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nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:42:00 - [1] Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. I hear they lost up to 50 capital ships whilst bob lost none atall, that doesn't seem like a victory to me, especially if there was no titan in building, even if there was, bob still come out on top in terms of isk vs losses. However you could say a 3rd titan would have been a nice little extra advantage for BoB so that's the only thing that really could make the loss of 50 capital ships even slightly worthwhile. The coalition stacked their chances of achieving victory to 100% by using as many dreads as they did. I am seeing some people claim that BoB didn't want the pos to die, so there must have been something good inside building? How do you know this? If i can figure out that keeping the pos alive is impossible against such a large number of Dreadnoughts, then i'm sure the minds behind BoB figured it out aswell. They took full advantage of the situation and caused as much damage as they could, the largest number of capitals ever destroyed in a single fight in the history of EVE, by far.
Evelyn Lavi Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 - [2] Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah.
nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah. Just because i think BoB came out on top does not mean i am not neutral.
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 - [4] Yes I agree you seem very neutral Keep up the good work. We need more people like you making good neutral post like this.. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo
Evelyn Lavi Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:46:00 - [5] Background check on "bald man industries" someone? It may very well be an opinion from an uninvolved party, but it really does reek of a BoB party line.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:46:00 - [6] To be honest, I¦m gettin f*in anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes
Suik	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:51:00 - [7] We didnt want to win anyway, we just wanted to have fun... losing 50 dreads, that was fun mmmmm.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:55:00 - [8] yay im in a "neutral observer's" bob thread \o/ Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:57:00 - [9] As a TRUE neutral to this whole thing, let me give a legitimate view from that perspective. My thoughts, in general order. -Big fight? Aw crap, going to be a laggy night. -Yay, another week of "CCP Whiney Lag Lag" threads on the forums. -Wow, that's a lot of isk blown up. -Who drank all my pepsi? -Hey look, this Gurista dropped a Modal. -Time to log off, just another normal night for me.
Gidien Kane Amarr OneHundredRed	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:58:00 - [10] I agree with a few points the OP made. He underestimates the work that goes into an op like yesterdays which showed that the coalition can work together and THAT was a victory on it's own. Loosing 40+ caps is not a victory or fun, stop trying to justify it. There was a lot of good ground gained yesterday just not in the battlefield. They key word would have to be sustainment. GK- archive + The CCP Jobs Page has been updated, over 100 new positions are available! (some not taken by bob)
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:59:00 - [11] 45 dreads according to bob kb, the thing you are not seeing here is, sure its alot of dreads, but dreads can be manufactured in stations, and titans cannot. Its the time not the isk, those dreads will be replaced, think how long it takes to move all the minerals, not to mention build the components and then 8 weeks for the titan itself, a lot of time lost. In my opinion it shows bob can be killed, and just what they are up against in this war, even if it is early in the way.
Karrimdra FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah. so, he doesnt side with the "surprise sex train havnt brakes" thus he is not neutral, seems to be your pov. From nothing to something in just one corp! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:00:00 - [13] just a point, bob already have 3 titans if one HAD been in production it would have been their 4th.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:01:00 - [14] The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. -
SpaceMonkey Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:03:00 - [15] Neutral.Yeah.The sneaky one man type industry corp posting is getting a little lame guys.Also seems this toon is tied to Confederation of the red moon... nice one.lol I love these bob coalition alts.NEXT neutral post plz. FFS these forums monkay
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:06:00 - [16] So tell my alt boy...how many alliances/corps in this game have crumbled because of isk problems? Its all about morale/mindset/will. Coalition kicked the door in on the place with one goal in mind...kill the POS giving birth to a Titan. Mission accomplished. What else is there to say?
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:06:00 - [17] Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 30/03/2007 19:03:10 Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. Not to sound too flamey, but I've read this argument too many times, believe it or not bob+friends also employ support fleets, and they were also able to jump at a moments notice into f-te via gates or titans themselves. CCP basically said no support for either side, cause who knows, maybe more coalition dreads would've died if all the support were thrown into play...
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin fin anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer So (From what i have read) jumping into a laggfested system, not being able to do anyhthing for 30mins and then staring at a login screen for ages is your idea of fun O_o? ----------------------------------------------- My sig got nerf'd again :( this time by Valorem.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. 1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs 2ndly: d-3 is 2j away from F-T. and we were sitting in K-6. the system between d-3 and f-t. Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:17:00 - [20] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. 1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs?
Nicocat Caldari NASA Navy New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:19:00 - [21] I'm neutral in this battle (noone's paid me enough to personally give a flying fornication about either side), and I think the coalition made a mistake. Why jump in and attack a baby titan? Why not jump in and kill the three (or more) working ones? With that kind of firepower they mustered to take down a POS that Bobbits were repping the whole time, I imagine they could have plastered a titan, or at least some motherships and opposing dreads. But at the moment, I'm playing C&C3 and not caring about EVE in the slightest, just been getting my worktime reading in ;) Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Nicocat I'm neutral in this battle (noone's paid me enough to personally give a flying fornication about either side), and I think the coalition made a mistake. Why jump in and attack a baby titan? Why not jump in and kill the three (or more) working ones? With that kind of firepower they mustered to take down a POS that Bobbits were repping the whole time, I imagine they could have plastered a titan, or at least some motherships and opposing dreads. But at the moment, I'm playing C&C3 and not caring about EVE in the slightest, just been getting my worktime reading in ;) i can only imagine how hard it would be to get bob in a position of attacking their titan
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:22:00 - [23] Edited by: c0rn1 on 30/03/2007 19:21:03 Originally by: Mariko San And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs? Even our corp knew it all the time and I can ensure you, no dev/gm onboard =) regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:24:00 - [24] Perhaps in revenue and actual ISK lost per side, it could be considered in BoB's favor. Although no one will really know just how many mods/ships were lost that day. But what I think made it a victory for the coalition was that they set out to destroy a peice of BoB's empire and they did so relentlessly. Sir Molle made a small and to-the-point post which was an obvious flaunt of their power. That power was all for naught as the POS was destroyed anyway. I suppose the victory is really in the eye of the beholder here. The major bummer that really seperates any worthy outcome of the actual fight was deterred by the glaring fact of CCP's lack of technology to keep up with the epic sized battles we can delpoy as players. Not a poke at them, but seriously, they need to step things up if they want to keep players. It's come to a point where tactics are not developed around skill and assets, but rather around how many people you can fit on a node before it crashes. In my mind, that is just a sad state of war. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:25:00 - [25] Nistro666, CEO and founder. Used to be in Watching Eyeball of Invasion - Founder of that is Nistro. The Nistro character is now in Murder of Crows, Enigma alliance. The current CEO of Watching Eyeball of Invasion has switched between Murder of Crows and Watching Eyeball a couple of times. So... Watching Eyeball of Invasion and Bald Man Industries are alt corps. Nistro666 is an alt. And it would appear Nistro is the main. But who are Enigma? Galaxian Recruitment Info
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:25:00 - [26] Quote: You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers Simply? You know even LOADING GRID is not as simple as it sounds, when you're talking about that many people/ships in the system, let alone the drones, guns and whatnot. Considering that hundreds of people didn't even see the actual fight due to not being able to log in, 'simple' just doesn't apply in this situation. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Zafon Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Mariko San And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs? Seriously, if you think the deck is that stacked against you why do you bother even playing?
