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sci0gon Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.04.16 04:40:00 - [151] Originally by: Ivan En'Vec We lost 40 dreads killing the baby titan do you have actual 100% undoubted proof to confirm that it was a titan? I've seen a lot of people spouting about how it was an actual titan that was distroyed yet when BOB showed their version of the proof that it was the wrong pos attacked, while the other pos gave birth to a mom. They started claiming that the pictures used were shoped, yet no actual proof showing that the pos distroyed was actually carrying a embryo of a titan Originally by: Nessa Aldeen Yes. Im sure BOB and the pet that you are are equally 'thrilled' you shot relogged dreads with blank screens. The only thing that is saving BOB atm is massive lag and CCP's servers that are preventing the Coalition from bringing its total combined weight. Be thrilled. From reading previous posts over powering BOB by shear numbers does have its advantages, but it was suggested a few times that you attack bob from multiple fronts which is finally starting to show Iron capturing that station system in querious IAC gaining a few systems south of their present space RAgoons pushing west from omist as for the complaints about lag, i would of thought you would be use to that by now so complaining about lag with the shear amount of players in that area of space is just well a little hypocritical when you should of been well aware of the lag issues when you joined in on this war. Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Father Weebles how bout the northern and southern coalition outnumbering bob + allies by 3:1...so lemme ask you, who's more of a coward? Alts talking about cowardice. Atleast the coalition posts with their mains Originally by: Ramireza Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They lie - We all do this from time to time Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Not only BoB do this Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Now they smack the forums with alts Same as above Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They are arrogant beyond belief Maybe, yes. But thats typical for players that have success in a game. you have my respect ramireza for posting that
Ramireza Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:41:00 - [152] Originally by: sci0gon you have my respect ramireza for posting that Thank you Mr. BoB alt
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:57:00 - [153] delve plexes respawn once a hour... everybody wants to exploit them too. joke aside... i think coalition is fighting because bob claims to be the best of the best.
sci0gon Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.04.16 13:34:00 - [154] Originally by: Ramireza Originally by: sci0gon you have my respect ramireza for posting that Thank you Mr. BoB alt lol i guess my request for valid proof that the coalation actually killed a titan makes you think that. I am mearly interested to see what is the reason that is making you guys so adimant about that pos holding a titan embryo which you distroyed
Veronique deEstelle Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:15:00 - [155] Just some remarks to this post. As usuall these are only my personal blabla.... And I have to add that I m not even involved in this war so my opinion is formed mostly from reading the forums. Originally by: Kingdoc Two quick points: One, these are my veiws and mine alone, not my corps nor anybody elseÆs. Two, everything that follows is moot because the only true answers are on the battlefield. I know that statement will come back to haunt me. Ok, soà A dev may have helped BoB in the past acquire one or more objects in game that helped BoB. Big deal, if you feel that strongly about it then go protest in front of a casino or anywhere else the house has an advantage. Life isnÆt fare, get used to it. Also, from what I gather that dev has been dealt with internally at CCP. I also understand that some or all of the ill gotten booty has been removed from BoB. So its over, let it go. How would you like it if you screwed up at work and someone threw it in your face every day for months? What me bothers is that BoB has obiously some special relationship with CCP or at least with some of their employments. Getting a kown Dev as leader of their capital fleet and using an alt-account of Kieron fairly free around indicates this relationship for me. The BPOs... a well, it is bad but they are removed (even if needed some pressure), the damage is done and at least this is due to let it go. And if you realy stand to: "Life isnt fair. Get over it." why did you post anyway? Originally by: Kingdoc If BoB were to fall the coalition will go right back to fighting there old wars and every BoB member in empire will laugh themselves silly with chants of ôsee! I told you so!ö Actually you dont need to to rely on some BoB member. The Coalition is telling the same. They claim to have only formed to fight BoB and will not form some monolithic powerblock afterwards and instead continue their old strifes. Originally by: Kingdoc * the following may be out of line, mods feel free to snip* I see the coalition kinda like the Americans ôliberatingö (blowing up) the Iraqis (pets/slaves) and ôsecuring (sovrenty)ö there oilfields (10/10 plex's) Funny how you compare... So you are telling that you choose some kind of ****** Hussain as landlord. But he was good to you and you can't understand why not everybody else think that he is a nice guy. I dont think anybody in this conflict can claim to have a clean record, but I do think some guys have more to hide than others.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:34:00 - [156] Originally by: Asylum Seaker Freedom? You think we fight bob for freedom? If I'm gunna get my balls blown off for a word.. my words gunna be poontang. Animal Mother is God.
