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USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:21:00 - [61] i must say this was a great last few days... not because coalition killed a pos or that bob killed lots of cap ships but due to the new hights that the game has taken... the type of epic battle that took place was mostly capital ship in nature. soon in another 6mths mostly all people in eve will fly cap ships for battle... My take on this matter is the spread between the average player and the hardcore old schooler is coming to an end. With this said the game is nearing its end... I think CCP knows it BoB as an alliance knows it and frankly so does the Coalition... there is no true enemy anymore in the eve universe. Time though is the true enemy... USN
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:06:00 - [62] still roling on the floor lauhing good post 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
airgunner The Gravedigger Company Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:21:00 - [63] Edited by: airgunner on 30/03/2007 23:21:42 Was your dread destroyed in Delve? Need new components for your lost Titan? Dont worry- but order with THE CAPITAL BUILDERS SHOP CHEAPEST AROUND Nearly 9,000 capital components for sales directly off the market (not in a POS - so dont even think of it) Capital Builders Shop cheapest around
TRYPTIC The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:31:00 - [64] Edited by: TRYPTIC on 30/03/2007 23:29:11 Ya know, it's good to read what's going on in this game - the Great War, the small bickerings, etc. What is really tiring is all the "leetspeak" morons posting here! Do you want to make a point? Then SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH! Try to remember what your instructors taught you about spelling and punctuation. My apologies to those texting in english as a second or third language. This was not directed at you. It's meant for those folks who think it's cool to talk in some sort of sick-ass patois. This IS my main...my corp stuff won't post properly.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:37:00 - [65] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 30/03/2007 23:42:30 Originally by: TRYPTIC What is really tiring is all the "leetspeak" morons posting here! Do you want to make a point? Then SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH! Try to remember what your instructors taught you about spelling and punctuation. My apologies to those texting in english as a second or third language. This was not directed at you. It's meant for those folks who think it's cool to talk in some sort of sick-ass patois. This IS my main...my corp stuff won't post properly. Actually the Europeans tend to speak english better than the UK/US residents Grammar doesn't seem to be a priority in English speaking schools. Despite your claim to be a main, I expect you to get snipped for not displaying corp ticker...shame as you make more sense than half the stupid 1 man alt corps that are allowed to spew their nonsense on this forum Edit: yay, you have corp ticker displayed
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:37:00 - [66] Schweinfurt. 60 Aircraft. 55 crews. A large blow to the 8th Air Force. But the ****'s production was cut by a third. By the end of the war, the most modern military in the world had been forced to use horses as they ran out the means of production.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:52:00 - [67] Originally by: SpaceMonkey Neutral.Yeah.The sneaky one man type industry corp posting is getting a little lame guys.Also seems this toon is tied to Confederation of the red moon... nice one.lol I love these bob coalition alts.NEXT neutral post plz. FFS these forums monkay Dont implicate CoRM, proof or STFU, I am a director and never heard of this cat... That being said i agreee with him
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:57:00 - [68] If the OP is Neutral then I'm the Queen of England.
nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:07:00 - [69] Add the Queen of England to the list of famous people who play EVE.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:10:00 - [70] Okay, so here's an opinion from a real neutral. As far as I can see from all this, in broad terms the Coalition have made a vicious attempt at pounding the living ass out of BoB. When I talk about BoB here, I talk about the whole BoB friendly lot, with LV and everyone wrapped in. They've succeeded at forementioned pounding, then killed a Capital Assembly equipped control tower they beleive was building a Titan. They've also has a few good large scale engagements where they've come out on top and they've succeeded in pushing their borders back in the south somewhat from what I can tell with the loss of a significant number of LV sovreign systems. However in the same token, BoB have struck back, flattening a significant chunk of their capital fleet in retaliation for the destruction of the shipyard and continue to hold their ground where they are presently. I find it ironic that after all the BoB posting in the past, when the crap has hit the fan, they've knuckled down and are fighting hard against what is in effect an enemy pushing pure numbers against them to overwhelm their defenses. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give a toss either way who wins or loses, 0.0 will always stay it's same blobby self and be full of sheep no matter who comes out on top, hence me not even paying particular attention to what's been going on until last night. It's amusing to watch from an "on the fence" standpoint though, I must admit. The propoganda wars have been legendary P.S. Molle is my mum. NEWEST MOVIE : RECRUITMENT 2007
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:16:00 - [71] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/03/2007 00:14:00 Originally by: nistro666 Add the Queen of England to the list of famous people who play EVE. whoa, just think, you could have been in a fleet fight w/ samuel L AND the queen of england!! I wonder who else? que daydream "could someone please ask the ambassador of Togo to armor rep me plz. for the 10th time, ffs, Alyssa Milano STOP SPAMMING local!!! ..... and for the love of god, if Steve Jobs doesn't warp that snipe fleet in here before we lose that carrier he's losing his FC status!! explosion LOLOLOL, 'her majesty' just warped her faction fitted crow to the hostile pos "
Wodanonline Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:32:00 - [72] i dont think you have to say your statement comes from a neutral point of vieuw. whoever you think was best or won thats who you end up being for couse you will hurt the other sides feeling with the truth and they will wine in all replys. anyway from my point of vieuw even if BoB somehow would manage to get the upper hand and bring enough force in to kill all dreads before they could kill the pos. ccp would not allow it couse the node will crash. and you can stay on 1 target (pos) and crash in siege mode and keep killing it, but that is hard to do if you have to kill 100 targets (dreads)
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:46:00 - [73] Edited by: laotse on 31/03/2007 00:44:13 Dont implicate CoRM, proof or STFU, I am a director and never heard of this cat... That being said i agreee with him wake up the sleeper corm !!!! 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
SpaceMonkey Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 02:41:00 - [74] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: SpaceMonkey Neutral.Yeah.The sneaky one man type industry corp posting is getting a little lame guys.Also seems this toon is tied to Confederation of the red moon... nice one.lol I love these bob coalition alts.NEXT neutral post plz. FFS these forums monkay Dont implicate CoRM, proof or STFU, I am a director and never heard of this cat... That being said i agreee with him It's not hard to figure out if you look at the ceo's of the 1-2 man industrial corps he has been in(most of them in some way). They trace back to CORM, it's not hard to figure out cool guy.So that being more than your "omg I never heard of this "cat" proof wise.Want me to stfu..I can meet you in any system for 1vs1 if you want to try n shut me up fan boi. Monkay
Montgomery Alabaster Minmatar Deep Blue Exploratory	Posted - 2007.03.31 06:41:00 - [75] This is from my nuetral perspective... Never ending smackfest.
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:00:00 - [76] I don't honestly think that CCP enforced the player cap maliciously to hinder the coalition, no need for tinfoil hats on this one. CCP isn't that stupid, It was just a GM who failed to consider his actions fully, or having considered them realized he had two bad options and decided on the one that kept the server running and hoped for the best. That said, those who think that bob was fighting against the odds, or that it was just a honey trap, or that the coalition lost more because they lost alot of dreads, or BoB lost more because they lost a baby titan... SHUT UP! you don't know, the people who do are keeping quite, if indeed anyone does actually know, I doubt if we'll ever sort it all out. The one thing, the ONLY thing, that anyone who doesn't have access to the game logs and proprietary information of the involved parties, can draw from this is that alliance warfare on this scale is broken, something needs to be done, and not just get a bigger server. Odds are that we'll always outpace the servers if we start holding our battles with thousands to a side. Not only does it lead to node crashes and debacles like this, but the lag makes the game nearly unplayable, when it gets to this point your doing it to say we did this, and not bacause the actual experience of doing it was fun. The whole mechanics of pos warfare, and soveriegnty need to be revised, the whole trend toward battling it out at chokepoints like this every time is neither realistic, nor is it fun.
Clogs'R'us Caldari LOST Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:24:00 - [77] Edited by: Clogs''R''us on 31/03/2007 07:20:38 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Actually the Europeans tend to speak english better than the UK/US residents Grammar doesn't seem to be a priority in English speaking schools. Are you eh? making fun of the fact eh? that I'm from canada eh? and can't speak perfect english eh? Clogs. eh?
