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Reah	Posted - 2003.12.24 03:10:00 - [31] nice story etc seems pretty acurate and stuff neway, i could be wrong, but dident FA help quite a bit in the NVA vs NA war?
Reah Caldari	Posted - 2003.12.24 03:10:00 - [32] nice story etc seems pretty acurate and stuff neway, i could be wrong, but dident FA help quite a bit in the NVA vs NA war?
Femme Fatal	Posted - 2003.12.24 03:30:00 - [33] Just like I predicted their escape into Venal, I forsaw their running back into empire space once we followed. Run Roark Run. Nice writeup Pieman
Femme Fatal Going Limp	Posted - 2003.12.24 03:30:00 - [34] Just like I predicted their escape into Venal, I forsaw their running back into empire space once we followed. Run Roark Run. Nice writeup Pieman
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.12.24 04:53:00 - [35] Venal ... who ........... chased them .... beat them and got the tee shirt ..... Mongo speaks !!
Mongo Peck Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2003.12.24 04:53:00 - [36] Venal ... who ........... chased them .... beat them and got the tee shirt ..... Mongo speaks !!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.12.24 05:22:00 - [37] I think you meant "beat" as in "beat ... a hasty retreat" mongo. I remember the scenites petitioning for mercy at the close of the civil war. Silly of us to grant it with the benefit of hindsight, but hey, these things happen eh? Love and peace JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2003.12.24 05:22:00 - [38] I think you meant "beat" as in "beat ... a hasty retreat" mongo. I remember the scenites petitioning for mercy at the close of the civil war. Silly of us to grant it with the benefit of hindsight, but hey, these things happen eh? Love and peace JF Public Forum
Li ShangYin	Posted - 2003.12.24 07:01:00 - [39] Quote: Pieman, Li ShangYin is one of the ex-taggart "intelligensia" (sic) that refused to wake up and smell the quafe at the close of the venal civil war. As a result, historical revisionism and hokey political analysis has become his forte. Doubtless he has convinced himself that "iron duke" Ragnar, was leading 20 battleship taggart defense armadas against Evolution at H-PA29 every night for a month before being betrayed by the oily VA council (or some such rot). Ah, but you are thus mistaken, I know fairly well how large the TTI military was at any given time, and even what they were doing. TTI never was afterall a military might, we were simply businessmen. As such ISK is and was what we were making, which brings us to you asking for more support. Ragnar denied it, as you are well aware of, and for a simple reason. He so no legitimate basis for the council to begin with, nor did he see any point in why minor corps such as Jericho should have equal powers in such a council, if at the same time the larger corps would be providing monetary and military support based on their size. Either everyone provides equal support and has equal voting power or voting power is decided based on size and support provided through logistics and financial deals and aids, simple thinking really. As for Sun's analysis, while you may not like it it does get to the point, you tried to vote out both military and monetary powers from your side, while being on the beating end of a war of agression. Those same military pirates that you were kicking out then are still at war with you are they not? ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.
