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nistro666
Bald Man industries
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40
To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it.
We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story.
I hear they lost up to 50 capital ships whilst bob lost none atall, that doesn't seem like a victory to me, especially if there was no titan in building, even if there was, bob still come out on top in terms of isk vs losses. However you could say a 3rd titan would have been a nice little extra advantage for BoB so that's the only thing that really could make the loss of 50 capital ships even slightly worthwhile.
The coalition stacked their chances of achieving victory to 100% by using as many dreads as they did.
I am seeing some people claim that BoB didn't want the pos to die, so there must have been something good inside building? How do you know this? If i can figure out that keeping the pos alive is impossible against such a large number of Dreadnoughts, then i'm sure the minds behind BoB figured it out aswell. They took full advantage of the situation and caused as much damage as they could, the largest number of capitals ever destroyed in a single fight in the history of EVE, by far.
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Evelyn Lavi
Independent Fleet
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 -
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Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah.
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nistro666
Bald Man industries
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah.
Just because i think BoB came out on top does not mean i am not neutral.
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Lunas Feelgood
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 -
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Yes I agree you seem very neutral
Keep up the good work. We need more people like you making good neutral post like this..
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Evelyn Lavi
Independent Fleet
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:46:00 -
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Background check on "bald man industries" someone?
It may very well be an opinion from an uninvolved party, but it really does reek of a BoB party line.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:46:00 -
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To be honest, I¦m gettin f*in anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there...
So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer 
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests
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Suik
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:51:00 -
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We didnt want to win anyway, we just wanted to have fun... losing 50 dreads, that was fun mmmmm.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:55:00 -
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yay im in a "neutral observer's" bob thread \o/
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:57:00 -
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As a TRUE neutral to this whole thing, let me give a legitimate view from that perspective.
My thoughts, in general order.
-Big fight? Aw crap, going to be a laggy night.
-Yay, another week of "CCP Whiney Lag Lag" threads on the forums.
-Wow, that's a lot of isk blown up.
-Who drank all my pepsi?
-Hey look, this Gurista dropped a Modal.
-Time to log off, just another normal night for me.
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Gidien Kane
Amarr
OneHundredRed
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:58:00 -
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I agree with a few points the OP made. He underestimates the work that goes into an op like yesterdays which showed that the coalition can work together and THAT was a victory on it's own.
Loosing 40+ caps is not a victory or fun, stop trying to justify it. There was a lot of good ground gained yesterday just not in the battlefield. They key word would have to be sustainment.
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Glitch 10240
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:59:00 -
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45 dreads according to bob kb, the thing you are not seeing here is, sure its alot of dreads, but dreads can be manufactured in stations, and titans cannot. Its the time not the isk, those dreads will be replaced, think how long it takes to move all the minerals, not to mention build the components and then 8 weeks for the titan itself, a lot of time lost. In my opinion it shows bob can be killed, and just what they are up against in this war, even if it is early in the way.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah.
so, he doesnt side with the "surprise sex train havnt brakes" thus he is not neutral, seems to be your pov.
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Aeleva
Caldari
Hegemonic Core
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:00:00 -
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just a point, bob already have 3 titans if one HAD been in production it would have been their 4th.
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:01:00 -
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The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T.
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SpaceMonkey
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:03:00 -
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Neutral.Yeah.The sneaky one man type industry corp posting is getting a little lame guys.Also seems this toon is tied to Confederation of the red moon... nice one.lol
I love these bob coalition alts.NEXT neutral post plz.
FFS these forums
monkay
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Fornacis
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:06:00 -
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So tell my alt boy...how many alliances/corps in this game have crumbled because of isk problems? Its all about morale/mindset/will.
Coalition kicked the door in on the place with one goal in mind...kill the POS giving birth to a Titan.
Mission accomplished. What else is there to say?
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 30/03/2007 19:03:10
Originally by: Phelan Lore
The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T.
Not to sound too flamey, but I've read this argument too many times, believe it or not bob+friends also employ support fleets, and they were also able to jump at a moments notice into f-te via gates or titans themselves. CCP basically said no support for either side, cause who knows, maybe more coalition dreads would've died if all the support were thrown into play...
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Frehley
To be honest, I¦m gettin f*in anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there...
