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Smelt Down	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:42:00 - [1] What about creating a midslot item that is like a reverse gyro, lowering damage and ROF. It is not unbalanced because A) it is easily countered with a gyro, and B) Targets can still fight back, so I don't think it would be any stronger than something like a sensor damp. I don't know what numbers would be best to use, maybe 15% for T1 and 20% for T2? Currently all minmitar EW ships (bellicose, huginn, rapier) have a completely wasted bonus due to target painting. The vigil does too, but who cares about EW frigates. This follows the rest of the races EW that has a unique way at limiting damage. Caldari = jamming, gallente = sensor damp, amarr = tracking disrupt, and minmitar = damage reduce. Target painters are completely useless. People can say that in a fleet you can target a ship and then target paint it so others can target it quicker, but due to lag, and the fact that target painters don't do all that much (35% for best named? it would need to be 400% to have any noticable effect), combined with how fast people die in large battles without target painters, they would change nothing. Even without bonuses you would ALWAYS be better off going with a sensor damp or tracking disruptor. Why not replace target painters with this item?
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.30 23:48:00 - [2] While you're basically right about TPs sucking, there are a few situations where they rule. Have someone in your gang use torps instead of cruise, or fly a Huginn with heavy missiles and a TP. There are definately situations where a TP can make a big difference in your DPS, I dont know about the whole targetting faster thing, seems kind of a dumb reason to equip one.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:02:00 - [3] leave my target painter alone
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 01:52:00 - [4] What painters need is a secondary effect that reduces the target's resistances by a slight amount. TD and damps have secondary effects, jamming does not but a successful jam means the target cannot fire. In order to have the same power as other EW this is what is needed. Raptor and Ares Fix
Aleis Minmatar Playboy Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:34:00 - [5] Honestly with Minmitar Philosophy why not a boost to tracking computers / enhancers, we need those anyway. Gang Assist Guide
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:48:00 - [6] Originally by: HankMurphy leave my target painter alone innit, target painters are the win
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:51:00 - [7] Edited by: VanNostrum on 31/03/2007 18:48:05 Originally by: Spaced Skunk Originally by: HankMurphy leave my target painter alone innit, target painters are the win that's a joke right? what good is +35% on a 25m signature radius inty?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:57:00 - [8] Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 31/03/2007 18:48:05 Originally by: Spaced Skunk Originally by: HankMurphy leave my target painter alone innit, target painters are the win that's a joke right? what good is +35% on a 25m signature radius inty? Good if you have 3 and webbers,if you make him unable to move fast and the size of a small destroyer in his inty it is officially worthless. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Snikkt Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:47:00 - [9] I love Target painters, personally. They're a really nifty mod to have, especially when engaging smaller ships. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
Ziu Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:53:00 - [10] Rule of thumb: if your CEO flies a raven and you want love, fly a rapier or huginn.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:15:00 - [11] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 31/03/2007 18:48:05 Originally by: Spaced Skunk Originally by: HankMurphy leave my target painter alone innit, target painters are the win that's a joke right? what good is +35% on a 25m signature radius inty? Good if you have 3 and webbers,if you make him unable to move fast and the size of a small destroyer in his inty it is officially worthless. Even with 3 TP you increase a claw's signature to 51m which is hardly destroyer size With 3 webbers you decrease inty velocity to 5-10m/s anyway, why need a TP unless you're firing missiles?
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2007.04.01 19:57:00 - [12] What they need to remove is the "Target Painters have no effect while the target is using it's MWD"-penalty. Otherwise I wan't a similair restriction on other EW modules. No Tracking Disruptors because I am firing my guns, no Sensor Damp since I have a sensor booster running, and no Sensor Jamm since I have an active lock. Things like that.... it's all in the details. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
William Hamilton	Posted - 2007.04.01 20:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa What they need to remove is the "Target Painters have no effect while the target is using it's MWD"-penalty. Otherwise I wan't a similair restriction on other EW modules. No Tracking Disruptors because I am firing my guns, no Sensor Damp since I have a sensor booster running, and no Sensor Jamm since I have an active lock. Things like that.... it's all in the details. QFT! Other than things being immune to target painters becasue they are already too big the module is preety good. Remember, when using oversized weapons a +35% to sig radius directly translates into +35% damage/sec!
Songlian Capsuleers inc	Posted - 2007.04.01 20:36:00 - [14] Edited by: Songlian on 01/04/2007 20:32:19 Originally by: Ziu Rule of thumb: if your CEO flies a raven, your corp probably gets owned at lot. Fixed it for you.
Deimos Regal Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:46:00 - [15] I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. While TP aren't that usefull solo, they are awesome in gangs.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:03:00 - [17] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 31/03/2007 18:48:05 Originally by: Spaced Skunk Originally by: HankMurphy leave my target painter alone innit, target painters are the win that's a joke right? what good is +35% on a 25m signature radius inty? Good if you have 3 and webbers,if you make him unable to move fast and the size of a small destroyer in his inty it is officially worthless. Even with 3 TP you increase a claw's signature to 51m which is hardly destroyer size With 3 webbers you decrease inty velocity to 5-10m/s anyway, why need a TP unless you're firing missiles? You don't need TP's to hit an inty because with his MWD engaged, his sig radius is already the size of a cruiser.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:11:00 - [18] a bellicose/huginn/rapier with minmatar cruiser V "requirement for the latter 2", and signature focusing IV will increase the enemy's sig 49.5% each. 3 of them webbed down with the huginn/rapier's webifier bonus and that ceptor is #@$#ed. ______________________ Interested?