Li ShangYin Chung Kuo	Posted - 2003.12.24 07:01:00 - [40] Quote: Pieman, Li ShangYin is one of the ex-taggart "intelligensia" (sic) that refused to wake up and smell the quafe at the close of the venal civil war. As a result, historical revisionism and hokey political analysis has become his forte. Doubtless he has convinced himself that "iron duke" Ragnar, was leading 20 battleship taggart defense armadas against Evolution at H-PA29 every night for a month before being betrayed by the oily VA council (or some such rot). Ah, but you are thus mistaken, I know fairly well how large the TTI military was at any given time, and even what they were doing. TTI never was afterall a military might, we were simply businessmen. As such ISK is and was what we were making, which brings us to you asking for more support. Ragnar denied it, as you are well aware of, and for a simple reason. He so no legitimate basis for the council to begin with, nor did he see any point in why minor corps such as Jericho should have equal powers in such a council, if at the same time the larger corps would be providing monetary and military support based on their size. Either everyone provides equal support and has equal voting power or voting power is decided based on size and support provided through logistics and financial deals and aids, simple thinking really. As for Sun's analysis, while you may not like it it does get to the point, you tried to vote out both military and monetary powers from your side, while being on the beating end of a war of agression. Those same military pirates that you were kicking out then are still at war with you are they not? ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2003.12.24 10:08:00 - [41] It's a biased view, but i'm sure with your third hand information it's how you saw it. TTI not lending enough support? Ok let me list for you the main pilots (and if i miss someone i am truly sorry, not a fantastic memory) that fought for the side of the Venal Alliance during the fight with Evolution and certain FA corps. Qball - Cyberdine The Wrench - Cyberdine Tehel Necrona (:D) - TTI GunnyP - TTI MArkA - TTI Tigge - TTI th3 pr34ch3r - Occussa 2 - 3 other Ocussa pilots - do not recall names i am truly sorry. Mastema - Space Invaders Adnreas Pendrom Members - say 3 (possibly more and yet again i cannot remember names) Roark - TTI Ragnar - TTI (same person as Roark) Indigo - Space Invaders Activor Fraust- TTI Renox - TTI KIA Corp - 5-10 - they were their that i can admit - i fully respected you guys before your distinct lack of memory came about. These were re-occuring members in the fight, i know i have missed others from both TTI and other corps. Please note NO JERICO bar Athule who was involved in two engagements out of about 15. TTI not commiting enough? I'm insulted. Oh and also how dare you indicate the NVA fought off the Northern Alliance - i seem to recall evolution being the ones defeating us and m3g4 on the key engagements. Killing merckilers Raven then Scorp 2nights in a row. The huge fight were ragnar got accused of running at the gate in Y-4 - although it was a tactical move, seeing as the entire evolution fleet was targeting him. Good victories for evolution that i can admit and that i will - but i will not condone you claiming glory, portraying yourselves as heroes when it was those with a shared interest that did it all for you. Your view is biased and i am sorry if i come across angry - but from where i am standing history have been re-wrote by those that were friends with the only victors in that conflict (Evolution). Oh and Jade - before you hit off with 20 lines about how i'm a bitter old hasbeen and that i am highyl dillusional - i didn't bring this up. I'm merley defending my friends and their integrity. You seem to be quick to put me down when i have my say, or others for that matter, but you constantly overlook who's bringing up these debates the majority of the time. Sorry if i wasn't polite. Necro Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2003.12.24 10:08:00 - [42] It's a biased view, but i'm sure with your third hand information it's how you saw it. TTI not lending enough support? Ok let me list for you the main pilots (and if i miss someone i am truly sorry, not a fantastic memory) that fought for the side of the Venal Alliance during the fight with Evolution and certain FA corps. Qball - Cyberdine The Wrench - Cyberdine Tehel Necrona (:D) - TTI GunnyP - TTI MArkA - TTI Tigge - TTI th3 pr34ch3r - Occussa 2 - 3 other Ocussa pilots - do not recall names i am truly sorry. Mastema - Space Invaders Adnreas Pendrom Members - say 3 (possibly more and yet again i cannot remember names) Roark - TTI Ragnar - TTI (same person as Roark) Indigo - Space Invaders Activor Fraust- TTI Renox - TTI KIA Corp - 5-10 - they were their that i can admit - i fully respected you guys before your distinct lack of memory came about. These were re-occuring members in the fight, i know i have missed others from both TTI and other corps. Please note NO JERICO bar Athule who was involved in two engagements out of about 15. TTI not commiting enough? I'm insulted. Oh and also how dare you indicate the NVA fought off the Northern Alliance - i seem to recall evolution being the ones defeating us and m3g4 on the key engagements. Killing merckilers Raven then Scorp 2nights in a row. The huge fight were ragnar got accused of running at the gate in Y-4 - although it was a tactical move, seeing as the entire evolution fleet was targeting him. Good victories for evolution that i can admit and that i will - but i will not condone you claiming glory, portraying yourselves as heroes when it was those with a shared interest that did it all for you. Your view is biased and i am sorry if i come across angry - but from where i am standing history have been re-wrote by those that were friends with the only victors in that conflict (Evolution). Oh and Jade - before you hit off with 20 lines about how i'm a bitter old hasbeen and that i am highyl dillusional - i didn't bring this up. I'm merley defending my friends and their integrity. You seem to be quick to put me down when i have my say, or others for that matter, but you constantly overlook who's bringing up these debates the majority of the time. Sorry if i wasn't polite. Necro Reverend Necrona
Nasty Ways	Posted - 2003.12.24 10:53:00 - [43] you can remember 7 fighters (including ragnar - lol) out of... what? 200+ members TTI had at this time? omg the ownage! --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ?
