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Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:25:00 - [91] yes to everything. And no to your suggestion. The ship loss and the player market is a VERY large part of what makes eve so magical. One thing I am starting to object to is the skillpoint loss on podding if you do not have an upgraded clone. Now, before you yell at me it is VERY important to read the following: If you get podded you have to bother with upgrading your clone before you head out to do more fighting (unless you dont care about your skillpoints). If you could however head back out to do more fighting - not fearing such a heavy penalty as skillpoint loss we could possibly have a higher participation % actually fighting ... and in bigger fights, people coming back for more. more fighting = more fun ... right? .
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? Yes... 2. Do you currently run a small business? No, why should I bother when I get well paid at my job? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? No, chose to live the single life while im young. 4. Do you have a second, part time job? Yup... More money for me:D 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? Indeed! quote] There you go: www.starwarsgalaxies.com NO death penalty at all! Must be your dream.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:27:00 - [93] Originally by: Tissa Edited by: Tissa on 27/03/2007 08:22:22 I thought right wingers were for the death penalty. You didn't really answer my question, and avoided it. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:29:00 - [94] Originally by: Ravenal yes to everything. And no to your suggestion. The ship loss and the player market is a VERY large part of what makes eve so magical. One thing I am starting to object to is the skillpoint loss on podding if you do not have an upgraded clone. Now, before you yell at me it is VERY important to read the following: If you get podded you have to bother with upgrading your clone before you head out to do more fighting (unless you dont care about your skillpoints). If you could however head back out to do more fighting - not fearing such a heavy penalty as skillpoint loss we could possibly have a higher participation % actually fighting ... and in bigger fights, people coming back for more. more fighting = more fun ... right?[/quote] Yes to more fighting, and therefore more fun. I want to be able to log in and find an awesome fleet battle within seconds! CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!

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Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:34:00 - [96] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Yes to more fighting, and therefore more fun. I want to be able to log in and find an awesome fleet battle within seconds! Absolutely not. Eve is a "Softly Softly, Catchee Monkey" game. Please don't change Eve, change the game you play instead for a quick blast, and come back to Eve when you want depth and detail. ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. Eve this is hotel bastardo. -----------------------------------------------

