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Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:37:00 - [31] Originally by: nistro666 I'm a big ******* liar. 1) I'm an alt. 2) My main is fighting against the coalition 3) I'm about as neutral as Rupert Murdoch 4) Did I mention I'm a liar yet? Turns out that after a bit more investigation, this guys main is fighting against the coalition. So he's far from neutral. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:38:00 - [32] Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 19:34:59 Originally by: Stamm Originally by: nistro666 3) I'm about as neutral as Rupert Murdoch ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:43:00 - [33] Hehehe, "neutral"........ A better some up (from someone who wasn't actually there; this is just gathered from forum spam) might be: Dreadnoughts jump in and attack POS. BoB fleet jump in and attack the Dreadnoughts. 90% of the coalition fleet in support ships tries to jump in to pop BoB's capital fleet (pretty standard POS warfare tactics, really, just bigger) and are stopped by a 700 ship cap that no-one knew about. BoB clean up the undefended Dreads, but not before they manage to pop the POS. According to my mental mathematics, 50 dreads (insured) still comes to considerably less than a foetal Titan (uninsured). Victory? The coalition achieved it's goal, and BoB killed a lot of dreads. So everyones happy. Who showed the skill and talent and deserves merit, though? In your post you tell us that all the Coalition did was spam the system, while the heroic BoB skillfully blast them out of the sky (300 stylee). What I see, however, is that a small vulnerable section of the Coalition fleet was all that managed to get in, and BoB happily set about popping the undefended ships while the warfleet sat helplessly a few systems away. And they STILL managed to get their task done. So I would say the Coalition displayed the skill, and BoB are all lame. Well no, I wouldn't say that. BoB were very skilled, and battled against the odds. The Coalition was also very skilled, and battled against a whole different set of odds. Both sides did very well in the bizarre circumstances, and both achieved a victory by their own standards. So can we stop with all this brainless "X did awesome, Y are brainless stooges" stuff? --------
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. 1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs And lets think, how many people would know or remember this? A regular hotch potch of players or one full of gms and devs? Wow, I nominate thee for tin-foil poster-child of the month. What, did the bob-dev-haxploiters erase the RL memory of every non-member after the dev blog was put up? Did they also erase that part of your memory where common sense (and civility...) resides? If you want to beat on BoB because they got some BPO's (which were later removed) from someone on the development team please do, because that actually happened. The rest of this stuff just makes you look like you are coming up with silly excuses. Why do you need to make an excuse, the POS/shipyard is blown up, right? JP http://www.evereserve.com
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin fin anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer POS killing is as fun as eating your own leg. And IAC drinks the most beer. ------- Someone from MC peer-pressured me to smoke pot, now I'm cool. Everything* I say represents my corporation and their views.
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2007.03.30 19:47:00 - [36] From this neutral observers view I can't tell who won the battle, but it is quite clear to me that CCP lost.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:04:00 - [37] 36th post in a blatant alt thread. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:06:00 - [38] bob: got to pew pew ~50 capitals and got ~50 explosions. lost a titan likely funded by a single person(entity?). coalition: blew up a pos, killed a bob supercap fetus(odds are it be a titan). got lagged to hell and kerploded left and right while staring at login screens. its clear who had more fun. thats all i would/do care about.
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:07:00 - [39] I miss Husari Painen -------------- Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
darkfuntime Minmatar ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:11:00 - [40] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. I think the whole monkey thing proves that you are a bob alt.You should rename your post to Muttering from a bob alt

nistro666 Bald Man industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:35:00 - [41] Ah, the monkey thing, that MUST mean i'm a bob alt, surely... monkeys....!
