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Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 So we have some coalition that are thrilled to death that they only spent 30-50 dreads on destroying that titan. And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. But the coalition? That is something I don't understand in the slightest. They drag themselves across the entire galaxy to wage war against a brick wall and they confidently proclaim that thier unity is unquestionable. They have become the mighty fist of all eve that has banded together to smash BOB. They loose 50 dreads and they say 'It was nothing! We can replace that easilly!' Who can? Who exactly? Is D2 going to replace each capital ship that allied groups threw away for thier war? They've said it time and again '50 dreads! Pfffft!' How easy it must be to throw away the assets of another. But the allies of D2 aren't in question here. I understand why they are helping D2. What I don't understand is why D2 is using that aid for such a pointless war. What if the coalition wins? Does the coalition REALLY expect thousands upon thousands of ACTIVE players to suddenly recieve some glorious defeat which convinces them that they have to go and live in empire? Does D2 really believe it is going to take all of BOB space for itself and devide it up evenly among it's newfound friends? I've asked before if anyone had considered whether or not this war will ever end. I ask you now to consider whether or not we have even seen the start of it. D2 and Iron and friends have been in Bobspace before. Back then they were called G alliance. They took the same stations and faught the same battles with the same people in similiar ways. (There were no titans back then) That was a year ago and even then we spoke not of G's sudden anger towards bob, but of thier 'rehashing' of hostillities which were even older. I was sieging a POS today and I got a sudden feeling of Deja Vu. Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is like the 4th time in 4 years and it didn't work the last 3 times. If the coalition is defeated, will D2 be back in a year with a new name? I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about?
Fearless Sheep Caldari 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:08:00 - [2] You know why you fight. So does everyone in this war. You have your reasons, I have mine. Lets keep in on that level. <3 Coalition
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:18:00 - [3] It's about doing the plex's in delve. We are tired of our crap plex's up north.
Masooma Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Fred0 It's about doing the plex's in delve. We are tired of our crap plex's up north. Thats if RA let you...
Frantico Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Frantico on 31/03/2007 09:16:52 HAHA they wont suspect it a 4th time thats why it will work ! its a cunning plan
Lux Aeterna Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:24:00 - [6] i would venture to say its about having fun, crazy thought huh? if only eve were a game.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:25:00 - [7] Everybody will be back in a year! if BoB loose => BoB will be back if D2 loose => D2 will be back => only the name of the one that lost will change! You ask why?!? Because we pay for a game to phewphew! We all want to win or loose against the best. When you ask, why is all this senseless destruction all around? All that destruction is fruitless and not logical!!! => go play WoW (hey, the name is silly, if you think longer about it... World of WARCRAFT... )
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Gordon Red Everybody will be back in a year! You ask why?!? Because we pay for a game to phewphew! We all want to win or loose against the best. I want to believe that. I really do. I want to believe that becuase it is the simplest answer. It paints a picture of people standing around going 'What do you want to do?' 'I don't know, what do you want to do?' 'Beats me, what do you want to do?' 'Well we haven't attacked Bob in a while' 'Hey, you guys attacking Bob?' 'Yeah' 'Yep!' 'Hey let me get in on that, I missed out on it last year' Can that really be all there is to it? Just a small group of bored CEOs that get together with bored CEOs on the other side of the galaxy and pick a fight.... becuase they need something to do?
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? Paying CCP ú10 a month to shoot ships in a space game? Thats what it is about for me don't know about anyone else gee
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Gordon Red Everybody will be back in a year! ... because they need something to do? Hm, from my experience 50% of the world plays a game to win and the other 50% for the sake of playing (with friends and such).