GLok Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:28:00 - [28] Oh this is great. They return. CAOD realy wasnt much without the alts -------------------- dailyhazard.
Pat Metheny	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Siege As a TRUE neutral to this whole thing, let me give a legitimate view from that perspective. My thoughts, in general order. -Big fight? Aw crap, going to be a laggy night. -Yay, another week of "CCP Whiney Lag Lag" threads on the forums. -Wow, that's a lot of isk blown up. -Who drank all my pepsi? -Hey look, this Gurista dropped a Modal. -Time to log off, just another normal night for me. /sign
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:33:00 - [30] As a neutral hobo i can only say... GIFE MORE BINS NEED MINS FOR BUILDING MORE DREADS FOR THE MARKET! Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:37:00 - [31] Originally by: nistro666 I'm a big ******* liar. 1) I'm an alt. 2) My main is fighting against the coalition 3) I'm about as neutral as Rupert Murdoch 4) Did I mention I'm a liar yet? Turns out that after a bit more investigation, this guys main is fighting against the coalition. So he's far from neutral. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:38:00 - [32] Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 19:34:59 Originally by: Stamm Originally by: nistro666 3) I'm about as neutral as Rupert Murdoch ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:43:00 - [33] Hehehe, "neutral"........ A better some up (from someone who wasn't actually there; this is just gathered from forum spam) might be: Dreadnoughts jump in and attack POS. BoB fleet jump in and attack the Dreadnoughts. 90% of the coalition fleet in support ships tries to jump in to pop BoB's capital fleet (pretty standard POS warfare tactics, really, just bigger) and are stopped by a 700 ship cap that no-one knew about. BoB clean up the undefended Dreads, but not before they manage to pop the POS. According to my mental mathematics, 50 dreads (insured) still comes to considerably less than a foetal Titan (uninsured). Victory? The coalition achieved it's goal, and BoB killed a lot of dreads. So everyones happy. Who showed the skill and talent and deserves merit, though? In your post you tell us that all the Coalition did was spam the system, while the heroic BoB skillfully blast them out of the sky (300 stylee). What I see, however, is that a small vulnerable section of the Coalition fleet was all that managed to get in, and BoB happily set about popping the undefended ships while the warfleet sat helplessly a few systems away. And they STILL managed to get their task done. So I would say the Coalition displayed the skill, and BoB are all lame. Well no, I wouldn't say that. BoB were very skilled, and battled against the odds. The Coalition was also very skilled, and battled against a whole different set of odds. Both sides did very well in the bizarre circumstances, and both achieved a victory by their own standards. So can we stop with all this brainless "X did awesome, Y are brainless stooges" stuff? --------
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. 1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs? Wow, I nominate thee for tin-foil poster-child of the month. What, did the bob-dev-haxploiters erase the RL memory of every non-member after the dev blog was put up? Did they also erase that part of your memory where common sense (and civility...) resides? If you want to beat on BoB because they got some BPO's (which were later removed) from someone on the development team please do, because that actually happened. The rest of this stuff just makes you look like you are coming up with silly excuses. Why do you need to make an excuse, the POS/shipyard is blown up, right? JP http://www.evereserve.com
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin fin anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer POS killing is as fun as eating your own leg. And IAC drinks the most beer. ------- Someone from MC peer-pressured me to smoke pot, now I'm cool. Everything* I say represents my corporation and their views.
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:47:00 - [36] From this neutral observers view I can't tell who won the battle, but it is quite clear to me that CCP lost.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:04:00 - [37] 36th post in a blatant alt thread. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:06:00 - [38] bob: got to pew pew ~50 capitals and got ~50 explosions. lost a titan likely funded by a single person(entity?). coalition: blew up a pos, killed a bob supercap fetus(odds are it be a titan). got lagged to hell and kerploded left and right while staring at login screens. its clear who had more fun. thats all i would/do care about.
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:07:00 - [39] I miss Husari Painen -------------- Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
darkfuntime Minmatar ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:11:00 - [40] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. I think the whole monkey thing proves that you are a bob alt.You should rename your post to Muttering from a bob alt
nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:35:00 - [41] Ah, the monkey thing, that MUST mean i'm a bob alt, surely... monkeys....!