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:45:00 - [42] Originally by: JP Moregain ...If you want to beat on BoB because they got some BPO's (which were later removed) from someone on the development team please do, because that actually happened... JP Quality material right there.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:45:00 - [43] Originally by: JP Moregain ...If you want to beat on BoB because they got some BPO's (which were later removed) from someone on the development team please do, because that actually happened... JP Quality material right there.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:53:00 - [44] Congratulations! you've just won the Minigin Prize for the most neutral neutral who was able to be totally neutral and neutrally assess the fight in a totally neutral and unbiased post. To collect your prize please report to Airaken: the impro warehouse Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:53:00 - [45] Congratulations! you've just won the Minigin Prize for the most neutral neutral who was able to be totally neutral and neutrally assess the fight in a totally neutral and unbiased post. To collect your prize please report to Airaken: the impro warehouse Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:02:00 - [46] I think it's frickin' annoying that all those bloody 1-man corps pop up and start stupid "unbiased" (lol) threads. When CCP started banning noob-corp alts, these forums became a bit calmer. Now, we're back to square one because every idiot can just created a 1-man corp and can start one stupid bait thread after another. It doesn't matter if you're BoB or the coalition. PLEASE quit posting with obvious 1-man corp alts!!! Everyone who's involved has picked a side, so if you wanna voice your opinion, do it with your main. _______________
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:03:00 - [47] As my younger brother once told me... Whatever, minger. ----------
Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:06:00 - [48] BORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Noshi Amarr Formula-X	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:15:00 - [49] OP is a Bob alt fanboi.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Minigin on 30/03/2007 21:29:16 double post if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk

Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Karrimdra Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Mmhmm. Neutral. Yeah. so, he doesnt side with the "surprise sex train havnt brakes" thus he is not neutral, seems to be your pov. you my friend... are retarded... you win the Minigin Prize for gulibility... a neutral post is ment to shed light on both sides. in this conflict there is obviously a lot of dark area that a neutral would never know about. so a neutral would say something like this "The coalition had a goal... and they achieved it. BoB killed 50 capitals... who won? noone can really tell... we dont know what was really inside the pos..." not... "omg bob hax4rz youzorz! cos tehy are so much more awsome than youse guyz dawgz... im totaly neutralzorz! you all are against me because i like bob and want to hop in bed with them" if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk
Lasakywa Caldari Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:46:00 - [52] Edited by: Lasakywa on 30/03/2007 21:51:55 Edited by: Lasakywa on 30/03/2007 21:43:25 "This is how the BoB/Coalition fight looks from a bob observer." Corrected :) So, why do you spam us with your useless topic ? Maybe you bob are angry to lose this so little pos
Heilongjiang YASA.	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:54:00 - [53] Edited by: Heilongjiang on 30/03/2007 21:51:01 It takes stones to do what amounts to knowngly Leroy a whole gaggle of dreads in to kill a Foetal Titan. On the other hand it takes zero stones to sneak up in an alt frigate and smartbomb a logging Titan. Ah forgot to say well done guys.
Tweedle Dum Gallente Empire Quality Control	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Tweedle Dum on 30/03/2007 21:52:47 Originally by: Gidien Kane I agree with a few points the OP made. He underestimates the work that goes into an op like yesterdays which showed that the coalition can work together and THAT was a victory on it's own. Loosing 40+ caps is not a victory or fun, stop trying to justify it. There was a lot of good ground gained yesterday just not in the battlefield. They key word would have to be sustainment. No, signs that a coalition can work together means support in the rough times. Signs that a coalition is coming together means having these numbers from each alliance for a 2am eve op. Signs that a coalition is working together means having some form of control over what your allies do. What you saw here was 6 major alliances hoping that they could be part of some "epic" even and showing up for a part of the glory. You don't prove yourselves in times of great glory, you prove yourselves in far lesser of times. What I see coming from this even is a lot of people from the coalition saying they'll never participate in this style fight again. I see a coalition looking for every excuse as to why losing ~45 dreads means nothing to them. I see a coalition praying to god that there was really a titan in that station or else. This coalition would do better to take 2 months off and reorganize and repurpose this fight. Right now they're making a mockery of what greatness is, and spending every waking minute on the forums trying to convince everyone that they're accomplishing something. They can take the time to throw the past back at BoB about forum wars. But how can they possibly justify themselves because of what someone else did before that they dispised. It's worse in fact, that they are repeating the very thing they detested, because they of all people should know how loathsome it is. This war is a joke, and I really can't believe I sided with the North for so long. Those boys might want to start practicing what they preach!