So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer
So (From what i have read) jumping into a laggfested system, not being able to do anyhthing for 30mins and then staring at a login screen for ages is your idea of fun O_o?
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T.
1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs
2ndly: d-3 is 2j away from F-T. and we were sitting in K-6. the system between d-3 and f-t.
Regards
c0rn1
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Mariko San
Saints Surrounded
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Phelan Lore
The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T.
1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs
And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs?
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Nicocat
Caldari
NASA Navy
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:19:00 -
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I'm neutral in this battle (noone's paid me enough to personally give a flying fornication about either side), and I think the coalition made a mistake. Why jump in and attack a baby titan? Why not jump in and kill the three (or more) working ones? With that kind of firepower they mustered to take down a POS that Bobbits were repping the whole time, I imagine they could have plastered a titan, or at least some motherships and opposing dreads.
But at the moment, I'm playing C&C3 and not caring about EVE in the slightest, just been getting my worktime reading in ;)
Originally by: Splagada
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Glitch 10240
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat
I'm neutral in this battle (noone's paid me enough to personally give a flying fornication about either side), and I think the coalition made a mistake. Why jump in and attack a baby titan? Why not jump in and kill the three (or more) working ones? With that kind of firepower they mustered to take down a POS that Bobbits were repping the whole time, I imagine they could have plastered a titan, or at least some motherships and opposing dreads.
But at the moment, I'm playing C&C3 and not caring about EVE in the slightest, just been getting my worktime reading in ;)
i can only imagine how hard it would be to get bob in a position of attacking their titan
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: c0rn1 on 30/03/2007 19:21:03
Originally by: Mariko San
And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular
hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs?
Even our corp knew it all the time and I can ensure you, no dev/gm onboard =)
regards
c0rn1
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:24:00 -
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Perhaps in revenue and actual ISK lost per side, it could be considered in BoB's favor. Although no one will really know just how many mods/ships were lost that day. But what I think made it a victory for the coalition was that they set out to destroy a peice of BoB's empire and they did so relentlessly.
Sir Molle made a small and to-the-point post which was an obvious flaunt of their power. That power was all for naught as the POS was destroyed anyway.
I suppose the victory is really in the eye of the beholder here.
The major bummer that really seperates any worthy outcome of the actual fight was deterred by the glaring fact of CCP's lack of technology to keep up with the epic sized battles we can delpoy as players. Not a poke at them, but seriously, they need to step things up if they want to keep players.
It's come to a point where tactics are not developed around skill and assets, but rather around how many people you can fit on a node before it crashes. In my mind, that is just a sad state of war.
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:25:00 -
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Nistro666, CEO and founder.
Used to be in Watching Eyeball of Invasion - Founder of that is Nistro.
The Nistro character is now in Murder of Crows, Enigma alliance.
The current CEO of Watching Eyeball of Invasion has switched between Murder of Crows and Watching Eyeball a couple of times.
So...
Watching Eyeball of Invasion and Bald Man Industries are alt corps. Nistro666 is an alt. And it would appear Nistro is the main.
But who are Enigma?
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:25:00 -
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You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers
Simply? You know even LOADING GRID is not as simple as it sounds, when you're talking about that many people/ships in the system, let alone the drones, guns and whatnot. Considering that hundreds of people didn't even see the actual fight due to not being able to log in, 'simple' just doesn't apply in this situation.
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Zafon
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mariko San
And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs?
Seriously, if you think the deck is that stacked against you why do you bother even playing?
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GLok
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:28:00 -
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Oh this is great.
They return.
CAOD realy wasnt much without the alts 
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Pat Metheny
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Siege
As a TRUE neutral to this whole thing, let me give a legitimate view from that perspective.
My thoughts, in general order.
-Big fight? Aw crap, going to be a laggy night.
-Yay, another week of "CCP Whiney Lag Lag" threads on the forums.
-Wow, that's a lot of isk blown up.
-Who drank all my pepsi?
-Hey look, this Gurista dropped a Modal.
-Time to log off, just another normal night for me.
/sign
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:33:00 -
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As a neutral hobo i can only say...
GIFE MORE BINS NEED MINS FOR BUILDING MORE DREADS FOR THE MARKET!
 
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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