Dr Therikal	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:31:00 - [19] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. I love how you cut out his last line, which is the line you should reread.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Dr Therikal Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. I love how you cut out his last line, which is the line you should reread. Hi, alt post! His last line said that TP's are useful in gangs. I didn't think that statement made any difference in my argument or his. But since you point it out, please explain how the presence or absence of that last line changes things in my hypothetical situation described above.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:57:00 - [21] Damage reduce module will be the next 'must fit' module for any ship with half-decent tank setup. ---
Taurevanime	Posted - 2007.04.02 02:14:00 - [22] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. Say you're both in a Tempest, the signature radius on that ship is 340m, the signature resolution of your guns is 400m. If all conditions are perfect for accuracy for both of you (range and speed and angle) he will still miss you sometimes to do reduced damage. While your one TP increases his resolution to 452m, meaning you not only get more hits you also get more critical hits on him. So it makes a difference though it's not as noticable as the other race EW. As stated TP are for gang use not for solo unless you're flying a missile boat. With that said I like the idea about TP and it's suits the Minmatar, focusing on doing more damage to the enemy as opposed to reducing the ammount of damage the enemy deals.
Mathias Orsen	Posted - 2007.04.02 02:41:00 - [23] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. Even in a 1 vs 1 fight between two BSs, the TP becomes very noticable. Basically, what it does is take all your "lightly hits" and moves them up to the next level. Misses become hits, and hits become better hits. Just think of a blasterthron that gets nothing but Excellent hits or better on you. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.02 02:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Mathias Orsen Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. Even in a 1 vs 1 fight between two BSs, the TP becomes very noticable. Basically, what it does is take all your "lightly hits" and moves them up to the next level. Misses become hits, and hits become better hits. Just think of a blasterthron that gets nothing but Excellent hits or better on you. Empirical proof or STFU!
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.02 02:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Taurevanime Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. Say you're both in a Tempest, the signature radius on that ship is 340m, the signature resolution of your guns is 400m. If all conditions are perfect for accuracy for both of you (range and speed and angle) he will still miss you sometimes to do reduced damage. While your one TP increases his resolution to 452m, meaning you not only get more hits you also get more critical hits on him. So it makes a difference though it's not as noticable as the other race EW. As stated TP are for gang use not for solo unless you're flying a missile boat. With that said I like the idea about TP and it's suits the Minmatar, focusing on doing more damage to the enemy as opposed to reducing the ammount of damage the enemy deals. Can it be mathematically substantiated that TP increae the "quality" of your hits?
WYLEE C0Y0TE Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.02 08:28:00 - [26] Edited by: WYLEE C0Y0TE on 02/04/2007 08:25:20 Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Taurevanime Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. Say you're both in a Tempest, the signature radius on that ship is 340m, the signature resolution of your guns is 400m. If all conditions are perfect for accuracy for both of you (range and speed and angle) he will still miss you sometimes to do reduced damage. While your one TP increases his resolution to 452m, meaning you not only get more hits you also get more critical hits on him. So it makes a difference though it's not as noticable as the other race EW. As stated TP are for gang use not for solo unless you're flying a missile boat. With that said I like the idea about TP and it's suits the Minmatar, focusing on doing more damage to the enemy as opposed to reducing the ammount of damage the enemy deals. Can it be mathematically substantiated that TP increae the "quality" of your hits? News Flash Originally by: Kaylee Zara The only way to know for sure is to try it out yourself and see what you think rather than listening to what the sheep army thinks.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.02 09:02:00 - [27] stop dissing targetpainters, theyre awesome mods for those that know how to use them Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.02 10:31:00 - [28] Usage for TP is.. bellicose with 2 webs 2 TP with max skills. Selecta BS. Stop it and make it be 92% bigger.. then call a friendly dread on siege at 150km to fire at it... If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.02 10:41:00 - [29] How about if TP's also give a slight resistance to Tracking Disruptors, Sensor Dampeners and ECM V's the Target that you have target painted? Now that could make TP's on equal terms.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.02 16:51:00 - [30] Originally by: WYLEE C0Y0TE Edited by: WYLEE C0Y0TE on 02/04/2007 08:25:20 Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Taurevanime Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Deimos Regal I think a lot of people don't know that TP help every weapon. Not just missiles. Everything that does damage be it missiles, guns, or drones, uses sig radius of a target to determine chance to hit and damage dealt. So, by fitting a TP you increase all of your damage. Ok. Lets say I have a battleship with large guns and a TP. I'm fighting another battleship that has the same type of weapons as mine but he doesn't have a TP. Please explain to me what my advantage is. Actually, don't bother. I already know the answer. I'm actually at a disadvantage because I just wasted a midslot on a module that doesn't help me in any way. Say you're both in a Tempest, the signature radius on that ship is 340m, the signature resolution of your guns is 400m. If all conditions are perfect for accuracy for both of you (range and speed and angle) he will still miss you sometimes to do reduced damage. While your one TP increases his resolution to 452m, meaning you not only get more hits you also get more critical hits on him. So it makes a difference though it's not as noticable as the other race EW. As stated TP are for gang use not for solo unless you're flying a missile boat. With that said I like the idea about TP and it's suits the Minmatar, focusing on doing more damage to the enemy as opposed to reducing the ammount of damage the enemy deals. Can it be mathematically substantiated that TP increae the "quality" of your hits? News Flash Your "news flash" is not on point. I know about the turret guide. Nothing in there says anything about a bigger signature radius giving you higher quality hits. As far as I know if your guns already have a signature resolution of 400, it doesn't matter if your target has a signature radius of 400 or 1000000000. So my question remains.

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