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Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 So we have some coalition that are thrilled to death that they only spent 30-50 dreads on destroying that titan. And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. But the coalition? That is something I don't understand in the slightest. They drag themselves across the entire galaxy to wage war against a brick wall and they confidently proclaim that thier unity is unquestionable. They have become the mighty fist of all eve that has banded together to smash BOB. They loose 50 dreads and they say 'It was nothing! We can replace that easilly!' Who can? Who exactly? Is D2 going to replace each capital ship that allied groups threw away for thier war? They've said it time and again '50 dreads! Pfffft!' How easy it must be to throw away the assets of another. But the allies of D2 aren't in question here. I understand why they are helping D2. What I don't understand is why D2 is using that aid for such a pointless war. What if the coalition wins? Does the coalition REALLY expect thousands upon thousands of ACTIVE players to suddenly recieve some glorious defeat which convinces them that they have to go and live in empire? Does D2 really believe it is going to take all of BOB space for itself and devide it up evenly among it's newfound friends? I've asked before if anyone had considered whether or not this war will ever end. I ask you now to consider whether or not we have even seen the start of it. D2 and Iron and friends have been in Bobspace before. Back then they were called G alliance. They took the same stations and faught the same battles with the same people in similiar ways. (There were no titans back then) That was a year ago and even then we spoke not of G's sudden anger towards bob, but of thier 'rehashing' of hostillities which were even older. I was sieging a POS today and I got a sudden feeling of Deja Vu. Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is like the 4th time in 4 years and it didn't work the last 3 times. If the coalition is defeated, will D2 be back in a year with a new name? I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about?
Fearless Sheep Caldari 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:08:00 - [2] You know why you fight. So does everyone in this war. You have your reasons, I have mine. Lets keep in on that level. <3 Coalition
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:18:00 - [3] It's about doing the plex's in delve. We are tired of our crap plex's up north.
Masooma Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Fred0 It's about doing the plex's in delve. We are tired of our crap plex's up north. Thats if RA let you...
Frantico Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Frantico on 31/03/2007 09:16:52 HAHA they wont suspect it a 4th time thats why it will work ! its a cunning plan
Lux Aeterna Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:24:00 - [6] i would venture to say its about having fun, crazy thought huh? if only eve were a game.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:25:00 - [7] Everybody will be back in a year! if BoB loose => BoB will be back if D2 loose => D2 will be back => only the name of the one that lost will change! You ask why?!? Because we pay for a game to phewphew! We all want to win or loose against the best. When you ask, why is all this senseless destruction all around? All that destruction is fruitless and not logical!!! => go play WoW (hey, the name is silly, if you think longer about it... World of WARCRAFT... )
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Gordon Red Everybody will be back in a year! You ask why?!? Because we pay for a game to phewphew! We all want to win or loose against the best. I want to believe that. I really do. I want to believe that becuase it is the simplest answer. It paints a picture of people standing around going 'What do you want to do?' 'I don't know, what do you want to do?' 'Beats me, what do you want to do?' 'Well we haven't attacked Bob in a while' 'Hey, you guys attacking Bob?' 'Yeah' 'Yep!' 'Hey let me get in on that, I missed out on it last year' Can that really be all there is to it? Just a small group of bored CEOs that get together with bored CEOs on the other side of the galaxy and pick a fight.... becuase they need something to do?
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? Paying CCP ú10 a month to shoot ships in a space game? Thats what it is about for me don't know about anyone else gee
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Gordon Red Everybody will be back in a year! ... because they need something to do? Hm, from my experience 50% of the world plays a game to win and the other 50% for the sake of playing (with friends and such).

Snowcrow Minmatar Lyonesse. Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:42:00 - [11] Do they really need a reason to fight except of the fun? It`s a PvP game, they like PvP the producers and miners have lots of work through the war, for what do you build Battleships/Capital Fleets when u don`t wanna use (and loose) it. I don`t get why people are always asking for the reasons why people are playing this game how it`s meant to be played and how those people want it to play (i think BoB is also not unhappy to have action)...
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob? When it comes down to it, we can all pewpew anytime we want, where ever we are and we have countless nieghbors to invade. There is a definate undercurrent here. But I would rather believe it is for simple fun. I would like nothing more than to engage you all in an all out gankfest and have no hard feelings at the end of the day. Whatever the reason for this may be, we should really move it towards an atmosphere of friendly fun.
Snowcrow Minmatar Lyonesse. Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:01:00 - [13] Yeah, you`re right^^ i can`t understand all this hate either... Maybe some strange kind of fun for some people or maybe for some the game is more than a game or(no flame, i think everyone of us knows these feelings when a really expensive ship of yours gets destroyed)... whatever i really have no answer o_O I guess that`s one of the secrets of online games we never get to know:D
Kam SingDu'k Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:09:00 - [14] I think part of it is for sheer challenge, after all, that why we game BoB claim to be the best alliance, able to crush the rest of the universe and world domination blah blah The other 0.0 entities want to challenge this claim, banding together and fighting againt BoB (amongst other reasons). We all know that fighting against bob is a big challenge, even for the D2/Ra and assosiated rapetrain, no overstatement here. Remember, most of the players of the coalition do not really hate you. I'm sure if you went on their comms they would treat you like any normal respectable human being. It's just in game fun thats all . And about the 50 so called dreads BoB managed to kill. It may seem like a huge amount of dreads to lose for a single alliance like BoB. But remember, the Coalition are actually a group of alliances, some larger than BoB itself. I didn't see any of the alliances losing more than 10 dreads themselves. Therefore damage was spread out to the benefit of the coalition. Each alliance repaying the damage of say 7 dreads each is much more attractive than a single entity replacing a capital yard. It's all in perspective
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:12:00 - [15] We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:20:00 - [16] Edited by: welsh wizard on 31/03/2007 10:19:02 nm
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? At the risk of sounding overly dramatic, it is commonly seen by the coalition as a fight for EVE itself. The hate comes from the fact that BoB, whether or not they were aware of it, were cheating. BoB did receive illicit help from GMs, Devs, and other employees of CCP. The game was rigged in favor of BoB, no matter how you look at it. If the Coalition wins, it will be seen as proof that the hardworking, determined, and LEGITIMATE players can go face to face with cheaters and still win. Now let me make it perfectly clear that I don't believe the average BoB pilot knew about any cheating. If anybody knew, I believe it was only a select few in the upper ranks of the alliance. So while I think it's unfair to accuse the entire alliance of cheating, many people see it that way nonetheless. Repeated incidents involving BoB and CCP employees have cast a big shadow over BoB...one I don't think they will be able to escape from unless they are beaten. That's why it matters who wins. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:29:00 - [18] Your history is a bit off tbh but nvm. Anyway to your question. The Unquestionable War. No questions then, no answers needed. Life is a bed of roses, but watch out for the Priks
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:13:00 - [19] From point of view, the determination of the coalition is proportionnal not to the fun that it provides (loging screen is no fun), but to the number of backstab, trichery, arrogance, forum spam, trolling, flamming, smacking, ... made by BoB. I guess that only old players understand why many pilots do not want any BoB pilot in this game anymore. Only old players understand why we say 'yes please' when asking for suicide volonteers to kill some BoB assets :) - Did you noticed that a pendulum does not swing in deep space ?
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:14:00 - [20] Freedom? You think we fight bob for freedom? If I'm gunna get my balls blown off for a word.. my words gunna be poontang. Memento Mori.

Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:26:00 - [21] i think there are 3 reasons that the coalition is together... 1. a shipment of quaffe mestiously disapeared in delve last year and needs to be retrieved before its expirey date (this christmas) 2. all the best exotic dancers work out of querious 3. to get bob moved elsewhere on the map so that more plex's can be installed! Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Chronojam Gallente Mom's Friendly Robots	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:26:00 - [22] Glory through participation in massive and unforgettable campaigning and alliance combat. Justice against what is seen as present injustice with the background of unforgettable scandal. New lands acquired via what will likely be an unforgettable invasion and asset relocation. Pew pew and killmails set against an unforgettable amount of node crashes and forum trumpeting. Mining sucks compared to this. Check all that apply, good sirs.
Breisies Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak agreed
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Voculus on 31/03/2007 11:26:44 Quote: I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I'm fighting to kill BoB. Quote: I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? It's about throwing off the yoke of fascism, and making the galaxy a better place. Quote: Is D2 going to replace each capital ship that allied groups threw away for thier war? Ships are only good if you use them. If you buy them, but don't use them, then that is the bigger waste. In any event, nothing was thrown away. A BoB shipyard with a Leviathan Titan within, was destroyed. _________________________________________________________
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:30:00 - [25] i'm trying to work my way up to the e-peen + 5 rig, the components only seem to drop off BOB ships though.
Manic Mole VENOM72 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:36:00 - [26] shooting other players is the most fun thing in eve, any excuse to shoot the best is good enough. a proud member of whatever allince i happen to be in at the time!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Plutoinum on 31/03/2007 11:34:26 Originally by: Fred0 It's about doing the plex's in delve. We are tired of our crap plex's up north. You should better keep your hands off the plexes. RA is watching you. Just joking. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Delthus Species 5618 SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:39:00 - [28] Edited by: Delthus on 31/03/2007 11:36:56 I fight cause lots of pew pew is sexay but -A- might be more sexier its still in debate
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Voculus It's about throwing off the yoke of fascism, and making the galaxy a better place. omg... there is a RL somewhere out there, even for you! (and I don't think that you are roleplaying atm)
munchy Prison Break Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:41:00 - [30] well personally i would like to think of this as the playerbase standing up and saying "we wont stand for cheats" even if ccp cant/wont do anything, the coalition does. wether or not thats true i dont know, but what i do know, is BOB have made it public before that they aim to control all of 0.0, they have become a threat to the point now where the alliances have stopped sitting back and saying "nah, they wont come for us" or "well by the time they come for us, we will be strong enough". i dont think anyone will try to say they can take bob alone, its quite plain and simple they are a force to be reconed with, and the coalition is fighting now to keep their space. it may look like theyre attacking bob but it is simply pre-emptive defense IMO. this of course is all speculation, but i do think the 2nd point is likely to be true. ---