Nasty Ways Caldari	Posted - 2003.12.24 10:53:00 - [44] you can remember 7 fighters (including ragnar - lol) out of... what? 200+ members TTI had at this time? omg the ownage! --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ?
Anla Shok	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:08:00 - [45] necro, go into a corner and be ashamed... you forgot me, your old commander.. nasty, you know very well about the military strength of TTI at that time. even though we were not a military corp and the membercount was somewhat misleading we were able to bring more ships into the battles than the other corps there. (no offense guys). just not many had PvP experience.. and there was also this illusion that things can be solved in some big battle when the tactics were actually much different..
Anla Shok Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:08:00 - [46] necro, go into a corner and be ashamed... you forgot me, your old commander.. nasty, you know very well about the military strength of TTI at that time. even though we were not a military corp and the membercount was somewhat misleading we were able to bring more ships into the battles than the other corps there. (no offense guys). just not many had PvP experience.. and there was also this illusion that things can be solved in some big battle when the tactics were actually much different..
Revolution	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:20:00 - [47] Why hello there
Revolution Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:20:00 - [48] Why hello there
SirMolle	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:28:00 - [49] Proper cronology; 1. EVOL goes into Venal, scouting, gets attacked and told to leave by Venal Guardians. Evol stays and kills a few. TTI, and more specifically, Ragnar offers us to help kill Venal people. 2. EVOL finds what it is looking for; TTI. Here follows a 2 day delay period where we keep killing TTI, and whenever their officers approach us, we simply respond with "Thx, will look into it" 3. TTI seeks refuge with VA, as it understands we are shooting TTI ships, some battle occur. 4. Evolution goes off to Fountain with a few friends, here starts the FA story. 5. Evolution goes off up to Venal again to locate and kill TTI after we learn of the mercenary contracs on EVOL and FA. 6. Battles, battles, battles, VA is suffering, TTI is hiding. 7. More FA corps come up to fight alongside EVOL, namely; Xanady, CNXI, CoC, BladeRunners, and a few scattered pilots. 8. Some major fleet battles occur, VA takes the plunge in most of these. 9. Art Dillingja of FA, offers VA a opportunity to get out of the war; Expell TTI, SPVD (and some others piratical ones whom i cant remember), and FA will call off the war and help rebuild VA to NVA. 10. VA goes to meeting with the offers, the vote happens, which TTI "wins". 11. Ragnar shoots himself in the head by declaring the vote null and void and setting bounty on the naysayers. 12. All of VA goes against TTI, FA forms up with the now NVA to kill TTI. 13. TTI hires Scenites and m3g4 to aid in the fights. 14. Battles, battles, battles. NVA gains ground and numbers. 15. Ragnar flees and TTI "dies" 16. M4G4 is robbed by former members and M3G4 surrenders. 17. NVA stands as victor. Enjoy.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:28:00 - [50] Proper cronology; 1. EVOL goes into Venal, scouting, gets attacked and told to leave by Venal Guardians. Evol stays and kills a few. TTI, and more specifically, Ragnar offers us to help kill Venal people. 2. EVOL finds what it is looking for; TTI. Here follows a 2 day delay period where we keep killing TTI, and whenever their officers approach us, we simply respond with "Thx, will look into it" 3. TTI seeks refuge with VA, as it understands we are shooting TTI ships, some battle occur. 4. Evolution goes off to Fountain with a few friends, here starts the FA story. 5. Evolution goes off up to Venal again to locate and kill TTI after we learn of the mercenary contracs on EVOL and FA. 6. Battles, battles, battles, VA is suffering, TTI is hiding. 7. More FA corps come up to fight alongside EVOL, namely; Xanady, CNXI, CoC, BladeRunners, and a few scattered pilots. 8. Some major fleet battles occur, VA takes the plunge in most of these. 