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:45:00 - [42] Originally by: JP Moregain ...If you want to beat on BoB because they got some BPO's (which were later removed) from someone on the development team please do, because that actually happened... JP Quality material right there.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:45:00 - [43] Originally by: JP Moregain ...If you want to beat on BoB because they got some BPO's (which were later removed) from someone on the development team please do, because that actually happened... JP Quality material right there.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:53:00 - [44] Congratulations! you've just won the Minigin Prize for the most neutral neutral who was able to be totally neutral and neutrally assess the fight in a totally neutral and unbiased post. To collect your prize please report to Airaken: the impro warehouse Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:53:00 - [45] Congratulations! you've just won the Minigin Prize for the most neutral neutral who was able to be totally neutral and neutrally assess the fight in a totally neutral and unbiased post. To collect your prize please report to Airaken: the impro warehouse Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:02:00 - [46] I think it's frickin' annoying that all those bloody 1-man corps pop up and start stupid "unbiased" (lol) threads. When CCP started banning noob-corp alts, these forums became a bit calmer. Now, we're back to square one because every idiot can just created a 1-man corp and can start one stupid bait thread after another. It doesn't matter if you're BoB or the coalition. PLEASE quit posting with obvious 1-man corp alts!!! Everyone who's involved has picked a side, so if you wanna voice your opinion, do it with your main. _______________
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:03:00 - [47] As my younger brother once told me... Whatever, minger. ----------
Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:06:00 - [48] BORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Noshi Amarr Formula-X	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:15:00 - [49] OP is a Bob alt fanboi.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Minigin on 30/03/2007 21:29:16 double post if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Karrimdra Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah. so, he doesnt side with the "surprise sex train havnt brakes" thus he is not neutral, seems to be your pov. you my friend... are retarded... you win the Minigin Prize for gulibility... a neutral post is ment to shed light on both sides. in this conflict there is obviously a lot of dark area that a neutral would never know about. so a neutral would say something like this "The coalition had a goal... and they achieved it. BoB killed 50 capitals... who won? noone can really tell... we dont know what was really inside the pos..." not... "omg bob hax4rz youzorz! cos tehy are so much more awsome than youse guyz dawgz... im totaly neutralzorz! you all are against me because i like bob and want to hop in bed with them" if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Lasakywa Caldari Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:46:00 - [52] Edited by: Lasakywa on 30/03/2007 21:51:55 Edited by: Lasakywa on 30/03/2007 21:43:25 "This is how the BoB/Coalition fight looks from a bob observer." Corrected :) So, why do you spam us with your useless topic ? Maybe you bob are angry to lose this so little pos
Heilongjiang YASA.	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:54:00 - [53] Edited by: Heilongjiang on 30/03/2007 21:51:01 It takes stones to do what amounts to knowngly Leroy a whole gaggle of dreads in to kill a Foetal Titan. On the other hand it takes zero stones to sneak up in an alt frigate and smartbomb a logging Titan. Ah forgot to say well done guys.
Tweedle Dum Gallente Empire Quality Control	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Tweedle Dum on 30/03/2007 21:52:47 Originally by: Gidien Kane I agree with a few points the OP made. He underestimates the work that goes into an op like yesterdays which showed that the coalition can work together and THAT was a victory on it's own. Loosing 40+ caps is not a victory or fun, stop trying to justify it. There was a lot of good ground gained yesterday just not in the battlefield. They key word would have to be sustainment. No, signs that a coalition can work together means support in the rough times. Signs that a coalition is coming together means having these numbers from each alliance for a 2am eve op. Signs that a coalition is working together means having some form of control over what your allies do. What you saw here was 6 major alliances hoping that they could be part of some "epic" even and showing up for a part of the glory. You don't prove yourselves in times of great glory, you prove yourselves in far lesser of times. What I see coming from this even is a lot of people from the coalition saying they'll never participate in this style fight again. I see a coalition looking for every excuse as to why losing ~45 dreads means nothing to them. I see a coalition praying to god that there was really a titan in that station or else. This coalition would do better to take 2 months off and reorganize and repurpose this fight. Right now they're making a mockery of what greatness is, and spending every waking minute on the forums trying to convince everyone that they're accomplishing something. They can take the time to throw the past back at BoB about forum wars. But how can they possibly justify themselves because of what someone else did before that they dispised. It's worse in fact, that they are repeating the very thing they detested, because they of all people should know how loathsome it is. This war is a joke, and I really can't believe I sided with the North for so long. Those boys might want to start practicing what they preach!
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:02:00 - [55] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. 1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs It's never been enforced previously. Jita does not adhere to it, XZH did not, JV1V did not - not even fleets approaching JV1V had this rule imposed on them. It's been arbitrarily enforced after the system was put on a single node and this was explicitly stated. At this rate of willy-nilly enforcement, you might as well ban all coalition cynoalts in the middle of an OP. It is indeed against the EULA to share these, so clearly it's our fault and not anyone elses if they get banned at a pivotal time. Quote: 2ndly: d-3 is 2j away from F-T. and we were sitting in K-6. the system between d-3 and f-t. Upwards of 900 coalition were stuck in the constellation approaching F-T, and nothing near that many BoB-allies. Which is another glorious move - reinforcing and capping (so it can't possibly go down) the target system, and leaving the approaching constellation for anyone jumpbridging completely ready to be raped. That's great, so we can't approach support via non-jumpbridge - and even when we do jumpbridge or bring extra capitals, the system is capped. You do realize about half the coalitions Dreadnought losses were an hour or more after the fight, right ? Because they finally got queued in, after the PoS had died, never loaded their system and just sat somewhere in F-T, most likely without knowing it. It's really downright deliberate sabotage and nothing else. And we still won. And yet you still try to deny a loss that has been retardedly easy to verify. Good job, have your duncecap.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Fun Inc	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:06:00 - [56] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. This commonly held assumption is silly. There was no guareentee of a kill. With massive lag, people crashing, a huge defending fleet to kill dreads plus rep pos it was quite possible the attackers could have failed horribly. With the system capped at 700 if the defenders had had a few more then the attack would obviously have failed as not enough attacker could have got in. If more attacking dreads had crashed/lagged out Bob and allies would have achieved the greatest victory in the history of Eve. On the 700 cap it would seem the defenders didn't know about these either, despite claims otherwise, as surely they would have just stuck 700 in system and it is the end of the attack. ] Does anyone else spot the obvious problem if the 700 rule is standard? If you want to defend a pos coming out of reinforced 700 nub ships should do the job. This can't be right? So it would seem that the attackers pulled off a lucky one and Bob et al missed a golden opportunity. If the Bob side had put a few more ships into the system then the attackers would have been killed for nothing. So it would seem that despite all the conspiracies Bob was unaware of this loophole. I would like to hope that the 700 cap is not the norm but a GM's response to a specific situation. If it is standard it is so broken it is crazy. However if it was a one off then its still really messed up and sooooo open to abuse. Those cheering it from the pro-Bob side would do well to acknowledge that this is a can of worms and leaves the future of major poss assaults firmly in the GM's hands - where they should not be. Like people say there is a major problem in how alliance warfare is supposed to work. Kudos to both sides on an epic battle.