Atreus Minmatarius Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:41:00 - [31] well many ppl, me included felt that CCP droped the ball after the incident and BoB has gone beyond "oh just let it go and move on" this time. Ppl felt that they deserved some sort of "punishment" for what they did/done. Sice CCP did not deliver it, players decided to take matters in they're own hands. Of course results will be questionable... if they are destroyed they can be back next day if they wish. That is beyond the point. YES, everyone involved also has it's own "selfish" reasons. Some ppl hope for new teritory some for new complexes, whatever. Just like in any war. I love the fact that everytime i log in action can be found. I also don't know why the BoB "residents", whatever you wanna call yourself, think we are out to destroy you. We are not trying to destroy you, we are LIBERATING you... what i say is my own opinion and does not represent any entity other than myself
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Gordon Red Originally by: Voculus It's about throwing off the yoke of fascism, and making the galaxy a better place. omg... there is a RL somewhere out there, even for you! (and I don't think that you are roleplaying atm) Were all playing the same game buddy.
Lucututerian Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 So we have some coalition that are thrilled to death that they only spent 30-50 dreads on destroying that titan. And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. But the coalition? That is something I don't understand in the slightest. They drag themselves across the entire galaxy to wage war against a brick wall and they confidently proclaim that thier unity is unquestionable. They have become the mighty fist of all eve that has banded together to smash BOB. They loose 50 dreads and they say 'It was nothing! We can replace that easilly!' Who can? Who exactly? Is D2 going to replace each capital ship that allied groups threw away for thier war? They've said it time and again '50 dreads! Pfffft!' How easy it must be to throw away the assets of another. But the allies of D2 aren't in question here. I understand why they are helping D2. What I don't understand is why D2 is using that aid for such a pointless war. What if the coalition wins? Does the coalition REALLY expect thousands upon thousands of ACTIVE players to suddenly recieve some glorious defeat which convinces them that they have to go and live in empire? Does D2 really believe it is going to take all of BOB space for itself and devide it up evenly among it's newfound friends? I've asked before if anyone had considered whether or not this war will ever end. I ask you now to consider whether or not we have even seen the start of it. D2 and Iron and friends have been in Bobspace before. Back then they were called G alliance. They took the same stations and faught the same battles with the same people in similiar ways. (There were no titans back then) That was a year ago and even then we spoke not of G's sudden anger towards bob, but of thier 'rehashing' of hostillities which were even older. I was sieging a POS today and I got a sudden feeling of Deja Vu. Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is like the 4th time in 4 years and it didn't work the last 3 times. If the coalition is defeated, will D2 be back in a year with a new name? I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? simple answer. bob will geting to powerfull, in the time they will attack all other alliances, they will get more and more, somebody has to stop them, thats it. they dont care about theyr "friend" in this war, they just let them die to get time to protect theyr own space, like ISS and LV. if bob gonna win this war, the map will be only blue, there willbe no place for frineds, thats theyr goal. how long dose it take for the other ally¦s to check this out?! WAR IS ****, BUT THE SOUND IS COOL!!
cheru Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Dashhammer II ... I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? Originally by: Lux Aeterna i would venture to say its about having fun, crazy thought huh? if only eve were a game. ^This and from the sideline it looks like BoB have tried long and hard to annoy enough people to get this war. + Generally if boys get big toys they want to play with it. Pitty that there's no working playground in Eve for these toys atm. ................................................. been there done that
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak This is a game folks. Repeat that 10 times over. Play the game. Leave the drama to Oprah and soap operas. The level of vitriol that gets exhibited by so many of you towards others you don't know is downright pathetic. Even worse is your own hatred is a complete contradiction. If smack talking on the boards is justification for being defeated, then what exactly is the coaltion doing with all of their excessive smack talking? Creating the reason why they should be defeated? Let's accept for the moment that people in the past were smack talkers, I am quite sure it is true. Let's also accept that the coalition is correct and they were wrong for doing such smack talking. Finally, let's accept that all of that prior smack talking is what bound many of the coalition together. At this point, you should start to see the picture. Maybe, just maybe, if you believe that smack talking on the boards was bad for Bob, then maybe just maybe you shouldn't be doing it either? At this point, all the Coalition smack talk just makes you guys look very hypocritical. Smack talking isn't going to win a war. If you guys are really true to your beliefs, then you would not be smack talking at all. So at this point, we are left with 1 of 2 choices. Either (1) you see the error of your ways and you will reduce the level of smack talking in this forum and we can get back to it being useful or (2) you really aren't any different than the people you criticize and are basically just a bunch of hypocrits. I have no doubt that there are scores of people out there like me who would love to read this forum for some real information as to what is going on and despise having to wade through all the smack talk, regardless of which side is doing it. How about we all pledge ourselves to this simple idea? How about we all just play the game smack free and have fun? Is that really that hard to do? Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
LeviUK hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:49:00 - [36] Well I speak for myself when I say that, as BoB are generally regarded by many as the best single pvp entity in the game, I'd rather be shooting at them and their allies than with them. In the same way, I tend to set the difficultly level to medium or hard when I start playing other games Blinkered view perhaps but IMO, there are too many glory-hunters playing easy mode in Eve who seem to think that makes them something they aren't.
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak for that reply I award you the holy lol Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself.
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:55:00 - [39] Edited by: Hast on 31/03/2007 12:51:47 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. then maybe bob are helping them because it is in their interest to do so? very much in contrast to your previous alliance. Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. I dare say that is true of all people everywhere. Or are you suggesting that Exceed would protect people when it isn't in your interest to do so? Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise

Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. I dare say that is true of all people everywhere. Or are you suggesting that Exceed would protect people when it isn't in your interest to do so? You may have missed this bit so I will repeat it here - "and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance"
Laboratus Gallente BGG Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:57:00 - [42] Robert has announced that their intended goal is conquering all of 0.0 They were involved in a war that led to the dissolution of the largest player faction in the game ASCN and took over their space after. All in all they control almost half of the 0.0 in game. If the situation continues, they will gather enough resources to easily annex the rest of the 0.0 in a matter of months after the initial push. After this, we really have only a few possibilities. 1. Stagnating 0.0. Nothing happens, as most of the wealth is in the hands of the owners of 0.0 and no resistnace is possible. 2. Civil war. Alliance breaks down into several warring factions. 3. Finally it will be possible to siege empire and start player conquest in those areas with a unified 0.0 vs npc empire. etc Anyways, if Robert continues to grow in might, life in 0.0 will become very uninteresting. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 31/03/2007 12:51:47 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. then maybe bob are helping them because it is in their interest to do so? very much in contrast to your previous alliance. Err isnt that pretty much what I said? I was just pointing out that the OP seems to feel it is his honour bound duty to protect his "friends" in bob, I am just helpfully pointing out to him that there are very few friends in eve, just spheres of interest. ASCN thought it was "friends" with BoB and that didnt turn out so well for it now did it?
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. I dare say that is true of all people everywhere. Or are you suggesting that Exceed would protect people when it isn't in your interest to do so? You may have missed this bit so I will repeat it here - "and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance" And my post was focusing on your use of the qualifier "pretty much". Are you an exception to the rule or not? Was the use of "pretty much" an innocent way to malign others while attempting to put you above such conduct? Or was the use of the qualifier not meant as a qualifier at all? Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 31/03/2007 12:51:47 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. then maybe bob are helping them because it is in their interest to do so? very much in contrast to your previous alliance. Err isnt that pretty much what I said? I was just pointing out that the OP seems to feel it is his honour bound duty to protect his "friends" in bob, I am just helpfully pointing out to him that there are very few friends in eve, just spheres of interest. ASCN thought it was "friends" with BoB and that didnt turn out so well for it now did it? The neutral standings should have tipped you off tbh. But I guess it was much easier to take the bury your head in the sand approach and believe that we still were friends. Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. I dare say that is true of all people everywhere. Or are you suggesting that Exceed would protect people when it isn't in your interest to do so? You may have missed this bit so I will repeat it here - "and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance" And my post was focusing on your use of the qualifier "pretty much". Are you an exception to the rule or not? Was the use of "pretty much" an innocent way to malign others while attempting to put you above such conduct? Or was the use of the qualifier not meant as a qualifier at all? I was referring to the fact that I am not on intimate terms with every single alliance out there and am commenting only on those I know and if I said "every alliance" then some forum lawyer such as yourself would say "oh yeah well what about when XXX alliance went to the aid of YYY alliance in XTZ-123 eh? eh?"
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 31/03/2007 12:51:47 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. then maybe bob are helping them because it is in their interest to do so? very much in contrast to your previous alliance. Err isnt that pretty much what I said? I was just pointing out that the OP seems to feel it is his honour bound duty to protect his "friends" in bob, I am just helpfully pointing out to him that there are very few friends in eve, just spheres of interest. ASCN thought it was "friends" with BoB and that didnt turn out so well for it now did it? The neutral standings should have tipped you off tbh. But I guess it was much easier to take the bury your head in the sand approach and believe that we still were friends. shrugs the average "man on the street" in ASCN would have said that we were friendly with BoB, especially given the EC- operation, and there was never any reason to think otherwise until bored BoB pilots (particularly DICE) started to raid ASCN space. I dont see it as any sort of avoidance it was just we had more immediate threats like D2 and AAA to worry about people we were neutral/light blue towards.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Dashhammer II What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. Is it April Fools day already? BoB has never protected anyone or anything save for its own interests, and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance. You are a useful buffer and a source of income for BoB, nothing more and nothing less. BoB would not lift a finger to defend you unless it was in its interests to do so. If you want to lose isk and ships to "defend" that then suit yourself. I dare say that is true of all people everywhere. Or are you suggesting that Exceed would protect people when it isn't in your interest to do so? You may have missed this bit so I will repeat it here - "and in that regard is the same as pretty much ever other alliance" And my post was focusing on your use of the qualifier "pretty much". Are you an exception to the rule or not? Was the use of "pretty much" an innocent way to malign others while attempting to put you above such conduct? Or was the use of the qualifier not meant as a qualifier at all? I was referring to the fact that I am not on intimate terms with every single alliance out there and am commenting only on those I know and if I said "every alliance" then some forum lawyer such as yourself would say "oh yeah well what about when XXX alliance went to the aid of YYY alliance in XTZ-123 eh? eh?" I think we can do away with the negative references to others. It won't help your argument. I think you miscalculated the purpose of my post. The point was not to offer up examples where your point is wrong, but rather agree and further your point by saying it isn't "pretty much" everyone, it is everyone. You shouldn't assume what others would do, it isn't polite and it ruins the debate when they don't. To repeat, the point of my post was to find agreement and to make sure that you realize every alliance, Bob and Coalition, are exactly the same. We are humans. We do things because they benefit us in some way. D2 is working with RA only because they both have something to gain. If they didn't, they wouldn't be together. If the point of your post is to say that the Coalition is no different in that regard, then there is no difference in our posts. See how easy it is to debate and discuss without lobbing the insults? Give it a try, you might like it. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
NAFnist NAF	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:20:00 - [49] stabwash for prez tbh -
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak for that reply I award you the holy lol Wow just wow what a putdown, remind me never to cross swords with you again Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light

Ron LaForge Gallente Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:36:00 - [51] I think it has already been said. BoB is actually being attacked because of the huge mishandling of the whole corruption affair by CCP. This in addition to the months of arrogant posts on these forums, the spying and cheating accusations. We all know that 99% of the BoB players are just normal guys like ourselves and have our respect as great PvPers. If BoB had kicked out their leadership and reformed internally after the CCP incident I think that "the war" may even have been avoided. Anyway: its fun! Lets continue.. Ron. Every long journey begins with just one small step..
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:47:00 - [52] Everyone is fighting this, because this has been about to happen for two years. D2 decided to go on the offensive in Fountain when a BoB corp or two took a roadtrip north, while MC was up north shooting them as well. The south wanted to finally get rid of LV, who just happened to be BoB allies. It kinda went from there. Most of all though, BoB are endgame. Their entire MO has always been to target the biggest thing they could conceivably beat, and then do it. When ASCN went down like a crumbling house, the only large challenge left was if everyone else had a go. This is their endgame PvP. As for the Coalition, there have been numerous attempts in the past to unite people against BoB, especially during the GWN. Mutual enmities made that impossible, and I'm not sure if it's irony or not, but the removal of ASCN was what made it possible; they were the biggest hurdle between creating any sort of unison between the north and south, due to what can only be called obstinacy of several people involved in earlier attempts. The south changed fast enough so that the new southern powerhouses did not have a significant history of hostility with the northern power blocs. This is from my viewpoint. Grand factual inaccuracies may exist in this text. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
The Truckdriver	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:57:00 - [53] When bob wins this conflict it'll take a while before another alliance gains the same strength, nobody likes a one sided game. So thats why every alliance try's to kill bob before nobody can anymore.
Halada Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak QF Frickin' T Click on my sig to read it !
nXus FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:59:00 - [55] It's just a natural part of eve. Returning balance to the "Force". "Fortune Favors the Bold"
En'no Gyoja	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:05:00 - [56] It's all a matter of history coming back to nip BoB in the butt. To me the reasons for attacking BoB are the same that we're used by BoB when they attacked and conquered FA in Fountain. We asked ourselves the same questions then: why the hate? Looking back upon those days, it was a matter of FA growing too big for it's own shoes, and a certain amount of jealousy from the rest of the universe for FA's economic powers. Now, BoB is facing the same situation imo, though things might be different in detail.
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Originally by: Hast Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak for that reply I award you the holy lol Wow just wow what a putdown, remind me never to cross swords with you again Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. you got a answer that justified your reply Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:41:00 - [58] Because I'm not about to live in BoB dominated space. I also have my own personal vendetta against any elitist-arrogant superpower in any game, BoB fits that well. Also I'm against the Lord-Vassal system of EVE governing. I'll be happy if the coalition pushes BoB out of Feyth, Esoteria and Paragon Soul. They need to be cut down to size, although I'd like to see them defeated outright. "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:47:00 - [59] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Originally by: Hast Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak for that reply I award you the holy lol Wow just wow what a putdown, remind me never to cross swords with you again Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. you got a answer that justified your reply Your responses are reminisant of a frustrated teanager sat on teamspeak with a group of similily frustrated teanagers snickering at your percieved intelligent responses. Show some maturity and bring something constructive to the table or sit it out and learn from those who can. If you have issues with my comments then lets hear them. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:47:00 - [60] Back when I was a wee nub, I joined this corp called Global raiders. One of the director killed a School of hard knocks after he paid a ransom. Instant wardeck by School of hard knocks and Snigg ardly. Camped in station for a week. I spend every last isk I had on ships that were somehow delivered past the blockade by a swell guy by Tomasz. Being a wee nub I was, I got them scammed by my ceo, who made up this*** and bull story about a corptheft. Not understanding game mechanics and roles/what can be done, I didn't put 2 and 2 together. We managed to get out, and merged into another alliance. my CEO robs this alliance. This time he claims someone "hacks his account". By this time I have TS and a mic. By this time he has **ed me off in character in game, out of game,has insulted my intelligence, and is a stain on the honor of the USAF. This person takes most of the old global Raiders to ASCN. He sells out ASCN to BoB during there war. He then jumps ship to BoB. Licencetokill, I have a very long memory, and I hold a grudge forever.

OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:48:00 - [61] Quote: Tribune: Much of your accusations have of course been aimed at the Band Of Brothers Alliance, what would you say to any of the members or leadership that might be reading this? Kugutsumen: See you in NOL, cheaters. -------------- Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.31 14:55:00 - [62] I fight BoB because in my time here playing eve, i've come to dislike their tactics, their attitude, and their treatment of other people on these forums and in game. I will probably continue fighting BoB until they disband (which may be never). I honestly think that anyone still fighting BoB over some incident involving the Dev ought to perminantly Ctrl-Q from the game, It's done, it's over, please move on and let this game try to forget about it. plus, if i didn't pick someone to fight, i'd still be wasting $30 per month to run missions and haul imaginary internet items across an imaginary internet galaxy for imaginary internet profit.
axels2000 Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 15:38:00 - [63] Dashhammer dude expressed his personal opinion, not an official EXE. We fight for our own reasons, the primary of which is BoB brings lots of targets right on our doorstep. Among other reasons are free access to 0.0. Yes, free. Even though our station is called The QS Bob Petshop. We thought it sounded funny. Sort of "in the face" thing. Mehh, who cares. I can't respect the fact that BoB acquired resources outside game mechanics. Lots of ppl commented on that here. There is no other way but to get over it. CCP will hopefully fix this crap. Arrogance? whaaa? Look at -A- and their infamous "we will win Eve". There is enough arrogance all over this forums from both sides. BoB's war machine is incredibly efficient. Not because of cheating, but because of ppl. Obviously not undefeatble, but the one that inflicts severe damage whether on offense or defense. One thing for sure, if you are in BoB you collect a lot of killmails. The game has been fun lately. That's all that matters. Dasshammer, stop asking question why they ALL come here. You may jinx it dude :)
Camboon Resistance is Futile Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 15:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Baymm This is a game folks. Repeat that 10 times over. Play the game. Leave the drama to Oprah and soap operas. The level of vitriol that gets exhibited by so many of you towards others you don't know is downright pathetic. Even worse is your own hatred is a complete contradiction. If smack talking on the boards is justification for being defeated, then what exactly is the coaltion doing with all of their excessive smack talking? Creating the reason why they should be defeated? Let's accept for the moment that people in the past were smack talkers, I am quite sure it is true. Let's also accept that the coalition is correct and they were wrong for doing such smack talking. Finally, let's accept that all of that prior smack talking is what bound many of the coalition together. At this point, you should start to see the picture. Maybe, just maybe, if you believe that smack talking on the boards was bad for Bob, then maybe just maybe you shouldn't be doing it either? At this point, all the Coalition smack talk just makes you guys look very hypocritical. Smack talking isn't going to win a war. If you guys are really true to your beliefs, then you would not be smack talking at all. So at this point, we are left with 1 of 2 choices. Either (1) you see the error of your ways and you will reduce the level of smack talking in this forum and we can get back to it being useful or (2) you really aren't any different than the people you criticize and are basically just a bunch of hypocrits. I have no doubt that there are scores of people out there like me who would love to read this forum for some real information as to what is going on and despise having to wade through all the smack talk, regardless of which side is doing it. How about we all pledge ourselves to this simple idea? How about we all just play the game smack free and have fun? Is that really that hard to do? Well said Baymm. Regardless of what color anyone is....everyone should keep in mind, this is just a game. Fly Safe All
Valkazm Amarr ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:13:00 - [65] Get used to sitting at your pos asking yourselves whats its all about .. Step into the darkness
Jelek Coro Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:26:00 - [66] Edited by: Jelek Coro on 31/03/2007 16:22:37 Originally by: Borgholio If the Coalition wins, it will be seen as proof that the hardworking, determined, and LEGITIMATE players can go face to face with cheaters and still win. Quote: Legitimate? With Goons and RA? Why do all of POS seem to be extremely bitter.... all of you seem to have a chip on your shoulders, and the oh so funny comments I have received from you guys when visiting your Goon sponsored home...
31i73 BGG Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Dashhammer II I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? I think many like the idea to get those cheaters out of the game.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Gordon Red Everybody will be back in a year! You ask why?!? Because we pay for a game to phewphew! We all want to win or loose against the best. I want to believe that. I really do. I want to believe that becuase it is the simplest answer. It paints a picture of people standing around going 'What do you want to do?' 'I don't know, what do you want to do?' 'Beats me, what do you want to do?' 'Well we haven't attacked Bob in a while' 'Hey, you guys attacking Bob?' 'Yeah' 'Yep!' 'Hey let me get in on that, I missed out on it last year' Can that really be all there is to it? Just a small group of bored CEOs that get together with bored CEOs on the other side of the galaxy and pick a fight.... becuase they need something to do? OP summed it up himself on the first page right here ^^ At least, that's why we're in on it :) Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak You do know this is how our side see the coalition right? A bunch of minor entitys clinging on the coat tails of arrogant, smacking, cheating meta-gamers. Is ironic really.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:27:00 - [70] Its all about the Pew Pew and the TuTu. All the justification in the world brother.

Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak You do know this is how our side see the coalition right? A bunch of minor entitys clinging on the coat tails of arrogant, smacking, cheating meta-gamers. Is ironic really. that's pretty ironic because we see your side the exact same way. It's crazy! Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:32:00 - [72] Edited by: Fuujin on 31/03/2007 17:28:56 Originally by: Baymm Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak This is a game folks. Repeat that 10 times over. Play the game. Leave the drama to Oprah and soap operas. The level of vitriol that gets exhibited by so many of you towards others you don't know is downright pathetic. Even worse is your own hatred is a complete contradiction. If smack talking on the boards is justification for being defeated, then what exactly is the coaltion doing with all of their excessive smack talking? Creating the reason why they should be defeated? Let's accept for the moment that people in the past were smack talkers, I am quite sure it is true. Let's also accept that the coalition is correct and they were wrong for doing such smack talking. Finally, let's accept that all of that prior smack talking is what bound many of the coalition together. At this point, you should start to see the picture. Maybe, just maybe, if you believe that smack talking on the boards was bad for Bob, then maybe just maybe you shouldn't be doing it either? At this point, all the Coalition smack talk just makes you guys look very hypocritical. Smack talking isn't going to win a war. If you guys are really true to your beliefs, then you would not be smack talking at all. So at this point, we are left with 1 of 2 choices. Either (1) you see the error of your ways and you will reduce the level of smack talking in this forum and we can get back to it being useful or (2) you really aren't any different than the people you criticize and are basically just a bunch of hypocrits. I have no doubt that there are scores of people out there like me who would love to read this forum for some real information as to what is going on and despise having to wade through all the smack talk, regardless of which side is doing it. How about we all pledge ourselves to this simple idea? How about we all just play the game smack free and have fun? Is that really that hard to do? You're right it's just a game. People can choose to be complete asses or they can choose to be righteous. I think it's pretty silly to put down those who fight for the reasons the original poster made. If you want to fight for pvp because it's just a game then great, more power to you. If someone wants to uphold certain morals in game and play along with it then great for them too. The 'it's just a game argument' is geting kind of old.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:32:00 - [73] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 31/03/2007 17:31:30 Originally by: Baymm I think we can do away with the negative references to others. It won't help your argument. I think you miscalculated the purpose of my post. The point was not to offer up examples where your point is wrong, but rather agree and further your point by saying it isn't "pretty much" everyone, it is everyone. You shouldn't assume what others would do, it isn't polite and it ruins the debate when they don't. To repeat, the point of my post was to find agreement and to make sure that you realize every alliance, Bob and Coalition, are exactly the same. We are humans. We do things because they benefit us in some way. D2 is working with RA only because they both have something to gain. If they didn't, they wouldn't be together. If the point of your post is to say that the Coalition is no different in that regard, then there is no difference in our posts. See how easy it is to debate and discuss without lobbing the insults? Give it a try, you might like it. Yes I can see how referring to someone as being like a "forum lawyer" is a really devastating personal insult, please forgive me. As for the rest, no I think you misinterpreted my post. My point was that I found it slightly odd for the OP to make a post declaring his undying support for his landlord. BoB are not EXE's friends or allies, they are its landlord. They are not defending its space because they like EXE they are doing it to defend their territory and their income. I can understand the OP saying "I am fighting to defend bob because if I dont I will lose my rented space in about 2 days flat", but I cannot understand why someone would be so willing to defend bob otherwise. In relation to the rest of your post, of course i agree that the colaition is one of convenience, that is what is good about it. I cant stand these huge POS/blob battles, they are one of the things that is driving so many from the game. What I would love to see in eve are lots of similar sized smaller alliances fighting it out on a level playing field without blobs and super capitals and metagaming. BoB are the complete antithesis (SIC?) of this, you cvannot take on an alliance like bob which is far ahead of the game without a mega blob and its one reason why they as an entity are bad for the game (IMO). Anyway, enough forum banter for now, i have to go strip paint off my bathroom walls. edit: sry confusing one "ally with another lol
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Anyway, enough forum banter for now, i have to go strip paint off my bathroom walls. I can do that for ya man, just give me about 20 minutes and a magazine Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Anyway, enough forum banter for now, i have to go strip paint off my bathroom walls. I can do that for ya man, just give me about 20 minutes and a magazine Tell me about it I have go with the door open otherwise the smell would murder ya.
Sir Howard Gallente SAS. The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 So we have some coalition that are thrilled to death that they only spent 30-50 dreads on destroying that titan. And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. What I fail to understand is- what are we fighting for anyway? Don't get me wrong, I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. But the coalition? That is something I don't understand in the slightest. They drag themselves across the entire galaxy to wage war against a brick wall and they confidently proclaim that thier unity is unquestionable. They have become the mighty fist of all eve that has banded together to smash BOB. They loose 50 dreads and they say 'It was nothing! We can replace that easilly!' Who can? Who exactly? Is D2 going to replace each capital ship that allied groups threw away for thier war? They've said it time and again '50 dreads! Pfffft!' How easy it must be to throw away the assets of another. But the allies of D2 aren't in question here. I understand why they are helping D2. What I don't understand is why D2 is using that aid for such a pointless war. What if the coalition wins? Does the coalition REALLY expect thousands upon thousands of ACTIVE players to suddenly recieve some glorious defeat which convinces them that they have to go and live in empire? Does D2 really believe it is going to take all of BOB space for itself and devide it up evenly among it's newfound friends? I've asked before if anyone had considered whether or not this war will ever end. I ask you now to consider whether or not we have even seen the start of it. D2 and Iron and friends have been in Bobspace before. Back then they were called G alliance. They took the same stations and faught the same battles with the same people in similiar ways. (There were no titans back then) That was a year ago and even then we spoke not of G's sudden anger towards bob, but of thier 'rehashing' of hostillities which were even older. I was sieging a POS today and I got a sudden feeling of Deja Vu. Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is like the 4th time in 4 years and it didn't work the last 3 times. If the coalition is defeated, will D2 be back in a year with a new name? I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? Stop trying to sound so freakin smart or philosophical. Its a game...I pay to play it...the main focus of the game is pvp....so I'll shoot who I like. "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Ford Chicago Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:44:00 - [77] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 But the coalition? That is something I don't understand in the slightest. They drag themselves across the entire galaxy to wage war against a brick wall and they confidently proclaim that thier unity is unquestionable. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:49:00 - [78] Originally by: Gordon Red Everybody will be back in a year! if BoB loose => BoB will be back if D2 loose => D2 will be back => only the name of the one that lost will change! You ask why?!? Because we pay for a game to phewphew! We all want to win or loose against the best. When you ask, why is all this senseless destruction all around? All that destruction is fruitless and not logical!!! => go play WoW (hey, the name is silly, if you think longer about it... World of WARCRAFT... ) I lolled and QFT!
Ivan En'Vec Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:31:00 - [79] Heheheheh, yes, EVE, with it's BoD and lag and node crashes and sillyness and foreign people that I don't understand, is the greatest MMO ever created. The whole point of the game is pewpew. The 'endgmae' of wow, is spending hours and hours against the computer. The end-game of EVE is against other players, where winning counts for something, unlike counter-strike. Places are conquerable. That is what makes eve the greatest game ever. We lost 40 dreads killing the baby titan, the ISK value is probably about even. Debateable, no matter which side you're on. However, we proved many things in this fight. 40 dreads spread amongst 12 alliances really isn't hard to replace. We set out for a goal that we accomplished.\ When I started playing EVE, the first person that helped me was BoD. I was in a T1 fitted punisher, and he game along and we coordinated aligning me and warping out at belts while pirates came and his force recon killed them. After a while I died, and he gave me 20 mil to get me started in the game. Nice guy. But that's hardly the norm, and I've since learned that drunken fleet ops with IAC are far more fun. THAT, OP, is what this all really about. Fun! \O/
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:51:00 - [80] I got dragged into this thing kicking and screaming by d2. I come back from a ski trip and find out d2 has launched an all out assault on fountain. I fight for fun and to see the north destroyed, old saying is enemy of my enemy is my friend. Almost two months ago and what has changed? The coalition lost a MS (IAC), a titan, countless BS, 40-50 dreads in one fight, another MS (RA), and possibly a third MS if you count stk as coalition. BOB/Allies have lost a baby titan (lv), a MS in production (MC) and a capital ship yard POS (RKK). The coalition has removed LV from its home. They have been skirmishing in BOB space, they took some space down south and thats about it atm. This war is along way from over if it takes two months to get to this point. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.