9. Art Dillingja of FA, offers VA a opportunity to get out of the war; Expell TTI, SPVD (and some others piratical ones whom i cant remember), and FA will call off the war and help rebuild VA to NVA. 10. VA goes to meeting with the offers, the vote happens, which TTI "wins". 11. Ragnar shoots himself in the head by declaring the vote null and void and setting bounty on the naysayers. 12. All of VA goes against TTI, FA forms up with the now NVA to kill TTI. 13. TTI hires Scenites and m3g4 to aid in the fights. 14. Battles, battles, battles. NVA gains ground and numbers. 15. Ragnar flees and TTI "dies" 16. M4G4 is robbed by former members and M3G4 surrenders. 17. NVA stands as victor. Enjoy.
Rebellion	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:38:00 - [51] We didn't give VA the chance to kick TTI out in order to divide and conquer. We went to Venal to fight TTI in the first place. But then it seemed that we had been fighting most everyone except TTI. We always told the other Venal corps that they were not the target, but if they stood between us and TTI, they would be attacked. Similar situation to what we have in Curse actually, except that the corps in Venal were reasonable and made the right decisions. Because of their capability to judge situations the VA is now a prosperous and proud alliance who do not despair of occasional defeats and instead persevere amid challenges. TTI under their old leadership would have made you pawns with all of the sacrifices and none of the glory. The account is accurate. Too short though :p Things like these are great as they make everyone remember the old decisions we had to make. I wish I will have the chance to write some accounts of my own about what we've encountered before I start forgetting details. I'd think we'd have many stories to tell.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:38:00 - [52] We didn't give VA the chance to kick TTI out in order to divide and conquer. We went to Venal to fight TTI in the first place. But then it seemed that we had been fighting most everyone except TTI. We always told the other Venal corps that they were not the target, but if they stood between us and TTI, they would be attacked. Similar situation to what we have in Curse actually, except that the corps in Venal were reasonable and made the right decisions. Because of their capability to judge situations the VA is now a prosperous and proud alliance who do not despair of occasional defeats and instead persevere amid challenges. TTI under their old leadership would have made you pawns with all of the sacrifices and none of the glory. The account is accurate. Too short though :p Things like these are great as they make everyone remember the old decisions we had to make. I wish I will have the chance to write some accounts of my own about what we've encountered before I start forgetting details. I'd think we'd have many stories to tell.
Nasty Ways	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:47:00 - [53] Quote: nasty, you know very well about the military strength of TTI at that time. even though we were not a military corp and the membercount was somewhat misleading we were able to bring more ships into the battles than the other corps there. (no offense guys). just not many had PvP experience.. and there was also this illusion that things can be solved in some big battle when the tactics were actually much different.. sorry, can't keep myself when someone is waving the TTI-flag in front of my nose... i'm so predictable... --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ?
Nasty Ways Caldari	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:47:00 - [54] Quote: nasty, you know very well about the military strength of TTI at that time. even though we were not a military corp and the membercount was somewhat misleading we were able to bring more ships into the battles than the other corps there. (no offense guys). just not many had PvP experience.. and there was also this illusion that things can be solved in some big battle when the tactics were actually much different.. sorry, can't keep myself when someone is waving the TTI-flag in front of my nose... i'm so predictable... --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ?