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:08:00 - [57] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. I hear they lost up to 50 capital ships whilst bob lost none atall, that doesn't seem like a victory to me, especially if there was no titan in building, even if there was, bob still come out on top in terms of isk vs losses. However you could say a 3rd titan would have been a nice little extra advantage for BoB so that's the only thing that really could make the loss of 50 capital ships even slightly worthwhile. The coalition stacked their chances of achieving victory to 100% by using as many dreads as they did. I am seeing some people claim that BoB didn't want the pos to die, so there must have been something good inside building? How do you know this? If i can figure out that keeping the pos alive is impossible against such a large number of Dreadnoughts, then i'm sure the minds behind BoB figured it out aswell. They took full advantage of the situation and caused as much damage as they could, the largest number of capitals ever destroyed in a single fight in the history of EVE, by far. Have highlighted a few parts for you Mr "Neutral" grow a pair and post with your main. gee
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:11:00 - [58] Edited by: Frygok on 30/03/2007 22:07:39 Originally by: Tweedle Dum Edited by: Tweedle Dum on 30/03/2007 21:52:47 Quote: This war is a joke, and I really can't believe I sided with the North for so long. Those boys might want to start practicing what they preach! Please explain to me who they can practice what they preach, when the vast majority of their fleet, heck even their cap fleet, is stuck away from the actual system? Should they learn to "not jump if there if 600 enemies in the system" or should they "wait, don't warp in, the node might crash"? BoB freaking made their own enemies, now they have to freaking deal with them. THEY made the choice of becoming the strongest diplomatic power of EVE(and huge respect for you guys to do this). But then, you also have to accept that people are ****ed off at you(which BOB does, yet their allies apparently call "blobbing", because BOB is outnumbered). The Coalition practiced what they preached. They have been referred to as "worse than ASCN", "never to have 0.0 space again", "logoffski's" and whatnot, yet apparently they still managed to jump head on into what would be death, lag and smack. Sadly, the smack so far has not been from BOB, but from all their allies. CCP made this game, they decided for cap fleets and huge support fleets. Now their own hardware fails. Not the fault of the players, no matter how you want your post to be "I used to like the Coalition, but now I hatez them!". Finally, I would like to state that I personally have a huge respect for BOB, and a majority of their allies. Last night showed that both sides want to fight, and want to have fun. Sadly the game doesn't permit that. Respect. Frygok
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:11:00 - [59] I am detecting a lot of hostile emotion and sweaty armpits from the BOB t-shirt brigade. Considering the pos was empty and BOB killed eleventy one allied cap ships I am curious as to why all the alts and t-shirts are so upset. Rhetorical btw, so I won't be checking the thread again for the inevitable.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin f*in anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer The funny thing is that this is the reason that your corp was kicked from it's last alliance. Isk loss matters as it's the only thing that can be truley measured in terms of achivment, if you keep loosing 250% more isk than your targets then sooner or later you won't be able to field the ships you need to compete. The coalition IMO failed, yes they achived there aim but do the means justifie the end?
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:21:00 - [61] i must say this was a great last few days... not because coalition killed a pos or that bob killed lots of cap ships but due to the new hights that the game has taken... the type of epic battle that took place was mostly capital ship in nature. soon in another 6mths mostly all people in eve will fly cap ships for battle... My take on this matter is the spread between the average player and the hardcore old schooler is coming to an end. With this said the game is nearing its end... I think CCP knows it BoB as an alliance knows it and frankly so does the Coalition... there is no true enemy anymore in the eve universe. Time though is the true enemy... USN
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:06:00 - [62] still roling on the floor lauhing good post 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
airgunner The Gravedigger Company Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:21:00 - [63] Edited by: airgunner on 30/03/2007 23:21:42 Was your dread destroyed in Delve? Need new components for your lost Titan? Dont worry- but order with THE CAPITAL BUILDERS SHOP CHEAPEST AROUND Nearly 9,000 capital components for sales directly off the market (not in a POS - so dont even think of it) Capital Builders Shop cheapest around
TRYPTIC The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:31:00 - [64] Edited by: TRYPTIC on 30/03/2007 23:29:11 Ya know, it's good to read what's going on in this game - the Great War, the small bickerings, etc. What is really tiring is all the "leetspeak" morons posting here! Do you want to make a point? Then SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH! Try to remember what your instructors taught you about spelling and punctuation. My apologies to those texting in english as a second or third language. This was not directed at you. It's meant for those folks who think it's cool to talk in some sort of sick-ass patois. This IS my main...my corp stuff won't post properly.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:37:00 - [65] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 30/03/2007 23:42:30 Originally by: TRYPTIC What is really tiring is all the "leetspeak" morons posting here! Do you want to make a point? Then SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH! Try to remember what your instructors taught you about spelling and punctuation. My apologies to those texting in english as a second or third language. This was not directed at you. It's meant for those folks who think it's cool to talk in some sort of sick-ass patois. This IS my main...my corp stuff won't post properly. Actually the Europeans tend to speak english better than the UK/US residents Grammar doesn't seem to be a priority in English speaking schools. Despite your claim to be a main, I expect you to get snipped for not displaying corp ticker...shame as you make more sense than half the stupid 1 man alt corps that are allowed to spew their nonsense on this forum Edit: yay, you have corp ticker displayed
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:37:00 - [66] Schweinfurt. 60 Aircraft. 55 crews. A large blow to the 8th Air Force. But the ****'s production was cut by a third. By the end of the war, the most modern military in the world had been forced to use horses as they ran out the means of production.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:52:00 - [67] Originally by: SpaceMonkey Neutral.Yeah.The sneaky one man type industry corp posting is getting a little lame guys.Also seems this toon is tied to Confederation of the red moon... nice one.lol I love these bob coalition alts.NEXT neutral post plz. FFS these forums monkay Dont implicate CoRM, proof or STFU, I am a director and never heard of this cat... That being said i agreee with him
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:57:00 - [68] If the OP is Neutral then I'm the Queen of England.
nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:07:00 - [69] Add the Queen of England to the list of famous people who play EVE.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:10:00 - [70] Okay, so here's an opinion from a real neutral. As far as I can see from all this, in broad terms the Coalition have made a vicious attempt at pounding the living ass out of BoB. When I talk about BoB here, I talk about the whole BoB friendly lot, with LV and everyone wrapped in. They've succeeded at forementioned pounding, then killed a Capital Assembly equipped control tower they beleive was building a Titan. They've also has a few good large scale engagements where they've come out on top and they've succeeded in pushing their borders back in the south somewhat from what I can tell with the loss of a significant number of LV sovreign systems. However in the same token, BoB have struck back, flattening a significant chunk of their capital fleet in retaliation for the destruction of the shipyard and continue to hold their ground where they are presently. I find it ironic that after all the BoB posting in the past, when the crap has hit the fan, they've knuckled down and are fighting hard against what is in effect an enemy pushing pure numbers against them to overwhelm their defenses. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give a toss either way who wins or loses, 0.0 will always stay it's same blobby self and be full of sheep no matter who comes out on top, hence me not even paying particular attention to what's been going on until last night. It's amusing to watch from an "on the fence" standpoint though, I must admit. The propoganda wars have been legendary P.S. Molle is my mum. NEWEST MOVIE : RECRUITMENT 2007
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:16:00 - [71] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/03/2007 00:14:00 Originally by: nistro666 Add the Queen of England to the list of famous people who play EVE. whoa, just think, you could have been in a fleet fight w/ samuel L AND the queen of england!! I wonder who else? que daydream "could someone please ask the ambassador of Togo to armor rep me plz. for the 10th time, ffs, Alyssa Milano STOP SPAMMING local!!! ..... and for the love of god, if Steve Jobs doesn't warp that snipe fleet in here before we lose that carrier he's losing his FC status!! explosion LOLOLOL, 'her majesty' just warped her faction fitted crow to the hostile pos "
Wodanonline Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:32:00 - [72] i dont think you have to say your statement comes from a neutral point of vieuw. whoever you think was best or won thats who you end up being for couse you will hurt the other sides feeling with the truth and they will wine in all replys. anyway from my point of vieuw even if BoB somehow would manage to get the upper hand and bring enough force in to kill all dreads before they could kill the pos. ccp would not allow it couse the node will crash. and you can stay on 1 target (pos) and crash in siege mode and keep killing it, but that is hard to do if you have to kill 100 targets (dreads)
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:46:00 - [73] Edited by: laotse on 31/03/2007 00:44:13 Dont implicate CoRM, proof or STFU, I am a director and never heard of this cat... That being said i agreee with him wake up the sleeper corm !!!! 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
SpaceMonkey Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 02:41:00 - [74] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: SpaceMonkey Neutral.Yeah.The sneaky one man type industry corp posting is getting a little lame guys.Also seems this toon is tied to Confederation of the red moon... nice one.lol I love these bob coalition alts.NEXT neutral post plz. FFS these forums monkay Dont implicate CoRM, proof or STFU, I am a director and never heard of this cat... That being said i agreee with him It's not hard to figure out if you look at the ceo's of the 1-2 man industrial corps he has been in(most of them in some way). They trace back to CORM, it's not hard to figure out cool guy.So that being more than your "omg I never heard of this "cat" proof wise.Want me to stfu..I can meet you in any system for 1vs1 if you want to try n shut me up fan boi. Monkay
Montgomery Alabaster Minmatar Deep Blue Exploratory	Posted - 2007.03.31 06:41:00 - [75] This is from my nuetral perspective... Never ending smackfest.
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:00:00 - [76] I don't honestly think that CCP enforced the player cap maliciously to hinder the coalition, no need for tinfoil hats on this one. CCP isn't that stupid, It was just a GM who failed to consider his actions fully, or having considered them realized he had two bad options and decided on the one that kept the server running and hoped for the best. That said, those who think that bob was fighting against the odds, or that it was just a honey trap, or that the coalition lost more because they lost alot of dreads, or BoB lost more because they lost a baby titan... SHUT UP! you don't know, the people who do are keeping quite, if indeed anyone does actually know, I doubt if we'll ever sort it all out. The one thing, the ONLY thing, that anyone who doesn't have access to the game logs and proprietary information of the involved parties, can draw from this is that alliance warfare on this scale is broken, something needs to be done, and not just get a bigger server. Odds are that we'll always outpace the servers if we start holding our battles with thousands to a side. Not only does it lead to node crashes and debacles like this, but the lag makes the game nearly unplayable, when it gets to this point your doing it to say we did this, and not bacause the actual experience of doing it was fun. The whole mechanics of pos warfare, and soveriegnty need to be revised, the whole trend toward battling it out at chokepoints like this every time is neither realistic, nor is it fun.
