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Blue Copy	Posted - 2007.04.30 13:25:00 - [31] This is something thats realy needed, and im actually a bitt supprised they havent implemented some form of it yet, after all, its not like it hasnt ben requested repetadly the last 3 years. The fact that you can even buy out everyting in an outpost before you attack that outpost system, to deny your enemies whatever they have put on the market (even though you cant dock to collect it before you win the fight), makes it even more important to get something like this.
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:24:00 - [32] bump -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Anna CO	Posted - 2007.05.04 06:27:00 - [33] a little friendly bump to reactivate this greate topic again
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.06 11:25:00 - [34] bump -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:43:00 - [35] I would love this. As it stands now, I have to eve-mail our "ammo guy" for a quote, have him build the items, then he does a private item exchange contract to me. What a pain! Much nicer to have corp/alliance market, with the ability to put buy orders on it too. Sweet. ---- Some people say I have a bad attitude. Those people are stupid.
biginator	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:54:00 - [36] /signed this idea would be very useful, as atm my corp has to put up with the slow contract system
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.06 21:17:00 - [37] Greate to hear that so many likes this idea! So fare not one negative thing have been said and all seems to be agreeing on that this is needed to be able to work in a corp or alliance. If you want to have a corp that really want to sell things to members for a better price there must be a way to do this. Today there is only a direct trade at station or set up a contract to a player when the player want a item. But there is not always a director online to do this. A director is not always in that system at that hangar to do this. And it makes the logistic work a real pain if you have many members that need stuff often!! Members also needs the option to sell there loot, minerals, stuff to other corp members or the corp itself. But now all these things need alot of work before it can happend. So Please Please can we have a ingame market that are restricted to Corp only and Alliance only! -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:05:00 - [38] bump -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Blazing Fire Interstellar Operations Incorporated Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:07:00 - [39] /signed Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Recruting
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:42:00 - [40] thanks for that! more ppl signing this and it can be a new thing... lets show that we want this to be in the next patch -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.10 05:06:00 - [41] right to the top -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Trader Darin Gallente Sky Transport and Production	Posted - 2007.05.10 05:49:00 - [42] It must be work only inside alliance controlled region, it must nopt affect empire and empire corp. Becouse i dont think that some onegoes inside 0.0 up to 20-30 jumps to by somesing if he not in alliance... =========================== Between Light and Darkness, Road Difficult and Hard. Are able you pass it to the end?!? --- àOnly who walk on Path can reach it endà
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Trader Darin It must be work only inside alliance controlled region, it must nopt affect empire and empire corp. Becouse i dont think that some onegoes inside 0.0 up to 20-30 jumps to by somesing if he not in alliance... sry i did not fully understand your point here... The idea is to have a market that only works insed the corp or the alliance. In 0.0 where outpost and stations are controlled by alliances there is not really a need for this as you can regulate docking rights and control who can buy and who can¦t. But lets say you are in a corp that are members in alliance. Your corp have a t2 bpo that you use to produce stuff for your corp members. You want to sell it to your corp members first before you sell it to alliance members and after that you can sell it on the open market. So in a way this option is needed even in 0.0 in alliance controled regions! This idea should also be applied to empire and not only 0.0. This should be an option for low sec/high sec corps alliances to care for there members and not seed everything on the open market. If you can sell something for a awesome price to your friends you should be able to do that in a easy way without contracts or alot of logistic work. -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Sargeant HAmmer Caldari Hammers Academy	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:55:00 - [44] so whats the point in contracts again?
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.10 13:17:00 - [45] well imo the point of contracts are trading between player vs player or when a corp want to sell something on a auction ingame or just do a remote trade. the contract system is not built for corps and alliances to interact with members. how do you manage the logistic work when 20 members need to buy ammo and you as a corp want to sell it to them insteed that they go to your enemies and buy it. sure you can put it on open market and hope that members pick the right order... but then we have the traders that just will outbid you and your corp wont get a penny. Quote: And remember, this is not the end of corporation improvements; this is just the beginning. Or in the immortal words of Stephen Wright: "There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot." -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Archilies The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 19:33:00 - [46] i like this idea
Trader Darin Gallente Sky Transport and Production	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:01:00 - [47] Why then just not make alliance wide contracts??? They allow to sell you any stuff via alliance via contract system. =========================== Between Light and Darkness, Road Difficult and Hard. Are able you pass it to the end?!? --- àOnly who walk on Path can reach it endà
Clansworth Point-Zero	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:14:00 - [48] Perhaps make it based on relationship. Set a minimum standing relationship (seller -> buyer) for the sale, and perhaps a discounted tier. Add a couple boxes to the sale, 'Minimum Standing' and '___% discount for > ___ standing'. I think the standing system in game is underutilized in player level, compared to NPCs (everyone is either -10, 0, +5, or +10, with no reason to put anything in between.) Lifter, Prospector
Sinala Graves	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:19:00 - [49] great idea, but how about expanding on it a bit further, give both player and corp a set of market standings for both Buy and sell, as an example, I can give my corp a 50% discount by there +5 standing for market, my alliance a 40% discount, charge alliance XX a 20% increase cause I dont really like them, and flat out refuse sales from alliance YY, and refuse slaes to NPC corps. the people looking at the market see the price at there discounted rate and will buy from in house as its the cheapest out there. Buying similar idea set up a refuse to buy from tab, where I can refuse to buy from NPC corp members or alliance YY cause i refuse to support them in any way. it would also slow down the use of Pirate Alts buying and selling there goods and make them actually work, same with some of the alliance's. see any Problems? comments, suggestions?
