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Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:30 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:03 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:18:34 Currently, I simply dislike the time investment it takes after you lose your ship. You have to fly around and buy/acquire the same ship, ship parts, weapons, ammo, and other stuff. How about they develop "umbrella insurance" where you automatically acquire the items and ships the moment you land, and PLACE THEM at the exact station you landed at (or cloned at)? To SUPPORT industrialists, it could automatically buy up the items from vendors within the particular region, using the lowest priced ones first. This could also develop a new industry to work with the current insurance industry. Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? My answer is YES to all five. You must have a minimum of a B to respond to this thread (4 out of 5 questions answered with a YES) CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:24:00 - [2] yes to all but the girlfriend/relationship one and I think it is fine as it is. -=#=- Angry beer bottles make Kaemonn a sad panda NO It's Been Touched
Terranid Meester Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:26:00 - [3] This is EVE (and to get there first) not a game like WoW. I suspect people play it for the harshness like myself. Your suggestion would not be welcome by a majority I reckon. There is however a solution to your problem. Its called buy more ships and fit them up.
Sunabi Caldari Xynomorph Industries	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:27:00 - [4] You could end up involuntarily spending a lot of money if you landed/cloned in a region where prices are high
Nicholas Barker Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:28:00 - [5] after death you can either respawn with 25% damage to all modules, or can fly in a pod back to your ship and respawn with 0 damage. ------------------------------------- Am Orbitin' ur ship! Gettin' nossed!
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr Navy Runners	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:29:00 - [6] When loss is meaningless there is no challenge, no risk, no entertainment, no adrinaline, no nothing. If you want meaningless death, go play WoW.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:29:00 - [7] I think you've totally missed the point of Eve. I'm not trying to flame or take the wee, but the whole point of Eve is that everything makes sense and is realistic and cruel, just like rl. If your ship gets popped, you need to get someone to mine the minerals and research the bp's to build another one to sell to you. What you propose is a WoW-style shoot-em-up style game, instant gratification, which is abhorrent to 99% of the Eve populace. --- Originally by: [email protected] Trolling Hi, Marquis Dean You are receiving this notice in regard to the post below... So deal with it.
Galaon	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:30:00 - [8] Just build a reserve ship if not more then just one. Then you only have to fly around once... I dont agree with you that we need a new kind of insurance - just build a reserve instead! And yes i study and have a work. Living in a appartment with my girl and so on. Galaon
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:31:00 - [9] You're not the only one with a life. As mentioned the solution is easy. Buy more ships, more modules. Have a ship prefitted. It amazes me how many people are entering this community over this past year who want this game to play on autopilot. EVE isn't easy. Peoples definition of what "playing" this game is, is starting to change. Before I thought playing this game was everything involving being signed in. lately people think that playing this game is only when your mining or ratting, everything leading up to that and in between is a waste of their time. But back to your specific post. I found that I almost never refit a ship the same way twice. Improvements are always made and adjustments come into play. It will do you well to have to refit manually each ship loss. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:35:00 - [10] This is why I have three spare PVP cruisers, two spare haulers, a spare mission ship (not that I will ever use it lol, missions are easymode to pay for my PVP ships), and a dozen frigates fitted up and strewn about the galaxy. Rather than dumb the game down wise up and do this in advance.
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:41:00 - [11] I'd love to see the markets in low and no sec with that system, every sell order being 1 isk lower than the next. All obviously would be compleley over-priced to cash in on the auto buy feature. (not that they aren't over-priced at the moment) Also I love your reply criteria, it is perhaps the least arrogant thing i have seen today.
DiuxDium Loot	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:42:00 - [12] IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU ARE A LOSER, AND WRONG. This is what you wrote right? Because, it seems like it.. Quote: Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:46:00 - [13] I didn't get a B and I am still responding. What happens now mr. forum facist? To the point, perhaps eve is not the game for you. I personally like not having an instant respawn with all my gear. The way it is now also rewards those who have the foresight and resources to fit more than one ship up before they leave. There are definately some things about this game that need fixing, but this is not one of them
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:47:00 - [14] I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods don't you dare edit this post, he deserves it. --- Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -ReverendM
Adhar Khorin Amarr Portsmouth Shipyards Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:48:00 - [15] I have to agree with other responses to this thread; the reason I play EvE is precisely because she's such a harsh mistress. Fit more ships; rule 1 has always been "Only fly what you can afford to lose". I fly smaller ships for just that reason, so it doesn't hurt the wallet so much after an engagement that sees me home via the clone bank. Adhar 8)
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Marquis Dean I think you've totally missed the point of Eve. I'm not trying to flame or take the wee, but the whole point of Eve is that everything makes sense and is realistic and cruel, just like rl. If your ship gets popped, you need to get someone to mine the minerals and research the bp's to build another one to sell to you. What you propose is a WoW-style shoot-em-up style game, instant gratification, which is abhorrent to 99% of the Eve populace. You didn't read question #5, son. This is a game, it should strive to be FUN! CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Marquis Dean I think you've totally missed the point of Eve. I'm not trying to flame or take the wee, but the whole point of Eve is that everything makes sense and is realistic and cruel, just like rl. If your ship gets popped, you need to get someone to mine the minerals and research the bp's to build another one to sell to you. What you propose is a WoW-style shoot-em-up style game, instant gratification, which is abhorrent to 99% of the Eve populace. You didn't read question #5, son. This is a game, it should strive to be FUN! Read my second post. A few times. --- Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -ReverendM Rev that took you ages to pick up on.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 26/03/2007 23:47:41 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:30 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:03 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:18:34 Currently, I simply dislike the time investment it takes after you lose your ship. You have to fly around and buy/acquire the same ship, ship parts, weapons, ammo, and other stuff. How about they develop "umbrella insurance" where you automatically acquire the items and ships the moment you land, and PLACE THEM at the exact station you landed at (or cloned at)? To SUPPORT industrialists, it could automatically buy up the items from vendors within the particular region, using the lowest priced ones first. This could also develop a new industry to work with the current insurance industry. Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? My answer is YES to all five. You must have a minimum of a B to respond to this thread (4 out of 5 questions answered with a YES) Sounds like you're overcommitted... If you want replacement ships and mods, you're either going to have to do it yourself, or pay someone to do it for you, like in your insurance idea, but with other players (grimy unemployed ones who stay in their parents basements, preferrably). Edit: Wouldn't this just let you buy gtcs with money from your two jobs and business, sell them for isk, and then have an infinite ship supply and be unbeatable? Good idea... for you.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Marquis Dean I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods don't you dare edit this post, he deserves it. I would put that in my sig if I thought it would survive
