I encourage them to research ISS and their long history of failures and political disasters. Well, like anything else, these forums should be taken with a pinch of salt, whichever view they are espousing. But I suppose they do make a good starting point. Just have a read in depth, rather than skim. Look into the history of people saying good & ill about it, see if their opinions can be trusted (oh, and where they've gone what they've done since). Also, don't just leave it at this forums. It's useful, but not the be all & end all of fact finding. Quote: Let them make the decision based upon an informed judgement rather than slick marketing and fan-boi commentary. Actually, I agree whole heartedly on that point. Like all alliances, ISS has it's good points, and it's bad points, you should enter any dealings with them with your eyes wide open. And of course, there's the flip side. I'm sure Mr Brunel would agree with me that they should make a decision based on an informed judgement rather than the speeches of doom-speakers & nay-sayers. IMHO, that's a good point for us all to leave this thread. Anyone who wants to join or do business with the ISS shouldn't listen to me, to Taikun, to the ISS, or anyone in this thread, they should go away, do their research & make up their own minds. Good luck to them
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:46:00 - [78] ISS has space again it seems. So who is up for a recon gang? I'll bring the marshmellows and we'll have ourselves a proper camping trip. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Antion Gallente ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.23 22:12:00 - [79] We do? Why wasn't i informed!!! ------------------- Vice Admiral, ISSN Thus is our treaty written; thus is agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given. The price is paid.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.24 10:09:00 - [80] Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey I'm sure Mr Brunel would agree with me that they should make a decision based on an informed judgement rather than the speeches of doom-speakers & nay-sayers. As a point of fact, I do agree with you 100% on this this statement. The information gathering should swing both ways. Furthermore, I am impressed at the way you have objectivly challenged by points of view. You have given a balanced prespective and not fallen into the usual forum drivel mode of attacking individuals for contrary presepctives. I respect that. Taikun Brunel

FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.24 11:07:00 - [81] Propaganda Wiki All I got to say
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:26:00 - [82] Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 24/04/2007 21:23:16 Originally by: Taikun Brunel Furthermore, I am impressed at the way you have objectivly challenged by points of view. You have given a balanced prespective and not fallen into the usual forum drivel mode of attacking individuals for contrary presepctives. I respect that. Thank you. Reasoned Debate For The Win. Smack For The Lose IMHO.
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.24 23:19:00 - [83] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Furthermore, I am impressed at the way you have objectivly challenged by points of view. You have given a balanced prespective and not fallen into the usual forum drivel mode of attacking individuals for contrary presepctives. I respect that. One would do well to remember on the Internet that not all views, on either side of a 'balanced view', are worthy of equal weighting. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.25 13:05:00 - [84] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 25/04/2007 13:07:18 Originally by: Serenity Steele One would do well to remember on the Internet that not all views, on either side of a 'balanced view', are worthy of equal weighting. Referencing the "internet" is borderline OOC IMO. However since you brought it up... Just the internet? Try "in life" for complete accuracy. I wonder how much faith should be given to online contemperaries who carry out massive fiscal and economic mismanagement resulting in the destruction of billions of ISKs worth of shareholder wealth? I ask you since you made the statement... in the face of knowing that you are personally responsible for the destruction of billions of peoples hard earned isk while personally profiting substantially, why should anyone take your "word" with equal weighting ever again? Taikun Brunel
Quetzalcoatle Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.26 05:24:00 - [85] Originally by: Taikun Brunel ...while personally profiting substantially... Any proof would be apreciated...
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.27 20:07:00 - [86] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 25/04/2007 13:16:09 Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 25/04/2007 13:07:18 Originally by: Serenity Steele One would do well to remember on the Internet that not all views, on either side of a 'balanced view', are worthy of equal weighting. Referencing the "internet" FireFox McProwler is borderline OOC IMO. However Serenity, since you brought it up... Just the internet? Try "in life" for complete accuracy. I wonder how much faith should be given to online contemperaries who carry out massive fiscal and economic mismanagement resulting in the destruction of billions of ISKs worth of shareholder wealth? I ask you since you made the statement... in the face of knowing that you are personally responsible for the destruction of billions of peoples hard earned isk while personally profiting substantially, why should anyone take your "word" with equal weighting ever again? Taikun Brunel I'd like to oblidge, however I just can't manage to place myself in the Hypothetical scenario you are describing. Can you please explain how your belief system works so as to support you 'knowing' anything about my actions or personal wallet? I'm interested from a purely anthropological point of view. BTW your reference is way off base, although my complements for putting in the effort to find matching search engine hit. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Algey The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:28:00 - [87] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 25/04/2007 13:16:09 Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 25/04/2007 13:07:18 Originally by: Serenity Steele One would do well to remember on the Internet that not all views, on either side of a 'balanced view', are worthy of equal weighting. Referencing the "internet" FireFox McProwler is borderline OOC IMO. However Serenity, since you brought it up... Just the internet? Try "in life" for complete accuracy. I wonder how much faith should be given to online contemperaries who carry out massive fiscal and economic mismanagement resulting in the destruction of billions of ISKs worth of shareholder wealth? I ask you since you made the statement... in the face of knowing that you are personally responsible for the destruction of billions of peoples hard earned isk while personally profiting substantially, why should anyone take your "word" with equal weighting ever again? Taikun Brunel If you'd put as much effort into combat and operations as you do into stalking we'd not have had to flush you from ISSN.
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.29 23:39:00 - [88] Congratulations to ISS for the succesfull trade Caravan! Next time bring freighters and pew pew
Blue Trader	Posted - 2007.05.01 06:26:00 - [89] Hmmm..,wher's Tiakun. It's been near a week since he posted here.Someone should go knock on his pod and make sure he's ok in there
Morgaaan Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.01 06:30:00 - [90] Originally by: Blue Trader Hmmm..,wher's Tiakun. It's been near a week since he posted here.Someone should go knock on his pod and make sure he's ok in there Bah ,silly alt...oops.. Join us : Recruitment thread Our Corp forum link