Clogs'R'us Caldari LOST Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:24:00 - [77] Edited by: Clogs''R''us on 31/03/2007 07:20:38 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Actually the Europeans tend to speak english better than the UK/US residents Grammar doesn't seem to be a priority in English speaking schools. Are you eh? making fun of the fact eh? that I'm from canada eh? and can't speak perfect english eh? Clogs. eh?
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. the damn system wasent even at 700 soo..... any better ? I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:45:00 - [79] it puzels me that the coalition and friends write more whining threads here than any other... it must have been painfull to loose them dreads.
CagedRage The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:39:00 - [80] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin fin anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer Exactly. The majority of the coalition couldn't give a *** what anyone else thinks. We came, (we lagged), we blew up our primary and secondary target, and left. End of story. We knew the risks and were prepared to take losses. Hell, most were insured and had no faction gear on anyways... (A lot of us could loose t2 ships and loose more iskies than a freakin' dread if you start including insurance!) Personally, I thought it was pretty fun to be a part of the whole fight. Shame about the servers tho.
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:10:00 - [81] there are only 3 facts 1) there was lag 2) The pos target got destroyed 3) 45-ish dreads/capitals got lost in action Who the winner is, is all speculation. Seeing all the threads there is a lot of speculation, but that's all what it is, speculation. It will be interesting to see if the coalition will bring it this way on all pos'es of the BoB/allie fleet. After that's done, there will be a fourth fact 4) the coalition won or BoB won Untill that time we have our 5th fact 5) the whining will continue Im going into selling cheese for 10 isk a piece... Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Feynmen Open Concepts	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:59:00 - [82] I've only been playing a month in a neutral (as far as I know) corp. In that month, this is what I know: 1) There is a large corp named BoB. 2) BoB has been accused of everything and anything known to man. 3) BoB is at war bacause the players in the coalition apparently want to take BoB down a notch or 200. Now the things I have HEARD about BoB could fill the next 2 pages of this thread, but unless I have proof of any of it, I'm not going to assume any of it is true. "I don't think anyone really understands Quantum Mechanics." -Quantum Physicist Richard Feynmen
Slimmer Jones	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:12:00 - [83] Edited by: Slimmer Jones on 31/03/2007 21:13:50 Funny how no bob's are posting in a bobthread... You'd think they would have been all over the place if they considered this a victory....
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:34:00 - [84] Originally by: Slimmer Jones Edited by: Slimmer Jones on 31/03/2007 21:13:50 Funny how no bob's are posting in a bobthread... You'd think they would have been all over the place if they considered this a victory.... you need a lesson in Eve... Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Eiidmac Caldari Brotherhood of the Shadows	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:38:00 - [85] Edited by: Eiidmac on 31/03/2007 21:37:28 Originally by: nistro666 Ah, the monkey thing, that MUST mean i'm a bob alt, surely... monkeys....! No, I think the size of your ding-dong proves you are a BOB alt, loser. Be a man and post with your main character next time. Yes, I don't like BOB and wished I could have helped with destroying the coalition.
Patricko Tandbergo	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:41:00 - [86] you could say that no bob alliance people are posting here notiably, (have not seen bob in the alliance name and do not realy keep track of minor corps in the over all super alliance). But.... you do wonder why so many 'noobs' and people from one man to minor corperations have so many strong oppions in favor of bob. "my one man corperation supports you bob with all of our resources, my frigate with miner 1's will support your efforts, DEATH TO THE COLETION THE TRENCHES WILL BE OVERFLOWING WITH THE BODYS OF YOUR DEAAAAAAAAAD!"
Uhmari Amarr The Imperial Commonwealth	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:53:00 - [87] I find this all Really really funny. This is why... a) the OP is obviously no neutral b) I am, I have friends on both sides... The funny thing is not that he is not neutral, But that the coalition fell for a complete ruze, There was no titan in the pos, They lost 55 ish dreads ( or what ever ) to nothing.... Absolutly nothing. GG coalition, Gj bob spies with false intel. bob 1 coalition 0 Ps, I fly in an alliance allied and nap'd with all the coalition alliances, My previous ceo's are the leaders of the coalition, Who i am still very loyal to, But i found that fighting bob... because bob is strong, Is not a good anuff readon. /side swap Uhmari Empires are built on conquest and war, not peace and trade.
csebal Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:32:00 - [88] Originally by: Tweedle Dum ... stuff ... And the point of your post? Honestly.. if you dont see a sign that the coalition is coming together.. okay.. so what? Should they just lay down and die, because YOU deem them unworthy to challenge BOB's greatness? You know there is one thing more disgusting as an EGOistic bobbit. The EGOistic wannabe who praises them for what they do, for their greatness, and looks down on BOB's enemies, talking about them as if they were inferior to anything. These wannabes are the inferior ones. Wannabes, who got neither the strength or the cunning to make achievements of their own. Wannabes, who can only stand in the shadow of bullies and echo the words of their masters from behind their backs. Originally by: Tweedle Dum What I see coming from this even is a lot of people from the coalition saying they'll never participate in this style fight again. I see a coalition looking for every excuse as to why losing ~45 dreads means nothing to them. I see a coalition praying to god that there was really a titan in that station or else. First of all, i havent heard anyone in the coalition question the wiseness of the attack.. only people standing on the sidelines - either not playing, or not involved in the conflict. I doubt they did attack the POS on a hunch. Im sure they hope there was a titan in there, but trust me.. they'll not get sleepless nights just because BOB refuses to talk about it, or does not confirm (maybe even deny) the titans presence. Furthermore.. i havent seen the coalition trying to post "oh we did lose 45 dreads, but it was all worth it". I did see however lots of people posting "yeah.. they killed the pos, but for what? loss of 50 dreads? lol". Now who is making the excuse here please? Originally by: Tweedle Dum This coalition would do better to take 2 months off and reorganize and repurpose this fight. Right now they're making a mockery of what greatness is, and spending every waking minute on the forums trying to convince everyone that they're accomplishing something. "Alright guys, time to pack our stuff and head home. Master Tweelde Dum thinks we need to reorganize. Plus we should be ashamed of how we look to the public." Yeah, im sure this is the kind of discussion going on between coalition