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:52:00 - [20] Originally by: BlackMoon Thrawn Originally by: Marquis Dean I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods don't you dare edit this post, he deserves it. I would put that in my sig if I thought it would survive I've tweaked it a bit so I don't get another forum warning. --- Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -ReverendM Rev that took you ages to pick up on.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:53:00 - [21] Originally by: BlackMoon Thrawn I didn't get a B and I am still responding. What happens now mr. forum facist? To the point, perhaps eve is not the game for you. I personally like not having an instant respawn with all my gear. The way it is now also rewards those who have the foresight and resources to fit more than one ship up before they leave. There are definately some things about this game that need fixing, but this is not one of them Why do you wish to force your playing style on me, then, son? I respect the fact that you like not having the instant respawn, but why should that be why I shouldn't have one? CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Dr Paithos Sounds like you're overcommitted... Or under medicated. =(

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:53:00 - [23] EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:55:00 - [24] It's ok Wrangler, you don't have to be polite. None of us are. --- Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -ReverendM Rev that took you ages to pick up on.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:59:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:01:00 - [26] You didn't had a spare ship ? Some spare module to refit a replacement ship ? That could have saved lot of jumps. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: BlackMoon Thrawn I didn't get a B and I am still responding. What happens now mr. forum facist? To the point, perhaps eve is not the game for you. I personally like not having an instant respawn with all my gear. The way it is now also rewards those who have the foresight and resources to fit more than one ship up before they leave. There are definately some things about this game that need fixing, but this is not one of them Why do you wish to force your playing style on me, then, son? I respect the fact that you like not having the instant respawn, but why should that be why I shouldn't have one? I think you're a little confused "son", I'm not forcing anything on you. Just stating that this is the way the game is, people like it and if you don't, then find a game you do.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Well, tbh, if you die in EVE, and immediately respawn with the same ship at the nearest station or similar, combat would be about as fun as an arcade game. You might get enjoyment out of it at the moment and then you'd quickly move on, you would never feel the same adrenalin rush if you didn't actually risk anything. Plus, the economy in EVE would most likely collapse. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:06:00 - [29] 1: yes 2: yes 3: yes 4: no, my company runs well 5: yes It's fine as it is I say :) x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Marquis Dean I think you've totally missed the point of Eve. I'm not trying to flame or take the wee, but the whole point of Eve is that everything makes sense and is realistic and cruel, just like rl. If your ship gets popped, you need to get someone to mine the minerals and research the bp's to build another one to sell to you. What you propose is a WoW-style shoot-em-up style game, instant gratification, which is abhorrent to 99% of the Eve populace. Very well said. 95% of EVE for me and most of the other 0.0 dwellers is the fact that if you screw up you actually lose time and effort. Really pushes you to do better and results in one hell of a rush. That and if you screw your opponent up they'll face the same loss ^^ "course they should understand this going into .4 and lower which makes it fine". Also would like to add that i don't qualify for most of the questions on that list. However i play and pay for EVE, and that makes my opinion every bit as valid as yours. ______________________ Interested?
Neuromandis EPSILON TEAM Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:07:00 - [31] Most old and, not wealthy, but well-off people, can afford twice or more what they fly. Here is a suggestion all in good spirit: always buy, and hence fit, twice, two eagles instead of one, 8 guns instead of 4 et.c. Just insure the ship the first time you fly it. That would be rather simple, and you could literally get killed and return seconds later in an identical ship. It does not work forever, but it can do exactly what you asked. Because I suspect not many people support your original suggestion, I for once don't.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:14:00 - [32] Eve wasn't built for that sort of play. It just wasn't. And your lucky. Eve's training system is wonderful compared to the hours upon hours of boring grinding to even get to a position where you can do worthwhile grinding is wonderful. Hey, I feel your pain, we all do. Its just, pain is a good thing in this regard. Sort of like push ups in the mud. Without the mud. Or push ups. "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
Vidar Kentoran Minmatar Provenance.	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:15:00 - [33] Why don't you fit multiple ships, then, when you die, you hop in the next one, insure it, and off you go. Yes, this requires an investment above one ship, but you complained about the time to refit, not the cost. This doesn't actually cost more, it just requires you to keep more of your isk as assets rather than liquid, so it should be a reasonable solution to your problem.
Raoul Endymion Gallente Defenders of Hyperion	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:18:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. /signed if you cant face the consequences, go back to wow, pokemon online or whereever you came from.. x13 Website ~ x13 Killboard ~ x13 Recruitment
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:20:00 - [35] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/03/2007 00:16:34 Originally by: Raoul Endymion if you cant face the consequences, go back to wow, pokemon online or whereever you came from.. I'm keeping this quote ^^ ______________________ Interested?
Kamal Drax	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:21:00 - [36] @ OP Your playing the wrong game. Eve appeals to me and most other players because of it's risk reward system, including death. Two weeks ago I lost nearly 500 million ISK between my ship and my head. It was painful, but I took it like a man. I didn't run to the forums and cry "this is unfair, and I don't have time to get another ship because of my real life commitments". I don't mean to be harsh, but your post is all about YOU. .