Mned Graydroggen Satal's Legion	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:40:00 - [81] Edited by: Mned Graydroggen on 31/03/2007 21:37:04 Originally by: Raem Civrie Everyone is fighting this, because this has been about to happen for two years. D2 decided to go on the offensive in Fountain when a BoB corp or two took a roadtrip north, while MC was up north shooting them as well. The south wanted to finally get rid of LV, who just happened to be BoB allies. It kinda went from there. Most of all though, BoB are endgame. Their entire MO has always been to target the biggest thing they could conceivably beat, and then do it. When ASCN went down like a crumbling house, the only large challenge left was if everyone else had a go. This is their endgame PvP. As for the Coalition, there have been numerous attempts in the past to unite people against BoB, especially during the GWN. Mutual enmities made that impossible, and I'm not sure if it's irony or not, but the removal of ASCN was what made it possible; they were the biggest hurdle between creating any sort of unison between the north and south, due to what can only be called obstinacy of several people involved in earlier attempts. The south changed fast enough so that the new southern powerhouses did not have a significant history of hostility with the northern power blocs. This is from my viewpoint. Grand factual inaccuracies may exist in this text. A pretty sound analisis methinks. Furtermore a big part of BoBs power was their reputation as an unbeatable force. With the population growth we have had over the years those who actualy experienced the sheer alliance bashing power of the corporations in BoB has grown thin. Alot of the pod pilots now only have hear say to go on, stories of way back when. They don't have reservations older players might have had. As Raem said, the time was ripe.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:56:00 - [82] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/03/2007 22:00:54 so, everyone shoots at bob cause they dont like cheaters? i was gonna keep this short.. but damn i'm bored at work today.... so when bob is gone is everyone gonna turn around and shoot RA for milking the bugged plexes for months? /me drools at thought of ill gotten tier packages and gisti XLG SB every 38-52 minutes. witch hunts are fun! ok, so what next then?... i know! then we gonna go after anyone that ever scammed someone on escrow!? ppl want to say stuff like: "We fight to purify the game and replace the fecal covered regions in clean white sheets, blah blah blah" .....at least there are some odds these ppl are RPing and aren't completely naive hell, every person thats reading this probly have an alliance mate doing something shifty right now and you dont even know it. that alone destroys the logic of some 'higher reason' for the bob hatewagon. but its funny to watch ppl try to take a moral high ground when your on the same side as RAgoons but then you have the hopeless ones. then ya have the "anyone standing with bob is a SLAVE PET, they are all devs o.0, the entire game is engineered so we lose!" ...those are my favorite. the ppl that if they really believed what they preached they would have quit the game long ago. some might just be flexing their forum-foo, unfortunately however i think alot of them are dumb enough they really believe it. we all know why everyone wants to kill bob. envy, pure and simple. they are jealous. you can paint it any way you want, but we all know the real reason. everyone likes a little anarchy, everyone like to topple the man on top, remember playing king of the mountain as a kid? its that simple. so, to answer the OP. Whats this all about? Its the game! its what we are supposed to do. (Interstellar peace would be awfully boring)It is just the desire to beat up the biggest guy on the block. (even if you have to take 10 of your friends with you to have a snowballs chance in hell ) lots fight this war and for many reasons. Some just for the pew pew (/me raises hand), some to increase their EGO... but most, they do it just cause everyone else is doing it. they were told 'ok, we are fighting these guys now' and being good soldiers they obey. tbh it really depends on the individual pilot its all fairly normal and common in game. but the only thing that distiguishes this particular war, and the current sentiments from any other is: there are SO MANY ppl ganging together to try and hurt bob. it is not easy to keep that many different groups banded together and focused over time. they have to constantly rally themselves to the cause or they drift apart... ..... so they hate, and scream slurs and make the most wild of accusations 'you side w/ bob? YOUR A SLAVE!'... its a nasty combination of dehumanizing your enemy to help justify yourself and mob mentality (which is rarely a pretty thing). its both funny and ugly and its the #1 reason this coalition will eventually fall apart. and the proof for all this? well, its right in front of your eyes. all you need to do is go check out the shipyards thread, i mean ffs, THATS HOW THESE PPL TAKE A VICTORY!
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:07:00 - [83] Originally by: scabbsssjr Almost two months ago and what has changed? The coalition lost a MS (IAC), a titan, countless BS, 40-50 dreads in one fight, another MS (RA), and possibly a third MS if you count stk as coalition. Quote: I'd prefer it if you used STK-S rather than stk also no we aren't in a coalition but that could change if you keep typing my corp ticker wrong.
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:35:00 - [84] Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 31/03/2007 22:32:17 Originally by: Dashhammer II I know what I am fighting for. I am fighting to protect BOB. BOB has fought to protect me. But the coalition? That is something I don't understand in the slightest. They drag themselves across the entire galaxy to wage war against a brick wall This question is posed in a somewhat-rethorical manner - clearly you are either not interested or already aware of the answer yourself. Bob's position in this war has initially been anything but defensive, as indicated through both Molle's countless reiterations of "i'm going to conquer the universe" - indeed, this sort of hubris is exactly what brought member corporations of bob together in the first place. Case in point: Originally by: Avon Unless you are the man at the top you are a pet. Difference is, BoB's "pets" are fully aware of the situation they are in, see that it is profitable for them, and make an informed choice. Most other pets, be it individuals, corps, or even alliances, tend to be blind to their true position, and think that ignorance is freedom. The coalition is a loosely-tied group of independent alliances, in many cases historically-opposed to eachtoher, who have set their differences aside temporarely in order to make sure that the entire map is not conquered by a single, well-organised entity that has expressed interest in doing so and demonstrated capability. On the other hand, the reason why bob defend their protectorates is because the said 'pet' corporations and alliances pay in tribute and help fill with warm bodies the systems bob lacks the manpower to cover on their own. Their space, through conquest, has been expanded beyond the point of their own member base being able to hold it effectively against multiple enemies on multiple fronts, so they've relaxed their 'pet policies', dropping some tribute-gathering from fringe alliances willing to take their side. Tribute is important to bob because it fills their local markets with goods and raw materials for production, fills their systems with human buffer, allowing time for main fleet response and fills their wallets with cash from gathering tributes that funds a 'pvp without grind' lifestyle its combat pilots are accustomed to and demand. Originally by: Dashhammer II Who can? Who exactly can replace the capitals? D2? Since most of coalition industry is located far away from the front lines and the naps glowing all over, resourcing and production have been flourishing in ways seldom-seen before. Consequently much of what was lost in recent capital action, although a significant boon to bob's public and pet relations, has had negligible impact upon the coalition's ability to project capital forces, insallag. Originally by: Dashhammer II What if the coalition wins? In the somewhat unlikely event of an outright 'victory' over bob, everyone will go back to shooting eachother. few groups in eve harbour either ambition towards gallactic conquest or, frankly, the aptitude. All the better. Originally by: Dashhammer II I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? summary: (molle, digitalcommunist, twd, blacklight)- Hmm. Time to test out how this works. D2 dies first. Okay, wait, maybe ascn. (ascn) - oh crap!!@ hide in your POSes! Awaawagghrrh! dies (molle, digitalcommunist) - That was disturbingly easy. Okay, we're taking over the universe. (everybody else) - oh hell nooo, you deed-uunnt! (chowdown) - I don't want to be caught on the wrong side of this one.. (old knight from 'indiana jones and the holy grail') - he chose..poorly (chowdown) - well, so much for that idea..LV dies
Nessa Aldeen Baltic StarFleet Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:35:00 - [85] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 So we have some coalition that are thrilled to death that they only spent 30-50 dreads.... I am doing it becuase there have been countless times in the past when BOB has faught to protect me. ...... 'It was nothing! We can replace that easilly!' Who can? Who exactly? Is D2 going to replace each capital ship....... Does D2 really believe it is going to take all of BOB space .... ......D2 and Iron and friends have been in Bobspace before. Back then they were called G alliance. They took the same stations and faught the same battles with the same people in similiar ways..... I was sieging a POS today and I got a sudden feeling of Deja Vu. Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is ...... Yes. Im sure BOB and the pet that you are are equally 'thrilled' you shot relogged dreads with blank screens. The only thing that is saving BOB atm is massive lag and CCP's servers that are preventing the Coalition from bringing its total combined weight. Be thrilled.. Yes. Coalition can replace them easily. I guess maybe not yours if you had lost that many. But it is not ALL dreads belong to one alliance. D2? Coalition isn't just D2. Dont ramble on and on and on about D2. What's the matter are you afraid of D2? Your rhetoric is flawed. And your question about fighting BOB? Simple. Because they can.
psylenz Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Asylum Seaker Freedom? You think we fight bob for freedom? If I'm gunna get my balls blown off for a word.. my words gunna be poontang. Hear Hear!! So what if BoB lose... to me that is the best scenario. Why? because I do not for a second believe that they will disappear. It will mean an enormous increase in pvp in the game. As it is, BoB's space is too peaceful and has been for too long. They'll need to try to take it back and that is when the fun will begin.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:29:00 - [87] I fight BOB because every bob I met and the whole alliance offical stadnign is of arrogance.. and they treat others with disrespect puting themselves as if they were superior. They stand with proud under the face and behavior that I would gladly give my life in real life to fight against. That is why I fight alogn anyone against BOB, until the last of my ISK. I can 't do much in real life agaisnt such people, but in game I can. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Eiidmac Caldari Brotherhood of the Shadows	Posted - 2007.04.01 00:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? The reason it matters who wins is because individuals have personal pride. No one likes to lose. Even if you are a good sport and lose with grace; you still wished you won. Its likes children who play little league sports. People keep score because of pride. Originally by: Dashhammer II I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob? CCP admitted that one of its staff gave them a Titan and some T2 BPO. I believe that not all the items were taken back from them, so they profited from there cheating. CCP should have banned all the accounts of each CEO in the BOB alliance to send a stronger message.
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:01:00 - [89] I've heard all the accusations pertaining to Bob using cheats and hacks. I don't believe them for a minute. The devs didn't create eve so that they could sit around in BOB alliance and use hacks against other players before smacktalking them. They made this game for money, of which there is little- in iceland. Now we all know that there are devs among us and that they are spread out through out the entire galaxy not all clustered up in Bob. They do this for testing reasons, they do it so that they can shut down hacks and exploits as they are descovered. Anyone who has ever been involved with the creation of a game can see the benifit in this. As for crime/punishment, I have only seen the harshest, most draconian treatment of players and developers alike that get cuaght cheating by the GMs. I have complete faith that if you see a hack or exploit, you can petition it and GM Nova will chase it down and burn the person that did it, regardless of ingame allegiance.
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Sir Howard Stop trying to sound so freakin smart or philosophical. Its a game...I pay to play it...the main focus of the game is pvp....so I'll shoot who I like. Here is the thing. I don't subscribe to the 'It's just a game' arguement. I came to EVE from another game entirely called 'Mankind', I was in a guild there called HCI and when we came over we made a corp of the same name. I took a short vacation and came back to find out that we had all left HCI and joined Black Nova Corp and thus formed BOB. (Some vacation, I know). I was asked to join them in BNC but I declined. I was still basically a noob and I wanted more experience before jumping into something like that. I joined OTO and after several months of being chased and podded and harrassed and griefed by people that chanted 'It's just a game!', I asked my old friends for help. And they helped! They got me into touch with blacklight and blacklight paved the way for us to join Tribal Souls. And it was great! We loved it. Time and time and time again, Bob has been there for me and I've always stuck close to them. Every time I go through delve or period basis I see the same faces. Fix, Exertu Mortis, MC, Fallen-souls. These are my friends. These are my friends and they live here with us in peace becuase of BOB. So you can claim it's just a game all you want. But to me it's not. This is my home and this is my family. We don't always agree, we don't always get along, but we are always there for each other. Alex is right, we live here for free becuase the price of defending your friends and family is already a terrible cost. So please- I'll accept that for some (if not most) it's just a game. But I want you to realize that for some (if not most) of us, it's not.