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 06:21:00 - [50] I think there would be problems adding too many conditions and pricing variables, as this would significantly impact market database loads. That's why I simply suggested just two pricing tiers (so ultra-friendly can have a discount, and just one standing lookup.) This is already very customizable, as a corp could set noobs with a slightly positive standing, and set their markets to have the discount on just things like ammo and what not, but ships, the discount tier could be something higher. Could work on buys as well, letting corps buy mins from corp members at a better rate than public buys. Antoher addition that would be required would be an option when viewing market details to look at corp purchase prices (your corp's relationship with the seller) or private party (your personal relationship with the seller). No need to have a seperate exclusion list, as if you don't want to sell to someone, you set them to a negative standing (which would make sense), and set the minimum standing higher than this. This will provide for a much smoother interface for corp sells, and provide for partial orders (somthing seriously lacking in contracts, though I believe something like this was mentioned for future patches) Lifter, Prospector
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.11 08:34:00 - [51] thanks for all the support in this thread! why do we need systems depending on standings etc etc... i think it would be easier to just have a corp, ally, open- market insteed of a system where price is set depending on standings. we dont want to go to complicated if we want this to be ingame! and about the alliance/corpe wide contract... sure as i have been saying, it do work if you have 1 member that want to buy 1 thing... but if you have a hole alliance that want things at diffrent times the logistic work is to big. you cant set up a contract with 1mil trit and then have someone buy 1k trit frome that 1mil. but this you can with market option for alliance and corp private. if you have been involved in the logistic work around this you know why i am suggesting this. the contract system is good, but does not support corp ally trading!! so ill keep bumping and writing in this thread until it is locked, dev answer something or the option apears in the next patch -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Sargeant HAmmer Caldari Hammers Academy	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:56:00 - [52] so what your saying is that you want to create thousands more markets! I think they will look at you and their hardware and say that its not a good idea. creating your own market is what eve (everything everywhere) is. If you really think creating your own market with items why dont you become a trade hub where people who want things travel to you so you can do player to player trading. There are alot of markets out there, if eve really was going to have sub markets within markets that do cross region then what is the point of regional markets. also the regional markets are all seperate, if one crashes others stay up. its done regionally instead of across the universe to lower server load. im actually suprised they enabled all regions on the contract system even if u cant bid on items out of your region
Blood Poison	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:22:00 - [53] I totaly like the idea. This thing is much needed. I like to see Corp/Alliance market,with an option for you to choose if the Buy/Sell order is Corp only or available to the whole alliance. /signed
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Sargeant HAmmer so what your saying is that you want to create thousands more markets! I think they will look at you and their hardware and say that its not a good idea. creating your own market is what eve (everything everywhere) is. If you really think creating your own market with items why dont you become a trade hub where people who want things travel to you so you can do player to player trading. There are alot of markets out there, if eve really was going to have sub markets within markets that do cross region then what is the point of regional markets. also the regional markets are all seperate, if one crashes others stay up. its done regionally instead of across the universe to lower server load. im actually suprised they enabled all regions on the contract system even if u cant bid on items out of your region Thanks! You are making a good point and you are probably right here. You are the first one that thought about this. This make things harder indeed. I might not be looking for several markets... rather the option to sell only to corp members. As i said contract do allow this, but then you must know how mutch the member want, what price. and you cant just seed the t1 stuff to the market in your home system and be sure that only corp members will buy it. -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.13 05:21:00 - [55] so what do the rest think about this? is this idea still something that can be done or is all hope gone? i dont know how the mechanic work and if this possible. but something to make the logistic work less is really needed. you cant sell to corpmembers without a huge amoung of work to keep track, build, hand out, insure, haul... it is to mutch! -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 06:27:00 - [56] Well I think that the owner of the outpost should be able to allow (or deny) access to the market at the outpost. Also, only people with access to the outpost should be able to see what is being sold there. (So the hostiles cant come 1 jump into the region, and see what you have for supplies at the outpost). I also think you should be able to see who is selling what item. So you can choose not to buy from hostiles. Or if an alliance member is price gougin at the outpost you can deny them access to place orders.
Ep'ocx Zonn Caldari Mantigen Quanta Ultio Animi Causa	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:25:00 - [57] Edited by: Ep''ocx Zonn on 13/05/2007 16:24:07 Awesome IDEA!!! There is nothing more frustrating than getting killed by your own MODs =) For those of us who do not wish to support piracy or there mandates this would be a great tool to boycott these people or establishments. One doesnt have to battle to attack ... lets hit their wallets & they have no grounds but to stay on the good side of the line.
Blazing Fire Interstellar Operations Incorporated Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.13 21:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Sargeant HAmmer so what your saying is that you want to create thousands more markets! I think they will look at you and their hardware and say that its not a good idea. creating your own market is what eve (everything everywhere) is. If you really think creating your own market with items why dont you become a trade hub where people who want things travel to you so you can do player to player trading. There are alot of markets out there, if eve really was going to have sub markets within markets that do cross region then what is the point of regional markets. also the regional markets are all seperate, if one crashes others stay up. its done regionally instead of across the universe to lower server load. im actually suprised they enabled all regions on the contract system even if u cant bid on items out of your region This will not put more load on the server. The corp/allaince market can use the same system, just the buy/sell orders will be flagged as corp/alliance and will not be shown to everyoen. simple as that. to more fields in the database, for each order. It is no so much. Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Recruting
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:32:00 - [59] Edited by: Therese Law on 15/05/2007 17:30:17 bump want more to read this -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 08:38:00 - [60] doing another little bump.... -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.

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