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:31:00 - [37] Your idea : Bad CCPs idea : Good... They are bringing in some constellation transfer thingy where you can get items within a few jumps of you instantly... at least it better be instantly... or theres no real point. Now i know you're a caldari nationalist thug but not all of us fly t1... some even use named and t2 And the availability/price fluctuate a crapload. If you just want t1 its not hard to buy 40 of everything and just buy the ship hull when you need it.. And if the insurance autobuys you new stuff it might screw up and blow a lot of isk on non important components. Basically just dont fly what you cant afford to lose... and afford to buy yourself 30 of them in advance Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Nalar Marnith Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:35:00 - [38] Suck it up princess.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:39:00 - [39] @OP If you just want to kill people and have fun, seriously, an MMO is not for you. Instant PVP gratification == just about any other game out there that's not an MMO. And yes, I'm serious when I say this, because for a long while I did leave EVE -- what brought me back was the persistent world, the logistics and how all of that makes the battles that much more thrilling. Logistics is probably key their - players who expect to regularly engage in PVP have backup ships ready. My policy at the moment is to keep 2 fleet battleships handy, as well as a selection of cruisers, and to keep enough ISK in the bank to replace my ratter for it's insurance value. Funnily enough, that isn't actually a lot of ISK - about 30 mill. Don't insure ships as you buy them, but keep them fitted. I name them "Uninsured" to make sure I do that before taking them out. And yes, eventually you will have to sit back and make ISK. That's the logistics part and that's why we play EVE - because we can hurt others in the same way and in that vein can be hurt. Diversify your ISK making abilities, get Level 4 kill mission agents (takes about 3 days of grinding lower levels I found, a week if you do it more leisurely pace).
Benefactor	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:40:00 - [40] Part of what keeps me coming back to EVE is the sense of immersion, the feeling that there are "real" stakes in the context of the game world, and that a ship lost is really a ship lost. Which is why, of course, a capital ship being popped in a fleet engagement is a big deal, it represents days of effort, if not weeks. If EVE followed the "lol u died" levity of other MMOs, it would lose all appeal and charm to me. I suppose you want your "damaged" ship towed back to base like it was in Earth and Beyond, or some silly "rez" scheme like in WoW? Goodbye, all sense of risk, all excitement, and of course, goodbye all sense of accomplishment.
Euthanasia XXX hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? If you have to do all of that to get by, maybe you should stop paying $15 a month so you can afford more ramen.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Euthanasia XXX Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? If you have to do all of that to get by, maybe you should stop paying $15 a month so you can afford more ramen. Running a small business and running a second job...I kind of want more detail here.
Benefactor	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:51:00 - [43] Ahh, the old-fashioned Protestant Work Ethic. I work harder than you/make more money/have more blood pressure pill medications, therefore I am special and my opinion should carry more weight.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:24:00 - [44] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 27/03/2007 01:23:20 I actually think that the "death" penalty isn't hard enough. Things I think should be changed: 1) If you declare war, you are not entitled insurance lost because of that war dec. If you proclaim the war mutual, niether side gets insurance payments. Obviously no insurance company would pay out for purposely engaging in actions that are guanreteed to eventually destroy the ship. 2) Any ship lost to a Concord response doesn't get an insurance payment. 3) No payments for ships lost in 0.0 space. If you are not in "safe" space, then you are not entitiled to insurance. Reason: engaging in dangerous activity in areas where your safety isn't even monitored. 4) No availability for insurance if your security rating is below -2. Simply, you are not an acceptable risk. 5) After you lose XX ships, even to NPCs, you are no longer entitled to insurance until you regain standings with the Insurance company. 6) Every time you lose a ship, including to NPCs, your insurance rates go up until eventually you get to #5. After every YY amount of time, missions, etc then that rate would go back down as you are considered less likely to require payment. Insurance companies are a business, insurance is not a right. The amount of ISK brought in has to equal or exceed the amount being paid out of the insurance company would fold and no one would get any payouts. If you want death to mean something, hit their pocket book. Make death count <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Solarienne Caldari Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:27:00 - [45] @ OP Get Out Just for your criteria for responce you need to F off really... I study, have run a small freelance artowrk/editing outfit (now out of action due to study till I have more time), and work a part time sales assistant job. Do i expect that to affect others and their validty to point out flaws in my logic? The answer sane people would say is NO. I fear you would just say - Stop Flaming Me, I earn money through hard graft irl so my toil in life should result in a toil free online experience. Good news, it CAN! Play WoW and leave EVE to the real gamers. Solarienne (Up late and Cranky) Recruitment Thread... You Know you want to!
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:32:00 - [46] Wow, another crappy Strel thread. At least he isn't advertising his flaccid impotent guide.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:39:00 - [47] this is why war with friends is more fun.. you can agree to stop the fight at half hull.... less grinding, less needing to jump back into the fight... round 2 can commence when someone repairs, docks and refit with a new set up... but yeah, Eve is fine the way it is =P ... we will see alot more griefing if death is easy... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:27:00 - [48] yea harshness for the people who dont cheat; there are too many cheaters in this game compared to other games.
Quan Ko	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Nim9i5 yea harshness for the people who dont cheat; there are too many cheaters in this game compared to other games. BS You, obviously, have not played many MMO's. .
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Marquis Dean but the whole point of Eve is that everything makes sense and is realistic and cruel, just like rl. No, it's not. Don't even try to ask for examples, you'll come up with plenty yourself.
Kaynard Stormwalker Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:55:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Well, tbh, if you die in EVE, and immediately respawn with the same ship at the nearest station or similar, combat would be about as fun as an arcade game. You might get enjoyment out of it at the moment and then you'd quickly move on, you would never feel the same adrenalin rush if you didn't actually risk anything. Plus, the economy in EVE would most likely collapse. You know, if you had ONE button to store your ship fitting and another that you clicked ONCE and it bought off the market everything that was stored in the config and automatically fitted it...I'm sure people would PvP more and the economy would have a boost. And yes, it is a hassle. Sometimes I want to buy several AF's and fit them alike but it's a bit annoying. Maybe I'm just too practical ? Not lazy though, laziness is not wanting to do things that needs doing. I see fun in PvP'ing/whatever, not in looking for stuff where is cheaper and go through 9859895 categories (even when you use quickbar) to re-fit. But I guess that would be too good for us no ?