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:45:00 - [97] Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:49:00 - [98] You've got to admit though, that the OP's statement was inflamattory to begin with, posting a set of criteria that if you didn't meet it, you were unworthy of entering the discussion. "My answer is YES to all five. You must have a minimum of a B to respond to this thread (4 out of 5 questions answered with a YES)" That's starting out as flame bait to start with! ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. Eve is Hotel Bastardo. -----------------------------------------------
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:49:00 - [99] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Well stated. I hope you pass my idea on to the development team. Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:51:00 - [100] Edited by: Jex Jast on 27/03/2007 09:50:02 You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant, removing any of the penalty you normally suffer for death. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? Edit: Hmm, upon looking at the post it seems a little harsh by the new standards of this thread. Bolded the main idea so as not to look like I'm just getting a flame in. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:55:00 - [101] Originally by: Jex Jast You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? It is optional. You could have multiple configurations, and such. The point is to LIMIT the time between ship destruction, and the ability to get out there and fly again. That way, you're maximizing on stuff that is FUN! Shopping around for a ship and the same exact components is not very fun. I just want to fly IMMEDIATELY afterwards! CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:55:00 - [102] Edited by: The Slayer on 27/03/2007 09:52:07 Ok before I post : 1. Do you have a job? - Yes 2. Do you currently run a small business? - No 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? - Yes 4. Do you have a second, part time job? - Yes 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? - Yes YAY I WIN THREAD! Anyway - Suck it up. It takes me all of 5 minutes to buy and refit a dominix when I get killed. And thats in lowsec. You just gotta be prepared. Have a stock of mods waiting, best named T1 if you cant afford T2. Have your clone set in a system you know there to be a supply of ships in that isnt too far from home. Keep backup ships, maybe not another BS but a BC or Cruiser will do (often when I lose a BS I dont buy one for a week to teach myself a lesson :(). There are ways and means to adapt, changing the game for everybody because you feel you do not have enough time to play is NOT one of them.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:56:00 - [103] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. You got it a bit wrong there, the need for speed initiative is for server speed, not to increase the respawn rate of cannon fodder. We're sorry, something happened.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:57:00 - [104] Originally by: Jex Jast Edited by: Jex Jast on 27/03/2007 09:50:02 You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant, removing any of the penalty you normally suffer for death. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? Edit: Hmm, upon looking at the post it seems a little harsh by the new standards of this thread. Bolded the main idea so as not to look like I'm just getting a flame in. No it wouldn't. I'd still have to spend MILLIONS of isk to acquire the ships and the same exact parts for it. It would just be a potentially costly "instant action" button that would allow me to jump right back in. Did you read the origional post? I think not. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:23:00 - [105] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/03/2007 10:21:35 A long time ago, I was asked by someone who wanted to experience eve without the death penelty. After he played on the test server for half an hour, he understood the difference. Eve is the only game where you can actually feel your heart pumping from a virtual mugging. I once even was shouting at the screen after I ended up killing a gank squad that was attacking my ratting ship back in the ASCN days . Eve can be a harsh place, as ultimatly all production ends up as pvp indirectly. But if you enjoy low-risk activities, then you are free to do so, and take enjoyment from doing so as well. Eve need people to keep the chain going so all professions are valuble. Find something you like doing and just enjoy it. But take a taste of the dark side as well -- Billion Isk Mission
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:23:00 - [106] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Jex Jast You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? It is optional. You could have multiple configurations, and such. The point is to LIMIT the time between ship destruction, and the ability to get out there and fly again. That way, you're maximizing on stuff that is FUN! Shopping around for a ship and the same exact components is not very fun. I just want to fly IMMEDIATELY afterwards! So the game should be what YOU think is fun only... I like to look at why I died and then experiment on my ship afterwards and maybe train some skills I lacked... This game has a huge depht, and thats what you aparently cant handle.. I suggest WoW or SWG, these games are without death penalty, and you can clonezag into combat in 1-2 min each time you die.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:42:00 - [107] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Maybe some of the trols here need to relax ,but you know ,we saw games get destroyed by these kind of "pacific" requests that is why some of the people here that love eve will react with pure brutality and cruelty . To the OP ,no i dont agree with you ,i love eve has it i now .I would go to far to annihilate the insurence from eve ,maybe then we will start to see the true wars. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:43:00 - [108] Originally by: The Slayer Have a stock of mods waiting, T2 if you cant afford best named T1. Fixed for you. ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. Eve is Hotel Bastardo. -----------------------------------------------
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Then why dont you go back to wow you lozar!? In it for the state
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr Navy Runners	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:46:00 - [110] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Well stated. I hope you pass my idea on to the development team. Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. Wrangler is part of the Dev team. You can go on and on about what you want but nobody is agreeing with you, including the Devs. Harsh death penalty is very much part of the core of the entire game. This is not just a PvP game, it's very much a war game, and like in real wars, victory is not just decided on the battlefield but also by the industrial backbone and the logistic abilities of the opposing forces.
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:47:00 - [111] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:30 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:03 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:18:34 Currently, I simply dislike the time investment it takes after you lose your ship. You have to fly around and buy/acquire the same ship, ship parts, weapons, ammo, and other stuff. How about they develop "umbrella insurance" where you automatically acquire the items and ships the moment you land, and PLACE THEM at the exact station you landed at (or cloned at)? To SUPPORT industrialists, it could automatically buy up the items from vendors within the particular region, using the lowest priced ones first. This could also develop a new industry to work with the current insurance industry. Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? My answer is YES to all five. You must have a minimum of a B to respond to this thread (4 out of 5 questions answered with a YES) lol i can say yes to 4 of those - the part time job part Deal with it mate, this is eve, not wow Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:48:00 - [112] Allow for duplication of fittings with the single push of a button and spend time gathering the modules and ammo needed instead of manually fitting all 20 ships and you'll have what you seek without it being easymode.
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:03:00 - [113] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Well stated. I hope you pass my idea on to the development team. Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. Lemme get this straight U go around blowing people up in LOW SEC which you know LOWERS sec standing, ganking miners, hauylers, pvpers and now ur past -5 EVERYONE can shoot u, which puts u in a bad position across the entire eve universe. so u want an easy fix so u can go back to -1.0? NO NO NO NO NO NO Why should u have it easy? U did the crime, u do the time, this post u have posted is about making eve easier for u thats it Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Mogrin	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:21:00 - [114] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Well, tbh, if you die in EVE, and immediately respawn with the same ship at the nearest station or similar, pvp combat would be a much more fun. You might get enjoyment out of it at the moment and then you'd get the same enjoyment later on, and I would make more money. But the real reason is the economy, the economy in EVE would most likely collapse. Eve is an economy game first and pvp game second. fixed
wierchas noobhunter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:33:00 - [115] yes to 4 of your q and yeah u suck go and play wow noob lol
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:46:00 - [116] EVE is here for the entertainment and enjoyment of all its players. The harsh death penalty is part of that: if someone is annoying you, you can shoot them, and then they go away for a while. They don't just respawn on top of you. I think there's a less controvertial feature that would save time and benefit everyone though: saveable ship fittings. You spend time sorting out your ship, save the fit, then when you want another one load it up and are presented with the options: - items that are available in current hangar: green - items on market in current station: yellow. These are totalised, including relation to current average, and you can buy the full set with one click. - items not available at your location: red. You've got to get them yourself. (In the ideal world this would integrate with QuickFit...) You cannot introduce a mechanism which teleports ships and items to your current location without completely ruining the game for a lot of other people. Sorry.

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