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Neuromandis EPSILON TEAM Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:07:00 - [31] Most old and, not wealthy, but well-off people, can afford twice or more what they fly. Here is a suggestion all in good spirit: always buy, and hence fit, twice, two eagles instead of one, 8 guns instead of 4 et.c. Just insure the ship the first time you fly it. That would be rather simple, and you could literally get killed and return seconds later in an identical ship. It does not work forever, but it can do exactly what you asked. Because I suspect not many people support your original suggestion, I for once don't.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:14:00 - [32] Eve wasn't built for that sort of play. It just wasn't. And your lucky. Eve's training system is wonderful compared to the hours upon hours of boring grinding to even get to a position where you can do worthwhile grinding is wonderful. Hey, I feel your pain, we all do. Its just, pain is a good thing in this regard. Sort of like push ups in the mud. Without the mud. Or push ups. "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
Vidar Kentoran Minmatar Provenance.	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:15:00 - [33] Why don't you fit multiple ships, then, when you die, you hop in the next one, insure it, and off you go. Yes, this requires an investment above one ship, but you complained about the time to refit, not the cost. This doesn't actually cost more, it just requires you to keep more of your isk as assets rather than liquid, so it should be a reasonable solution to your problem.
Raoul Endymion Gallente Defenders of Hyperion	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:18:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. /signed if you cant face the consequences, go back to wow, pokemon online or whereever you came from.. x13 Website ~ x13 Killboard ~ x13 Recruitment
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:20:00 - [35] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/03/2007 00:16:34 Originally by: Raoul Endymion if you cant face the consequences, go back to wow, pokemon online or whereever you came from.. I'm keeping this quote ^^ ______________________ Interested?
Kamal Drax	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:21:00 - [36] @ OP Your playing the wrong game. Eve appeals to me and most other players because of it's risk reward system, including death. Two weeks ago I lost nearly 500 million ISK between my ship and my head. It was painful, but I took it like a man. I didn't run to the forums and cry "this is unfair, and I don't have time to get another ship because of my real life commitments". I don't mean to be harsh, but your post is all about YOU. .
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:31:00 - [37] Your idea : Bad CCPs idea : Good... They are bringing in some constellation transfer thingy where you can get items within a few jumps of you instantly... at least it better be instantly... or theres no real point. Now i know you're a caldari nationalist thug but not all of us fly t1... some even use named and t2 And the availability/price fluctuate a crapload. If you just want t1 its not hard to buy 40 of everything and just buy the ship hull when you need it.. And if the insurance autobuys you new stuff it might screw up and blow a lot of isk on non important components. Basically just dont fly what you cant afford to lose... and afford to buy yourself 30 of them in advance Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Nalar Marnith Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:35:00 - [38] Suck it up princess.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:39:00 - [39] @OP If you just want to kill people and have fun, seriously, an MMO is not for you. Instant PVP gratification == just about any other game out there that's not an MMO. And yes, I'm serious when I say this, because for a long while I did leave EVE -- what brought me back was the persistent world, the logistics and how all of that makes the battles that much more thrilling. Logistics is probably key their - players who expect to regularly engage in PVP have backup ships ready. My policy at the moment is to keep 2 fleet battleships handy, as well as a selection of cruisers, and to keep enough ISK in the bank to replace my ratter for it's insurance value. Funnily enough, that isn't actually a lot of ISK - about 30 mill. Don't insure ships as you buy them, but keep them fitted. I name them "Uninsured" to make sure I do that before taking them out. And yes, eventually you will have to sit back and make ISK. That's the logistics part and that's why we play EVE - because we can hurt others in the same way and in that vein can be hurt. Diversify your ISK making abilities, get Level 4 kill mission agents (takes about 3 days of grinding lower levels I found, a week if you do it more leisurely pace).
Benefactor	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:40:00 - [40] Part of what keeps me coming back to EVE is the sense of immersion, the feeling that there are "real" stakes in the context of the game world, and that a ship lost is really a ship lost. Which is why, of course, a capital ship being popped in a fleet engagement is a big deal, it represents days of effort, if not weeks. If EVE followed the "lol u died" levity of other MMOs, it would lose all appeal and charm to me. I suppose you want your "damaged" ship towed back to base like it was in Earth and Beyond, or some silly "rez" scheme like in WoW? Goodbye, all sense of risk, all excitement, and of course, goodbye all sense of accomplishment.
Euthanasia XXX hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? If you have to do all of that to get by, maybe you should stop paying $15 a month so you can afford more ramen.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Euthanasia XXX Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? If you have to do all of that to get by, maybe you should stop paying $15 a month so you can afford more ramen. Running a small business and running a second job...I kind of want more detail here.