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Kaynard Stormwalker You know, if you had ONE button to store your ship fitting and another that you clicked ONCE and it bought off the market everything that was stored in the config and automatically fitted it...I'm sure people would PvP more and the economy would have a boost. And yes, it is a hassle. Sometimes I want to buy several AF's and fit them alike but it's a bit annoying. Maybe I'm just too practical ? Not lazy though, laziness is not wanting to do things that needs doing. No, that really is laziness. And is it that important to hunt down the absolute lowest prices? When I need to shop for a new ship, I fly a shuttle to Jita 4-4, buy the ship I need, get in it, buy all the mods and fit them, and fly it away. Is that so hard? If you can't go into hisec, or you are based in deepest 0.0, then your alliance should be taking care of you, which of course it won't. --- Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -ReverendM Rev that took you ages to pick up on.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! maybe you want some kind of "macro" too so you dont have to play the game at all. how about that? PS: noone here cares about your personal life. -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Reycks Armunicus Gallente CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:27:00 - [54] Edited by: Reycks Armunicus on 27/03/2007 04:25:27 you could just find a manufacturing corp and arrange for a few ships with certain fittings to always be in your clone station. It's what I plan to do if I ever become a rich pilot. Also Kaynards idea
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:33:00 - [55] "Go back to WoW!" "Go back to WoW!" You kiddie emo fanbois really need to find something else to say. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin PS: noone here cares about your personal life. And no one here cares if you end yours. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Morn Judith Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/03/2007 23:47:04 I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods plz kill this useless thread. That right there sums up exactly how I feel. I may have to save this quote and use it in every flippin' thread that this guys starts.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:37:00 - [58] May I quote my fellow co-wor...players, F.Off. Signature removed as it fails to comply with the rules. Also, please think of the epileptics :) -Ivan K
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Morn Judith Edited by: Morn Judith on 27/03/2007 04:35:24 Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/03/2007 23:47:04 I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. D*ckhead. Mods plz kill this useless thread. That right there sums up exactly how I feel. I may have to save this quote and use it in every flippin' thread that this guys starts. Edit: By the way, that may be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If you don't have to work for it, then why the hell would you care if you lost it? And what would happen if you didn't have the isk needed to buy everything? No. Just. . . no. I find it quite funny how the only people who are getting offended by his "criteria" are the losers it applies to. Those who actually have said things find it humorous. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Slave 1138	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? [/quote Wait, you are boasting about running a "small business" yet you fail to identify how to effectively or effeciently manage your time in a video game!?! Could you be kind enough to list the business you operate so others can avoid a potential loss. thanks in advance. (pictures customers can debt collectors calling to diconnected business line)
Morn Judith Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 04:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Kylana Darkfate Originally by: Morn Judith Edited by: Morn Judith on 27/03/2007 04:35:24 Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/03/2007 23:47:04 I missed that reply criteria bit. My reply is now: *fck off you arrogant piece of sht.* Just because someone doesn't have two jobs and a girlfriend doesn't make their opinion on Eve any less valid than yours. Dckhead. Mods plz kill this useless thread. That right there sums up exactly how I feel. I may have to save this quote and use it in every flippin' thread that this guys starts. Edit: By the way, that may be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If you don't have to work for it, then why the hell would you care if you lost it? And what would happen if you didn't have the isk needed to buy everything? No. Just. . . no. I find it quite funny how the only people who are getting offended by his "criteria" are the losers it applies to. Those who actually have said things find it humorous. Losers? See, you just put yourself on the same level as the OP. So, you're implying that if I can't answer yes to his questions, that I am a loser? I think you're attempting to offend a significant portion of our fellow players. My point in agreeing with the person that I quoted is simply that by requiring anyone replying to the OP to live up to his* standards is more arogant than Tom Cruise. According to you Kylana, I may be a loser. And according to the OP, my opinion may not count if I do not have what he has. I am not even going to state what I do and do not have. All that matters (for anyone playing) is that I have a computer that connects to the internet and some form of income that allows me to pay at least 1 subscription bill to CCP per month. If you can do that (and provided you aren't a macroer/farmer of some sort) then your opinion sure as HELL matters.
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.27 05:05:00 - [62] I blame the wacky caldari nationalist movement. sure, it might be easymode, but I think it got to the poor guys brains.. well, into his head at the least.
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.27 05:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Morn Judith Losers? See, you just put yourself on the same level as the OP. So, you're implying that if I can't answer yes to his questions, that I am a loser? I think you're attempting to offend a significant portion of our fellow players. My point in agreeing with the person that I quoted is simply that by requiring anyone replying to the OP to live up to his standards is more arogant than Tom Cruise. According to you Kylana, I may be a loser. And according to the OP, my opinion may not count if I do not have what he has. I am not even going to state what I do and do not have. All that matters (for anyone playing) is that I have a computer that connects to the internet and some form of income that allows me to pay at least 1 subscription bill to CCP per month. If you can do that (and provided you aren't a macroer/farmer of some sort) then your opinion sure as HELL matters. Good reply. It's just getting VERY hard to to pick out decent people from the sea of morons that are the Eve forums. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Rex Brutox	Posted - 2007.03.27 06:38:00 - [64] To OP: I guess you have a home station where you keep most of your stuff and from where you go out and pick a fight? Now, buy orders can be your friend. Just set a bunch of buy orders for the stuff you use the most. Let other players work for you. If you set the price at a reasonable level, voilß. When you next time log on you have all the fittings and ships you need right there waiting for you in your hangar. Spend few minutes fitting a few ships, go out and fight, lose ship, put up another set of buy orders and go to bed. Rinse and repeat.