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:02:00 - [55] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Phelan Lore The coalition losses were due to CCP. Rumor has it that F-T was capped at 700 players by a GM. F-T was already full with just the defenders and the coalition cap fleet, it was impossible to get the coalition support fleet in to get tacklers off of our dreads. I personally got stuck jumping into D-3, still 3 jumps away from F-T. 1stly: the system cap was introduced in a dev blog 9 (nine, a pregnancy ago) month ago. If you do not read it. Your fault. not theirs It's never been enforced previously. Jita does not adhere to it, XZH did not, JV1V did not - not even fleets approaching JV1V had this rule imposed on them. It's been arbitrarily enforced after the system was put on a single node and this was explicitly stated. At this rate of willy-nilly enforcement, you might as well ban all coalition cynoalts in the middle of an OP. It is indeed against the EULA to share these, so clearly it's our fault and not anyone elses if they get banned at a pivotal time. Quote: 2ndly: d-3 is 2j away from F-T. and we were sitting in K-6. the system between d-3 and f-t. Upwards of 900 coalition were stuck in the constellation approaching F-T, and nothing near that many BoB-allies. Which is another glorious move - reinforcing and capping (so it can't possibly go down) the target system, and leaving the approaching constellation for anyone jumpbridging completely ready to be raped. That's great, so we can't approach support via non-jumpbridge - and even when we do jumpbridge or bring extra capitals, the system is capped. You do realize about half the coalitions Dreadnought losses were an hour or more after the fight, right ? Because they finally got queued in, after the PoS had died, never loaded their system and just sat somewhere in F-T, most likely without knowing it. It's really downright deliberate sabotage and nothing else. And we still won. And yet you still try to deny a loss that has been retardedly easy to verify. Good job, have your duncecap.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Fun Inc	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:06:00 - [56] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. This commonly held assumption is silly. There was no guareentee of a kill. With massive lag, people crashing, a huge defending fleet to kill dreads plus rep pos it was quite possible the attackers could have failed horribly. With the system capped at 700 if the defenders had had a few more then the attack would obviously have failed as not enough attacker could have got in. If more attacking dreads had crashed/lagged out Bob and allies would have achieved the greatest victory in the history of Eve. On the 700 cap it would seem the defenders didn't know about these either, despite claims otherwise, as surely they would have just stuck 700 in system and it is the end of the attack. ] Does anyone else spot the obvious problem if the 700 rule is standard? If you want to defend a pos coming out of reinforced 700 nub ships should do the job. This can't be right? So it would seem that the attackers pulled off a lucky one and Bob et al missed a golden opportunity. If the Bob side had put a few more ships into the system then the attackers would have been killed for nothing. So it would seem that despite all the conspiracies Bob was unaware of this loophole. I would like to hope that the 700 cap is not the norm but a GM's response to a specific situation. If it is standard it is so broken it is crazy. However if it was a one off then its still really messed up and sooooo open to abuse. Those cheering it from the pro-Bob side would do well to acknowledge that this is a can of worms and leaves the future of major poss assaults firmly in the GM's hands - where they should not be. Like people say there is a major problem in how alliance warfare is supposed to work. Kudos to both sides on an epic battle.