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. the damn system wasent even at 700 soo..... any better ? I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:45:00 - [79] it puzels me that the coalition and friends write more whining threads here than any other... it must have been painfull to loose them dreads.
CagedRage The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:39:00 - [80] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin fin anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer Exactly. The majority of the coalition couldn't give a *** what anyone else thinks. We came, (we lagged), we blew up our primary and secondary target, and left. End of story. We knew the risks and were prepared to take losses. Hell, most were insured and had no faction gear on anyways... (A lot of us could loose t2 ships and loose more iskies than a freakin' dread if you start including insurance!) Personally, I thought it was pretty fun to be a part of the whole fight. Shame about the servers tho.
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:10:00 - [81] there are only 3 facts 1) there was lag 2) The pos target got destroyed 3) 45-ish dreads/capitals got lost in action Who the winner is, is all speculation. Seeing all the threads there is a lot of speculation, but that's all what it is, speculation. It will be interesting to see if the coalition will bring it this way on all pos'es of the BoB/allie fleet. After that's done, there will be a fourth fact 4) the coalition won or BoB won Untill that time we have our 5th fact 5) the whining will continue Im going into selling cheese for 10 isk a piece... Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Feynmen Open Concepts	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:59:00 - [82] I've only been playing a month in a neutral (as far as I know) corp. In that month, this is what I know: 1) There is a large corp named BoB. 2) BoB has been accused of everything and anything known to man. 3) BoB is at war bacause the players in the coalition apparently want to take BoB down a notch or 200. Now the things I have HEARD about BoB could fill the next 2 pages of this thread, but unless I have proof of any of it, I'm not going to assume any of it is true. "I don't think anyone really understands Quantum Mechanics." -Quantum Physicist Richard Feynmen
Slimmer Jones	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:12:00 - [83] Edited by: Slimmer Jones on 31/03/2007 21:13:50 Funny how no bob's are posting in a bobthread... You'd think they would have been all over the place if they considered this a victory....
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:34:00 - [84] Originally by: Slimmer Jones Edited by: Slimmer Jones on 31/03/2007 21:13:50 Funny how no bob's are posting in a bobthread... You'd think they would have been all over the place if they considered this a victory.... you need a lesson in Eve... Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Eiidmac Caldari Brotherhood of the Shadows	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:38:00 - [85] Edited by: Eiidmac on 31/03/2007 21:37:28 Originally by: nistro666 Ah, the monkey thing, that MUST mean i'm a bob alt, surely... monkeys....! No, I think the size of your ding-dong proves you are a BOB alt, loser. Be a man and post with your main character next time. Yes, I don't like BOB and wished I could have helped with destroying the coalition.
Patricko Tandbergo	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:41:00 - [86] you could say that no bob alliance people are posting here notiably, (have not seen bob in the alliance name and do not realy keep track of minor corps in the over all super alliance). But.... you do wonder why so many 'noobs' and people from one man to minor corperations have so many strong oppions in favor of bob. "my one man corperation supports you bob with all of our resources, my frigate with miner 1's will support your efforts, DEATH TO THE COLETION THE TRENCHES WILL BE OVERFLOWING WITH THE BODYS OF YOUR DEAAAAAAAAAD!"
Uhmari Amarr The Imperial Commonwealth	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:53:00 - [87] I find this all Really really funny. This is why... a) the OP is obviously no neutral b) I am, I have friends on both sides... The funny thing is not that he is not neutral, But that the coalition fell for a complete ruze, There was no titan in the pos, They lost 55 ish dreads ( or what ever ) to nothing.... Absolutly nothing. GG coalition, Gj bob spies with false intel. bob 1 coalition 0 Ps, I fly in an alliance allied and nap'd with all the coalition alliances, My previous ceo's are the leaders of the coalition, Who i am still very loyal to, But i found that fighting bob... because bob is strong, Is not a good anuff readon. /side swap Uhmari Empires are built on conquest and war, not peace and trade.