Nicocat Caldari NASA Navy	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:09:00 - [65] The OP is a flaming pile of infinite failure. I have a job, and I like games. I fail all three other criteria. I'm still posting, you waste of space, simply to say that I wish to find you and blast you back to hell over and over again just to teach you what "This is not WoW" means. You DO have the ability to jump into a fresh ship just like the one you lost... if you bought and fit the damn thing. Tough. Also, you should be shot for what you did to those EvE player guides. Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Rex Brutox To OP: I guess you have a home station where you keep most of your stuff and from where you go out and pick a fight? Now, buy orders can be your friend. Just set a bunch of buy orders for the stuff you use the most. Let other players work for you. If you set the price at a reasonable level, voilß. When you next time log on you have all the fittings and ships you need right there waiting for you in your hangar. Spend few minutes fitting a few ships, go out and fight, lose ship, put up another set of buy orders and go to bed. Rinse and repeat. Who's to say I won't be too busy the next day? I have a couple hours, for example, I want to spend it flying, not outfitting a lost ship. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:16:00 - [67] Originally by: Nicocat The OP is a flaming pile of infinite failure. I have a job, and I like games. I fail all three other criteria. I'm still posting, you waste of space, simply to say that I wish to find you and blast you back to hell over and over again just to teach you what "This is not WoW" means. You DO have the ability to jump into a fresh ship just like the one you lost... if you bought and fit the damn thing. Tough. Also, you should be shot for what you did to those EvE player guides. Sorry, but you rated a 2/5, that is 40%, basically an F. My academic requirements are much higher than yours, so it would have been best that you not posted at all. By the way, I don't play WoW. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Maam	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:17:00 - [68] I hate the running around you have to do to refit your new ship after one is lost. Therefore I try not to lose ships too often! If I want a pure fun gaming experience, I fire up the X-Box 360 or a single player game on my PC. Eve isn't always fun, but it's an adrenaline rush you simply don't get from games that aren't MMOG. And in Eve you are really pumping because death is a real, real pain in the arse. Don't change that.
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:21:00 - [69] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Sorry, but you rated a 2/5, that is 40%, basically an F. My academic requirements are much higher than yours, so it would have been best that you not posted at all. By the way, I don't play WoW. Ah, I get it. This is roleplay right, and you're in the character of a ruthless far right neo conservative? If you tried harder at #2 "running your own business", you wouldn't need #4 "a second job", so then we'd only have 4 criteria to meet your exacting posting standards. See, I've already shaved a fifth of effort needed to be able to reply!
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:32:00 - [70] NO I will give one single reason: If you take your fleet to seige an enemies system and lock it down then simply allowing their ships to respawn in station allows them to be refitted and back in the fight with no significant time out of action. Whereas the seiging force will need to fly back from wherever they are podded to. EVE is all about logistics, if you are properly prepared you will have a MINIMUM of two fitted ships ready to roll and in most cases several more. I personally keep 3 fitted BS and several BC/HAC/Dictor/Ceptors in my hangar so I can get back in the action as fast as possible, I suggest you do the same. F4T4L Recruitment
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:33:00 - [71] Originally by: Timeto Die Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Sorry, but you rated a 2/5, that is 40%, basically an F. My academic requirements are much higher than yours, so it would have been best that you not posted at all. By the way, I don't play WoW. Ah, I get it. This is roleplay right, and you're in the character of a ruthless far right neo conservative? If you tried harder at #2 "running your own business", you wouldn't need #4 "a second job", so then we'd only have 4 criteria to meet your exacting posting standards. See, I've already shaved a fifth of effort needed to be able to reply! To clarify, it is not my own business, but I administer it and manage day to day operations. My second (part time) job is related to professional event organizing, and I enjoy it A LOT. In fact, I'd rather be doing it full time eventually. I won't clarify beyond that, at this time. By the way, contrary to popular belief, not all businesspeople make A LOT of money doing it. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Noluck Ned NO I will give one single reason: If you take your fleet to seige an enemies system and lock it down then simply allowing their ships to respawn in station allows them to be refitted and back in the fight with no significant time out of action. Whereas the seiging force will need to fly back from wherever they are podded to. EVE is all about logistics, if you are properly prepared you will have a MINIMUM of two fitted ships ready to roll and in most cases several more. I personally keep 3 fitted BS and several BC/HAC/Dictor/Ceptors in my hangar so I can get back in the action as fast as possible, I suggest you do the same. Well, the attacking side is typically at a disadvantage, so this seems fair. The part about the attacking force flying all the way back, well they could always implement "forward outposts" or something of that nature to mitigate the attacker disadvantage slightly. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Tissa Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:36:00 - [73] I fail the op's criteria because it's teh sechsist with the number 3 thing and apparently housewives are supposed to spend all day washing socks and baking and all night listening patently to the answer to "how was your day dear" rather than play eve. My views do not represent those of my corp or alliance. (Joined UKC 19/09/06)
Rex Brutox	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Rex Brutox Just set a bunch of buy orders for the stuff you use the most. Let other players work for you. If you set the price at a reasonable level, voilß. When you next time log on you have all the fittings and ships you need right there waiting for you in your hangar. Spend few minutes fitting a few ships, go out and fight, lose ship, put up another set of buy orders and go to bed. Rinse and repeat. Who's to say I won't be too busy the next day? I have a couple hours, for example, I want to spend it flying, not outfitting a lost ship. Most players only have couple hours. Setting up buy orders and fitting a ship does not take more than a few minutes. You don't have to be online every day. The buy orders are there available even when you have logged off. Other players bring you the stuff you need, right to your hangar. All you have to do is fit the ship. Few minutes chore. It will take longer to make 10 jumps than fit a ship...