Aries Acheron The Valour	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:17:00 - [91] Originally by: Eiidmac Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? The reason it matters who wins is because individuals have personal pride. No one likes to lose. Even if you are a good sport and lose with grace; you still wished you won. Its likes children who play little league sports. People keep score because of pride. Originally by: Dashhammer II I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob? CCP admitted that one of its staff gave them a Titan and some T2 BPO. I believe that not all the items were taken back from them, so they profited from there cheating. CCP should have banned all the accounts of each CEO in the BOB alliance to send a stronger message. Wrong. They never got a Titan. That's a complete Lie. what BoB did get from the actions of one Dev, ONE... was a Sabre BPO (okay), and a couple of crappy T2 ammo prints. Now, I am against the Coalition. Not for particular love of BoB, but rather indifference to them. Rather, the Coalition harbors the 'real' people who've been cheating and doing borderline exploits for ages. Red Alliance, the infamous Complex Mafia, and Goonswarm, the 'let's make fun of dead eve players' and 'Our goal is to grief our enemies into quitting' alliance. I think many others thing the same way, particularly LV's bloc. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:23:00 - [92] Originally by: Helen Originally by: scabbsssjr Almost two months ago and what has changed? The coalition lost a MS (IAC), a titan, countless BS, 40-50 dreads in one fight, another MS (RA), and possibly a third MS if you count stk as coalition. Quote: I'd prefer it if you used STK-S rather than stk also no we aren't in a coalition but that could change if you keep typing my corp ticker wrong. I always forget the S on it. When I see stk I think of halo 2. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Kenneys RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:24:00 - [93] Simple really.. BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something. It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm. So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time.
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:49:00 - [94] Originally by: Kenneys Simple really.. BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something. It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm. So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time. That sounds like a George Bush thing to say. "Country X *could* have attacked us so we attacked them first!" I would make a case that they had no intentions of attacking the north but I fear it would be too similiar to why Iraq had no intention of attacking the US. If BOB plans on conquering eve then they are seriously taking thier time doing it.
Stanis Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:54:00 - [95] This is a video game. You have 3 powerfull blocks. 2 band together to attack the third. It HAD to happen. Whater you fight on my side bcs you hate BoB or bcs you love me is not important. When you have superpowers anywhere, and especialy in a game this kind of scenario is bound to happen. And that's all it is, 3 superpowers fighting for dominance. Everything else is propaganda.
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.04.01 03:03:00 - [96] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Kenneys Simple really.. BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something. It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm. So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time. That sounds like a George Bush thing to say. "Country X *could* have attacked us so we attacked them first!" I would make a case that they had no intentions of attacking the north but I fear it would be too similiar to why Iraq had no intention of attacking the US. If BOB plans on conquering eve then they are seriously taking thier time doing it. I hate to break it to you, but BoB actually attacked first in this war, engaging the Redswarm Federation in defense of LV. The North decided that BoB was going to attack them eventually anyways and joined with RSF to try to take out BoB first. Nobody seriously contests the fact that BoB will keep attacking people until it either dies or runs out of targets. It's not some kind of sinister evil plot by BoB to conquer EvE, it's just the fact that BoB likes to pvp against enemy alliances, and they will keep doing so in order to have fun. People's motivations in a game like this are always varied and complicated, but I find it quite easy to see why each side is fighting this war, and none of them are bad people for it (Expect for the one Dev who made the very poor decision). I honestly find it hard to believe that your line of questioning in this thread is sincere. You seem to simply be belittling the motivations of the other side in an attempt to break their resolve. If I was in in BoB, I'd want to fight this war. If I was in another alliance with significant territorial ambitions, I'd want to join the coalition. If I was in an alliance who's game goals do not include fully independent territorial control (which is perfectly legitimate), then I would want to pick a side and help them in order to rent space afterwards. It's pretty easy to explain this war if you put yourself in the shoes of the people involved. Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.04.01 04:36:00 - [97] Originally by: Raivi People's motivations in a game like this are always varied and complicated, but I find it quite easy to see why each side is fighting this war, and none of them are bad people for it (Expect for the one Dev who made the very poor decision). I honestly find it hard to believe that your line of questioning in this thread is sincere. Thank you, Raivi, for providing the closest thing this thread has to a voice of reason.
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate	Posted - 2007.04.01 04:43:00 - [98] Originally by: Breisies Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak agreed Best post ever considering I watched RA exploiting complexes for months. Then again, I suppose for some cheating is only bad if someone on the other side does it. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 04:48:00 - [99] Originally by: Raivi You seem to simply be belittling the motivations of the other side in an attempt to break their resolve. If I was in in BoB, I'd want to fight this war. If I was in another alliance with significant territorial ambitions, I'd want to join the coalition. If I was in an alliance who's game goals do not include fully independent territorial control (which is perfectly legitimate), then I would want to pick a side and help them in order to rent space afterwards. It's pretty easy to explain this war if you put yourself in the shoes of the people involved. I hope I don't sound like I am belittling anyone. Please believe it is not my intention. I also have no intention of trying to 'Break the resolve' of the coalition. If thats even possible. I've posed this question becuase I've recently gotten the impression that (much like what people have been saying in this thread) there is no reason for the war. It appears, both here in the forums as well as in game, that the majority of the coalition is fighting 'just for the fun of it'. The reasoning that you gave however, is a bit of a fresh perspective. Territorial ambitions and oppertunistic corperations, these explanations denote greed. It is a possibility that is well with in the scope of what has happened. Perhaps the problem that SOME D2 allies have had is not so much the expansionistic habits of BOB but rather the diplomatic ties it has (or had) with alliances that the coalition wanted to conquer. Namely LV. You yourself even said 'Bob attacked us while we were all attacking LV, how dare they.' These personalities with in the coalition, whomever they may be, are probably sick of BOB presence simply becuase they limit expansion by protecting thier allies. This would imply that the coalition is not just 'pewpewing for the fun of it'. This would imply deep diplomatic tensions. Am I way off base here? Please correct me if you have information that runs counter to this.
Kingdoc Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.04.01 04:49:00 - [100] Two quick points: One, these are my veiws and mine alone, not my corps nor anybody elseÆs. Two, everything that follows is moot because the only true answers are on the battlefield. I know that statement will come back to haunt me. Ok, soà A dev may have helped BoB in the past acquire one or more objects in game that helped BoB. Big deal, if you feel that strongly about it then go protest in front of a casino or anywhere else the house has an advantage. Life isnÆt fare, get used to it. Also, from what I gather that dev has been dealt with internally at CCP. I also understand that some or all of the ill gotten booty has been removed from BoB. So its over, let it go. How would you like it if you screwed up at work and someone threw it in your face every day for months? ôBut so-and-so in BoB said they were going to take over eve!!ö yeaà so? IsnÆt that the point of a game? To win? If D2 or AAA or IAC or the Goons thought they could take over all of 0.0 do you think they wouldnÆt try? Do you really believe if BoB is destroyed that the coalition will give every noob with a mining laser and a dream a shot at an 0.0 belt? Gorrilabiscuts! They would defend there space just as aggressively as BoB is now from attackers in any form. If BoB were to fall the coalition will go right back to fighting there old wars and every BoB member in empire will laugh themselves silly with chants of ôsee! I told you so!ö so in a way even if BoB looses they win anyway. In a more abstract way the more the collation fights they more they prove BoB right. (I could say ôyouÆre already dead but donÆt know it yetö but that would make ma a fanboi right?) ôBut BoB is making other players do there work. There making other players there pets/slaves and were fighting to free them!!ö what if they donÆt want to be free? Were you too busy saddling up your high horse to think of that? When my corp was ready to venture into 0.0 space we had many conversations with many 0.0 corps/alliances. The only one that did not ask us to die defending there space was BoB. While others demanded that we patrol/gatecamp/ect and risk our butts to defend there space BoB made a business offer that was straightforward and simple. X ISK per week for X rights. We took it and it turned out to be beneficial on both ends. It is my understanding the most if not all corps that rent from BoB have the same deal. On that note do you relay expect me to believe that the major southern and northern alliances offer mining and ratting rights, use of stations and the right to put up POSÆs at no cost ( in time or ISK or combat) to the asking corp? If you do then hell! Sign me up! You hypocrites have just as many slaves/pets as BoB does. DonÆt fool yourselves with your holier than thou rhetoric. ôBut I shot at BoB because the game is PvP based and I like to shoot things!!ö wellà o.k. then. No argument from me there. BoB gave me and my corp a fair chance in 0.0. They said ôhere, for you rent you can hang out here and do what you want. Just donÆt medal in our affairs and treat it like any other 0.0 space, cover your own butt. And we did. For that fair shake they gave us I give them a world of respect and thanks. From what I can see the for all the collations pandering and saber rattling they have A: taken no space from BoB (or FIX or any other pet/slave for that matter. You guys canÆt even beat BoBs ôpetsö?) B: thrown a major force into a battle just to have it beaten down. A lost carrier/dred is still a big loss no matter how fast you can recoup it. C: made more people dislike them with there blunt hatred in COAD. ( 60 or so may be posting but hundreds of players are reading) and D: spun there wheels and gone nowhere even when they did have the chance due to poor command. * the following may be out of line, mods feel free to snip* I see the coalition kinda like the Americans ôliberatingö (blowing up) the Iraqis (pets/slaves) and ôsecuring (sovrenty)ö there oilfields (10/10 plexÆs). I canÆt believe I took the time to write all this à I feel dirty, IÆm going to shower. ================================== Wars of aggression are popular nowadays with those nations convinced that only victory and conquest could improve their material well-being. ~Ludwig von Mises

Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 04:55:00 - [101] Alright alright, lets calm down here kingdoc. We were being all civil and then ya like freaked out at the end there. Lets take it down a notch. Drop the name calling.
Kingdoc Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:03:00 - [102] Originally by: Dashhammer II Alright alright, lets calm down here kingdoc. We were being all civil and then ya like freaked out at the end there. Lets take it down a notch. Drop the name calling. The feel free to snip part? or am I to sleepy to understand scarcasam (or spelling) ================================== Wars of aggression are popular nowadays with those nations convinced that only victory and conquest could improve their material well-being. ~Ludwig von Mises
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:45:00 - [103] Edited by: Raivi on 01/04/2007 05:41:55 Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Raivi You seem to simply be belittling the motivations of the other side in an attempt to break their resolve. If I was in in BoB, I'd want to fight this war. If I was in another alliance with significant territorial ambitions, I'd want to join the coalition. If I was in an alliance who's game goals do not include fully independent territorial control (which is perfectly legitimate), then I would want to pick a side and help them in order to rent space afterwards. It's pretty easy to explain this war if you put yourself in the shoes of the people involved. I hope I don't sound like I am belittling anyone. Please believe it is not my intention. I also have no intention of trying to 'Break the resolve' of the coalition. If thats even possible. I've posed this question becuase I've recently gotten the impression that (much like what people have been saying in this thread) there is no reason for the war. It appears, both here in the forums as well as in game, that the majority of the coalition is fighting 'just for the fun of it'. The reasoning that you gave however, is a bit of a fresh perspective. Territorial ambitions and oppertunistic corperations, these explanations denote greed. It is a possibility that is well with in the scope of what has happened. Perhaps the problem that SOME D2 allies have had is not so much the expansionistic habits of BOB but rather the diplomatic ties it has (or had) with alliances that the coalition wanted to conquer. Namely LV. You yourself even said 'Bob attacked us while we were all attacking LV, how dare they.' These personalities with in the coalition, whomever they may be, are probably sick of BOB presence simply becuase they limit expansion by protecting thier allies. This would imply that the coalition is not just 'pewpewing for the fun of it'. This would imply deep diplomatic tensions. Am I way off base here? Please correct me if you have information that runs counter to this. One thing to keep in mind is that political activities in EvE will always be very different from real world politics because EvE is a game in which little can be actually lost and people's lives cannot be lost or ruined. Much of the activities in this game can be accurately described as "pew pew for the fun of it", as that is how people gain enjoyment from the game. People who simply enjoy pvp for fun tend to end up in pirate groups or small scale pvp operations, ranging from a few friends pvping together to larger and more powerful pvp groups like 0utbreak. These groups do not enjoy POS wars, territory control, or long boring gatecamps, they gain their enjoyment from pvp for it's own sake and testing themselves against opponents in small roaming fleets. Other groups gain their enjoyment from primarily industrial and financial pursuits. They enjoy the economic side of the game primarily and prefer not to fight themselves. Some people in this group stay in empire, while others move to 0.0, usually by either joining an alliance that has pvp based corps and industrial corps, or by working alongside a more PVP oriented territory holding alliance through various forms of rental or other agreements. This brings us to people who enjoy taking advantage of the specific opportunities that 0.0 has to offer for territory control, outpost building and large scale alliance warfare. These groups are often referred to as "playing to win". They like using every opportunity they can to defeat opponents on multiple levels, through tactical pvp, strategic resource management, industrial power and infrastructure, diplomacy, and metagaming (Using unusual tactics that have not been officially labeled exploits, spying, infiltration, propaganda, all of these are perfectly valid ways to play the game. There is nothing wrong with using the game rules that we've been given and using it to your advantage, something that many successful groups inculding BoB and RA participate in). Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:45:00 - [104] (Continuing my post because I ran out of space) Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum
TornSoul BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:53:00 - [105] Originally by: En'no Gyoja It's all a matter of history coming back to nip BoB in the butt. To me the reasons for attacking BoB are the same that we're used by BoB when they attacked and conquered FA in Fountain. We asked ourselves the same questions then: why the hate? Looking back upon those days, it was a matter of FA growing too big for it's own shoes, and a certain amount of jealousy from the rest of the universe for FA's economic powers. Now, BoB is facing the same situation imo, though things might be different in detail. Yup - It's really that simple. Anyone (doesnt matter who) growing to "super-power" status will (eventually) get targeted. BIG Lottery [u
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:06:00 - [106] Originally by: Dashhammer II The reasoning that you gave however, is a bit of a fresh perspective. Territorial ambitions and oppertunistic corperations, these explanations denote greed. It is a possibility that is well with in the scope of what has happened. Perhaps the problem that SOME D2 allies have had is not so much the expansionistic habits of BOB but rather the diplomatic ties it has (or had) with alliances that the coalition wanted to conquer. Namely LV. You yourself even said 'Bob attacked us while we were all attacking LV, how dare they.' I just want to point out two more things. First, I believe that greed is a hard concept to apply to a game world such as this one, where traditional morality does not really apply. In a world where nothing is really lost when you hurt someone else for your own gain, people who would normally give everything they can to the poor will often do what it takes to get ahead at the expense of others. With nothing significant to lose, the world of EvE offers a much purer vision of true capitalism that the real world can ever actually contain. Secondly, BoB and LV were closer to enemies then friends before this recent war started. BoB was not acting in defense of it's allies, as LV was very very far from being an ally. Band of Brothers decided that the Redswarm Federation was the most challenging target for them to fight. And since fighting challenging alliances is how they enjoy this game, they decided to go to war. I assume that they decided to act in defense of LV because it was the safest option from their perspective. It would allow them to gain the aid of a strong alliance in LV in what I'm sure they hoped would be one of their biggest wars yet. The possibility of the North joining in would not have escaped them either, so coming to the aid of a former enemy and gaining an ally would be helpful in the most dangerous potential scenario. Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum
Father Weebles North Face Force	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:15:00 - [107] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak how bout the northern and southern coalition outnumbering bob + allies by 3:1...so lemme ask you, who's more of a coward? "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:20:00 - [108] everyone loves a good dose of pvp and what better dose than a large scale war? we play this game for the freinds we play this game for the drama we play this game for the fights we play this game for the rush
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Father Weebles how bout the northern and southern coalition outnumbering bob + allies by 3:1...so lemme ask you, who's more of a coward? Alts talking about cowardice. Atleast the coalition posts with their mains
Mned Graydroggen Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.01 09:38:00 - [110] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Kenneys Simple really.. BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something. It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm. So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time. That sounds like a George Bush thing to say. "Country X *could* have attacked us so we attacked them first!" I would make a case that they had no intentions of attacking the north but I fear it would be too similiar to why Iraq had no intention of attacking the US. If BOB plans on conquering eve then they are seriously taking thier time doing it. Since you quote rl. The pre-emptive strike was not concived by GWB. It's a most natural thing. Wilderbeast kill lions pups when given the oppertunity since if they are allowed to grow up they will pose a serious thread to the Wilderbeast community. I my self this morning killed a few ant scouts ( sry bout that little brothers ) because if they where to report to their hive that I didnt clean my sink, the whole horde would come. Anyway rl aside. Kudos to CCP for creating a game that allows for so much depth in player interaction to evolve. .

Kai Jyokoroi The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.01 09:42:00 - [111] B-because... Eve is a spaceship game, and just maybe, people want to shoot each other with spaceships in said spaceship game? WTS to OP: Sense of perspective _____________ WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. RESISTANCE IS VOLTAGE OVER CURRENT.
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.04.01 10:26:00 - [112] Originally by: Dashhammer II Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is like the 4th time in 4 years and it didn't work the last 3 times. If the coalition is defeated, will D2 be back in a year with a new name? The North: Wow, did you see BoB smash ASCN? And the Goons? And TRUST? And G? And FIX? Et cetera, et cetera. Looks like they're going around attacking every big alliance for fun... Hrm! OHGOD: Yeah... BoB said that we'd get smashed if we ever tried to build up in 0.0 again [absent-mindedly fiddles with docking rights]. Also, what the North said. IAC: And we helped put the nail in the coffin of ISS, whom BoB may or may not have had close ties with. Also, what the North said. RA: самая свежая информация, срочные новости, видео, аудио! Also, what the North said. Angry Dissidents: They sure do get on my nerves. Also, what the North said. It's not a question of what you hope to gain, it's a question of what you hope not to lose. If you go around beating up people one by one, eventually they wise up and band together. Small wonder. As much as you may love me, your signature must pertain to your in-game persona, and thus I must remove it. -Conuion Meow
Tiger'ess	Posted - 2007.04.01 10:55:00 - [113] Edited by: Tiger''ess on 01/04/2007 10:54:30 Originally by: Breisies Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak agreed RAT are worse than BoB by far, RAT exploit bugged npc spawns on a mass scale for trillions of isk, you all should have been banned long ago. The cheek to say you fight BoB for these reasons. Change BoB to RAT above and it fits you perfectly. ------------------------------------------------ Originally by Flinx Evenstar no BOB POS is safe, have a nice day We only lost 50 capital ships to kill a pos, no bob pos is safe!!
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 11:34:00 - [114] Originally by: Dashhammer II Does the coalition REALLY expect thousands upon thousands of ACTIVE players to suddenly recieve some glorious defeat which convinces them that they have to go and live in empire? As long as they disband their alliances I will allow them back into empire. SKUNK
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:31:00 - [115] Originally by: David H'Levi The North: Wow, did you see BoB smash ASCN? And the Goons? And TRUST? And G? And FIX? Et cetera, et cetera. Looks like they're going around attacking every big alliance for fun... Hrm! This appears to be a common misconception. The idea that Bob is running around bullying people is definately an ancient one and Bob itself seems to do nothing to dispell this idea. The thing is however that it simply isn't true. I have seen bob exercise a great deal of patience with those that assualt them, often leaving them alone right up untill they are POS spammed. ASCN: I hate to say it but BOB was never too thrilled that ASCN destroyed thier allies 'Tribal Souls' but still, nearly a year after that they began to have border disagreements with ASCN. ASCN's reasoning was (for the most part) that this was a fighting game and what is EVE with out pewpew? ASCN attack groups swarmed into BOBspace for a good while and BOB humored this. There was a tongue in cheek attitude to the whole thing and various rules were observed during the war itself. ASCN took the first station in TPAR and up untill that point BOB hadn't even applied much pressure on them. After repulsing ASCN, they stopped. It wasn't untill the insults and accusations and slander began that BOB's attitude changed. Cyvok had difficulty controlling his forum warriors and the war turned from friendly to downright vicious very quickly. Still ASCN did not apologize for the things that were said or the things that were done. They insisted that BOB learn it's place and begin treating them as the stronger alliance. Find the moment when BOB declared it would not accept an ASCN surrender and you will know the moment in which the war REALLY started. G Alliance: Border disputes were a common occurance with G Alliance becuase of thier habit of raiding nieghbors which were not napped for 'Pewpew'. As a former member of Blackguard Brigade, I can recount many instances when we attacked alliances that we were not at war with for 'the fun of it'. It wasn't a single raid on BOBspace which started this war, it was several. That on top of the fountain dispute, pushed G alliance to invade bobspace. Thats right, I said INVADE. I know that people enjoy seeing bob as the agressor but let us not forget that I was there. I remember when the station in C9n was called the 'G/iron/Razor spearhead'. I aslo remember when G alliance dragged both Tribal Souls and ASCN into the war against them simply becuase thier esotaria contingent was stationed too far away from BOBspace and they wanted to get some 'pewpew' fun in as well. Fix: Fix has always been the absolute best of friends with bob. They currently live with BOB. In fact, BOB was defending FIX on such a regular basis that FIX eventually ceded the BOB and became a caretaker alliance. Don't believe me? Go attack FIX right now, see what happens. Goons: Don't get me started.
Nytemaster Mega-Deth Phoenix Supremacy	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:43:00 - [116] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target. You defend Bob because You are weak I have been on opposite sides of the fence to Cpt Pugwash many times, but for these reasons alone I would gladly fight along side.
JaeWoo Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:35:00 - [117] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Sir Howard Every time I go through delve or period basis I see the same faces. Fix, Exertu Mortis, MC, Fallen-souls. These are my friends. These are my friends and they live here with us in peace becuase of BOB. I am not involved in the war and am pretty much a noob (1 month), but this would be my personal reason to fight against you. Less Blue == More Pew Pew. The thought of all that space being shared nicely.... Although I don't think BoB is serious about wanting to take over all of 0.0 space (and I doubt they could if they did want to), I could never side with an alliance that had that attitude. Who wants to play a game that is that 1 sided? Anyway, as has been stated already. The biggest target in the game will always be under attack. That should really be the answer to your question. You want to have the lion's share? The hyena's are gonna do their best to take it from you.
JaeWoo Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:35:00 - [118] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: Sir Howard Every time I go through delve or period basis I see the same faces. Fix, Exertu Mortis, MC, Fallen-souls. These are my friends. These are my friends and they live here with us in peace becuase of BOB. I am not involved in the war and am pretty much a noob (1 month), but this would be my personal reason to fight against you. Less Blue == More Pew Pew. The thought of all that space being shared nicely.... Although I don't think BoB is serious about wanting to take over all of 0.0 space (and I doubt they could if they did want to), I could never side with an alliance that had that attitude. Who wants to play a game that is that 1 sided? Anyway, as has been stated already. The biggest target in the game will always be under attack. That should really be the answer to your question. You want to have the lion's share? The hyena's are gonna do their best to take it from you.
JediLover Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.01 15:27:00 - [119] BOB is closest thing to satan in this game, and even im not planning to get in to heaven myself, im a religious man.
Dorah Hawkwing Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.01 15:39:00 - [120] Raivi has it perfectly right. My own opinion, not my alliance's: LV had been in war against the ragoon block long time before BoB's declaration against them. During that time, BoB was still set to red. (also, if we hadn't been at war allready, we might have been free to engage BoB together with ASCN when ASCN was attacked. ASCN was a blue border for us. But history changes things.

Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.01 15:45:00 - [121] Originally by: JaeWoo Anyway, as has been stated already. The biggest target in the game will always be under attack. That should really be the answer to your question. You want to have the lion's share? The hyena's are gonna do their best to take it from you. I guess that is quite true. A bit sad, but quite true. Well, if it's simple conflict the coalition is after then I guess it will please them to know that we are going to fight like lions.
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.01 16:11:00 - [122] Yup exactly its been done every year lol cant break tradition now can we But anyway its one of those things where everyone is in a state of cold war and now ppl have NAP'd up to a point where you just have super powers bashing against each other. Bound to happen and who cares everyone loves the PVP :D and im sure if BoB dies it will reform as something different sometime down the track. -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Widebrant GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.01 19:58:00 - [123] WHY WE FIGHT: -- Da spinnaz be spinning. Bok bok.
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.15 07:40:00 - [124] So you feel a diplomatic option is impossible?
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.15 08:05:00 - [125] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 15/04/2007 08:02:42 Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: David H'Levi The North: Wow, did you see BoB smash ASCN? And the Goons? And TRUST? And G? And FIX? Et cetera, et cetera. Looks like they're going around attacking every big alliance for fun... Hrm! This appears to be a common misconception. The idea that Bob is running around bullying people is definately an ancient one and Bob itself seems to do nothing to dispell this idea. The thing is however that it simply isn't true. I have seen bob exercise a great deal of patience with those that assualt them, often leaving them alone right up untill they are POS spammed. ASCN: I hate to say it but BOB was never too thrilled that ASCN destroyed thier allies 'Tribal Souls' but still, nearly a year after that they began to have border disagreements with ASCN. ASCN's reasoning was (for the most part) that this was a fighting game and what is EVE with out pewpew? ASCN attack groups swarmed into BOBspace for a good while and BOB humored this. There was a tongue in cheek attitude to the whole thing and various rules were observed during the war itself. ASCN took the first station in TPAR and up untill that point BOB hadn't even applied much pressure on them. After repulsing ASCN, they stopped. It wasn't untill the insults and accusations and slander began that BOB's attitude changed. Cyvok had difficulty controlling his forum warriors and the war turned from friendly to downright vicious very quickly. Still ASCN did not apologize for the things that were said or the things that were done. They insisted that BOB learn it's place and begin treating them as the stronger alliance. Find the moment when BOB declared it would not accept an ASCN surrender and you will know the moment in which the war REALLY started. G Alliance: Border disputes were a common occurance with G Alliance becuase of thier habit of raiding nieghbors which were not napped for 'Pewpew'. As a former member of Blackguard Brigade, I can recount many instances when we attacked alliances that we were not at war with for 'the fun of it'. It wasn't a single raid on BOBspace which started this war, it was several. That on top of the fountain dispute, pushed G alliance to invade bobspace. Thats right, I said INVADE. I know that people enjoy seeing bob as the agressor but let us not forget that I was there. I remember when the station in C9n was called the 'G/iron/Razor spearhead'. I aslo remember when G alliance dragged both Tribal Souls and ASCN into the war against them simply becuase thier esotaria contingent was stationed too far away from BOBspace and they wanted to get some 'pewpew' fun in as well. Fix: Fix has always been the absolute best of friends with bob. They currently live with BOB. In fact, BOB was defending FIX on such a regular basis that FIX eventually ceded the BOB and became a caretaker alliance. Don't believe me? Go attack FIX right now, see what happens. Goons: Don't get me started. It's not a common misconception, it's the truth Your ideas about the BoB vs ASCN war somehow not being planned by BoB are frankly ludicrous. ASCN taking TPAR did not somehow anger BoB and change their goal, they were out to eradicate ASCN from the start, hence why BoB talked a lot about how it was going months ahead of schedule... The friendly fighting between them was BoB's idea and initiative, sending fleets into ASCN space and racking up embarassingly large numbers of kills, you can't seriously think CYVOK wouldn't have jumped at a chance for a blue with BoB http://eve.klaki.net/
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.04.15 08:37:00 - [126] I don't understand this thread. BoB wanted to take on either RA/Goons and D2/Iron. They got both. They expected D2 to join in, everyone did, and they did. They had been cowards, if they hadn't. They had been next, if they hadn't. Now both sides can test their warmongery at highest level. All others? We just want some fraps.
Helforian State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.15 08:58:00 - [127] Edited by: Helforian on 15/04/2007 08:55:19 Originally by: Dashhammer II ASCN: I hate to say it but BOB was never too thrilled that ASCN destroyed thier allies 'Tribal Souls' but still, nearly a year after that they began to have border disagreements with ASCN. ASCN's reasoning was (for the most part) that this was a fighting game and what is EVE with out pewpew? ASCN attack groups swarmed into BOBspace for a good while and BOB humored this. There was a tongue in cheek attitude to the whole thing and various rules were observed during the war itself. ASCN took the first station in TPAR and up untill that point BOB hadn't even applied much pressure on them. After repulsing ASCN, they stopped. It wasn't untill the insults and accusations and slander began that BOB's attitude changed. Cyvok had difficulty controlling his forum warriors and the war turned from friendly to downright vicious very quickly. Still ASCN did not apologize for the things that were said or the things that were done. They insisted that BOB learn it's place and begin treating them as the stronger alliance. Find the moment when BOB declared it would not accept an ASCN surrender and you will know the moment in which the war REALLY started. You have an extremely incorrect view on the entire ASCN/BoB war and how it began. You are also wrong about BoB being angry about ASCN going after Tribal Souls. If they were so upset they wouldn't have said, "If you don't remove them, we will." In addition, ASCN never insisted that BoB do anything.
Lawrences Dragon Amarr Zantiu Research Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.15 09:09:00 - [128] I like kittens
William DeMeo Gallente Serial Killers Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.15 09:24:00 - [129] Some people don't get it, POST WITH AN ALT. Like I am. Edit: Wrong char Yarr
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.15 09:29:00 - [130] Originally by: Helforian Edited by: Helforian on 15/04/2007 08:55:19 Originally by: Dashhammer II ASCN: ... G Alliance: ... You have an extremely incorrect view on the entire ASCN/BoB war and how it began. You are also wrong about BoB being angry about ASCN going after Tribal Souls. If they were so upset they wouldn't have said, "If you don't remove them, we will." In addition, ASCN never insisted that BoB do anything. @ OP: While you¦re at it, scratch the whole G part too. It¦s just nonsense.

Glassback M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.04.15 09:38:00 - [131] Originally by: geewiz Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 I mean honestly- ask yourselves... What is this really all about? Paying CCP ú10 a month to shoot ships in a space game? Thats what it is about for me don't know about anyone else gee Quoted for "The most sensible forum post I've read". G. I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:00:00 - [132] Why am I fighting BoB? Simple answer, a personal vendetta against SirMolle. The bugger has ****ed of a lot of people, and now it's come to bite his ass.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:12:00 - [133] Edited by: Habraka on 15/04/2007 10:11:07 Originally by: Dashhammer II Fix: Fix has always been the absolute best of friends with bob. They currently live with BOB. In fact, BOB was defending FIX on such a regular basis that FIX eventually ceded the BOB and became a caretaker alliance. Don't believe me? Go attack FIX right now, see what happens. Well, we have been shooting FIX since late December, a good 4 months now, and BoB only come down to Querious when a station is under attack. FIX are getting slaughtered on a daily basis, they haven't formed a real fleet (A FIX fleet, not a McBoB fleet with some FIX frigate support) in months. We see the same 20 out of 1000 people fighting, while the rest either gank some miners up north with MC, stay docked in ED- or don't log on at all. And if BoB are so good at protecting FIX, why does FIX have to hire KIA Alliance out of their own pockets to get some protection in empire space? Surely they can use those billions of isk they pay KIA to replace the numerous Capital Ships they lost in the last months? Edit: Oh btw, we also seem to gank a lot of FIX ratters, usually in T2/officer/faction fitted bs's and even faction bs's, while the FIX that actively fight us have to fit T1 modules due to attrition. Only a few of them are fighting, while the rest are carebearing. Almost all their good pvp'ers and capital pilots have left for Outbreak, MC and BoB.
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:20:00 - [134] Alright guys, think about what you all just said becuase if I take your collective comments and add them all up into one, I get... Bob attacked G to be mean. Bob attacked ASCN becuase they wanted ASCN space. Bob attacked RA/goon becuase they were bored. Bob attacked D2/Iron becuase, well... they didn't attacked them, but they were just days away from it. Guys, I'm sorry, but even if I were to ignore the fact that I was a part of most these wars, I would still find it hard to believe that BOB just randomly attacks people for no reason.
Fuglife STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:30:00 - [135] For good fights? for fun? Cos they ****ed in everyones cornflakes? I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
Dashhammer II Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:34:00 - [136] Can you say that from a position of certainty? Thats my entire question right there.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:39:00 - [137] Originally by: Dashhammer II Can you say that from a position of certainty? Thats my entire question right there. Yes, very certain. Hell, ask a BoB guy and they'll most likely confirm it. Not something they are really modest or evasive about most of the time.
Elvin Brando	Posted - 2007.04.15 10:48:00 - [138] Why is it so hard to believe that a bunch of pvp-loving badasses who have been fighting around the EvE universe for 4 years+ would kill people just to kill people? Dont get illusions about what BoB are. They are the meanest dog in the pound and now some poodels have decide to try to fight them...and look at all the fluff in the air atm. What is weird is that the coallition somehow seems to think that a grand war with pew pew, epeenwaving and bloody conquest isnt exactly what the bobbits want. They arent the bully you just have to give a bloody nose and he runs home to mama. They are the F****** mongols with Molle as Ghengis Khan. If you really want the bobbits to give up and leave, then all go mine veldspar in empire. Then they will properly finally go to play POTBS.
Howling Coyote Schweine im Weltall	Posted - 2007.04.15 11:06:00 - [139] This war is cheaters vs. plexfarmers vs. ISK-bayers vs. liars vs. forum*****s vs. .... Whoever wins EVE looses.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.04.15 15:24:00 - [140] This is how I see it: ASCN was under attack by G, BOB decided they did not want G that close to them on two fronts, so BOB attacked G space to draw G back. BOB attacked ASCN because the titan, the showboating, and BOB wanted to conqueror eve so ASCN would be a nice start. BOB did a small 2 corp road trip up north after some care bearing to get ready for an assault on the north, that was canceled because LV needed help. Thats how they ended up shooting RAGOON (would have happened anyway because they napped D2). This just my understanding peaced together from what I hear ingame and a bit from these boards. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.

doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.15 17:52:00 - [141] To be frank, who the hell needs a reason to shoot stuff? We've been shooting at D2 & Co since before they were D2, do we really need a reason other than 'because we can?' Gives both sides something to do
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.15 18:13:00 - [142] Originally by: Howling Coyote This war is cheaters vs. plexfarmers vs. ISK-bayers vs. liars vs. forum*****s vs. .... Whoever wins EVE looses. A toast to everyone dying ! http://eve.klaki.net/
Blitzkrieg Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.15 18:26:00 - [143] Originally by: Dashhammer II Originally by: David H'Levi The North: Wow, did you see BoB smash ASCN? And the Goons? And TRUST? And G? And FIX? Et cetera, et cetera. Looks like they're going around attacking every big alliance for fun... Hrm! This appears to be a common misconception. The idea that Bob is running around bullying people is definately an ancient one and Bob itself seems to do nothing to dispell this idea. The thing is however that it simply isn't true. I have seen bob exercise a great deal of patience with those that assualt them, often leaving them alone right up untill they are POS spammed. ASCN: I hate to say it but BOB was never too thrilled that ASCN destroyed thier allies 'Tribal Souls' but still, nearly a year after that they began to have border disagreements with ASCN. ASCN's reasoning was (for the most part) that this was a fighting game and what is EVE with out pewpew? ASCN attack groups swarmed into BOBspace for a good while and BOB humored this. There was a tongue in cheek attitude to the whole thing and various rules were observed during the war itself. ASCN took the first station in TPAR and up untill that point BOB hadn't even applied much pressure on them. After repulsing ASCN, they stopped. It wasn't untill the insults and accusations and slander began that BOB's attitude changed. Cyvok had difficulty controlling his forum warriors and the war turned from friendly to downright vicious very quickly. Still ASCN did not apologize for the things that were said or the things that were done. They insisted that BOB learn it's place and begin treating them as the stronger alliance. Find the moment when BOB declared it would not accept an ASCN surrender and you will know the moment in which the war REALLY started. ...And you are the one talking about misconception? You must try harder and next time gather better intel and facts before posting
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.15 18:37:00 - [144] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash You defend Bob because You are weak t'is true on a sidenote fighting fix is fun
Tobruk Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.15 23:11:00 - [145] I fight becuase i pay money every month to do so. I choose to fight with the coalition becuase I don't like cheaters. simple as that ---------------------------------------------- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -HornFrog ([email protected])
Ramireza Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.16 01:10:00 - [146] Edited by: Ramireza on 16/04/2007 01:07:59 Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They lie - We all do this from time to time Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They cheat Wrong. Originally by: Cpt Pugwash The used resources not available to other players Wrong. Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Not only BoB do this Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Now they smack the forums with alts Same as above Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They are arrogant beyond belief Maybe, yes. But thats typical for players that have success in a game. And now stop whining
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.16 01:14:00 - [147] umm..because it's an internet space ship shooty, shooty game? That's the real answer. The more convoluted answer is because BoB were/are swallowing up 0.0 and demanding tribute from all those living under their heel. Maybe you're satisfied with that. Others are not.
Errellion Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 01:23:00 - [148] Edited by: Errellion on 16/04/2007 01:20:09 Kids...it's a GAME. My god. BoB's stated goal in said GAME is that they want to dominate the entirety of 0.0...you're kidding yourself if you think they will stop. They don't number enough to take and hold the whole of it forever so they need friends...how they use said friends doesn't matter due to the fact they are out to to win the GAME and are going to complete the goal anyway they ca...I would...if you were in th position they are you would too. Fact of life Dash you're always good at inciting something somewhere for some reason but pity the fool who actually believes this is any different to a real world goal. ------------------------------------------ "I'm all for b r e a s t s" - John Cambell
Stanis Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.16 01:32:00 - [149] Edited by: Stanis on 16/04/2007 01:28:16 Originally by: Dracolich I don't understand this thread. BoB wanted to take on either RA/Goons and D2/Iron. They got both. They expected D2 to join in, everyone did, and they did. They had been cowards, if they hadn't. They had been next, if they hadn't. Now both sides can test their warmongery at highest level. All others? We just want some fraps. The best reply to the topic.
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 01:40:00 - [150] Originally by: Errellion "I'm all for b r e a s t s" - John Cambell I endorse the above sig. _____________________________________ Check out my poorly written blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com

