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phatkat
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.10 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: phatkat on 10/12/2007 21:06:14
While originally i loved the idea. A quick, easy way to sell only to alliance/corp members. But then i thought about it a bit more and i see a significant problem. (To some it won't be a problem) The fact of the matter is you want to divide the market. In the end what this will achieve mercantile economies. (In 0.0 its already like that) Large alliances I'm sure will not want to buy a single ship/fitting from any alliance producer, this takes these items off the world market. Causing major inflation for any non-alliance players, and new players. While enabling veterans to have it even easier.
While its a good idea i think it needs to be properly implemented to not effect the current market.
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Coreden
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Posted - 2007.12.12 17:29:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: phatkat
Edited by: phatkat on 10/12/2007 21:06:14
While originally i loved the idea. A quick, easy way to sell only to alliance/corp members. But then i thought about it a bit more and i see a significant problem. (To some it won't be a problem) The fact of the matter is you want to divide the market. In the end what this will achieve mercantile economies. (In 0.0 its already like that) Large alliances I'm sure will not want to buy a single ship/fitting from any alliance producer, this takes these items off the world market. Causing major inflation for any non-alliance players, and new players. While enabling veterans to have it even easier.
While its a good idea i think it needs to be properly implemented to not effect the current market.
If you think about it a bit further you will come to conclusion that the CONTRACT system is just this: A Mercantile Economy. I can set contracts at an alliance level and that in effect closes the market. Furthermore, there is no reason why large alliances would not buy from other non-alliance buyers if there is a reason too, especially if there is a shortage or the goods are a long way off.
Also given that in the real world people have some clue as to who they are buying from, and who they are selling too (at least nominally, and especially when it comes to stuff like international embargoes), Remember Buy American? The possibility of having a closed market at the corp and alliance level to mediate the need for said organizations to maintain their supplies, does not necessarily detract from the common market, especially if one factirs in the contract system. A Alliance or Corp market only means that in the end the tedium of setting up contracts at the alliance and corp level is eliminated.
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Coreden
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Posted - 2007.12.13 16:00:00 -
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/bump
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Yoinx
Caldari
JET FORCE
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Posted - 2007.12.13 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Yoinx on 13/12/2007 16:13:45
This seems like a really good idea.
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Yuri Mengeroth
Minmatar
Very Bad Things
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Posted - 2007.12.16 02:28:00 -
[95]
Most excellent idea! /Signed |
Coreden
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Posted - 2007.12.17 01:43:00 -
[96]
/bump
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.12.17 03:13:00 -
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Hm.. I really wonder where the problem for CCP is to implement one more flag to the market orders, so it can be used. I mean.. how old is this idea? 9 months now? Surely more often posted by others before that date..
But since that time we got Heat, we got Scripts and we got Drone-Bandwith - unasked for. I'm not a big programmer, but I sure as hell would bet 100M isk that those gimmicks needed more than one flag on some data entry in a database.. 
Well, back on topic.
What I miss by this system is some kind of price-check availability (just-in-time price check) or seen from the producers point of view.. a catalouge-function without the need to put up one of this items in the internal market. It also misses some decentralized production capacity allocation funtion.. nevertheless it's so signed by me!
Well, think of a smaller corp with 40+ members, an industrial wing of 3-4 producers and an internal market volume of 1 BS, 2 BC, 5 Cruiser and several other stuff per week.
As a member I would like to be able to:
- want to know the price of the corp producers for an item (igmail, chat)
- place an buy order for an item with an OPEN price tag (ugh?!)
- want to support my corp by buying from them or selling to them (hm.. contracts/direct trade/corp hangar buying.. well)
As a producer I would like to:
- answer on price questions without the need to place a sell order (igmail, chat)
- fill a buy order with a price I SET (huh?!)
- place bulk-orders fillable by corp members, like minerals and co (what?!)
At the moment I really miss some bounce/feedback system where the information is uncluttered visible to all within a group and can be altered. I described that in more detail in another thread, but here it is again:
Quote:
Problem:
Corp has an industry-wing which produces stuff for it's members. But how to coordinate this ant-hill with as small as possible recources?
Philosophy:
Decentral decision making for the win.
Easy Solution #1:
Use an ingame mail to a maillinglist for orders, which is sent GLOBALLY and then have one producer with free capacity take the job by removing the order from the order-maillist and let him sent a job-taken-answer to the list.
So to avoid clutter it would need from my point of view:
Ability for moderators to remove/change mails of other people in this list GLOBALLY (for all other users of this mailinglist).
I-can-think-of-Solution #2:
Contracts. WTB-contract for wanted item is set up to Corp with an open-price-tag, which can be filled by the possible contract-taker, aka a producer of the corp. If the price is ok for the buyer he can push the contract back to the producer and give the job the go.
If he don't likes the price he can skip the contract, but has used the tool for price-check.
This would need:
An advanced WTB-contract-type with answer-possibility/bounce-functionality/price-changing.
I-can-think-of-Solution #3:
Corp-internal-market with orders, that are only visible within the corp.. But here I can't think of any good/easy solution for getting the price information beforehand into the system without placing a sell-order WITH said item (very bad recource use). Well, just posted it as freaky idea :)
Ok. Solution #2 is my favorite and would allow usage far beyound the problem I had in mind. Also CCP said, they would add more features to the contract system..
All in all I somehow think CCP really failed at the task, to provide us with information/managing-tools within our own conclomerates/groups.
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Buehler
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:11:00 -
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I think the private market is a great thing and should make it into the game. For some one like me who does not want to find the highest buy order, or travel to amarr space to sell of those laser's. I can sell the items to other members who will take the time to find out where to sell the Items, and bring more team work into the alliance/corp. As the market stands there are people who will buy one round of ammo to make sure they are not buying from the wrong alliance/corp. The whole contract system you can put itmes in there some do not want to buy.
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:02:00 -
[99]
on top again  |
Coreden
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Posted - 2007.12.20 02:45:00 -
[100]
/bump
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:11:00 -
[101]
i feel like bumping today |
NightKhaos
Gallente
Seridian Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.23 00:30:00 -
[102]
/signed
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Coreden
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Posted - 2007.12.24 12:18:00 -
[103]
/bump
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.12.26 21:40:00 -
[104]
I will bump thid until it is implemented.
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Coreden
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Posted - 2008.01.05 17:19:00 -
[105]
/bump
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Morcam
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Posted - 2008.01.05 22:56:00 -
[106]
I see no problems with this, so why not? (Actually, if this were put in, I might think the devs read these forums! :P)
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Freezehunter
Gallente
ECP Rogues
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.06 02:54:00 -
[107]
/signed
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Coreden
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Posted - 2008.01.07 11:15:00 -
[108]
/bump
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.02 12:28:00 -
[109]
on top again |
Rudarstilski
Alija Sirotanovich Mining Ops
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Posted - 2008.04.02 12:30:00 -
[110]
\signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated
The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.04.02 12:37:00 -
[111]
/signed
The Great Game System Shock 2 and Mining, Hacking and Archeology |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated
The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.04.22 11:08:00 -
[112]
/bump |
Amarria Drezine
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Posted - 2008.04.22 21:54:00 -
[113]
/signed
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