Novina Agrari	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:51:00 - [75] Fly cheaper ships. I have about a billion in liquid ISK. I fly BCs, T2 frigs, and T1 cruisers for PVP kicks. If you're running with a corp/alliance that requires you to field T2 BSes or the like, you can't complain about the loss - if you don't have that much time to play, you're in the wrong corp/alliance with those risks.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:53:00 - [76] Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 27/03/2007 07:51:39 Originally by: Tissa I fail the op's criteria because it's teh sechsist with the number 3 thing and apparently housewives are supposed to spend all day washing socks and baking and all night listening patently to the answer to "how was your day dear" rather than play eve. Well, that depends. 1) Do you have any kids? 2) Do you cook GOOD or does your husband need to invest your time in some courses? 3) How big is the house? 4) Are you doing everything possible to cut back his stress levels? CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:56:00 - [77] On one of my old trial accounts I just bought 5 ships, fitted them all out then took them to whatever station I was operating out of :) if you want insta-fitted ships try storing your fittings for each setup in a little container, then you can just spam 'fit to active ship' and it's done. Flashing White Box (rank 1)
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:16:00 - [78] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/03/2007 08:41:35 I don't see how not having much time to play Eve affects how much the death penalty affects you. The ratio between earning ISK and losing it in combat is probably quite similar if you spend five hours a day playing or five hours a week. The tough death penalty is one of the best things about Eve, and for the record isn't nearly as harsh now as it was when Eve was first released. Victory is meaningless without the risk of defeat. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Nicocat The OP is a flaming pile of infinite failure. I have a job, and I like games. I fail all three other criteria. I'm still posting, you waste of space, simply to say that I wish to find you and blast you back to hell over and over again just to teach you what "This is not WoW" means. You DO have the ability to jump into a fresh ship just like the one you lost... if you bought and fit the damn thing. Tough. Also, you should be shot for what you did to those EvE player guides. Sorry, but you rated a 2/5, that is 40%, basically an F. My academic requirements are much higher than yours, so it would have been best that you not posted at all. By the way, I don't play WoW. Mods, could we get this obvious flamebait locked please? Thanks :)
Tissa Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:26:00 - [80] Edited by: Tissa on 27/03/2007 08:22:22 I thought right wingers were for the death penalty. My views do not represent those of my corp or alliance. (Joined UKC 19/09/06)
Shadowsword The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:36:00 - [81] Ship losses/time penalty when you die too harsh? No, for reasons explained above. SP loss when you die without an updated clone too harsh? Imho, yes. I think the game should prevent you to put your clone in a station without a medical bay. Bad things can happen when you're forced to exit a station without a clone, I know this from painful experience... ------------------------------------------ A big nuke may be nice in a strategy game, but something like this in a game where every unit is a player, and each death costly, is insane.
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr Navy Runners	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:40:00 - [82] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 27/03/2007 07:51:39 Originally by: Tissa I fail the op's criteria because it's teh sechsist with the number 3 thing and apparently housewives are supposed to spend all day washing socks and baking and all night listening patently to the answer to "how was your day dear" rather than play eve. Well, that depends. 1) Do you have any kids? 2) Do you cook GOOD or does your husband need to invest your time in some courses? 3) How big is the house? 4) Are you doing everything possible to cut back his stress levels? You, sir, just disqualified yourself from any rational discussions. I thought ultraconservatist, right-wing religious bigots like you weren't allowed to use anything powered by electricity.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:44:00 - [83] I play eve for one reason: DYING MEANS SOMETHING! games like Jumpgate were BRILLIANT, but they lacked one thing, a penalty for dying. Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:57:00 - [84] HAHA damn n00b! You're suggesting a thing that is already in game! It's called "blueprint original". Whenever I want to PVP/know I risk beeing killed I just buy (or search my hugh library) for the shipitting bpos. Then I buy some minerals and produce them 2-10fold (depending on the %-chance of loosing it). Compared to WoW-ish corpse runs I even save time (about 30s-2min of fitting a ship in speed mode :D ). If you can't afford the needed BPOs, dont fly it. If that sounds unfair cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it...
V00DOO MAN	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:59:00 - [85] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Rex Brutox To OP: I guess you have a home station where you keep most of your stuff and from where you go out and pick a fight? Now, buy orders can be your friend. Just set a bunch of buy orders for the stuff you use the most. Let other players work for you. If you set the price at a reasonable level, voilß. When you next time log on you have all the fittings and ships you need right there waiting for you in your hangar. Spend few minutes fitting a few ships, go out and fight, lose ship, put up another set of buy orders and go to bed. Rinse and repeat. Who's to say I won't be too busy the next day? I have a couple hours, for example, I want to spend it flying, not outfitting a lost ship. Just stfu and quit the game already, the game wount change just to suit your needs. Adapt or f**k off
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:01:00 - [86] Edited by: Timeto Die on 27/03/2007 08:57:36 Originally by: Auron Shadowbane If you can't afford the needed BPOs, dont fly it. You've just taken the game to a whole new level of difficulty! ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. This is hotel bastardo. ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. This is hotel bastardo. -----------------------------------------------
Karim alRashid	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:07:00 - [87] IMHO, death penalty in EVE is not big enough - you die and minutes later you're back in the same fight - no money lost, no skills lost, ship loss greatly offset by insurance. Cheap equiment and no implants and you can play the game like Quake III. No wonder many do.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:08:00 - [88] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin By the way, I don't play WoW. Considering you prefer to log off to save your hard earned ISK you might just as well play WoW instead as that seems to be more your level. BTW, point 2 and 4 in your list are irrelevant if you got point 1 right in the first place. We're sorry, something happened.