Karai Kamasu Gallente The Collective of Ascended Beings Insane Asylum	Posted - 2007.04.16 22:26:00 - [157] Six pages of replies and only one person in one post has stated the one and only reason why BoB et al. is under such a vehement attack by so many people at the same time. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Paul Castrin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:17:00 - [158] I don't have time to read all the responses here so I will just give my thoughts on the OP's original question. In the end you have to ask yourself how you feel about the game and what not fighting BoB means. Do you want to see them in defacto control of the majority of free (i.e. non-empire) space? Can you stand on your own two feet or do you need that hand (with or without dagger) at your back propping you up? Are you willing to not take the easy way out and play nice with the 800# gorilla just to get your piece of the pie or can you face it and demand your share? The answers for me and others are: no, yes, and yes in that order. Can you say the same? And that’s why I’m against them. They represent all that is bad in power hungry organizations and governments. They lay claim to areas when in reality they do not hold them, very much like the old USSR and its satellite states. Simply put they are the Warsaw Pact and we are NATO (not the EVE alliance of that name the REAL one) during the cold war only this war got hot. We have our internal problems, we don’t do things as organized as we’d like but we are free. Meanwhile they rule over their flock with an iron fist. And they use that fist on even those that they would call ‘friend’ if they don’t tow the line for them. There are some that label the alliances that live 'under' BoB as pets (or whatever), I'll be honest that I have too on occasion. But you know how happy and willing to shake their hand I'd be if they just said "no this is OUR space not BoB's"? Very. Of course I’d still fight them but at least I’d respect them. Anyway, those that hate BoB and their allies will fight but those that understand that this is a bit more than just hate will stay on for the long run. And if you can get past the talking heads and the haters and see why people are fighting against BoB then you've taken the first step towards true freedom. I hope someday to see you there. Peace. p.s. apologies to any of my fellow Russian players who might have been offended by my candor, I only used the above examples to put things in a clear format. I meant no disrespect.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:27:00 - [159] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. There was a statement by molle, screenshots, and a video. Did I miss something? hilarious.
Don Temujin Mothers of EVE	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:37:00 - [160] [Disclaimer: what's belows is not a list of my own reasons to pick/not pick a side in this conflict. It is an attempt of a summary of what I see as the main motivations for people to engage in the war against BoB, regardless of whether these motivations root in truth, fracts, propaganda or misconceptions.] Pure unaltered Pew Pew: This is a PvP game, people who play it know this is what EVE is about, and the most basic form of PvP here is shooty-shooty. That's enough for many. Also, explosions are fun. Competition: For some, this is about the challenge, as pitting such monstrous forces against each other provides plenty of opportunities for challenging competitive play. Bandwagonery: For some, this is about winning, and they will just jump on the bandwagon they feel is the most likely to be attached to the winning locomotive (those are found on both sides of the conflict, but in view of all the other motivators listed below, I suspect is of lesser importance than what CAOD smack can lead to believe). Personal friendships/grudges: Along their travels and history through EVE, most players build relationships, good or bad with others, and since this is a game/sport, where nobody dies for settling a personal peeve on the battlefield, there is little prevention and every incentive to take that path. By the same token, some people simply side with their in-game pals, because they enjoy playing together, are willing to help, and have no conflicting agenda of their own. Territorial Concerns: It has been made clear by BoB for the longest time their ambition is to rule over all of 0.0, and they showed both the skill, resolve, and growth over time to give credibility to this ambition. It is no surprise that other territorial entities would take exception to this, and come to think BoB has gained such a weight that it must be stopped/reduced before it becomes more than just a potential threat to every territorial alliance in the game. A common threat (perceived as imminent) is enough for people to temporarily overcome their differences and form a coalition in order to resolve this. GoodÖ vs EbilÖ: BoB has gone out of its way to portray the arch-villain hegemon of EVE (both in and around the game), and they've done a nice enough job of it that many players are willing to consider BoB is New Eden's Ebil Incarnate. This has largely benefitted BoB, as looking like invincible villains endowed with the EVE equivalent of super-powers (h4x and CCP favoritism) certainly helps instill doubt and fear in their opponents. But BoB's excellent propaganda machine also drives to arms people who otherwise were content to stay out of alliance warfare, because those are worried about 'BoD' eventually ruining their game enjoyment, and they don't trust CCP anymore to police their game (whether fighting in game can make any difference remains to be seen, but for some, that's all they got to make a statement). There's a 'roleplay' element to it for many (on both sides), but also, much like it happens in sports, a growing resentment against opponents increasingly perceived as 'bad people' who are unworthy of sharing the playground and must therefore be wiped off the face of the game - another trend first started by BoB (against GoonFleet) that is now backfiring. Need for context: Also, some players don't enjoy pew-pew without context, and/or play by the same moral code they have in real life. Those carebears will only get involved in shooty-shooty if they feel confident they are not griefing anyone doing so. BoB provides a valid target (like pirates do), because because both their proclaimed agenda and attitude constitute a waiver to have a go at them with a clear conscience (not to say the Coalition members are angels, but BoB's very vocal 'kneel or perish' stance make things extremely straightforward). Mothers of EVE: We do it for the children. Some words of encouragment for EVE.

Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.04.17 02:20:00 - [161] I'm afraid we're not allowed to post some of the reasons. The mods seem to think by suppressing info people will forget. cought20cough ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:43:00 - [162] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob? When it comes down to it, we can all pewpew anytime we want, where ever we are and we have countless nieghbors to invade. There is a definate undercurrent here. But I would rather believe it is for simple fun. I would like nothing more than to engage you all in an all out gankfest and have no hard feelings at the end of the day. Whatever the reason for this may be, we should really move it towards an atmosphere of friendly fun. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:47:00 - [163] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. There was a statement by molle, screenshots, and a video. Did I miss something? hilarious. Yes. Anyway :) ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.17 05:40:00 - [164] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 17/04/2007 03:56:45 Originally by: Randay Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. There was a statement by molle, screenshots, and a video. Did I miss something? hilarious. Yes. Anyway, if you still beleive what Sir said, go on :) screenshots + fraps = greater than anyones word.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.17 06:54:00 - [165] Locking this as it has run it's course and to avoid futher trolling. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website



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