Tifa Lionheart Minmatar The Beautiful People	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:10:00 - [91] Originally by: Serena Hennessy Aboard the mercantile vessel ISS Ushant, The Syndicate's newest Vice President stirred anxiously. Aiming to become the ninth of the great Caldari Megacorporations, the Syndicate's previous ventures into deep space had ended catastrophically, with the fledgling Syndicate colonies wiped out in what would be later recognised as the opening maneuvers of the New Eden War. The wars had taken their toll on the Syndicate. Once numbering over 1500 pilots, and controlling many public trade outposts in deep space, the ranks of The Syndicate had fallen greatly, but her ambition remains bright - a shining example of Caldari business acumen. Whereas once the commerce to the outermost corners of the galaxy had been done either by empires themselves, or by freelancing pilots braving the perils of lawless space, today would mark the beginning of a new paradigm in commerce to the rim. One historian had mentioned the words "East Indian Brittania" during the early planning stages of the project, but Serena had dismissed him quickly. New Eden didn't care about theories of the past... The citizens of Eve cared only for Power and Wealth. Reflections on the past would make scant difference now. Today, New Eden would witness the birth of a new Syndicate. Preparations for the launch were nearly complete - it was certain to be an event that would be marked far and wide in New Eden. What would happen today had never been tried before in the history of Eve. Serena smiled. The Syndicate had once attracted pilots with the slogan "Have you ever seen the sunrise over Tenerifis?" Today, they would see far more. summary we'll carry on working with bob and co.
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:49:00 - [92] My question, which has nothing to do with my corp or alliance, is do you have paid caravan guards. If so contact me with details please =) ex-Occassus Republica <3

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.04 08:42:00 - [93] This FTL transmission has had all illegally coded references removed. This transmission will continue to be monitored and further infractions will result in FTL warnings being issued to the offending parties. Should you wish to contact us at our Yulai office, please do so by contacting [email protected]. Lt. Timmeh, CRC Forum Rules \| E-mail Us \| Our Web \| Petition \| IGS Rules \| CAS Rules Begin a new life in the offworld colonies... So, is it easy being green? -Elmo

Excesse Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:17:00 - [94] Bottom line: you don't need to pop pos's to kill ISS any more. Result! [.CR.]


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