Brixer Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:09:00 - [89] Next time you are going to fit a ship buy 3X of each module and 3 ships. Set death-clone to that location and voila. If you don't hyave the isk to invest in 3 ships you are sp0ending too much time in your RL
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Timeto Die Ah, I get it. This is roleplay right, and you're in the character of a ruthless far right neo conservative? If you tried harder at #2 "running your own business", you wouldn't need #4 "a second job", so then we'd only have 4 criteria to meet your exacting posting standards. See, I've already shaved a fifth of effort needed to be able to reply! To clarify, it is not my own business, but I administer it and manage day to day operations. By your logic I run a large multinational mega corp. Apart from the fact it's someone else's business and I just work there! ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. This is hotel bastardo. -----------------------------------------------
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:25:00 - [91] yes to everything. And no to your suggestion. The ship loss and the player market is a VERY large part of what makes eve so magical. One thing I am starting to object to is the skillpoint loss on podding if you do not have an upgraded clone. Now, before you yell at me it is VERY important to read the following: If you get podded you have to bother with upgrading your clone before you head out to do more fighting (unless you dont care about your skillpoints). If you could however head back out to do more fighting - not fearing such a heavy penalty as skillpoint loss we could possibly have a higher participation % actually fighting ... and in bigger fights, people coming back for more. more fighting = more fun ... right? .
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? Yes... 2. Do you currently run a small business? No, why should I bother when I get well paid at my job? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? No, chose to live the single life while im young. 4. Do you have a second, part time job? Yup... More money for me:D 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? Indeed! quote] There you go: www.starwarsgalaxies.com NO death penalty at all! Must be your dream.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:27:00 - [93] Originally by: Tissa Edited by: Tissa on 27/03/2007 08:22:22 I thought right wingers were for the death penalty. You didn't really answer my question, and avoided it. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:29:00 - [94] Originally by: Ravenal yes to everything. And no to your suggestion. The ship loss and the player market is a VERY large part of what makes eve so magical. One thing I am starting to object to is the skillpoint loss on podding if you do not have an upgraded clone. Now, before you yell at me it is VERY important to read the following: If you get podded you have to bother with upgrading your clone before you head out to do more fighting (unless you dont care about your skillpoints). If you could however head back out to do more fighting - not fearing such a heavy penalty as skillpoint loss we could possibly have a higher participation % actually fighting ... and in bigger fights, people coming back for more. more fighting = more fun ... right?[/quote] Yes to more fighting, and therefore more fun. I want to be able to log in and find an awesome fleet battle within seconds! CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:32:00 - [95] Cleaned this thread up a lot. This thread will be closely monitored. Do not post inflamatory comments or launch into personal attacks or the thread will need to be locked. Forum Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website \| Role Play in Eve Intergalactic Summit Rules \| Corporations and Alliances Summit Rules

Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:34:00 - [96] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Yes to more fighting, and therefore more fun. I want to be able to log in and find an awesome fleet battle within seconds! Absolutely not. Eve is a "Softly Softly, Catchee Monkey" game. Please don't change Eve, change the game you play instead for a quick blast, and come back to Eve when you want depth and detail. ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. Eve this is hotel bastardo. -----------------------------------------------

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:45:00 - [97] Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:49:00 - [98] You've got to admit though, that the OP's statement was inflamattory to begin with, posting a set of criteria that if you didn't meet it, you were unworthy of entering the discussion. "My answer is YES to all five. You must have a minimum of a B to respond to this thread (4 out of 5 questions answered with a YES)" That's starting out as flame bait to start with! ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. Eve is Hotel Bastardo. -----------------------------------------------
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:49:00 - [99] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Well stated. I hope you pass my idea on to the development team. Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:51:00 - [100] Edited by: Jex Jast on 27/03/2007 09:50:02 You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant, removing any of the penalty you normally suffer for death. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? Edit: Hmm, upon looking at the post it seems a little harsh by the new standards of this thread. Bolded the main idea so as not to look like I'm just getting a flame in. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:55:00 - [101] Originally by: Jex Jast You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? It is optional. You could have multiple configurations, and such. The point is to LIMIT the time between ship destruction, and the ability to get out there and fly again. That way, you're maximizing on stuff that is FUN! Shopping around for a ship and the same exact components is not very fun. I just want to fly IMMEDIATELY afterwards! CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:55:00 - [102] Edited by: The Slayer on 27/03/2007 09:52:07 Ok before I post : 1. Do you have a job? - Yes 2. Do you currently run a small business? - No 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? - Yes 4. Do you have a second, part time job? - Yes 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? - Yes YAY I WIN THREAD! Anyway - Suck it up. It takes me all of 5 minutes to buy and refit a dominix when I get killed. And thats in lowsec. You just gotta be prepared. Have a stock of mods waiting, best named T1 if you cant afford T2. Have your clone set in a system you know there to be a supply of ships in that isnt too far from home. Keep backup ships, maybe not another BS but a BC or Cruiser will do (often when I lose a BS I dont buy one for a week to teach myself a lesson :(). There are ways and means to adapt, changing the game for everybody because you feel you do not have enough time to play is NOT one of them.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:56:00 - [103] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. You got it a bit wrong there, the need for speed initiative is for server speed, not to increase the respawn rate of cannon fodder. We're sorry, something happened.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:57:00 - [104] Originally by: Jex Jast Edited by: Jex Jast on 27/03/2007 09:50:02 You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant, removing any of the penalty you normally suffer for death. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? Edit: Hmm, upon looking at the post it seems a little harsh by the new standards of this thread. Bolded the main idea so as not to look like I'm just getting a flame in. No it wouldn't. I'd still have to spend MILLIONS of isk to acquire the ships and the same exact parts for it. It would just be a potentially costly "instant action" button that would allow me to jump right back in. Did you read the origional post? I think not. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:23:00 - [105] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/03/2007 10:21:35 A long time ago, I was asked by someone who wanted to experience eve without the death penelty. After he played on the test server for half an hour, he understood the difference. Eve is the only game where you can actually feel your heart pumping from a virtual mugging. I once even was shouting at the screen after I ended up killing a gank squad that was attacking my ratting ship back in the ASCN days . Eve can be a harsh place, as ultimatly all production ends up as pvp indirectly. But if you enjoy low-risk activities, then you are free to do so, and take enjoyment from doing so as well. Eve need people to keep the chain going so all professions are valuble. Find something you like doing and just enjoy it. But take a taste of the dark side as well -- Billion Isk Mission