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:08:00 - [57] Originally by: nistro666 Edited by: nistro666 on 30/03/2007 18:53:40 To start, gather 50-100+ dreadnoughts and attack a pos, it's going to go down and there is nothing the defenders can do about it. A dreadnought fleet of this size even if piloted by monkeys would be able to take down it's target. You simply warp or jump in, turn on your siege mode, turn on your repairers, lock the pos and start firing, then you twiddle your fingers (or eat some bananas, swing from some vines etc, i'm getting a funny mental image of monkeys swinging on vines with bananas in their hands, in a room full of computers) until the pos is dead. That's all there is to it. We all knew that pos was going to die, there could have been no other outcome, pick any pos in EVE that is coming out of reinforced mode and attack it with that many Dreadnoughts and no amount of defenders will be able to keep it alive, it's going to die, end of story. I hear they lost up to 50 capital ships whilst bob lost none atall, that doesn't seem like a victory to me, especially if there was no titan in building, even if there was, bob still come out on top in terms of isk vs losses. However you could say a 3rd titan would have been a nice little extra advantage for BoB so that's the only thing that really could make the loss of 50 capital ships even slightly worthwhile. The coalition stacked their chances of achieving victory to 100% by using as many dreads as they did. I am seeing some people claim that BoB didn't want the pos to die, so there must have been something good inside building? How do you know this? If i can figure out that keeping the pos alive is impossible against such a large number of Dreadnoughts, then i'm sure the minds behind BoB figured it out aswell. They took full advantage of the situation and caused as much damage as they could, the largest number of capitals ever destroyed in a single fight in the history of EVE, by far. Have highlighted a few parts for you Mr "Neutral" grow a pair and post with your main. gee
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:11:00 - [58] Edited by: Frygok on 30/03/2007 22:07:39 Originally by: Tweedle Dum Edited by: Tweedle Dum on 30/03/2007 21:52:47 Quote: This war is a joke, and I really can't believe I sided with the North for so long. Those boys might want to start practicing what they preach! Please explain to me who they can practice what they preach, when the vast majority of their fleet, heck even their cap fleet, is stuck away from the actual system? Should they learn to "not jump if there if 600 enemies in the system" or should they "wait, don't warp in, the node might crash"? BoB freaking made their own enemies, now they have to freaking deal with them. THEY made the choice of becoming the strongest diplomatic power of EVE(and huge respect for you guys to do this). But then, you also have to accept that people are ****ed off at you(which BOB does, yet their allies apparently call "blobbing", because BOB is outnumbered). The Coalition practiced what they preached. They have been referred to as "worse than ASCN", "never to have 0.0 space again", "logoffski's" and whatnot, yet apparently they still managed to jump head on into what would be death, lag and smack. Sadly, the smack so far has not been from BOB, but from all their allies. CCP made this game, they decided for cap fleets and huge support fleets. Now their own hardware fails. Not the fault of the players, no matter how you want your post to be "I used to like the Coalition, but now I hatez them!". Finally, I would like to state that I personally have a huge respect for BOB, and a majority of their allies. Last night showed that both sides want to fight, and want to have fun. Sadly the game doesn't permit that. Respect. Frygok
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:11:00 - [59] I am detecting a lot of hostile emotion and sweaty armpits from the BOB t-shirt brigade. Considering the pos was empty and BOB killed eleventy one allied cap ships I am curious as to why all the alts and t-shirts are so upset. Rhetorical btw, so I won't be checking the thread again for the inevitable.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Ace Frehley To be honest, I¦m gettin f*in anoyed about this killratio and who killed most isk value, WHO CARES!!???? If i had a dread I wold gladly sacriface it just for the fun, and i think everyone who jumped in their did it for fun, not for a feckin ratio or if it really was a titan there... So please drop the useless isksink cost here and there.. it doesent matter, what matter is, who drinks most beer The funny thing is that this is the reason that your corp was kicked from it's last alliance. Isk loss matters as it's the only thing that can be truley measured in terms of achivment, if you keep loosing 250% more isk than your targets then sooner or later you won't be able to field the ships you need to compete. The coalition IMO failed, yes they achived there aim but do the means justifie the end?



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