memebers right now.. oh wait, maybe even not. Originally by: Tweedle Dum This war is a joke, and I really can't believe I sided with the North for so long. Those boys might want to start practicing what they preach! I for one - even though not playing the game on the alliance level anymore - am glad that the north has one less like you. Some of the reasons for the war might be irrational, but i can assure you they are not a joke. One thing is certain.. BOB failed to defend a POS they were actively defending. I can't remember this has ever happened to them. Plus if the coalition would have been able to bring the full weight of its forces into the system, then BOB would have been either pwned badly or forced to retreat as they were simply outnumbered like 3 to 1 or so AFAIK. Luckily for them, the nodes are capped and even without that they would never be able to accomodate forces of this size in their current state. Then again, this is all "what would have been" which normally has no place in history. Still.. considering the initial odds and the circumstances, i say BOB is very lucky with this outcome as it could only have been worser for them. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:50:00 - [89] Neutral observer believes BoB won that fight. Legion of stupid then brands him a BoB alt. Seen this before? Why, of course. Do you honestly believe BoB flood this forum with alts from random corps all over Eve so people will say they won x fight in y system? It's a fact BoB "won" in F-TE1T, regardless of what the Coalition believe they "achieved", just because this guy has his eyes open and isn't screaming KILL BOB THEY R CHEATERS doesn't in any way mean he's a BoB alt. Use your brains kids. Website Recruiting
csebal Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Feynmen I've only been playing a month in a neutral (as far as I know) corp. In that month, this is what I know: 1) There is a large corp named BoB. 2) BoB has been accused of everything and anything known to man. 3) BoB is at war bacause the players in the coalition apparently want to take BoB down a notch or 200. Now the things I have HEARD about BoB could fill the next 2 pages of this thread, but unless I have proof of any of it, I'm not going to assume any of it is true. It (and even more) is true. Proof? Because i just told you so, and im an honest man. :) Oh well.. its 1st of April isnt it? In reality probably only 25% or even less of what BOB is accused with can be true, and i doubt that even that could be backed up by hard evidience. Let's just say, that there is an interesting string of coincidences surrounding BOB's history, which made a few people - coupled with the recent proof that at least some of the suspected cheats were true - quite mad. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:54:00 - [91] sigh Not sure if ppl have already said this but they probably have. Still everyone is like OH NOES COALITION lost all the ships. Firstly the System was capped to 700 i belive not sure if thats the exact number but about that and BoB had 400 - 500 defenders so you figure it out.. Cap ships jump in, Support goes oh wat's this we cant enter?? lame lol Im not saying BoB did a crap job or anything they did awsome so kill so many :D but still i think if ppl could have been aloud to get into the system and not have to fight 3 to 1 (rough odd's i cant be screwed working out the correct figure) things might have ended differently and deffinatly the dreads would not have died as much with extra support there. But not alot can be done for that really EVE just wasn't built for these kinda wars obviously BoB will defend with everything they have and obviously we will attack with equaly. This forces CCP to either reinforce the node or put limit's on population number. Lag kills us all at least once :D Still would have been nice for CCP to give us a heads up about the population limit so we could at least put smaller group of cap's in and made sure support ships got in there to help them :D Well look forward to the next laggy fight -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
csebal Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:59:00 - [92] Originally by: Yuki Li It's a fact BoB "won" in F-TE1T... Uhum.. its a "fact".. yes.. i see. Originally by: Yuki Li Use your brains kids. You should follow your own advice.. preferably BEFORE you post. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:04:00 - [93] Didn't a large number of the coalition capital ships crash, resulting in the remainder being outnumbered at the POS? Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to exactly how many were involved on both sides? ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Fitzter Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:22:00 - [94] No matter who won the battle....this was some fun ****e .
Fitzter Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:22:00 - [95] No matter who won the battle....this was some fun ****e .
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:29:00 - [96] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Didn't a large number of the coalition capital ships crash, resulting in the remainder being outnumbered at the POS? Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to exactly how many were involved on both sides? Not sure of exact numbers tbh but yes I have a few close friends that i know crashed and a few others that said they never loaded. One of them even filed a stuck petition cause he could only see black when he jumped in. But he died 30 minutes later lol. But yea i belive lag was close to unbearable on both sides. And yes its true not all coalition forces where able to assult but meh thats something you have to accept with battle's this large lag is always against you. Im sure alot of BoB were laged out too -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:29:00 - [97] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Didn't a large number of the coalition capital ships crash, resulting in the remainder being outnumbered at the POS? Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to exactly how many were involved on both sides? Not sure of exact numbers tbh but yes I have a few close friends that i know crashed and a few others that said they never loaded. One of them even filed a stuck petition cause he could only see black when he jumped in. But he died 30 minutes later lol. But yea i belive lag was close to unbearable on both sides. And yes its true not all coalition forces where able to assult but meh thats something you have to accept with battle's this large lag is always against you. Im sure alot of BoB were laged out too -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:38:00 - [98] Originally by: Patch86 Hehehe, "neutral"........ A better some up (from someone who wasn't actually there; this is just gathered from forum spam) might be: Dreadnoughts jump in and attack POS. BoB fleet jump in and attack the Dreadnoughts. 