Benefactor	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:51:00 - [43] Ahh, the old-fashioned Protestant Work Ethic. I work harder than you/make more money/have more blood pressure pill medications, therefore I am special and my opinion should carry more weight.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:24:00 - [44] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 27/03/2007 01:23:20 I actually think that the "death" penalty isn't hard enough. Things I think should be changed: 1) If you declare war, you are not entitled insurance lost because of that war dec. If you proclaim the war mutual, niether side gets insurance payments. Obviously no insurance company would pay out for purposely engaging in actions that are guanreteed to eventually destroy the ship. 2) Any ship lost to a Concord response doesn't get an insurance payment. 3) No payments for ships lost in 0.0 space. If you are not in "safe" space, then you are not entitiled to insurance. Reason: engaging in dangerous activity in areas where your safety isn't even monitored. 4) No availability for insurance if your security rating is below -2. Simply, you are not an acceptable risk. 5) After you lose XX ships, even to NPCs, you are no longer entitled to insurance until you regain standings with the Insurance company. 6) Every time you lose a ship, including to NPCs, your insurance rates go up until eventually you get to #5. After every YY amount of time, missions, etc then that rate would go back down as you are considered less likely to require payment. Insurance companies are a business, insurance is not a right. The amount of ISK brought in has to equal or exceed the amount being paid out of the insurance company would fold and no one would get any payouts. If you want death to mean something, hit their pocket book. Make death count <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Solarienne Caldari Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:27:00 - [45] @ OP Get Out Just for your criteria for responce you need to F off really... I study, have run a small freelance artowrk/editing outfit (now out of action due to study till I have more time), and work a part time sales assistant job. Do i expect that to affect others and their validty to point out flaws in my logic? The answer sane people would say is NO. I fear you would just say - Stop Flaming Me, I earn money through hard graft irl so my toil in life should result in a toil free online experience. Good news, it CAN! Play WoW and leave EVE to the real gamers. Solarienne (Up late and Cranky) Recruitment Thread... You Know you want to!
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:32:00 - [46] Wow, another crappy Strel thread. At least he isn't advertising his flaccid impotent guide.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:39:00 - [47] this is why war with friends is more fun.. you can agree to stop the fight at half hull.... less grinding, less needing to jump back into the fight... round 2 can commence when someone repairs, docks and refit with a new set up... but yeah, Eve is fine the way it is =P ... we will see alot more griefing if death is easy... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:27:00 - [48] yea harshness for the people who dont cheat; there are too many cheaters in this game compared to other games.
Quan Ko	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Nim9i5 yea harshness for the people who dont cheat; there are too many cheaters in this game compared to other games. BS You, obviously, have not played many MMO's. .
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Marquis Dean but the whole point of Eve is that everything makes sense and is realistic and cruel, just like rl. No, it's not. Don't even try to ask for examples, you'll come up with plenty yourself.
Kaynard Stormwalker Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:55:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Well, tbh, if you die in EVE, and immediately respawn with the same ship at the nearest station or similar, combat would be about as fun as an arcade game. You might get enjoyment out of it at the moment and then you'd quickly move on, you would never feel the same adrenalin rush if you didn't actually risk anything. Plus, the economy in EVE would most likely collapse. You know, if you had ONE button to store your ship fitting and another that you clicked ONCE and it bought off the market everything that was stored in the config and automatically fitted it...I'm sure people would PvP more and the economy would have a boost. And yes, it is a hassle. Sometimes I want to buy several AF's and fit them alike but it's a bit annoying. Maybe I'm just too practical ? Not lazy though, laziness is not wanting to do things that needs doing. I see fun in PvP'ing/whatever, not in looking for stuff where is cheaper and go through 9859895 categories (even when you use quickbar) to re-fit. But I guess that would be too good for us no ?
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Kaynard Stormwalker You know, if you had ONE button to store your ship fitting and another that you clicked ONCE and it bought off the market everything that was stored in the config and automatically fitted it...I'm sure people would PvP more and the economy would have a boost. And yes, it is a hassle. Sometimes I want to buy several AF's and fit them alike but it's a bit annoying. Maybe I'm just too practical ? Not lazy though, laziness is not wanting to do things that needs doing. No, that really is laziness. And is it that important to hunt down the absolute lowest prices? When I need to shop for a new ship, I fly a shuttle to Jita 4-4, buy the ship I need, get in it, buy all the mods and fit them, and fly it away. Is that so hard? If you can't go into hisec, or you are based in deepest 0.0, then your alliance should be taking care of you, which of course it won't. --- Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -ReverendM Rev that took you ages to pick up on.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! maybe you want some kind of "macro" too so you dont have to play the game at all. how about that? PS: noone here cares about your personal life. -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Reycks Armunicus Gallente CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:27:00 - [54] Edited by: Reycks Armunicus on 27/03/2007 04:25:27 you could just find a manufacturing corp and arrange for a few ships with certain fittings to always be in your clone station. It's what I plan to do if I ever become a rich pilot. Also Kaynards idea
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:33:00 - [55] "Go back to WoW!" "Go back to WoW!" You kiddie emo fanbois really need to find something else to say. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin PS: noone here cares about your personal life. And no one here cares if you end yours. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Morn Judith Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/03/2007 23:47:04 I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods plz kill this useless thread. That right there sums up exactly how I feel. I may have to save this quote and use it in every flippin' thread that this guys starts.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:37:00 - [58] May I quote my fellow co-wor...players, F.Off. Signature removed as it fails to comply with the rules. Also, please think of the epileptics :) -Ivan K
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Morn Judith Edited by: Morn Judith on 27/03/2007 04:35:24 Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/03/2007 23:47:04 I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods plz kill this useless thread. That right there sums up exactly how I feel. I may have to save this quote and use it in every flippin' thread that this guys starts. Edit: By the way, that may be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If you don't have to work for it, then why the hell would you care if you lost it? And what would happen if you didn't have the isk needed to buy everything? No. Just. . . no. I find it quite funny how the only people who are getting offended by his "criteria" are the losers it applies to. Those who actually have said things find it humorous. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Slave 1138	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? [/quote Wait, you are boasting about running a "small business" yet you fail to identify how to effectively or effeciently manage your time in a video game!?! Could you be kind enough to list the business you operate so others can avoid a potential loss. thanks in advance. (pictures customers can debt collectors calling to diconnected business line)

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