Snowcrow Minmatar Lyonesse. Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:42:00 - [11] Do they really need a reason to fight except of the fun? It`s a PvP game, they like PvP the producers and miners have lots of work through the war, for what do you build Battleships/Capital Fleets when u don`t wanna use (and loose) it. I don`t get why people are always asking for the reasons why people are playing this game how it`s meant to be played and how those people want it to play (i think BoB is also not unhappy to have action)...
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob? When it comes down to it, we can all pewpew anytime we want, where ever we are and we have countless nieghbors to invade. There is a definate undercurrent here. But I would rather believe it is for simple fun. I would like nothing more than to engage you all in an all out gankfest and have no hard feelings at the end of the day. Whatever the reason for this may be, we should really move it towards an atmosphere of friendly fun.
Snowcrow Minmatar Lyonesse. Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:01:00 - [13] Yeah, you`re right^^ i can`t understand all this hate either... Maybe some strange kind of fun for some people or maybe for some the game is more than a game or(no flame, i think everyone of us knows these feelings when a really expensive ship of yours gets destroyed)... whatever i really have no answer o_O I guess that`s one of the secrets of online games we never get to know:D
Kam SingDu'k Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:09:00 - [14] I think part of it is for sheer challenge, after all, that why we game BoB claim to be the best alliance, able to crush the rest of the universe and world domination blah blah The other 0.0 entities want to challenge this claim, banding together and fighting againt BoB (amongst other reasons). We all know that fighting against bob is a big challenge, even for the D2/Ra and assosiated rapetrain, no overstatement here. Remember, most of the players of the coalition do not really hate you. I'm sure if you went on their comms they would treat you like any normal respectable human being. It's just in game fun thats all . And about the 50 so called dreads BoB managed to kill. It may seem like a huge amount of dreads to lose for a single alliance like BoB. But remember, the Coalition are actually a group of alliances, some larger than BoB itself. I didn't see any of the alliances losing more than 10 dreads themselves. Therefore damage was spread out to the benefit of the coalition. Each alliance repaying the damage of say 7 dreads each is much more attractive than a single entity replacing a capital yard. It's all in perspective
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:12:00 - [15] We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:20:00 - [16] Edited by: welsh wizard on 31/03/2007 10:19:02 nm
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? At the risk of sounding overly dramatic, it is commonly seen by the coalition as a fight for EVE itself. The hate comes from the fact that BoB, whether or not they were aware of it, were cheating. BoB did receive illicit help from GMs, Devs, and other employees of CCP. The game was rigged in favor of BoB, no matter how you look at it. If the Coalition wins, it will be seen as proof that the hardworking, determined, and LEGITIMATE players can go face to face with cheaters and still win. Now let me make it perfectly clear that I don't believe the average BoB pilot knew about any cheating. If anybody knew, I believe it was only a select few in the upper ranks of the alliance. So while I think it's unfair to accuse the entire alliance of cheating, many people see it that way nonetheless. Repeated incidents involving BoB and CCP employees have cast a big shadow over BoB...one I don't think they will be able to escape from unless they are beaten. That's why it matters who wins. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:29:00 - [18] Your history is a bit off tbh but nvm. Anyway to your question. The Unquestionable War. No questions then, no answers needed. Life is a bed of roses, but watch out for the Priks
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:13:00 - [19] From point of view, the determination of the coalition is proportionnal not to the fun that it provides (loging screen is no fun), but to the number of backstab, trichery, arrogance, forum spam, trolling, flamming, smacking, ... made by BoB. I guess that only old players understand why many pilots do not want any BoB pilot in this game anymore. Only old players understand why we say 'yes please' when asking for suicide volonteers to kill some BoB assets :) - Did you noticed that a pendulum does not swing in deep space ?
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:14:00 - [20] Freedom? You think we fight bob for freedom? If I'm gunna get my balls blown off for a word.. my words gunna be poontang. Memento Mori.

Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:26:00 - [21] i think there are 3 reasons that the coalition is together... 1. a shipment of quaffe mestiously disapeared in delve last year and needs to be retrieved before its expirey date (this christmas) 2. all the best exotic dancers work out of querious 3. to get bob moved elsewhere on the map so that more plex's can be installed! Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Chronojam Gallente Mom's Friendly Robots	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:26:00 - [22] Glory through participation in massive and unforgettable campaigning and alliance combat. Justice against what is seen as present injustice with the background of unforgettable scandal. New lands acquired via what will likely be an unforgettable invasion and asset relocation. Pew pew and killmails set against an unforgettable amount of node crashes and forum trumpeting. Mining sucks compared to this. Check all that apply, good sirs.
Breisies Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak agreed
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Voculus on 31/03/2007 11:26:44 Quote: I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I'm fighting to kill BoB. Quote: I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? It's about throwing off the yoke of fascism, and making the galaxy a better place. Quote: Is D2 going to replace each capital ship that allied groups threw away for thier war? Ships are only good if you use them. If you buy them, but don't use them, then that is the bigger waste. In any event, nothing was thrown away. A BoB shipyard with a Leviathan Titan within, was destroyed. _________________________________________________________
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:30:00 - [25] i'm trying to work my way up to the e-peen + 5 rig, the components only seem to drop off BOB ships though.
Manic Mole VENOM72 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:36:00 - [26] shooting other players is the most fun thing in eve, any excuse to shoot the best is good enough. a proud member of whatever allince i happen to be in at the time!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Plutoinum on 31/03/2007 11:34:26 Originally by: Fred0 It's about doing the plex's in delve. We are tired of our crap plex's up north. You should better keep your hands off the plexes. RA is watching you. Just joking. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Delthus Species 5618 SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:39:00 - [28] Edited by: Delthus on 31/03/2007 11:36:56 I fight cause lots of pew pew is sexay but -A- might be more sexier its still in debate
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Voculus It's about throwing off the yoke of fascism, and making the galaxy a better place. omg... there is a RL somewhere out there, even for you! (and I don't think that you are roleplaying atm)
munchy Prison Break Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:41:00 - [30] well personally i would like to think of this as the playerbase standing up and saying "we wont stand for cheats" even if ccp cant/wont do anything, the coalition does. wether or not thats true i dont know, but what i do know, is BOB have made it public before that they aim to control all of 0.0, they have become a threat to the point now where the alliances have stopped sitting back and saying "nah, they wont come for us" or "well by the time they come for us, we will be strong enough". i dont think anyone will try to say they can take bob alone, its quite plain and simple they are a force to be reconed with, and the coalition is fighting now to keep their space. it may look like theyre attacking bob but it is simply pre-emptive defense IMO. this of course is all speculation, but i do think the 2nd point is likely to be true. ---



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