90% of the coalition fleet in support ships tries to jump in to pop BoB's capital fleet (pretty standard POS warfare tactics, really, just bigger) and are stopped by a 700 ship cap that no-one knew about. BoB clean up the undefended Dreads, but not before they manage to pop the POS. According to my mental mathematics, 50 dreads (insured) still comes to considerably less than a foetal Titan (uninsured). Victory? The coalition achieved it's goal, and BoB killed a lot of dreads. So everyones happy. Who showed the skill and talent and deserves merit, though? In your post you tell us that all the Coalition did was spam the system, while the heroic BoB skillfully blast them out of the sky (300 stylee). What I see, however, is that a small vulnerable section of the Coalition fleet was all that managed to get in, and BoB happily set about popping the undefended ships while the warfleet sat helplessly a few systems away. And they STILL managed to get their task done. So I would say the Coalition displayed the skill, and BoB are all lame. Well no, I wouldn't say that. BoB were very skilled, and battled against the odds. The Coalition was also very skilled, and battled against a whole different set of odds. Both sides did very well in the bizarre circumstances, and both achieved a victory by their own standards. So can we stop with all this brainless "X did awesome, Y are brainless stooges" stuff? This is the best neutral post I have read in this. Very very accurate and agrees with my assesment entirely. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:38:00 - [99] Originally by: Patch86 Hehehe, "neutral"........ A better some up (from someone who wasn't actually there; this is just gathered from forum spam) might be: Dreadnoughts jump in and attack POS. BoB fleet jump in and attack the Dreadnoughts. 90% of the coalition fleet in support ships tries to jump in to pop BoB's capital fleet (pretty standard POS warfare tactics, really, just bigger) and are stopped by a 700 ship cap that no-one knew about. BoB clean up the undefended Dreads, but not before they manage to pop the POS. According to my mental mathematics, 50 dreads (insured) still comes to considerably less than a foetal Titan (uninsured). Victory? The coalition achieved it's goal, and BoB killed a lot of dreads. So everyones happy. Who showed the skill and talent and deserves merit, though? In your post you tell us that all the Coalition did was spam the system, while the heroic BoB skillfully blast them out of the sky (300 stylee). What I see, however, is that a small vulnerable section of the Coalition fleet was all that managed to get in, and BoB happily set about popping the undefended ships while the warfleet sat helplessly a few systems away. And they STILL managed to get their task done. So I would say the Coalition displayed the skill, and BoB are all lame. Well no, I wouldn't say that. BoB were very skilled, and battled against the odds. The Coalition was also very skilled, and battled against a whole different set of odds. Both sides did very well in the bizarre circumstances, and both achieved a victory by their own standards. So can we stop with all this brainless "X did awesome, Y are brainless stooges" stuff? This is the best neutral post I have read in this. Very very accurate and agrees with my assesment entirely. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Eiidmac Caldari Brotherhood of the Shadows	Posted - 2007.04.02 18:56:00 - [100] Originally by: Yuki Li Neutral observer believes BoB won that fight. Legion of stupid then brands him a BoB alt. Seen this before? Why, of course. Do you honestly believe BoB flood this forum with alts from random corps all over Eve so people will say they won x fight in y system? It's a fact BoB "won" in F-TE1T, regardless of what the Coalition believe they "achieved", just because this guy has his eyes open and isn't screaming KILL BOB THEY R CHEATERS doesn't in any way mean he's a BoB alt. Use your brains kids. You need to read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. Propogana and misdirection are always used by the enemy. There is no neutral. There are those that like BOB and those who hate BOB. As for victory, it depends on how you are measuring it. Moral victory, Economic Victory, etc. Only if CCP posted officially what was lost, would you know who the victor was. Of course BOB would use an alt to brag about all the dreads that were lost and there skill in fighting. You will notice I am posting with my main and I have already said I am against BOB. I am not a coward like some.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.02 19:28:00 - [101] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. I hear they lost up to 50 capital ships whilst bob lost none atall, that doesn't seem like a victory to me, especially if there was no titan in building, even if there was, bob still come out on top in terms of isk vs losses. However you could say a 3rd titan would have been a nice little extra advantage for BoB so that's the only thing that really could make the loss of 50 capital ships even slightly worthwhile. The coalition stacked their chances of achieving victory to 100% by using as many dreads as they did. I am seeing some people claim that BoB didn't want the pos to die, so there must have been something good inside building? How do you know this? If i can figure out that keeping the pos alive is impossible against such a large number of Dreadnoughts, then i'm sure the minds behind BoB figured it out aswell. They took full advantage of the situation and caused as much damage as they could, the largest number of capitals ever destroyed in a single fight in the history of EVE, by far. Coalition still gets points for bringing it... The largest fleet ever... Your signature is inappropriate. Please email us with a link to your signature to find out why. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.02 19:53:00 - [102] Edited by: Aldari Verve on 02/04/2007 19:49:55 You can compare the dread losses to the isk value of the titan thats true. There is a hidden variable. If the titan was destroyed how many countless billions would be saved from the loss of intys, frigates, cruisers, battleships, and so on and so forth? that is variable x my friend. Factor that into the equation and the value of the titan destruction rises.
nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.04.02 20:05:00 - [103] Edited by: nistro666 on 02/04/2007 20:03:36 Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. I hear they lost up to 50 capital ships whilst bob lost none atall, that doesn't seem like a victory to me, especially if there was no titan in building, even if there was, bob still come out on top in terms of isk vs losses. However you could say a 3rd titan would have been a nice little extra advantage for BoB so that's the only thing that really could make the loss of 50 capital ships even slightly worthwhile. The coalition stacked their chances of achieving victory to 100% by using as many dreads as they did. I am seeing some people claim that BoB didn't want the pos to die, so there must have been something good inside building? How do you know this? If i can figure out that keeping the pos alive is impossible against such a large number of Dreadnoughts, then i'm sure the minds behind BoB figured it out aswell. They took full advantage of the situation and caused as much damage as they could, the largest number of capitals ever destroyed in a single fight in the history of EVE, by far. Coalition still gets points for bringing it... The largest fleet ever... How many alliances capital fleets were there? 7 i think an AAA or D2 guy said when they were gloating about how the losses don't effect them much. 7 huge alliances, some of which individually are far larger than bob themselves, all joining up for one big gangbang. All they've done in my opinion is prove that they are capable of gathering a zerg. There is no achievement to be had from that. For most people, zerging is not something that you should strive to achieve. There is also the fact that they do this knowing that the server simply cannot handle that many players, and then complain about it when a cap is put on the system to prevent the node from crashing.

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