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2003.12.24 12:03:00 - [55] Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 24/12/2003 12:06:25 Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 24/12/2003 12:05:11 Quote: We didn't give VA the chance to kick TTI out in order to divide and conquer. We went to Venal to fight TTI in the first place. But then it seemed that we had been fighting most everyone except TTI. We always told the other Venal corps that they were not the target, but if they stood between us and TTI, they would be attacked. Similar situation to what we have in Curse actually, except that the corps in Venal were reasonable and made the right decisions. Because of their capability to judge situations the VA is now a prosperous and proud alliance who do not despair of occasional defeats and instead persevere amid challenges. TTI under their old leadership would have made you pawns with all of the sacrifices and none of the glory. That is a load of rubbish. Complete and utter twist of TTI's morals. Also we were involved in a lot of engagements, so this crap about us hiding while the VA fights our battles is totally unfounded and i'd love to see you back that claim up further.. Admitedly they were allies but for christ sake don't give me that sh1t. It's an insult. out right Necro P.S sorry Anla :p and i had forgot Tolstoy as well come to think of it. :/ Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2003.12.24 12:03:00 - [56] Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 24/12/2003 12:06:25 Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 24/12/2003 12:05:11 Quote: We didn't give VA the chance to kick TTI out in order to divide and conquer. We went to Venal to fight TTI in the first place. But then it seemed that we had been fighting most everyone except TTI. We always told the other Venal corps that they were not the target, but if they stood between us and TTI, they would be attacked. Similar situation to what we have in Curse actually, except that the corps in Venal were reasonable and made the right decisions. Because of their capability to judge situations the VA is now a prosperous and proud alliance who do not despair of occasional defeats and instead persevere amid challenges. TTI under their old leadership would have made you pawns with all of the sacrifices and none of the glory. That is a load of rubbish. Complete and utter twist of TTI's morals. Also we were involved in a lot of engagements, so this crap about us hiding while the VA fights our battles is totally unfounded and i'd love to see you back that claim up further.. Admitedly they were allies but for christ sake don't give me that sh1t. It's an insult. out right Necro P.S sorry Anla :p and i had forgot Tolstoy as well come to think of it. :/ Reverend Necrona
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.12.24 13:26:00 - [57] Pieman you n00b people are just going to flame each other over your hard work. Good job anyway, Merry Christmas to you and all the KIA guys. PS Tell InkZ it's time to go gank Indys in Amsen again.
Maud Dib Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2003.12.24 13:26:00 - [58] Pieman you n00b people are just going to flame each other over your hard work. Good job anyway, Merry Christmas to you and all the KIA guys. PS Tell InkZ it's time to go gank Indys in Amsen again.
Jacob Molari	Posted - 2003.12.24 14:03:00 - [59] One side note. As far as Smoked getting betrayed, it was the other way around. I wasn't in the game at the time, however, I was watching my good friend Techie Zero play, and was fully aware of what was happening in game. Smoked had been caught selling stuff on e-bay, rares and isk belonging to the corp. He had been warned to never do it again. A sting was set up, and sure enough, smoked bit and sold more stuff on e-bay, this time to a corp member. So, just about everyone in M3G4 decided that Smoked had to go, but what could they do? M3G4 was his corp. In a brilliant move, Biomass was formed, and the corp hangers looted before Smoked could either sell or destroy the goods. So, Bio went its own way, and M3G4 went down to 4 members. I joined Bio shortly after that... Ya gotta love all the drama!
Jacob Molari Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2003.12.24 14:03:00 - [60] One side note. As far as Smoked getting betrayed, it was the other way around. I wasn't in the game at the time, however, I was watching my good friend Techie Zero play, and was fully aware of what was happening in game. Smoked had been caught selling stuff on e-bay, rares and isk belonging to the corp. He had been warned to never do it again. A sting was set up, and sure enough, smoked bit and sold more stuff on e-bay, this time to a corp member. So, just about everyone in M3G4 decided that Smoked had to go, but what could they do? M3G4 was his corp. In a brilliant move, Biomass was formed, and the corp hangers looted before Smoked could either sell or destroy the goods. So, Bio went its own way, and M3G4 went down to 4 members. I joined Bio shortly after that... Ya gotta love all the drama!

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