csebal Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:32:00 - [88] Originally by: Tweedle Dum ... stuff ... And the point of your post? Honestly.. if you dont see a sign that the coalition is coming together.. okay.. so what? Should they just lay down and die, because YOU deem them unworthy to challenge BOB's greatness? You know there is one thing more disgusting as an EGOistic bobbit. The EGOistic wannabe who praises them for what they do, for their greatness, and looks down on BOB's enemies, talking about them as if they were inferior to anything. These wannabes are the inferior ones. Wannabes, who got neither the strength or the cunning to make achievements of their own. Wannabes, who can only stand in the shadow of bullies and echo the words of their masters from behind their backs. Originally by: Tweedle Dum What I see coming from this even is a lot of people from the coalition saying they'll never participate in this style fight again. I see a coalition looking for every excuse as to why losing ~45 dreads means nothing to them. I see a coalition praying to god that there was really a titan in that station or else. First of all, i havent heard anyone in the coalition question the wiseness of the attack.. only people standing on the sidelines - either not playing, or not involved in the conflict. I doubt they did attack the POS on a hunch. Im sure they hope there was a titan in there, but trust me.. they'll not get sleepless nights just because BOB refuses to talk about it, or does not confirm (maybe even deny) the titans presence. Furthermore.. i havent seen the coalition trying to post "oh we did lose 45 dreads, but it was all worth it". I did see however lots of people posting "yeah.. they killed the pos, but for what? loss of 50 dreads? lol". Now who is making the excuse here please? Originally by: Tweedle Dum This coalition would do better to take 2 months off and reorganize and repurpose this fight. Right now they're making a mockery of what greatness is, and spending every waking minute on the forums trying to convince everyone that they're accomplishing something. "Alright guys, time to pack our stuff and head home. Master Tweelde Dum thinks we need to reorganize. Plus we should be ashamed of how we look to the public." Yeah, im sure this is the kind of discussion going on between coalition memebers right now.. oh wait, maybe even not. Originally by: Tweedle Dum This war is a joke, and I really can't believe I sided with the North for so long. Those boys might want to start practicing what they preach! I for one - even though not playing the game on the alliance level anymore - am glad that the north has one less like you. Some of the reasons for the war might be irrational, but i can assure you they are not a joke. One thing is certain.. BOB failed to defend a POS they were actively defending. I can't remember this has ever happened to them. Plus if the coalition would have been able to bring the full weight of its forces into the system, then BOB would have been either pwned badly or forced to retreat as they were simply outnumbered like 3 to 1 or so AFAIK. Luckily for them, the nodes are capped and even without that they would never be able to accomodate forces of this size in their current state. Then again, this is all "what would have been" which normally has no place in history. Still.. considering the initial odds and the circumstances, i say BOB is very lucky with this outcome as it could only have been worser for them. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:50:00 - [89] Neutral observer believes BoB won that fight. Legion of stupid then brands him a BoB alt. Seen this before? Why, of course. Do you honestly believe BoB flood this forum with alts from random corps all over Eve so people will say they won x fight in y system? It's a fact BoB "won" in F-TE1T, regardless of what the Coalition believe they "achieved", just because this guy has his eyes open and isn't screaming KILL BOB THEY R CHEATERS doesn't in any way mean he's a BoB alt. Use your brains kids. Website Recruiting
csebal Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Feynmen I've only been playing a month in a neutral (as far as I know) corp. In that month, this is what I know: 1) There is a large corp named BoB. 2) BoB has been accused of everything and anything known to man. 3) BoB is at war bacause the players in the coalition apparently want to take BoB down a notch or 200. Now the things I have HEARD about BoB could fill the next 2 pages of this thread, but unless I have proof of any of it, I'm not going to assume any of it is true. It (and even more) is true. Proof? Because i just told you so, and im an honest man. :) Oh well.. its 1st of April isnt it? In reality probably only 25% or even less of what BOB is accused with can be true, and i doubt that even that could be backed up by hard evidience. Let's just say, that there is an interesting string of coincidences surrounding BOB's history, which made a few people - coupled with the recent proof that at least some of the suspected cheats were true - quite mad. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN

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