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:23:00 - [106] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Jex Jast You don't have any power over who replies to your posts, nor what they say. If you want to feel special and above the rest, Diablo II is waiting to be hacked. That said, your idea is terrible. It basically just automates what you would be doing and makes it instant. Also, suppose I wanted to use a different setup because I just got killed with my previous one? Going back in the same thing sounds foolish to me. Honestly, if you don't want to deal with any of the game mechanics in Eve, why are you playing? And when you leave, can I have your stuff? It is optional. You could have multiple configurations, and such. The point is to LIMIT the time between ship destruction, and the ability to get out there and fly again. That way, you're maximizing on stuff that is FUN! Shopping around for a ship and the same exact components is not very fun. I just want to fly IMMEDIATELY afterwards! So the game should be what YOU think is fun only... I like to look at why I died and then experiment on my ship afterwards and maybe train some skills I lacked... This game has a huge depht, and thats what you aparently cant handle.. I suggest WoW or SWG, these games are without death penalty, and you can clonezag into combat in 1-2 min each time you die.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:42:00 - [107] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Maybe some of the trols here need to relax ,but you know ,we saw games get destroyed by these kind of "pacific" requests that is why some of the people here that love eve will react with pure brutality and cruelty . To the OP ,no i dont agree with you ,i love eve has it i now .I would go to far to annihilate the insurence from eve ,maybe then we will start to see the true wars. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:43:00 - [108] Originally by: The Slayer Have a stock of mods waiting, T2 if you cant afford best named T1. Fixed for you. ----------------------------------------------- You want soft toilet paper? Go play WoW. Eve is Hotel Bastardo. -----------------------------------------------
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Then why dont you go back to wow you lozar!? In it for the state
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr Navy Runners	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:46:00 - [110] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Well stated. I hope you pass my idea on to the development team. Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. Wrangler is part of the Dev team. You can go on and on about what you want but nobody is agreeing with you, including the Devs. Harsh death penalty is very much part of the core of the entire game. This is not just a PvP game, it's very much a war game, and like in real wars, victory is not just decided on the battlefield but also by the industrial backbone and the logistic abilities of the opposing forces.
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:47:00 - [111] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:30 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:19:03 Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 26/03/2007 23:18:34 Currently, I simply dislike the time investment it takes after you lose your ship. You have to fly around and buy/acquire the same ship, ship parts, weapons, ammo, and other stuff. How about they develop "umbrella insurance" where you automatically acquire the items and ships the moment you land, and PLACE THEM at the exact station you landed at (or cloned at)? To SUPPORT industrialists, it could automatically buy up the items from vendors within the particular region, using the lowest priced ones first. This could also develop a new industry to work with the current insurance industry. Summary: All I want is the ability to lose my ship, jump into another one JUST like it, and go out there and fly some more! Before you flame. Tell me this: 1. Do you have a job? 2. Do you currently run a small business? 3. Do you have a fiance/girlfriend/wife? 4. Do you have a second, part time job? 5. Do you believe that video games are here for your entertainment and enjoyment? My answer is YES to all five. You must have a minimum of a B to respond to this thread (4 out of 5 questions answered with a YES) lol i can say yes to 4 of those - the part time job part Deal with it mate, this is eve, not wow Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:48:00 - [112] Allow for duplication of fittings with the single push of a button and spend time gathering the modules and ammo needed instead of manually fitting all 20 ships and you'll have what you seek without it being easymode.
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:03:00 - [113] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler Hmm, after reading some of the posts here... The OP does post his opinion, and he is allowed to do so even if people think he's wrong. His suggestions is not how we see EVE to be, now or in the future, but that is not a reason to flame him. If you can't post arguments or discuss why you think he is wrong, or right, without resorting to personal attacks, then don't post at all. Well stated. I hope you pass my idea on to the development team. Remember, you're currently developing the "need for speed initiative" for Eve Online, my idea enhances it. Lemme get this straight U go around blowing people up in LOW SEC which you know LOWERS sec standing, ganking miners, hauylers, pvpers and now ur past -5 EVERYONE can shoot u, which puts u in a bad position across the entire eve universe. so u want an easy fix so u can go back to -1.0? NO NO NO NO NO NO Why should u have it easy? U did the crime, u do the time, this post u have posted is about making eve easier for u thats it Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Mogrin	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:21:00 - [114] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world, I personally don't mind games with low or no penalty for death, but that wouldn't be EVE. The rule here is, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Yes, harsh is good. But harsh should not be BOOOOOOOORIIIING. I mean refitting the same ship and flying 20 jumps to buy the same ships and spending four hours doing it all is BOOOOORIING!!! Well, tbh, if you die in EVE, and immediately respawn with the same ship at the nearest station or similar, pvp combat would be a much more fun. You might get enjoyment out of it at the moment and then you'd get the same enjoyment later on, and I would make more money. But the real reason is the economy, the economy in EVE would most likely collapse. Eve is an economy game first and pvp game second. fixed
wierchas noobhunter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:33:00 - [115] yes to 4 of your q and yeah u suck go and play wow noob lol
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:46:00 - [116] EVE is here for the entertainment and enjoyment of all its players. The harsh death penalty is part of that: if someone is annoying you, you can shoot them, and then they go away for a while. They don't just respawn on top of you. I think there's a less controvertial feature that would save time and benefit everyone though: saveable ship fittings. You spend time sorting out your ship, save the fit, then when you want another one load it up and are presented with the options: - items that are available in current hangar: green - items on market in current station: yellow. These are totalised, including relation to current average, and you can buy the full set with one click. - items not available at your location: red. You've got to get them yourself. (In the ideal world this would integrate with QuickFit...) You cannot introduce a mechanism which teleports ships and items to your current location without completely ruining the game for a lot of other people. Sorry.

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