sci0gon Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.04.16 04:40:00 - [151] Originally by: Ivan En'Vec We lost 40 dreads killing the baby titan do you have actual 100% undoubted proof to confirm that it was a titan? I've seen a lot of people spouting about how it was an actual titan that was distroyed yet when BOB showed their version of the proof that it was the wrong pos attacked, while the other pos gave birth to a mom. They started claiming that the pictures used were shoped, yet no actual proof showing that the pos distroyed was actually carrying a embryo of a titan Originally by: Nessa Aldeen Yes. Im sure BOB and the pet that you are are equally 'thrilled' you shot relogged dreads with blank screens. The only thing that is saving BOB atm is massive lag and CCP's servers that are preventing the Coalition from bringing its total combined weight. Be thrilled. From reading previous posts over powering BOB by shear numbers does have its advantages, but it was suggested a few times that you attack bob from multiple fronts which is finally starting to show Iron capturing that station system in querious IAC gaining a few systems south of their present space RAgoons pushing west from omist as for the complaints about lag, i would of thought you would be use to that by now so complaining about lag with the shear amount of players in that area of space is just well a little hypocritical when you should of been well aware of the lag issues when you joined in on this war. Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Father Weebles how bout the northern and southern coalition outnumbering bob + allies by 3:1...so lemme ask you, who's more of a coward? Alts talking about cowardice. Atleast the coalition posts with their mains Originally by: Ramireza Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They lie - We all do this from time to time Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Not only BoB do this Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Now they smack the forums with alts Same as above Originally by: Cpt Pugwash They are arrogant beyond belief Maybe, yes. But thats typical for players that have success in a game. you have my respect ramireza for posting that
Ramireza Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:41:00 - [152] Originally by: sci0gon you have my respect ramireza for posting that Thank you Mr. BoB alt
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:57:00 - [153] delve plexes respawn once a hour... everybody wants to exploit them too. joke aside... i think coalition is fighting because bob claims to be the best of the best.
sci0gon Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.04.16 13:34:00 - [154] Originally by: Ramireza Originally by: sci0gon you have my respect ramireza for posting that Thank you Mr. BoB alt lol i guess my request for valid proof that the coalation actually killed a titan makes you think that. I am mearly interested to see what is the reason that is making you guys so adimant about that pos holding a titan embryo which you distroyed
Veronique deEstelle Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:15:00 - [155] Just some remarks to this post. As usuall these are only my personal blabla.... And I have to add that I m not even involved in this war so my opinion is formed mostly from reading the forums. Originally by: Kingdoc Two quick points: One, these are my veiws and mine alone, not my corps nor anybody elseÆs. Two, everything that follows is moot because the only true answers are on the battlefield. I know that statement will come back to haunt me. Ok, soà A dev may have helped BoB in the past acquire one or more objects in game that helped BoB. Big deal, if you feel that strongly about it then go protest in front of a casino or anywhere else the house has an advantage. Life isnÆt fare, get used to it. Also, from what I gather that dev has been dealt with internally at CCP. I also understand that some or all of the ill gotten booty has been removed from BoB. So its over, let it go. How would you like it if you screwed up at work and someone threw it in your face every day for months? What me bothers is that BoB has obiously some special relationship with CCP or at least with some of their employments. Getting a kown Dev as leader of their capital fleet and using an alt-account of Kieron fairly free around indicates this relationship for me. The BPOs... a well, it is bad but they are removed (even if needed some pressure), the damage is done and at least this is due to let it go. And if you realy stand to: "Life isnt fair. Get over it." why did you post anyway? Originally by: Kingdoc If BoB were to fall the coalition will go right back to fighting there old wars and every BoB member in empire will laugh themselves silly with chants of ôsee! I told you so!ö Actually you dont need to to rely on some BoB member. The Coalition is telling the same. They claim to have only formed to fight BoB and will not form some monolithic powerblock afterwards and instead continue their old strifes. Originally by: Kingdoc * the following may be out of line, mods feel free to snip* I see the coalition kinda like the Americans ôliberatingö (blowing up) the Iraqis (pets/slaves) and ôsecuring (sovrenty)ö there oilfields (10/10 plex's) Funny how you compare... So you are telling that you choose some kind of ****** Hussain as landlord. But he was good to you and you can't understand why not everybody else think that he is a nice guy. I dont think anybody in this conflict can claim to have a clean record, but I do think some guys have more to hide than others.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:34:00 - [156] Originally by: Asylum Seaker Freedom? You think we fight bob for freedom? If I'm gunna get my balls blown off for a word.. my words gunna be poontang. Animal Mother is God.
Karai Kamasu Gallente The Collective of Ascended Beings Insane Asylum	Posted - 2007.04.16 22:26:00 - [157] Six pages of replies and only one person in one post has stated the one and only reason why BoB et al. is under such a vehement attack by so many people at the same time. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Paul Castrin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:17:00 - [158] I don't have time to read all the responses here so I will just give my thoughts on the OP's original question. In the end you have to ask yourself how you feel about the game and what not fighting BoB means. Do you want to see them in defacto control of the majority of free (i.e. non-empire) space? Can you stand on your own two feet or do you need that hand (with or without dagger) at your back propping you up? Are you willing to not take the easy way out and play nice with the 800# gorilla just to get your piece of the pie or can you face it and demand your share? The answers for me and others are: no, yes, and yes in that order. Can you say the same? And that’s why I’m against them. They represent all that is bad in power hungry organizations and governments. They lay claim to areas when in reality they do not hold them, very much like the old USSR and its satellite states. Simply put they are the Warsaw Pact and we are NATO (not the EVE alliance of that name the REAL one) during the cold war only this war got hot. We have our internal problems, we don’t do things as organized as we’d like but we are free. Meanwhile they rule over their flock with an iron fist. And they use that fist on even those that they would call ‘friend’ if they don’t tow the line for them. There are some that label the alliances that live 'under' BoB as pets (or whatever), I'll be honest that I have too on occasion. But you know how happy and willing to shake their hand I'd be if they just said "no this is OUR space not BoB's"? Very. Of course I’d still fight them but at least I’d respect them. Anyway, those that hate BoB and their allies will fight but those that understand that this is a bit more than just hate will stay on for the long run. And if you can get past the talking heads and the haters and see why people are fighting against BoB then you've taken the first step towards true freedom. I hope someday to see you there. Peace. p.s. apologies to any of my fellow Russian players who might have been offended by my candor, I only used the above examples to put things in a clear format. I meant no disrespect.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:27:00 - [159] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. There was a statement by molle, screenshots, and a video. Did I miss something? hilarious.
Don Temujin Mothers of EVE	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:37:00 - [160] [Disclaimer: what's belows is not a list of my own reasons to pick/not pick a side in this conflict. It is an attempt of a summary of what I see as the main motivations for people to engage in the war against BoB, regardless of whether these motivations root in truth, fracts, propaganda or misconceptions.] Pure unaltered Pew Pew: This is a PvP game, people who play it know this is what EVE is about, and the most basic form of PvP here is shooty-shooty. That's enough for many. Also, explosions are fun. Competition: For some, this is about the challenge, as pitting such monstrous forces against each other provides plenty of opportunities for challenging competitive play. Bandwagonery: For some, this is about winning, and they will just jump on the bandwagon they feel is the most likely to be attached to the winning locomotive (those are found on both sides of the conflict, but in view of all the other motivators listed below, I suspect is of lesser importance than what CAOD smack can lead to believe). Personal friendships/grudges: Along their travels and history through EVE, most players build relationships, good or bad with others, and since this is a game/sport, where nobody dies for settling a personal peeve on the battlefield, there is little prevention and every incentive to take that path. By the same token, some people simply side with their in-game pals, because they enjoy playing together, are willing to help, and have no conflicting agenda of their own. Territorial Concerns: It has been made clear by BoB for the longest time their ambition is to rule over all of 0.0, and they showed both the skill, resolve, and growth over time to give credibility to this ambition. It is no surprise that other territorial entities would take exception to this, and come to think BoB has gained such a weight that it must be stopped/reduced before it becomes more than just a potential threat to every territorial alliance in the game. A common threat (perceived as imminent) is enough for people to temporarily overcome their differences and form a coalition in order to resolve this. GoodÖ vs EbilÖ: BoB has gone out of its way to portray the arch-villain hegemon of EVE (both in and around the game), and they've done a nice enough job of it that many players are willing to consider BoB is New Eden's Ebil Incarnate. This has largely benefitted BoB, as looking like invincible villains endowed with the EVE equivalent of super-powers (h4x and CCP favoritism) certainly helps instill doubt and fear in their opponents. But BoB's excellent propaganda machine also drives to arms people who otherwise were content to stay out of alliance warfare, because those are worried about 'BoD' eventually ruining their game enjoyment, and they don't trust CCP anymore to police their game (whether fighting in game can make any difference remains to be seen, but for some, that's all they got to make a statement). There's a 'roleplay' element to it for many (on both sides), but also, much like it happens in sports, a growing resentment against opponents increasingly perceived as 'bad people' who are unworthy of sharing the playground and must therefore be wiped off the face of the game - another trend first started by BoB (against GoonFleet) that is now backfiring. Need for context: Also, some players don't enjoy pew-pew without context, and/or play by the same moral code they have in real life. Those carebears will only get involved in shooty-shooty if they feel confident they are not griefing anyone doing so. BoB provides a valid target (like pirates do), because because both their proclaimed agenda and attitude constitute a waiver to have a go at them with a clear conscience (not to say the Coalition members are angels, but BoB's very vocal 'kneel or perish' stance make things extremely straightforward). Mothers of EVE: We do it for the children. Some words of encouragment for EVE.

Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.04.17 02:20:00 - [161] I'm afraid we're not allowed to post some of the reasons. The mods seem to think by suppressing info people will forget. cought20cough ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:43:00 - [162] Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins? I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob? When it comes down to it, we can all pewpew anytime we want, where ever we are and we have countless nieghbors to invade. There is a definate undercurrent here. But I would rather believe it is for simple fun. I would like nothing more than to engage you all in an all out gankfest and have no hard feelings at the end of the day. Whatever the reason for this may be, we should really move it towards an atmosphere of friendly fun. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:47:00 - [163] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. There was a statement by molle, screenshots, and a video. Did I miss something? hilarious. Yes. Anyway :) ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.17 05:40:00 - [164] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 17/04/2007 03:56:45 Originally by: Randay Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 08:57:52 And we have bob, not really divulging what was destroyed. There was a statement by molle, screenshots, and a video. Did I miss something? hilarious. Yes. Anyway, if you still beleive what Sir said, go on :) screenshots + fraps = greater than anyones word.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.17 06:54:00 - [165] Locking this as it has run it's course and to avoid futher trolling. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website



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